• Israel is lost.

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 31 12:33:09 2024
    link: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NAVb1LHLSls
    title: Pro-Israel Crowd ERUPTS At Rabbis Messianic Message For The World!
    Moshiach is Going to Save Us
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    Reply ...

    Moshiach is going to save you from yourselves ? It is a long wait, isn't
    it. Moshe Rabbeinu also basically didn't save you. You had to make the
    choice to be good, and only those that did ended up "saved". Essentially
    those people saved themselves first, by wanting to be good and doing
    good. You could even argue, that they saved others and for that they where themselves saved, because being good is saving other people, helping other people. You need to be "saving" someone else, then heaven may come along
    and save you in return, or even other good people will do that, and so on.

    This is the problem you are in, that you think you are already good, and
    worthy to be saved. This is not the case, obviously. You broke the Torah,
    you made phony laws: Rambam Shemita 10:8, already this is the start of
    the exile, and when you gave up. You are denying each other their land,
    meaning you don't want to "save" each other anymore. Hillel the Elder
    with his prozbul then, Hillel the author of the exile I guess. You don't
    want to "save" each other anymore, with easy loans to be forgiven in
    the 7th year. Rambam even added the heter iska, ruining an section of
    loans to be made on profit. You do not want to help each other anymore
    out of friendliness with business loans, but it must be for greed. You
    don't want to be good people anymore.

    Since you don't want to save each other anymore, or at least no in these aspects of the economy, how do you think you will be saved ?

    You will not be saved, but rather you will be destroyed, as the Torah
    says: 7 times worse, each time. The concentration and death camps will
    soon open again, probably (or however the death will come), 7 times
    bigger, because you refuse to come back to the truth.

    You also did another big crime now, as a people, and that is to ignore
    these complaints for many years. You cannot make up for this error later anymore, when the pressure is on. For your whole life, you cannot correct
    this anymore, because you chose to not be good and not be good enough,
    when everything seemed easy. When you where given the chance to completely
    make up your mind in freedom one way or the other with basically no concequences, you did _not_ choose the truth, you refused to return to
    the Torah. Once you have suffered badly and some have returned to the
    Torah, they will know from experience how bad it can get, and therefore
    they can not do Teshuvah in completely freedom anymore, in that entire
    life. You have thrown this chance away, and for nothing. For your pride
    and for your arrogance, which you pretend is your civilized behavior and
    being nice ot each other and being horrified with someone saying the
    truth to you about your phony sages and your lying Torah. You pretend
    that this is rude and therefore you don't have to answer it or listen
    to it. This is your phony Hillel, who was so friendly, but he sold you
    the poison of the lies which became the exile, with all the horrors it
    came with. Where the _actual_ prophets always speaking in loving terms
    of Israel ? What did the father of the 12 children say about them, was
    he nice to everyone of them, spoke in poetic flowery words about their wonderful achievements, just like _you right now_ want to hear it, and
    nothing else ? This you think to yourself is your civilized behavior,
    that you want to be treated nice, but since this is about your crimes and
    your betrayals, you still don't want to hear it one way or the other. This
    then becomes your arrogance and your misplaced pride. You act the same
    as the gentiles with their idols, who are also upset if they get told
    the truth about these idols, and they perceive that as being rude. They
    worship and submit to their phony idols, and so if someone else does not,
    it upsets the idolators, they find it rude and presumptuous, even go as
    far as accusing the one who doesn't want to bow down for the stone or
    the wood of wanting power over them, as putting himself up as an idol
    because he does not want to bow. This is the whole mess you are in,
    you went into the ways of the gentiles again, or are these the ones you
    married and got into your people, against your orders.

    Tying boxes to your head is phony show, it is absurd. It is making
    a mockery out of the Torah, you are mocking the God of Israel with
    it. Your candlo lighting for Shabbos is breaking the Shabbos. Even that
    you broke, even the Shabbos, despite having been told that you should especially keep to it until the end. The day does not end when a Rabbi
    says so. The day ends naturally when you go to sleep for the night,
    and night and day should also not be interchanged.

    You chose death Israel. You are also responsible for creating the Roman idolatry system and Islam, both of which fail to have the right to land
    for the people, which is a catastrophy for which I don't think there
    is a solution. You had already ruined that, before they came along and
    made up their religions which are inspired by the Torah that you where
    still doing.

    You could have corrected the world by now perhaps, or (if you go by
    religion), you could have and should have, otherwise God would not have
    set this program in motion this way. You had the chance to do it, but
    you refused to do it in time. Now we see the rise in technology, and it
    is also already past the year 6 000, but still the humans are waging war
    like it is normal. You chose to not listen to your Torah, and therefore
    you failed to correct the world. It isn't that you created the evil,
    but you failed to get rid of the amount of it that you could have.

    You need to stop with these liars Hillel and Rambam, and return to the
    Torah economy. If you do not, you cannot have a Sovereign Nation, without making a mess out of it. The problem is that you don't want to think about anything. You don't want to use your head, just like the idolators. All
    this is nothing too complex but you just flat out refuse to do any honest thinking. It is all mushy mushy emotions with you, and no rationality or intelligence. When you get told the problem, rather than _think_ about it,
    you go into your social emotions and react that way, like a child. You are "insulted" and "crying" about it. What is the truth, you don't care about, because "your feelings are hurt" like a 13 year old girl.

    You have been warned. It is probably going to be absolutely horrific what
    is going to happen to the vast majority of Israel. There will probably
    not be many survivors, because you don't want to live the way you need
    to. You do not seem to understand or even want to think, that many of
    these 'sages' you have, they look like old wise and friendly men with
    long beards, but below this facade is a young 14 year old boy without
    much of any understanding (I do not refer here to the Rebbe in the
    video, I know nothing about him). You fall for the appearance, for the
    idol. The Romans also had this, non stop obsessed with whomever was of
    age, or dynasties of age, and then they just folded and did what those
    ordered them to. How old was Moshe Rabbeinu when he killed the Egyptian
    guard, and was ready to go with the Redemption apparently, and well on
    time for the 400 years ? You rejected that, and now today you reject
    the Redemption, because you want to be idolators and emotion driven,
    rather than be serious and rational for a change, to solve a few easy
    problems and set things right without all this hell having to occur.

    You will make your own choices, and then heaven will draw the
    consequences. This is a warning, for your own good. Stop your idolatry
    to your phony sages, such as Hillel and Rambam, or face the extreme consequences.

    Stop living in lalaland. Lalaland is collapsing.

    *

    Someone also replied:

    "Isreal is restored. What is the reason for Moshiachs return now? For
    the Temple?

    Reply to that ...

    @josboersema1352:

    Are you joking I hope ? Israel is restored ?! Where is the Torah. Where
    is the Jubilee on land, for starters. Why do they break the Shabbos ? By
    law, I refer to the Orthodox, why do they break the Shabbos by law now,
    every single Shabbos they break it. Why ? What is restored ?

    * End reply.

    I feel (heh) Israel is only reacting to these complaints with angry
    socially based emotions, like "he is rude" or "not nice" and all kinds
    of similar things like this. It seems then that the wedge between Israel
    and the Torah is only increasing by complaining to Israel, rather than
    that they return to the truth and save themselves, each other and even
    the world in the end. It doesn't matter then to explain anything to
    them, because every single time it doesn't match their current beliefs,
    they are going to react with the opinion and feeling that it is rude,
    thus building up their own anger.

    There is hence nothing to say to these people, there is no way to reach
    them, before the second holocaust comes and deals with things this way.
    After that has happened, the vast majority who acts this way, will no
    longer be alive, I'm sorry to say - and again they will react to this
    with the idea that it is rude. I understand they don't want to die, but
    it is them themselves that is killing themselves. They think far too
    lightly about all the things they think they are allowed to do and
    believe, they think far too lightly about believing books which others
    believe, or follow people in nice dress who seem to be civilized, and so
    on.

    They act the same way as the idolators, who in a big way divide the world
    into two: their priests, versus the street thugs with skulls tattoed on
    their arms. There are piles of Catholics who think that this is the
    choice in the world: organized crime street thugs murderers and beer
    obsessed rough people with tattoos and short lives, versus the priests
    of the Vatican in their nice white robes and tidy churches who stand for
    the good. That's what they think, how they divide the world for
    themselves in good and bad, which essentially comes down to: everyone
    who does not support our camp, must be in with the criminals. That the
    Vatican is one of the world crime groups on Earth, they will perceive
    that as absurd and rude, and as some craziness the people from the
    criminal street thug camp might say, just to be rude and cause
    confusion. They will just quickly block all that out, because they want
    to be good, and not even hear what evil has to say. This is how they
    "think", which cannot be called thinking. It is more of an emotional
    system of tribal fielty without thought.

    Everything is boiling down to personal perceptions, to the judgement of
    the character, or rather perceived character (because none of them ever actually talks to me personally), and this judgement will then become
    negative if it is critical of Rabbinical Judaism and its Rabbis;
    especially when this comes in harsh words (which I didn't at first, but
    slowly but surely it escalates because they should have already come
    clean on their crimes now, but refused). Come to think of it, having
    children makes this worse again, because they taught their children
    Rabbinical Judaism and subservience to Hillel and Rambam and so on.
    This makes it harder to then admit that these have been the destroyers
    of Israel. They would have to admit to miseducating their children, they
    may need to confront their own parents about miseducating them, and so
    on. This can be socially and emotionally hard to do, it hurts the ego
    and the pride. It is then easier to say something like: but what if all
    this is just not true, then I can ignore it and not cause myself any unnecessary trouble for nothing. The wish for that to be true, can then
    quickly morphe into the acceptance of it being true by that person, and
    then to quickly step away and ignore the issues.

    I'm sorry to say, but for these kinds of decisions by the masses of
    Israel, the curses section in the Torah seems to have been put in. There
    will be an end to these lies, one way or the other, or so the Torah
    says. If you lack the courage of an Abraham or a Moshe Rabbeinu, that's
    fine if that's your choice. Well it is not fine, but it is your choice. Eventually, you will just not belong, you will just not be welcome in
    the Israel after the Redemption, because you do not have what it takes
    to live that life, and to maintain that system of peace & justice. You
    would even understand that yourself, you would know that you are weak
    minded and merely a follower, filler and a distraction, a potential
    breach in the people of ISrael through which the evil and the lies can
    come back in. You even yourself would eventually know that, and hence
    stay away perhaps even, realizing you never where part of these people
    at the essence of it (I guess, gathering from what I read about Israel
    and what they are saying about their own history, these people who
    joined but shouldn't have, and so on).

    If you want this peace and this tranquility of "the good guys" being at
    the helm of that society, of your society, you first need to be the
    foundation of the truth to that. You need to keep things straight from
    your end. If you do not do that, as people have not done that, then you
    will end up with corruption in the top of the system, corruption and
    crime, lying, abuse, and even unnecessary wars, even the collapse of a
    Nation.

    I read not long ago something like this: "If moshiach comes and people
    support it, I will not even check on it but just go along." I think to
    myself, then you don't belong. You are the weak link in the truth and
    the Justice. You don't do your part when it matters, you don't take an interest. You will follow the majority into evil, as the Torah
    explicitly forbids, because you think someone else should figure it out
    for you, but you also have your own responsibility in this. The Torah
    also says: it is not in heaven, it is right in your hand, you can read
    ind and understand it, it is not beyond you that you cannot do it, or
    that you have to ask what it means.

    Israel, you failed. Once you admit that and do better, you can still be
    a success. Take that and do what you must do, then all the troubles can
    soon be forgotten, and we all live happy ever after I hope.

    Turn off your pride, your petty ego, and your obsession with your hat.
    lol

    Ummm... grow some serious respect and love for your God, the Creator of everything, the author of your Torah or at least the inspirator if you
    want. Start to take this Torah, the WRITTEN Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu, the Pentateuch and the Prophets that is, and the Tehilin (Psalms) if you
    want, a lot more serious and a lot more precise than you have until now.
    Stop taking everything as loosely.

    Now also stop following random "sages" of the exile. Are they prophets ?
    No. Are they Moshe Rabbeinu ? No. They are part of the exile, they have
    been exiled. Stop following every odd book because the lettering is
    good. Stop listening to the Rabbis of the exile as well, because they
    caused this exile, or rather ...

    Take a new sense of precision with what these Rabbis are saying, because
    there are lies there that you need to get rid off.

    Stop with your Kabbalahblablah. We are in *this world* and that is
    trouble enough. Since the Kabalablablah doesn't talk about the right to
    land and the Jubilee, I concired it a worthless work and a waste of
    time. We can deal with heaven when we get there, our problems now are
    with violence, with ownership of land and the economy, and things like
    that. Living on Earth, that is our job, that is our focus, that is what
    we do here. Once we solved all that, who knows, we will bring out the
    Kabalah books and it will be great - I don't know, but for now, there is
    enough trouble to go around that needs dealing with.

    Stop being idolators to your phony sages and your Rabbis. Stop believing someone just because they got some prestigious papers. Ask them to make
    sense out of the Torah ,and if they don't, then talk about it and don't
    just give up because you need to fit in with the crowd. Truth is truth,
    and if your understanding is wrong, then talk about it so you can be
    corrected, this is only helping you also. Don't fake your agreement,
    when you really don't understand. Maybe the Rabbi is absolutely right,
    but because you said "yes ofcourse" when you didn't understand, you
    won't understand. Get precise, stop being mushy mushy emotional with everything. Get emotional when someone needs help, then help them from
    the heart, but Torah is also law, and that requires sometimes an amount
    of precision and rationality (apparently!).

    The truth is a great uniter, but only for a people who care about the
    truth, to find the truth, to think enough to find it, and so on. The
    Torah can also be a uniter, because it contains so much truth. This is
    your job as being Israel (I guess), uniting around both the truth, and
    the Torah, because they are both one.

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  • From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 4 12:03:54 2025
    The person continued with the question that the problem might be that
    the 3rd Temple hasn't been rebuild.

    Reply ...

    The problem is that they do not follow their Torah, for example and
    perhaps most importantly they have not given everyone their right to
    free land. Everyone gets their free land in the ancient law of Israel
    (Torah). The Temple is basically the Supreme court (in modern words),
    who is supposed to hold people accountable (ultimately) who break laws
    like this. The people of Israel today have destroyed these laws, and they
    think that this is good. However, it is not good, and you probably also
    do not understand this, but it is the case that you cannot have a stable
    and peaceful Nation if you allow markets in land or some other trick or
    foul to deny people their right to free land. Therefore what you will see,
    is if this current Israel is going to build the Third Temple, that the
    Judges or other systems to keep the laws in place are going to sit there,
    that they will continue with their ignorance and not keep Israel in good
    order, as it is supposed to be kept in good order. They are corrupt,
    and therefore their 3rd Temple will also be corrupt. Rabbinical Judaism
    is corrupt, but they do not want to admit it and correct it, because
    they are a hard necked and rebellious people, who put a lot of pride in
    phony ideas which they made up later, which serve the rich and greedy
    who have overthrown the Torah for their own greedy selfishness.

    The foul in this case is in their books here: Rambam Shemita 10:8. It
    is completely obvious, and therefore they are lying about these
    things. It isn't about mistakes anymore, it is overt lying, they are
    in open rebellion against the Torah, it is an open war against heaven
    of sorts. They pretend otherwise, which is part of their war against
    the truth.

    You can find yourself easily where the Jubilee is in the Torah. Tanach: Bemidbar 34:16, 36, Wajjikra 25:23, Tehiliem 37, 78, 55, Jehoshua 17:5,
    Ezekiel 48:29, Micha 2:5.

    This is just one part of the laws which they have ruined for
    themselves. It also doesn't matter to a degree if they understand their
    own lying or not. It matters that they behave wrong. The consequences
    of this wrong are going to be rising corruption, crime in high and low
    places, poverty and hopelessness, demoralization, forms of slavery and exploitation, and eventually also defeats in wars and being absorbed into
    enemy Empires, to eventually leading to their complete dissipation and dissapearance. In other words, they are still creating the exile. Israel
    is not restored. The Zionist Rebel State is nothing more than some of
    the worst Jewish rebels against the Torah, rebels _against_ Israel (who nevertheless are Jewish themselves), who are doing their best basically
    to ruin their own people and become part of the gentile Empires and all
    the madness that this implies, because the gentiles understand even less
    and do even less of what needs to be done.

    All this mess is going to end in horrible wars and Tyrannies, and
    potentially even the end of humanity or a reset to the Stone Age of
    some sort.

    Putting a 3rd Temple on this mess, will only make it even worse. The
    idolatrous people of Israel will even stronger believe in these corrupt
    Rabbis and whomever is going to control that Temple, and this will
    ruin the Torah to an even greater extend. That is why their Temple was presumably also destroyed, to save them from this Temple corruption.

    * End reply.

    Israel is lost, they do not believe their own Torah, they do not think
    about their own Torah to understand it seriously, even though there are
    things in it (if not everything) which can be rationally (Scientifically) understood as to why it is this way, why it has to be that way, why it
    is good and true, the best plan for Israel.

    21+ centuries of having overthrown the Torah on key points, and no signs
    yet of stopping with the lies. It is quite amazing they still exist, concidering the Torah is their only unifying and most defining element.
    How is it possible they have gone on with the lies for so long, and
    pretended not to notice it, and in such large numbers ? How can this
    happen ? Do they not care whatsoever about anything, not even their own
    Torah ? I guess it all became a game for them. It is a money maker
    within Israel to be seen as caring about the Torah. It is good for
    standing and money. Actually caring ... well ... that would require
    things like standing up to the liars and the bribes and so on, that
    would require effort, even loss of standing because of all the big liars
    whom you would have to expose and rage against.

    Still, for 21 centuries or so, to keep the lies going. Quite an
    achievement, in the negative. Unusual for humans ? Not at all, see the
    western idolators for example. Completely normal on Earth, to be
    expected.

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