• Israel is mindlessly copying over the corruption of the past.

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 29 00:29:11 2024
    title: Beware of false messiahs!
    source: Rabbi Nir Menussi
    link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtVS1DsHB5Q

    Someone wrote a reply to my earlier comment on this video about Ba'al
    Shem Tov, to which again was given below reply on the usual topics of
    the lies of the Rabbis ...

    Quote original comment:

    I also smell something faul in a book, found something faul although it
    wasn't that I smelled it, but I was shocked when I found it. Shocked. It
    wasn't in the Tanach. It wasn't the beautiful Torah either. It was
    the Shulchan Aruch, it was on paragraph 180 and 66 if I recall, called
    prozbul and heter iska.
    (...)


    Quote reaction:

    [someone]
    Listen up, I'm not going into an argument with a whole bunch of nonsense
    that I've got no time, patience reading, all I can tell you is, that
    the "whole torah" starting from 613 mentioned in the torah, till "the
    last law in the oral" " where all given to moshe who gave it over to
    yehoshua & so on throughout all the rabbis of the generation, if you've
    got a specific question about a certain halacha, that's what we're here,
    to " understand" the torah, but simply to ridicule, disregard our oral tradition, because "it smells foul to your nose" that doesn't disprove
    anything about our traditions, sorry.


    Reply to this again:

    Listen to yourself: You don't want to read the argument, and then you
    claim there was no argument. This is the behavior of Israel.

    Blind belief in tradition without argument, without even wanting to
    engage in any argument. Where do we know this from ? Rome. This is
    Roman culture. Everything was about the past. Justice was spoken based
    on Jurisprudence. Families who had been in power before where kept in
    power, because everything was about the past, the tradition. The western idolator system is also all about the 'tradition'. There is no other
    logic to it. We do it, because it is the way we did it before. Of course sometimes things do change, but besides such events, a heavy emphasis
    is on doing things in a way they have already been done before. Yuo
    don't have reasons, you don't engage arguments, you just pontificate
    that Judaism is correct, because that was what your parents did.

    You claim that what I write was "nonsense". While in the same breath
    saying that you don't want to read it. Check yourself, and your rude
    and troll like behavior. Do you think such behavior is allowed in a
    court case, for example ? The judge is not going to hear the case from
    one side, because _"he has no time or patience reading"_ and because of
    that he has decided that what he didn't read is nonsense, based on the
    first sentence, which was just hooking into the video. It is the video
    which keeps claiming this Ba'al Shem Tov just smelled something bad,
    and that is supposed to be good enough as proof that something was
    wrong. No arguments given. I just hooked into that for a moment. Then
    I already pointed out the lies: prozbul and heter iska.

    Prozbul and heter iska are phony Jewish law, which obviously ruins the
    Torah on those topics. You can look them up, I even gave you the source
    page in the Shulchan Aruch. These treasons are so bad, just mentioning
    their name should be enough for you to admit the truth. The prozbul
    makes the Court approve a certain loan as if it is a coart verdict,
    and therefore supposedly the loan can be executed on the borrower even
    after the 7th year, under the ridiculous idea that the loan is now a
    court decision and court decisions do not nullify in the 7th year. The
    court is now a group of criminals, participating with law breakers in
    their criminal activities under Torah law.

    The heter iska is similar nonsense. These lies have been made up by:
    prozbul Hillel the Elder, and heter iska by Maimonides / Rambam. Nothing
    to do with Moshe Rabbeinu. The Oral Tradition is the Big Lie of the
    Rabbis, who are apparently upset that they don't have the Sovereignty
    to make law. Hence, they just claimed that they do, without any sort of credible argument. They fake that without their _oral tradition_ nobody
    would know what the Torah means, which means that they are equating their
    fake traditions with the language itself. It is a lie. You do need to
    know the language to read something (or read a good translation, which
    is never 100% the same but it can be quite close), but you do not need
    their fake oral tradition, which is obviously wrong and also obviously
    does not come from Moshe Rabbeinu, such as on mentioned issues.

    Then we have a possibly even greater lie which the Rabbis are peddling:
    Rambam Shemita 10:8, where they pretend that the Jubilee being proclaimed
    to all the inhabitants in the land, now means that all of Israel needs
    to be in the land for the Jubilee to be proclaimed, and then they make
    it even worse by pretending Israel needs to be in the land, sorted by
    tribe. This supposedly because ancient Israel fell into corruption when
    2 tribes left, by no longer following the Jubilee. Here again we see this obsession with the corruption and lies of their forefathers. They don't go
    back to earlier, to Moshe Rabbeinu, but they follow corrupions from later,
    and without thinking. How else is land ownership to be dealt with in the
    Torah, than by the Jubilee ? It says: proclaim it to all the inhabitants, that's all. People need to know it is on, so they can demand their rights
    to be honored, even if corrupt Rabbis are in power, who may need to be overthrown and done away with if they keep destroying the Torah and
    ruining Israel, as they have done. The land is a right in the Torah,
    and this is essential in an economy. Markets in land are a disaster,
    all the land will be owned by the few, and the people will become their servants, and then their slaves and not long after, the whole thing is
    likely to collapse from anger and strife. The rich get richer, the poor
    get poorer, until it all goes to hell.

    The second holocaust is coming. 7 times worse than the Nazis, because
    Israel did not do Teshuvah for following Hillel and Rambam even after
    World War 2. The Nazis killed a third to half of all the Jewish people,
    or so I have read. Usually a third is given for the holocaust. If you take
    7 times a third out of a whole, you end up with 95% dead. One in nineteen
    will survive, which works out to a bit more than half a million. Curiously close to 600 000 in fact, a number mentioned in the Torah.

    You made your choices Israel, with your hard and rebellious neck,
    blind to any Torah or truth, willfully rejecting the laws HKB'H
    gave you. Incidentally it may already be the year 6005 now, because
    Israel stayed 430 years in Egypt, and not 210 as the Rabbis say, again overthrowing the Torah with that. If you correct this, you get that Corona Lockdown year was exactly the year 6 000. We also live in a time where
    life is increasingly without heavy labor, due to the technologies. We seem
    to already be in the 7th Millenium from Adam. Still, Israel refuses to
    come back to the truth. The consequences will be disastrous, for everyone.

    * End reply.

    I could write another 20 pages about the economics of it all, but the
    youtube text box won't post it, and -as we can see- people don't even want
    to read past half a sentence anyway. This is a whole lot more serious
    than just me ridiculing someone, or not giving the correct answers in
    both ways: the Torah (which they call a 'religion' now), and also the
    arguments in a secular way (which tends to be about the economics of it;
    not the incorrect fantasies of the gentiles - so to say -which they
    call Capitalism or Communism, or whatever they are after these days;
    but fundamental economics about market value coming from work done
    (effort) and *raw land* itself not being a product of effort, and thus
    not functioning normally in a market; you have to learn it to understand
    it, and perhaps slowly but surely you will start to realize how serious
    and fundamental this all is, also informed by history and what happened
    when this was followed and was not followed, and some other issues such
    as the need to be free to start in the economy or that raw land is the beginning of all work ... etc).

    But alas, Israel prefers to be against the Torah and the truth. They
    apparently want to activate the curses section in the Torah, still a
    rebel people even though the year 6 000 may already be in the past (!).
    Rebels against the Torah, rebels against the truth, a pontificating
    people who does not want to even hear an argument at all, but are so
    sure they are rigth no matter what, because that was what their fathers
    did, and so all the way back to the generation which started to fall
    into a certain corruption and unfortunately defeated the ones who stood
    for the truth.

    Oh that didn't happen ? No there is no corruption in Israel ? Then why
    is there an exile, hmmm ? The Tanach is not full of the corruption of
    Israel, distorting and ruining the Torah ? This is the whole story, it
    is a story or rebellion versus loyalty to the truth. The roughies versus
    the heroes, the mindless versus the wise, the greedy versus the caring.
    Before it all even started with Moshe Rabbeinu, they already rejected
    him. Right from the get go, when Moshe Rabbeinu killed the Egyptian
    guard(s), they went against him already, and later as well, multiple
    times. Then later they went against the prophets, and even tortured some
    of them to death.

    It was not all bad, however. There where also the good, the moments of
    loyalty and truth. They did go and listen to the Torah, and they agreed
    to it. They followed many orders which Moshe Rabbeinu was given from
    HKB'H (so the story goes), risked their lives many times in war. Set up
    courts, and copied the Torah dilligently, which is a serious work they
    have done. All this between the raging gentiles, some of which where
    full out into human and child murder ('sacrifice' they call it),
    ritualized routine human murder of innocent victims. Gentiles who
    believed all kinds of absolute madness, to an extend it almost doesn't
    exist anymore, also thanks to Israel and her loyalty to the Torah, to
    the truth, to caring for other people.

    Israel is a great Nation.

    Nevertheless, Israel needs to stop with certain corruptions, because
    what is happening is not good enough, also if not especially for Israel herself. She needs the truth, perhaps more than anyone else, to be free
    and to live, to be happy, to have a future. Therefore the lies of the
    Rabbis need to be overthrown and exposed, so that Israel can truly be
    that: Israel, the first born to Justice, the slave rebellion which
    became the foundation of the world, the Lamp of the Nations, the example Nation, the beloved of heaven, the hope of humanity, perhaps its only
    real hope.

    After the punishment to come, perhaps the remaining survivors will
    realize how serious it all is, and that they need to rethink their ways
    and the wrongs they have inherited versus the good they have inherited,
    and also to just understand what is good. All this is to finally play
    out is seems, in perhaps the next 50 to 100 years. Much delayed because
    of Israel her hard neck, unfortunately, because it could already all
    have been done, and nobody had needed to die over anything, not even the gentiles (who likewise don't listen to anything that seriously matters,
    who have their own hard neck and obstinacy and not caring about anything
    and not reading any arguments, probably even worse if not much worse
    than Israel).

    Well Israel .. it is all set up now, do you see that ? I guess not, but
    maybe later, you will realize that the whole thing is already
    essentially done. It is merely a matter of activating it in various
    ways. The ball is back in heaven, so to say. Nobody really cares here on
    Earth ... there literally is none that I could find, not even one. Not
    even one, in all this time and effort.

    P.S. I think I will remove all Rabbis from my youtube feed, and no
    longer search for their lies, so that I won't be enticed into
    responding anymore. They made their choices, I have had enough of them.
    I could still reply to someone reaching out though, so we shall see.

    You can hold nothing against me, Israel: I told you the truth how I see
    it, even went into the insane in case that would work and was true. If
    what is say is not true, then little harm done I suppose. Just another
    troll on the Internet, who cares. I didn't call for anything evil to be
    done, on the contrary (I would think), and certainly no violence (except perhaps against Tyranny, but even that is a calculated system of minimum activity for greatest result). If it is all true, I did my best to get
    throug to you, but you just don't want to hear anyhing but your selves
    and your previous lies, over and over again the same lies, until you
    believe them apparently.

    If it is true, I was there well on time, long before all this war started,
    even before the implosion of the debt in 2008 (although some work
    was still being done on the program). I didn't hide it, I didn't hide
    the argument, but quite to the contrary, send you many hundreds if not thousands of messages on the platforms which may have functioned to reach
    you. You have no case against me, I believe at least. I argued mostly your
    own Torah, for your benefit, and the benefit of the world. You do not
    want to listen. You are a closed door, a walled up gate so to say. You
    don't even know me, but you reject even hearing an argument based on
    the truth and the Torah as well. Unbelievable, what an obstinate and
    hard necked people. They don't have a leg to stand on, but still they
    keep going as if everything is fine.

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