The lying Rabbis of Israel have overthrown the Torah economy, and now
they don't dare to answer for their crimes. They play the silence card,
pretend they don't have to answer the complaint ? How can that be ? They
know the people are cattle, one follows after the behind of the other.
They are the lead cow. If they turn left, the others also turn left. If
they ignore something, the rest will ignore it. All after the one in the
front, mindlessly, mindlessly over the cliff. This problem of the masses
their are exploiting, by not answering. They never answer, pretending it
isn't worth their time, and they know that this is what people will
assume, because the people are likewise mindless. It is a social control mechanism, a form of propaganda and herding of the people.

They do not dare to engage the argument, because they know they will loose
it. Does Israel *deserve* death ? Unfortunately, humanity and Israel
included, the way they are behaving, the radical stupidity, the
dishonesty of the bosses of society, the level of technology and the
demands it places upon humanity: yes. This humanity does not deserve to
live, there is no future for this mess. It may still be good enough
however, to receive punishment, in the hope that it will learn. In that
sense it has the right to live, but to live in suffering. Also, so many
people are so rich right now, that many of their good deeds have already
been accounted for as well. They have the benefits of many of their
good choices and activities now. Then later, and because they refuse to
correct the remaining stupidity and crimes, those crimes will be
accounted for in the destruction of this world.

This was their choice, it is entirely similar to how they always talk
about what happens when you sell your soul to the devil. If you sell it
ot the devil, you supposedly first get the fame or riches or whatever
you wanted, but then after Satan takes your soul to eternal damnation.
This is what the world has chosen to do, to not restructure the system
when the banks could be destroyed - finally this old enemy was down to
its knees, or at least so they pretended. They did not want to do the
job necessary, also to distribute the land to all as is a necessity (no
matter what the ignorant masses think about it, they will be lucky to
re-enter the Stone Age if they keep going with their ignorance), they
chose not to have the smaller crisis first which was the result of their previous ignorance, but they wanted parties and wealth. They wanted to
go on with the greed system, which still had some life in it. In this
exchange for luxury and mindless partying, the final destruction would
become very much greater, like global nuclear war much greater.

Not some businesses boarded up and angry marches in the street, and some restructuring of society where needed. That was probably going to be the
cost of it, and it was probably going to be quite serious as well.
However, it would not be close to the hell on Earth we are now facing,
with global Fascism and global nuclear war breaking out. This was the
cost of the choice. The people have had their decadence, and now they
will be taken to damnation for it (I mean, suffer badly on Earth for an
amount of time, and many of them will die, quite possibly even a large
majority but we shall see).

title: Orthodox Jew CONFRONTS Rabbi on Moshiach and his Response Was PERFECT! source: Yossi Paltiel
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpFeX9Mbfjc

Reply ...

Rambam Shemita 10:8, prozbul, heter iska, fake day ending to break
the Shabbos. Rabbinical Judaism is a scam. You want 'moshiach' just as
much as you want the Torah, which is _not._ I guess for you it is easy,
because when the punishment comes, you always have a chance to escape,
even though Israel is likely to die 7 times worse than during the
Nazis. But hey, what's it to you, right ? You don't care, it's not your
problem your people will die like perhaps even never before. Not your
problem ! Torah ? Not your problem ! Money, food, hats, prestige, this
is all they care about. The woman ? Support it all, look at those nice
clothes ! The men ? Zoned out already, for thousands of years. You are a fraudulent people, with a fraudulent religion, which is not the Torah. You
have overthrown the Torah economy, and now you are too ego driven to
admit it, especially to some youtube comment which you probably think
is a stupid person. Go back to Egypt, build your new Pharao ruled Empire
of Tyranny over there, steal people's land, deny the poor their chances
and their loans, so you can buy another silly hat. You have been warned,
and your silence on these issues is another crime. Your failure to reply
is another crime, your failure to do Teshuvah for these isuses, is yet
another crime for today. Not just for you, fraudulent Rabbi, but for the
whole klal. Such a waste, the beloved Nation of Hashem. They think they
will be Redeemed shortly, what a joke. No you won't be Redeemed this way,
you will be destroyed this way, or the Torah is not true. Want to place
your bets now ? Rabbinical lies versus the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu. If
you are right, you lying Rabbis of Israel, at least the Orthodox will
soon be Redeemed and Rambam will forever be a great sage. If the Torah is
right (or if you want to put it like that if I am right claiming this),
within this generation, Israel will suffer 7 Nazi holocausts. Let's take
a look at things in 20 years, and see where we are then. I think it will probably happen in the coming 10 years, perhaps even 5, but it could take
a lot longer as well, perhaps even 30-40 years, but this seems doubtful (talking about realism, not the probably also phony year count of the
Rabbis, who pretend Israel was not 430 years in Egypt, even though the
Torah explicitly says so). Speaking of the year count, it is already 6
005, if you correct for this lie by the Rabbis.

You realize it perhaps not, but the Redemption will be _your fall_
as Rabbis of Israel. Your movement is going to fall. It didn't really
have to, but you refuse to correct it on the necessary points, beacuse
of your hard neck, your obstinacy your pride your certificates you "we
always know better" even though all you do is worship phony sages and
you don't put your logical mind to anything. What a lying people, what
a lying movement this phony Rabbinical Judaism is. I tell you that you
will be destroyed, the same as when the Romans came, and also then the
effort was to entirely destroy your movement so that it would not affect
the future generations. The Torah ? In an amazing twist as we now know
(see Ceasar's Messiah), the Torah itself, the written Torah and not your
lies, they where kept safe by the bosses of Rome themselves ! Can you
believe this amazing twist ? Heaven gives the Torah for safekeeping,
where ? Rome ! The bosses of Rome ! The rest, is to be wiped out and
destroyed, so that all the lies which you pasted over the truth will be
gone. Sadly, it didn't entirely work, because the lying Rabbis of Israel
are still here going on with their phony Hillel and their lying Rambam.

I could talk about why it is all lies, obvious economics and the Torah,
but none of you care. I think that for this, you will be destroyed by
heaven. 7 Nazi holocausts, because the Torah says, every time becomes 7
times worse. You did not repent from Hillel and Rambam after the Nazis,
and hence it will now become 7 times worse. If you say "fine, let's wait
and see", that is enough to not be part of the Redemption, because it
proves you don't care for the truth, that you cannot be trusted, that
you are at best filler, at worst, a poison to the people. Do Teshuvah
and live, but if there is no part of you that even cares for the truth whatsoever, you will probably not have a clue what this even means. Is
this is all that's left of Israel now, a bunch of animals without a mind
?! Stand for the truth, Israel, and take your place as the lead Nation
on Earth, the first born. First however, you show that you care for the
truth for the sake of it, and you stop lying. If you cannot, the curses
will continue. That is the torah, and that's all I'm saying. I'm not
saying that I'm a prophet, I merely compute YOUR TORAH for you. I am
motivated to do it, because I already see this 7 Nazi holocausts coming
for you, and also the gentiles, they will probably suffer even worse to
pay for their insanity and their crimes. Oy oy oy Israel why why why why
are you a dishonest and mindless people, and how dare you side with the
lies. How dare you play with your lives by overthrowing the Torah with
your lies. How dare you put the whole world at risk this way. You have
no fear of heaven, no care for the truth.

* End Reply.

Such a lying people. Never mind the gentiles, who are completely lost as
well. This is not about anti-semitism. Despite everything, Israel is
still the lead Nation on Earth in many ways. When they are destroyed,
perhaps finally the essence of the good will come out again, and the few
who lived can make the Redemption happen in a much muted and smaller way
that was in theory possible.

It is quite clear that the deeper issue is that of the mind, for a lot
of people. They do not care to find out what is true and how things work
on a fundamental level. They are also usually full of illusions, and
have little or no understanding of how the ones who are evil operate.
They do not usually understand almost anything about how the bosses of
society manipulate them. They think think they know, and they do know to
a minor degree, but it is so much worse and so much deeper than they understand, and they are part of it so much more than they want to
admit. The ruling evil bosses are also nothing more than an outgrowth,
a symptom, of both the evil and the ignorance of the masses themselves.
The masses have all the power. Nothing can stand up against the masses.
It is the masses themselves who are ultimately guilty, of their
anti-social behavior, their greed, their petty ambitions, their lust to
become rich above other people, and perhaps worst of all: rudeness in
talking (yes I do now think of myself also, writing all these angry
words over and over again). This destroys everything, how the common
people fail to work together:

- Social strife, a failure of will, failure to want to be good.
- Rudeness in the behavior, in the speech, gossip, hate, lack of care.

Well I was thinking of another point, but this basically is already it.
The want to be above other people in wealth, the greed the obsession
with money. Then the final nail in the coffin is the overall rudeness,
the lack of care, the short attention timespan. I talk here of the
masses themselves, the ordinary people. I realize there are people who
can do all this, even many politicians are very good with all of this,
but it is not enough. The masses themselves aren't capable of it, and
that is where it breaks down. With 'bosses of society' I don't even mean
top politicians, although at the top they are probably bribed and
implicated, if not outright criminals, but I mean the top rich evil
psychos and also the organized criminals who work with them.

While I feel there is a lot of good and discipline going on as well, we
can see in hard facts that it is not going well enough on Earth. Despite
all the effort of so many people, also including the great masses and
all the work they do, it is an objective fact that it is not going well
enough to even reach a survival level of this society at large. It is
not even possible to stop torture by the armies, let alone gigantic open warfare fronts burning through the people and entire Nations falling
into warfare, even entire Continents now or soon.

While the fish rots from the head, it is not like the rest of it is good
enough either. That's not me trying to be negative, but we see the
objective reality of this in the wars and the absurd Government policies
such as the National Debt, let alone deeper insanities like how land is
traded (they have no clue). We could point to the same good happening in society before World War 2, but that war still happened, Hitler still
happened. In so many days in so many Nations and cultures, so many
people did their best, more than their best, and it still ended in
failure and there was still so much suffering going on which was never resolved. We had Parliaments in Germany, we had people doing their jobs,
we had an amount of discipline and morality at least of a most basic
kind, there where courts, there where prisons for criminals, murder was
not legal, and neither was stealing. Still it ended in a huge war. That
is the point, we know from history that this condition we are in is not
good enough. That's not a personal taste of mine, that I want people to
be nicer to me even personally for some reason. This is an objective
historical reality. We know from experience that this type of condition
will lead to hell on Earth, at least for a great many people, a large percentage of the population, and probably the vast majority will have
at least some sort of hardship going on eventually.

Is it worse than then, better than in the Weimar Republic ? I don't
know, but it all looks quite similar, and that is bad enough. It could
be better, but there is a lot similar, and we see for a fact how it is
already going bad in big ways.

- Stop being ignorant about the economy, and if you live with obstinate
and ignorant masses, then it is time to start a new Nation and push
the ignoramusses out to their own lands. Divide it fairly, and they
can set up their abuse systems there, and then we will set up our
justice and freedom on our side. They can live in hate, and we can
live in peace. If they come to attack us, we will destroy them in war.

- Stop being obssessed with getting rich. An average or even somewhat
above average even, that is certainly good enough in wealthy times
like this (times which will probably end in the coming decade/s).

- Want to be a good person, rather than only to live for your personal
jollies and others then will just have to suffer the failures of your
personality. Work on being a good person, with which I mean, just to
be a bit friendly and have a caring basic attitude, and that is
probably already going to be enough. This is absolutely not a call for
some weirdo cult behavior. This is not a cult, there is nobody to
worship. It is about society as a whole, and just do a bit better so
we can all live. We just need it to go on average over the hump of
some sort, and it may already be good enough to at least avoid the
worst of the wars, the worst of the organized crime Tyrannies and
looting.

- Stop being obsessed with your car also, if you are one of those.

It all feels so hopeless, yet it also seems to be so close to a result
that is good enough. So many people are so hard at work all the time.
Why can't we just get over the last hump and reach stability. Perhaps we
can !

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title: Orthodox Jew CONFRONTS Rabbi on Moshiach and his Response Was PERFECT! source: Yossi Paltiel
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpFeX9Mbfjc

After a bit of talk on the clickbait of Rabbis, someone commented that
'this is what moshiach is up against' and of course I couldn't keep my
big mouth shut ... Predictably the comment was deleted, probably by
Google / Youtube (which I consider illegal and destruction of someone
else's work, because they do not give any notice on the destruction they
are doing, and hence I hold them liable and would like to see them
prosecuted and paying fines and damages; but worse they may eventually
need to be prosecuted for creating wars and Tyranny as well, which is
easily a life sentence ... the police work and research of all the evil
these gangsters are doing will of course still need to be done, and so
we have to wait for the results of that; which will certainly not be
ready or even started until well after World War 3, if ever ...)

Reply ...

Well, since I may be this person you all seem to refer to (I know I
know ... you cannot deal with this problem whatsoever, not at all),
I can tell you that it is not so simple as "making sense in everyone
their language". It doesn't matter if you make sense within Judaism,
or rationally in a scientific way. It doesn't matter, because people -
and this includes you, as I have debated you before and you also don't
care - they don't care. They just don't care. 1 + 1 can be 2 all you
want, you can proof it f rom here until forever, it doesn't matter. It
doesn't matter if it makes sense or no sense. That is the world you are
in. Jews are so much worse than you realize. Gentiles ?.I don't even talk
to them anymore, except basically by accident, because they are so much
worse still. Who am I to say that ? Am I the smart one now ? No not so. I
think basically anyone who seriously cares about an important topic,
will hit some sort of wall of insanity on this planet with the humans,
and they _just don't care._ It may not be with everything, but a lot
of things are wrong, and you just hit a certain wall where it doesn't
matter how much you understand it or in how many ways you can explain
it; they JUST DON'T CARE. Jews also, they JUST DON'T CARE. Everything
is fake. You whole religion is fake. The Torah is true, but you build
a mountain of fakery over it, to hide the fact that you break it, that
you serve the greedy rich bastards who are just laughing at all of you
at the bottom, for how confused and hopeless you are, and how you ruin yourselves by serving them - the criminals.

The Torah already knew this was going to happen, and you realize how this
will be dealt with ? You think you will be "changed" like the fake Jesus
people pretend, probably they heared it from you the Jews ? You think you
will be made to understand ? Sure, the few, the very few, may in the end
come through and by all the hell and horror they went through, eventually
they may see themselves forced to accept the reality of what they have
done and what they need to do. That is a very small amount of Jews who
will likely make that step, and I don't think it is probably going to
be anyone of you, because you made your choices. You made your Rambam
and your Hillel into your idols already, you are already lost unless you seriously want to get rid of the lies that you serve. Of course you won't,
who are we kidding. The Torah has the solution for it, and that solution
is, I'm sorry to say: death, death on a mass scale. The solution is not
that you will be changed, but that you will just not exist anymore. You
will not be there anymore to poison the few remaining people who do want
to live, or you are cast out and lost in some other way.

Then when all this hell has happened, which you Israel have created
together with the gentiles, and even though the gentiles created the
majority of this evil on Earth, you the Jews could have done so much
more to resolve it, but you refused to do your Torah, and now we are
here. I talk in riddles ? Rambam Shemita 10:8, prozbul, heter iska,
Shabbos candle lighting to break the rest day early in the evening,
like a bunch of scammers, religious scammers I suppose. Tying boxes to
their heads to pretend they care, making a mockery of the Torah in the
eyes of the world. I do not understand why heaven still allows jews to
even exist in this way still on Earth, but it must all be in the honor
of Abraham and then of course, Moshe Rabbeinu, the great.

When all that is over and the people who JUST DON'T CARE (and that is you
all) will be gone taken out no longer there ... then the few may listen
to whatever works for them, reason, Torah, love, care, a good plan,
whatever works for them - and then what you say may come true. Make
sure you make it and proof me wrong, and show some care for the truth
and stop your lying about the Torah with your liars Hillel the traitor
and Rambam the Destroyer.

FOOLS FOOLS FOOLS. That's what you are. You are committing suicide as
a people. Do you see it yet ? Do you see the war coming yet ? OPEN YOUR
EYES, fools. So done with all of you, I'm so done with these liars calling themselves Israel and Rabbis. You will become the most hated generation
in history, gentiles included.

FOOLS FOOLS FOOLS. That's what you are. You are committing suicide as
a people. Do you see it yet ? Do you see the war coming yet ? OPEN YOUR
EYES, fools. So done with all of you, I'm so done with these liars calling themselves Israel and Rabbis. You will become the most hated generation
in history, gentiles included. Sorry ... I really can't take the lying
and the obstinacy anymore. I really cannot. I will try to block all of
you again for your and my own sake. See you after the second holocaust,
7 times worse than the Nazis ... MAYBE or maybe not. Laughable and
idiotic what you have done to your Torah, laughable and shameful. You
are the destroyers, you are the exile, you are the criminals.

* End reply.

I think it is probably best I stop again. I just get more & more angry
with the lying Jews. The gentiles are worse, but it is so bad with them,
so insane (although there are also good gentiles but as Nations and as a civilization they are quite insane with their bizarre Jesus and also
their corrupt science and their wars and just all their lies and
distortions ... there may be fine and excellent *individuals* but as a
mass as a people as a culture ... no, this is not going to work), that
you can only shrug your shoulders at all this madness and just go away.
It's so pitiful, so absurd. Jesus is going to save them, because "he
died for their sins". You can only pity this sort of crazy people.

The Jews however, they had a real chance. They unfortunately made a big
mess out of democracy and the State and so they still had their Kings
because they couldn't be friendly with each other enough, but there is a
lot of morality in the Torah, and for once there is also a working
economyi in it. Not a working State, not formally working at least (not
without the help of heaven), but it's a start. If they did well, perhaps
the State could be fixed later for them as well. They did not do well.
The Levites didn't want to be idolators, but that's just one tribe. It
wasn't enough to bear the confusion and idolatry of the rest, and so
they became the priest, the seat of power.

Anyway ... what is so enraging about the Jews, is that they are so close
to the truth, and they still mess it up. What do you say to a child who
gets a math questions, and draws a boat. What is 2 + 4, and they draw a
boat. You would say, what a nice boat, go play outside for a while.
The Jews however, they had their Torah. They knew so much of the
answers. Then when the math question comes, and like the question is:
how many years was Israel in Egypt ? The number is simply 430, you just
need to copy it. But no, they say it's something else now. 210 or
whatever, whatever the fad of the day. Next question: how do you handle
land in a Nation. The answer is in the Torah, you only have to copy it,
you don't even have to explain it. That is how easy it is. Can the land
be sold in perpetuity ? Yes or no. What do they say ? Yes, the land can
be sold ! They don't draw a boat on the paper, they know what it's
about. They have the right answer, the answer is: NO. The answer is:
430. The answer is: the loan is nullified in the 7th year for the poor.
What is their answer ? The loan is not nullified !

This is what makes me upset. First I was so enthusiastic about the jews, finally I found a people who knew things, who got it right. I didn't
know yet about the Shulchan Aruch, or Rambam or Hillel back then, not
know about the prozbul, the lying the scamming the deception. I didn't
know that the Rabbis are organized crime under the Torah, that they are
liars. I bought a hat, a black one like the Jews have, and wore it like
them, and I rode my bike (at some point for whatever odd reason I was in Amsterdam), and I was so happy and looking forward to know more about
this people.

Then I found the lies. In the Shulchan Aruch.

I still was very happy with the Jews however, I thought it is just a
minor mistake, they can correct it. They didn't care. They don't care.
Jews don't care about the truth. That's not to contrast it with the
gentiles, the gentiles also don't care about the Torah and the truth.
The Jews at least care *more* about the Truth, but that's comparing
little to nothing at all, and neither is going to be enough. You don't
even need the Torah of course, you can figure it all out if you want,
but people don't want to figure it out. They don't care. Still I was
happy with the Jewish people and respected them enormously, thinking
there was hope they would correct their oversight. Surely, they would
care for the truth. Don't people care for the truth ?

Slowly but surely over the years, as I saw and experienced the
obstinacy. Obstinacy is a potent form of lying, lying by the omission
of an answer I guess, as we see here all the time in this group and no
doubt also on this very article. More and more I lost my love & respect
for these people, even though they are still better than the usual
gentiles, and they will always be that. Problem is, the gentiles are
going to wage war and evil until the bitter end, and then they will
probably destroy themselves forever. That is the road they are on.
They will probably reset to the Stone Age, and that's that. They don't
even care. It isn't all bad, in a tribal sense of way. If a father cares
about his children, that is considered a major achievement, and I
suppose it is. Having a society of justice and peace, it just doesn't
seem to be possible with this kind of ... "WE DON'T CARE", or we care
about ourselves and then, ourselves and ourselves and maybe in a distant
kind of way, when we are hyped up enough about a story, we might care
about someone else. Can be rich ? They take it with both hands, usually regardless of where the money comes from.

At this point I'm so upset with the lying of the Jewish people (never
mind the scientists and the fakers in politics with their shallow
ideologies), I don't know why I am writing this to a people I already
don't even want to know anymore.

Point in case, why am I still moving my hands for these liars ? Let me
stop right here then. Have a nice day, and a guten Shabbos. I hope you
will all live happily ever after in the Redemption, speedily in your
days. You gave humanity a major opportunity to stop lying and live the
truth, by keeping at least the text of the Torah in existence. Humanity
owes the Jewish people a great debt of gratitude for that, and it may
still be the one thing which makes humanity survive in the long term.

I still didn't get the answer to my original question, some 15 years ago
I asked it. How do you want to be remembered after the second holocaust,
what kind of memorial shall we built to remember you. You chose death,
but at least you are still alive now, and you can tell the living what
you would like for your remembrance. Similar to the Nazi holocaust, but
simply 7 times more ? I guess that makes sense. Many memorials have been
built for that, and more can be built still. Shall we fix it on that
then, tidy down these last loose ends, and I wish you as I did before so
many years ago: happy dying. You chose death, you want death, so then I
wish you a happy dying.

You want life ? Then you better start caring.
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