• The Rabbis put the entire Nation of Israel at grave risk.

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 15 15:35:30 2025
    link: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1GU6dJ8diKI
    title: Connecting to Hashem | Rabbi Shepherd's purpose towards NON-JEWS
    "I Have Met Many Moshiach Seeking Redemption Through Different Paths source: @KingDavidKabbalah

    Reply ...

    Not a clue what this was about. However, the Rabbis have overthrown
    the Torah economy, causing the exile and leading Israel to death. You
    don't want to correct yourselves, so there should not be a Redemption
    for the Rabbis I guess. You made your choices, consequences befitting
    them will have to be the result. I don't know why you are so hard necked
    and dishonest, but if that's your choice, then so be it. Nobody can live
    your lives for you.

    * End reply.

    Continuing on Usenet. "Grave risk" is probably an understatement.
    Israel faces 7 Nazi holocausts in one event, which may imply 95% of the
    Jewish people will die an untimely and violent death, and many of their families and entire family groups, entire clans and much of entire
    tribes will likely be wiped out and never return as the way they are
    now. This is what the Torah says: every round is 7 times worse. THe last
    round was the Nazi holocaust, and the Jewish peolpe continue to oppose
    the Torah as they did 21 centuries ago, when the broke with the truth by
    no longer honoring the Jubilee (which is a CATASTROPHY for a Nation
    whose system it was to afford people their right to free and equal value
    LAND by way of the Jubilee system, the 50th year return of the land into
    the ownership of that person/family).

    Hard to believe ? Take a look at history.

    Hard to believe ? http://www.dani18.com says the same, perhaps even worse (since I cannot get into a close pass of a possible Planet-X, since
    there is no hard rational evidence available for it).

    It is so sad that Israel is an irrational and superstitious people. If
    they wanted to be rational and scientific, they could do such a good job
    at it. They want to be irrational and superstitious however, and this
    destroys them with their phony sages and all their magical beliefs. All
    this phony magic and make belief ruins them, since they loose sight of
    some of the most important aspects of the economy.

    The economy is not about miracles or about stories surrounding "sages"
    and all kinds of nonsense like that. The economy is about certain laws
    and mechanisms surrounding loans and land ownership. Sounds boring ? Big mistake, but to the idolatrous magical thinker who wants to be amazed
    and entertained by some fantastical stories (true or false is irrelevant
    either way), that which matters so much can seem boring. IS it boring to
    have your land ? Of course not, it is the way *out* of the boredom of
    slavery and being a tool for some rich and greedy psycho. Having land
    makes your life into an adventure, and so it is the opposite of boring.

    Oy oy oy Israel, why are you so lost in your sillyness. You could be so
    great, you could be so far ahead of all these gentile Nations and you
    could be such a blessing on Earth and until forever, until and including forever. Why don't you stop with your idolatry for once, why don't you
    listen to your God and your Torah for once.

    No, your Rabbis do not listen to your Torah, they are runing a scam
    against the Torah and against heaven and against the future of Israel,
    and this scam is encapsulated in your phony books here:

    Rambam (the liar) / Maimonides, Shemita 10:8.
    Prozbul
    Heter iska
    Candle lighting fakery, shamelessly cutting the Shabbos in two halves,
    so you can still work on each day.
    Tying boxes to your head, to show the world how silly and absurd the God
    of Israel is, to demand such a thing. Did he ? I think you made it up,
    to make a mockery out of heaven and out of the Torah, to create hatred
    and loathing for the Torah. Most of you probably don't even know you are
    doing it, because you are idolatrous and worshiping some phony sages,
    who I assume have been payed for by the rich greedy and criminal to
    create their scams for you.

    Oh but Hillel was so nice ?

    The snake in paradise also talked nice to Eve / Chava, didn't he ? What
    a coincidence eh, the criminal puts up a show, where have we seen this
    before ? With Moshe Rabbeinu ? Nope ! Abraham ? Cutting down the idols
    of his father wasn't the best show of appearing to be nice and smooth
    with everyone, was it.


    etc etc etc .... what a lost people, what a dishonor they have created.
    I was thinking along this line: you Jewish people think it is great if
    you are good gentiles, if you are great gentiles. Wrong. You should be
    good Jews, not good gentiles. Good Jews. A good gentile is not good
    enough, because (especially the European gentiles, with all there
    confusion and shallow minds), they don't get it. You can be good
    according to their standards, you are still going to create hell on
    Earth because you don't do what you need to do. They don't have a clue
    about how much they are missing, how much they are failing. They think
    it is good enough to accept the current order and just be a good person
    in it, like friendly and generous. It is not good enough ! THis mess
    will go to hell. They do not resist the criminals enough, and they don't
    create the systems of society which are strong enough. It's not that
    they do everything wrong, certainly not. There is a lot of good
    happening. Unfortunately however, also thanks to you Israel not giving
    the example, it is not good enough.

    You think it is just business as usual that another bakery is going to
    bite the dust ? The bakery in my neighborhood is going down. If you
    think I write this because I like going there, just leave this article
    right now. It is an example of a broader problem. The rich greedy and
    criminal get bigger, and the ordinary person looses their medium to
    small businesses, so they can become servants. Everyone becomes
    servants, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and the middle
    evaporates. That is how this system of failed economics ends up working.
    There is no bases, no platform, for the ordinary person to have a life,
    because they are denied their land. These foolish Nations do not
    comprehend that land is everything. Native North American Indians, they
    do seem to understand (as one of the only people on Earth), but they get annihilated (perhaps also for that reason, as the criminals who of
    course also know it is all about land don't want that knowledge to
    spread; but it may be simpler in that the Native American Indians are
    difficult to make slaves out off - they are too much of an adult people,
    they know too much, they have too much courage and honor; if only they
    hadn't done so much violence, maybe it would be best for humanity if
    only those tribes survived).

    Israel, get your head out of your arse. NOW. Stop being the idiot you
    have been playing for all these centuries. Yes, IDIOT. Dishonorable
    fool, idiot, liar. Stop with it. Stop with your fakery of being
    civilized like the gentiles, stop wanting to be a "good gentile". You
    are supposed to be something far better than that: a GOOD JEW. A loyal,
    truth seeking, loving, kind and humble Jew. Someone who values the
    wisdom of the Torah, who knows everyone needs their right to land
    honored, and who is more than happy to explain it to the good gentiles
    once they are ready to be inspired.

    You would be a beacon of hope, a pillar of wisdom and strength, in this madhouse on Earth. That is what you are, and what you should immediately
    turn yourself into, RIGHT NOW. Stop being afraid of these gentiles.
    Unite with all that is good, and who can stop you ? If they stop you,
    this world isn't worth surviving in, then try to make an honorable end
    by being on the side of the truth and what is good to the end no matter
    what. Die with honor, we will all die anyway, and the rest is up to
    heaven - we don't control it, we only control our own behavior and if we
    did good, we can hope that we will also be treated good. That's all.

    What a lost people with their lost rituals. Silly rituals the whole day through, and then they think they are super duper loyal to "the Torah".

    Why do these 'chief Rabbis' dress in fancy clothes, by the way. I never
    heard about Moshe Rabbeinu put on a fancy dress like a King, to stand
    out from the rest as better and superior. Did he do that ? Put on fancy clothes, what does it mean ? Put on fancy clothes on someone else's
    shoulders, doesn't that mean you just clothed your own soul in kindness
    and love ? Aren't those the clothes you should want ? I mean, of course
    you need good clothes, and to look good, but why the over the top
    designs to stand out from the already perfectly dressed Rabbis and
    Orthodox people around you. Why the need for this. Oy oy oy and then
    they call themselves Royalty I heard.

    Ancient Egypt knew all about fancy dress. Why not go there and learn
    more about all this fashion, hmm ? Leave the Torah for those who really
    care, and go live in Egypt and put on your mascara and Kingly robes
    there for all to see. Make those Egyptians gape in awe at you, as you
    stride by in your gold and your black robes, a sight to behold ! What a
    great man !

    Leave the Torah then to the humble Jews in Yerushalayim, where the Peace
    wants to live. Where the people perhaps should live, who would sell a
    fancy jacket to buy two good ones, and give one away to a needy
    shoulder. What would Hashem like to see hmm ? You think Hashem, the
    Creator, that he is impressed with a jacket you didn't even make
    yourself ? Did you make those jackets ? Did you till the land or fed the animals, shorn the sheep and created the threads, woven the fabrics
    carefully and sewn it together ?

    Ohhh, you quoted from the liar Rambam, deluded the people with Hillel,
    and that's how you came to own your expensive jacket and hat. Ohhh so
    that's how you did it. Are you proud now, proud of your record ? Proud
    to have caused the exile with this ignorance you have spread ? The
    Jubilee, oh that isn't a necessity, only when all the Jews are in the
    land and even by tribe no less, only then might you think of it ? What's
    your next excuse to not hold the Jubilee, and keep the people away from
    the land that's theirs, that was promised to them. Who are you to break
    this promise.

    Well, you broke your own promises, and therefore heaven had to keep its
    own promises of bringing the curses upon you. Perhaps you would see and
    learn. Then make today that day where you will see and learn. If you are
    still alive, there must still be hope for you.

    The good gentiles need you, they are confused and cannot figure it out.
    They need you. You have to help them. They need to see you do it on a
    big scale, or they will not comprehend. They cannot understand words.
    They must see it, you must live it for them, and then they will start to comprehend and they will start to follow the same. From there on, the
    world will become a paradise. You think not ? Wrong, it will happen. The criminals ? Those are bunch of loosers, don't you understand ? A pain
    signal who can only live because ordinary decent people keep making too
    many mistakes, don't unite enough against them. Criminals are
    organizationally inherently weak, they don't produce, they cause harm.
    They are not a big threat. Your ignorance in the big threat.


    Etc etc etc yadda yadda yadda ... I better go back to playing my games
    of Weichi / Baduk / Go. WHat a lost people ,what a hard neck, what an idolators, and all this magical thinking with them. Many gentiles are
    already crazy enough, you following them is not necessary. lol You need
    to be good jews, and then the gentiles will also bring out the good and
    the great in themselves, and that should be our world. That is what
    humanity is supposed to be and become. The gentiles don't understand,
    they are somehow locked in their apathy and belief that nothing can
    improve much or at all. This is not the case, they are wrong. Humanity
    needs to change for the better, and make this change before they get too technological powerful (which has already happened now). It is a thing
    on a time crunch. Your job is to make sure that humanity will make it,
    make the necessary changes. They don't think it's possible, but you are
    that possibility. You are ... you are supposed to be that peace,
    Justice, and truth, and they will see it and hold it for an accomplished
    fact that humanity has changed, and soon they will say, of course
    humanity has improved itself, it couldn't have been any other way. That
    is how they function, they will just accept it as an immutable fact of
    reality. it will take some time and doing of course, hopefully not much
    longer than 3-5 centuries, but we shall see. It has to be earned of
    course, it has to be learned, it has to be real, heart felt, it has to
    work in a deeper sense. It is an historical process, it is an adventure.
    It is the future, it is a life worht living and having lived, it is
    happiness and satisfaction - and all that it is or isn't beyond that, if
    we cannot find the peace and the Justice, then all else will also fail.
    It is not worth the cost to find out what such a hell is like. Make a
    video game and experience hell if you want, but don't make it real. Make
    a movie, read a dystopian novel, have a nightmare, but don't make the
    worst a reality on Earth - life can already be hard enough without us
    humans trying to make it worse for no reason.

    Try to make it good for once, for no reason. Try it. Live for it, be it.
    Then you will perhaps find some true pride in yourself, in your accomplishments, I mean pride in the sense of confidence in life and in yourself, truly earned confidence, because you know you are good and you
    do good and you did good, and you want to be good and nothing but good.
    Ask your God to forgive you for not rebuking Hillel and Rambam, return
    to the truth. You want bagels ? Then you need peace. You want Challah or however this woven bread is called ? (I have a bread baking book here
    which I try to learn, which has your bread in it also.) You want some
    good wine ? You need to be alive, and to be alive you need the Peace and
    the Justice of the truth. You want to have a family, you want to see
    your son marry a good wife, you want to see their children get on their
    first bicicle and see them smile ? You need Peace, you need truth in
    life, in society, you need the criminals defeated, you need good people
    to be in charge and listened to. You want sick to be helped, really
    truly helped, so they can be happy again ? You need the peace, the peace
    of the truth, not the peace of the grave yard where the Tyrants have
    buried their victims.

    Isn't life full of all manner of things, an adventure ? Why then don't
    you embrace that, which is not your silly lying Rabbinical fake Torah
    with its rituals and its greed and hate economy. That is not it. They
    steal your land, and rob you fo your money if you are poor. That is not
    the Peace. The peace is to have your land, and to uphold your poor
    brother with an easy loan, even forgive the loan soon, and with charity
    of course also, but above all with land. Land is everything, land is the stability and fairness in the economy.

    Just like you have scales in a business (or you used to), and if it said
    "one weight of this will cost so much money", then the weight must be
    honest for that economy to function properly. Land in the hands of
    everyone is that balance & fairness in the economy, and if you don't
    understand that, then you have to start working on your understanding of
    these things, because they are not a little bit important, they are very important. If you don't understand how land needs to be treated, I don't
    think you are adult enough to function as a human being in the era of
    farming. You are effectively a primitive from the hunter gathering
    times, you still need to learn what it means to be a farming people, let
    alone having all this high end technology. THe high end technology does
    not function correctly, if the land is not distributed to all, if the
    lessons of farming have not been adequately learned first.

    This is also why humanity is so off the rails. They have not learned
    their farming lessons, which means they do not comprehend and practice
    how land needs to be handled in such an economy, and therefore things
    are going to go more and more out of allignment - I mean: the rich get
    richer for no good reason, and the poor get poorer, despite their best
    trying and hard work. Out of allignment. A sick society. A tyranny, a
    society at war with itself, a society run by criminals. Out of
    alligment. Understand ?

    I could go on and on still about the economics side of all this more,
    just so you know that you must understand how that works on your own.
    You can probably figure it out on your own, if you can get past some of
    the usual shallow misconceptions people have (I won't list them here
    again, since this already gets too long).

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  • From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to Jos Boersema on Thu Jan 16 10:32:34 2025
    On 2025-01-15, Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl> wrote:
    link: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1GU6dJ8diKI
    title: Connecting to Hashem | Rabbi Shepherd's purpose towards NON-JEWS
    "I Have Met Many Moshiach Seeking Redemption Through Different Paths source: @KingDavidKabbalah

    Reply ...

    Not a clue what this was about. However, the Rabbis have overthrown
    the Torah economy, causing the exile and leading Israel to death. You
    don't want to correct yourselves, so there should not be a Redemption
    for the Rabbis I guess. You made your choices, consequences befitting
    them will have to be the result. I don't know why you are so hard necked
    and dishonest, but if that's your choice, then so be it. Nobody can live
    your lives for you.

    * End reply.

    There was an answer to this from that channel, saying something about
    how we should love humanity and bring them closer to the creator ...
    etc. I'm sorry if this sounds hostile from me when I say: it looks to me
    that the Rabbi bit down on the comment with a reply, because for once I
    didn't put in any detail or sources to look up, which clearly proof the
    point already. It seems to me they ignore my complaint, because they
    know or feel they will loose the argument in public. Now however, they
    may have thought that I had no sources and where just making the usual
    vague statements you see from everywhere on the Internet (especially
    gentiles I have to say, less so Jewish people). So, they may have bitten
    down on this comment, thinking it could not go wrong for them. Now
    however I could reply with the content and the sources, and I guess they
    are now stuck because since they replied once, why would they withhold
    their comments a second time when it gets detailed ?

    I foresee 2 hostile strategies for the Rabbis here: ignore it as usual,
    in the hope people will turn away without caring (it works, so long as
    the Rabbis stay in charge and are seen as the authority). The other
    strategy would be to overwhelm the reader with all manner of sources and difficult talk, so that the third parties (the Jewish people) would be
    so overwhelmed and confused by it, that they think they are unable to understand these issues at all, and just give up and give in to their idolatrous nature of worshiping the presumed authority. That itself is
    again against the Torah (because the Torah is in your hand, you
    understand it and can do it, that itself is in the Torah explicitly).

    Less hostile strategies would be to reply clearly with a meaningful
    argument. Even if wrong, because now we can all bite down on that and
    chew on it. That would be honest I guess. A clear debate is good, I
    would welcome it !

    Last but not least, admission of the wrong by the Rabbi, Teshuvah has
    begun, ISrael is returning to the Torah, and will soon de Redeemed,
    apparently forever hopefully. Hopefully the Rabbis can still play a
    meaningful role in all of this, to earn their rights and good people,
    loyal to the Torah.

    If you find it presumptuous what I write, that means you probably don't
    have a clue about what I am writing, and are reacting to all these
    things with idolatry and emotions. You'd be a mindless person, who
    probably does not belong in the Redemption one way or the other, for
    reason of low intelligence and lack of honesty and care and humility. I insulted your idols, so you create hatred out of that, rather than care
    & precision around the truth, a service which I'm basically doing for
    you here because you refused to do it yourselves.

    If I'm wrong, then fine you can be angry about that, but then you would
    have the understanding of the topic in mind, and not any silly idolatry
    to "wonderful and worshipful authorities who may not be questioned". See
    what I mean ?

    Reply ...

    @KingDavidKabbalah Thank you for your reply. Let me first wish you a
    long happy and healthy life.

    I have 4 questions, but I will ask them one by one so that you can think
    & respond for as long as you wish, and we can debate the details if
    you like in various ways. All 4 questions are about the Torah economy:
    land ownership, loans, rest. It is clear to me at least, that Rabbinical Judaism has overthrown the Torah economy. I am asking you to do Teshuvah
    over this, if you haven't already. I also like to ask you to consider
    how Moshe Rabbeinu and Abraham where _rebels_ against the existing order
    of their day. Abraham destroyed the idols in his father's shop, Moshe
    Rabbeinu killed an abusive Egyptian guard. Going along to get along is not
    the essence of the Torah. You may have to be the first among your own to
    turn toward the truth, and oppose the entire world on your own. Also,
    Israel is in exile for a reason. Rabbinical Judaism, in my opinion,
    is that reason. I can explain exactly why, if given the time.

    I want to start simple. Do you want to do Teshuvah over the prozbul. If
    yes, perhaps you have just started the Redemption.

    The prozbul is a device, by which the court of justice (Beit Din)
    _pretends_ that a loan becomes a _verdict of a court_ and is "therefore"
    (ahum ahum!) not nullified to the poor Jewish person (the debtor) by
    the creditor (another Jewish person). A loan is not a court verdict in a
    matter of a civil dispute between two persons, or a matter of criminal
    or other law (a dispute between the system of Justice in general, and
    someone who broke its laws, so to say). A loan is a loan, money afforded
    to someone else for a given time, to be payed back later.

    The Torah has law about loans, declaring the loan must be *nullified*
    in the 7th year, which is a commonly counted year of course. The Torah
    goes on at length about this. It even goes as far as to say the Jewish
    people may not withhold their loans when the 7th year approaches. See
    Dewariem 15, the text is clear, there is no doubt possible.

    The _prozbul_ is a device apparently made up by Hillel the Elder (whose
    clan was apparently in charge of the Sanhedrin, close to or during the
    time the Romans destroyed the 2nd Temple, which is not exactly a good sign
    for them). It was apparently made up because the rich where refusing to
    lend to the poor (or so I have read). Instead of forcing the rich to do
    their duties under the Torah, they seem to have altered the law in such a
    way that the rich may now demand the money back after the 7th year. The
    reason they gave for this was not from the Torah. They said that this
    "made the world beautiful". That is not a quote from the Torah, that is something they invented themselves. Beautiful for whom ? For the rich, or
    for the poor ? The rich should have been forced to do their duty. If they
    had continue to refuse their duties, you may have gone as far as expelling them, banishing them. Instead, they have pretended to alter the Torah. It wasn't long after, or Israel its Sovereignty completely collapsed.

    The Beit Din (Court of Justice) is there to _enforce_ these laws, not to
    play a part in breaking them. The case is clear I believe. The Beit Din
    has become corrupt. The prozbul is also listed in the Shulchan Aruch,
    number 180. (I have a Shulchan Aruch here, but I became so upset with
    this organized crime activity by the Rabbis, that I tore off those pages,
    so it became a bit difficult now to see where it was. Sorry about that.)

    My question is hence, do you wish to step in the footsteps of Abraham
    and Moshe Rabbeinu, and find the courage to do Teshuvah over the prozbul.

    We can also discuss this more if you like, especially in terms of the rationality of the economics, because the Rabbis have _not_ based this
    on the Torah, but on their own philosophical muzings and invented ideas
    (they who did this, are reformers and go outside of the Torah, which we
    see Hillel also do in his famous saying about standing on one leg, where
    he thinks he can summarize the entire Torah under some philosophical
    principle which _itself_ is not in the Torah (!)). _Do not do to your
    neighbor that which is hateful to you_ is not a direct quote from the
    Torah, but it appears to be a form of philosophical thought (not entirely without merrit though, but still, it is not the Torah). The Torah says:
    love your neighbor as yourself, and God above all.

    If you want to do Teshuvah, then I wish you good luck with this and we
    can quickly move on to the next topic ! For example the Jubilee on land
    (see Rambam Shemita 10:8). I wish you good luck with your Teshuvah, and
    that you may pull out the entire Nation of Israel out of their confusion
    and into the Redemption, speedily in your days.

    * End reply.
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  • From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to Jos Boersema on Fri Jan 17 13:18:06 2025
    On 2025-01-16, Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl> wrote:
    On 2025-01-15, Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl> wrote:
    link: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1GU6dJ8diKI
    title: Connecting to Hashem | Rabbi Shepherd's purpose towards NON-JEWS
    "I Have Met Many Moshiach Seeking Redemption Through Different Paths >> source: @KingDavidKabbalah

    Reply ...

    Not a clue what this was about. However, the Rabbis have overthrown
    the Torah economy, causing the exile and leading Israel to death. You
    don't want to correct yourselves, so there should not be a Redemption
    for the Rabbis I guess. You made your choices, consequences befitting
    them will have to be the result. I don't know why you are so hard necked
    and dishonest, but if that's your choice, then so be it. Nobody can live
    your lives for you.

    * End reply.

    There was an answer to this from that channel, saying something about
    how we should love humanity and bring them closer to the creator ...
    [...]

    Reply ...

    @KingDavidKabbalah Thank you for your reply. Let me first wish you a
    long happy and healthy life.

    I have 4 questions, but I will ask them one by one so that you can think
    & respond for as long as you wish, and we can debate the details if
    you like in various ways. All 4 questions are about the Torah economy:
    land ownership, loans, rest. It is clear to me at least, that Rabbinical Judaism has overthrown the Torah economy. I am asking you to do Teshuvah
    over this, if you haven't already. I also like to ask you to consider
    how Moshe Rabbeinu and Abraham where _rebels_ against the existing order
    of their day. Abraham destroyed the idols in his father's shop, Moshe Rabbeinu killed an abusive Egyptian guard. Going along to get along is not the essence of the Torah. You may have to be the first among your own to
    turn toward the truth, and oppose the entire world on your own. Also,
    Israel is in exile for a reason. Rabbinical Judaism, in my opinion,
    is that reason. I can explain exactly why, if given the time.

    I want to start simple. Do you want to do Teshuvah over the prozbul. If
    yes, perhaps you have just started the Redemption.
    [...]

    Well, they seem to deploy the silence weapon again, although you never
    know if they will still do Teshuvah and reply in a good way.

    Since Israel is apparently even worse hard necked that I have already experienced, I am starting to believe that the Redemption cannot work
    even with a 1 in 20 selection. At first when I made my proposal, it was completely obvious to me that anyone who was willing can join, and that
    is still the case in a general sense. However we are now talking about
    Israel, and also the Torah, and they are supposed to Redeem themselves *forever*. They are *never* supposed to collapse again. That is a rather
    high standard. It starts to feel to me that this is not going to be
    possible with this people, even not with the 5% best of them. What do
    you think ? The obstinacy just continues, the lying about the Torah just continues, bold and in-your-face (my face in this case).

    I decided to ask them what they think about only 1%, or perhaps the
    Redemption will be given to the Karaites ? What do you think ?

    Reply ...

    @KingDavidKabbalah Do you also think it may be better at this point, if
    the Redemption is only going to happen for say 1% of the Jewish people,
    rather than the perhaps too hopefull idea of 5% ? Rabbis can obviously
    not be part of the Redemption. You made your choices to be enemies of
    the Torah and enemies of heaven for so long, and you earned so much
    prestige and money doing it, you have had your rewards, the rewards that
    you wanted. Such people cannot make a peaceful society a reality.

    I still however had the hope that 5% could make it, under the idea that
    the Nazis killed a third, and then the next holocaust (again caused by
    the Rabbis, as usual, because they break the Torah and this activates
    the curses section in the Torah) will kill 7 times a third, equals 95%
    killed. Since as usual there is no reply to a request to return to the
    truth (the Torah economy at least), i am starting to think that it is
    so bad with the Jewish people, that there may not even be 5% who want
    to be honest and caring enough, to be reliable permanent residents in
    a Sovereign Israel as Redeemed and back in a good State. Do you also
    think that 1% is better perhaps, or to only allow the Karaites to form
    the Redemption, since they may not be guilty over following Hillel and
    Rambam or the Sun Disk idol 'Lamp of Helena' ?

    The idea of 1% comes from one claim that the Nazis didn't just kill
    a third, but half. 7 times a half would mean that the next round of
    punishment, 7 times worse, could end up killing 99%.

    * End reply.

    Also of course, once the Redemption is a success and it is obvious,
    nobody can join anymore, no matter how sincere your Teshsuvah becomes.
    You can then only get in maybe in your next life, if heaven gives you
    that life. The whole thing is becoming something above human capability
    to create. We humans cannot just select 1% of a people, and make sure
    these are the best ones. Heaven can do that, and this basically being a religion acknowledging the Creator and assuming and even expecting its interference, then within that logic that can still be a reality, or at
    least something you can think.

    I hope with this, that any Jewish people reading this, might realize how
    bad the situation with them is. They should also not think that the
    longer the Redemption is postponed, the easier it may be for them to get
    in, because apparently the good people to already make it happen are
    lacking. It is rather the reverse: because the good people to already
    make it happen are lacking, the bar for any other person to get in as
    well is getting higher not lower. The lower the overall level of Israel,
    the higher the bar becomes for the ones on the worse side to still get
    in, because the moral carrying capacity of the group who is making the Redemption is lower.

    If morality is something which floats up, and bad behavior goes down,
    and you have 100 persons of varying weight / buoyancy, and you try to
    make a group from the most buyoant down to the least, which is still
    going to float up as a group, then you can reach lower levels of
    moral people to still manage to latch on and float up together, if there
    are more boyant people. They will be able to pull up an amount of people
    who still have things to learn, or a lot to learn, however you want to
    put it. If the top buoyant people are not that good already, then with
    30 of them they can perhaps lift up together just one more person who
    might otherwise not be able to go up on his own. If you have 80 very
    beoyant people, they might be able to have a great society (going up)
    even with the remaining 20 persons being a part of it (and if there are
    actual criminals among them, they would just deal with that themselves correctly and take those people out themselves). The lower the level of
    the people of Israel in general, the lower the amount and level of the
    good in Israel, the fewer of the worse part of the people is likely to
    make it to the Redemption, because the people who on balance have a
    negative influence cannot be suffered without causing the destruction
    of that people sooner or later.

    This is how I would look at it, as a task to be completed. This is quite
    the opposite of gentile group instincts, who will probably tell them: if everyone is bad, I can also be bad, and nothing too bad should happen to
    me because I don't stand out. They think that if there is a lot of bad,
    that their bad will not hurt them as much anymore. This assumes there is
    no group of people who wants to do a lot better now, to whom they should
    want to belong. This is where the REdemption then would be different, in
    that there does come about a group of people who want to do better. It
    is then also not the case that if this group is worse, then worse people
    can join it because they would be more in line with this group and thus
    be similar. While this is the way humans would indeed behave, if this is
    Israel and this Redemption needs to be forever, this is not a casual
    event in history. It would be a really tense and studied event, not
    casual and not by chance (if I understand this culture correctly). The
    cut will then have to be made, there where this group can manage
    themselves *forever*. This never happened on Earth basically, that a
    Nation could be at peace and Justice without going through all kinds of
    wars and upheavels, for many thousands of years (as a sort of equavalent
    for what we humans already may call, forever, which is much longer still).
    If the cut is then to be made, there where it can make the bar
    "forever", if the overall group is worse, the cut may have to be made
    faster, and fewer worse people can still make it. See my logic ?

    The purpose of arguing these things, is that you may get a sense of
    necessary urgency. The purpose of that is not to make you become good
    only so that things will go faster, but in the end everyone will make it
    fine, like some pep talk. The purpose is more like that once you have
    failed and will never get in, when you realize you ruined yourself
    perhaps forever, that we can than have peace with your failure in the
    knowledge that you already knew what was potentially going to happen
    with you. Understand ? Do you understand how severe all these things may
    end up being, for you personally ? If not, that is on you. If you want
    to gamble with your long term or even forever existence, that is on
    you. I warn you not to do it, but do the good you can, and leave the
    rest up to heaven and have good hopes all will be fine. If you want to
    gamble with your existence and do bad things and be an uncaring
    obstinate person ... you may find yourself at some point in a very
    difficult place, where there is none to help you, and none is coming.

    You have been warned. I warn you ahead of time, long before the Nazi
    Fascist Trump was elected (elected by Jewish people even, can you
    believe it). Long before World War 3 was even on the table in the minds
    of the ordinary people (who understand nothing). 2014 was the start of
    that war (Russia vs USA, which USA tries to make into a war between East
    and West Europe again, becaus that's what they do but they will probably
    be a big part of it themselves in the end, and that's probably also what
    their top criminals want). Etc etc.

    You chose to follow this evil, you have been asked to stop following the majority into evil. What evil ? Rambam SHemita 10:8, prozbul, heter
    iska, and breaking the Shabbos in two. You didn't want to listen. I
    spelled out the logic of the natural consequences many times. You didn't
    want to listen. I gave you the Torah quotes many times. You didn't want
    to listen. Then when you are being destroyed, don't count on anyone
    caring to listen to these hardnecked dishonest and disloyal people, who
    chose war and injustice for themselves as the way they wanted to live.
    Then have your own wishes come true upon yourself, and accept what it
    will mean without complaining (it will probably mean death for most of
    you, I'm sorry to say).

    Are you happy because you are certainly a "good gentile" ? Sorry, not
    good enough. As a gentile Nation, I'm very happy we have Jews in our
    land, the more the better. If they are nothing more than "good gentiles"
    rather than what they should be "good Jews", that is still good for us,
    it still helps us, because we have a lot of "not so good gentiles" here
    as well, never mind the evil ones.

    You may then think, you are doing good. Don't the 'reform' or whatever
    talk about 'Tikkun Olam' or something ? Is this what they mean ? Well,
    it's wrong. The Torah is the Tikkun Olam, the gentiles need to see you
    do the Jubilee, so they can stop destroying themselves with their
    selling of land. How oddly specific, how oddly technical ? Yes it is
    also about technical things, economics. You better get used to it,
    because it is about important aspects of society, and it is not about
    your silly Kabbalah blablah mumbojumbo wizzardry make belief stories.
    Reality. Get it ? Suffering through poverty, suffering through war.
    Reality, the things adults are supposed to deal with, to set it right. Criminals, child abuse, massacres, hunger, disease, corruption,
    thieving, lying by people with power. Things that matter.

    Get your head out of your arses and live, be "good Jews", meaning you
    are doing your Torah, but even above that of course, to have a heart. I
    rather go with someone with a heart who knows zero Torah, than someone
    who knows all the Torah there is, but doesn't have the heart, doesn't
    have the caring heart. Heart is first, but technical details are also
    important (my opinion). If the heart (I mean a loving soul who cares) is
    good, then the rest can always be learned relatively easily, like if you
    wanted to learn sailing, you can do it, but if you don't want to learn
    sailing than all the boats in the world might not be enough to make you
    a good sailor. If you really wanted to learn how to sail even though you
    live in a desert, you might eventually succeed. The will is important,
    the will to be good. IN that sense it is not about the technical
    details, but then again the love & care from the heart finds its way
    into caring about details of life, such as to afford that loan, such as
    to feel for the business who goes bust because of the cost of the
    mortgage on the land, and so on. It can also be the will of a soldier to
    save someone in trouble, to run through the fire and get them out, but
    this love and care then also translates itself into the details. You
    want to get them out, therefore you focus on how to run, where to hide,
    how to shoot back.

    Mumbo jumbo buys me nothing, mumbo jumbo Sefiroth Klipoth ? Doesn't get
    me a peaceful city, doesn't get food in the stomach of a hungry child
    whose father isn't getting paid enough.

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  • From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 21 11:47:11 2025
    link: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1GU6dJ8diKI
    title: Connecting to Hashem | Rabbi Shepherd's purpose towards NON-JEWS
    "I Have Met Many Moshiach Seeking Redemption Through Different Paths >>> source: @KingDavidKabbalah

    Surprisingly the Rabbi (or at least this channel), plussed and gave a
    heart to the first comment. I wonder if the Redemption just started, but
    we shall see ...

    Reply ...

    Hello again, sorry I replied before my turn already. I have debated
    these issues since 2008 and never get any replies whatsoever, so I
    already assumed the worst again. Sorry about that, because I see you
    have plussed my comment, which is quite surprising.

    Anyway, I hope than that you agree with Moshe Rabbeinu: the loan is
    nullified in the 7th year, for the poor brother Jew who cannot reasonably repay. There are no ways around it, and there should not be. The poor
    need their help and solidarity. The rich need to be toned down sometimes
    and stop being too greedy. Prozbul is invalid, and with it the Shulchan
    Aruch becomes _non kosher_ and I-don't-know-how-many other Rabbinical
    books and sources unfortunately also become invalidated or at least
    until they are cleaned up. I suggest we start on this right now.

    It may be interesting to know (if you do not) that it is apparently said somewhere, that after the Redemption the rulings will go to the house of Shammai, away from Hillel that is. Another interesting aspects is with
    the Islam, who takes a severe issue with Jewish loan policies. Whatever
    of this may be, the Islam is all around Israel. Islam will then also be
    a bit friendlier to the Jewish people, hopefully.

    To go to the next topic then, Jubilee, the right to land. I was already imagining a whole explanation of why people need the right to land (but
    maybe you already know why), arguing how value is created from work and everyone needs land as a starting point¹. The Earth is not make by humans,
    and therefore it doesn't work in a trading system. Selling the land _in perpetuity_ centralizes the control over land, creating a society at
    war with itself. Rambam writes in Shemita 10:8 that when the 2 tribes
    left the Jubilee stopped, but seems to argue that this was correct. I
    want to argue that this was _not_ correct, they (neither of them) had
    the right to stop the Jubilee, the return of the land. Rambam says that
    "all of Israel needs to be in the land" but that is not what the Torah
    says there. The Torah says, the Jubilee needs to be proclaimed to all the inhabitants. There seems to be an obvious reason for that: people need
    to know, so they can reclaim their land. It is easy to forget something
    which happens every 50th year, especially when it involves reclaiming
    land which is profitable to someone else.

    Rambam is hence wrong. This means Rambam is _not kosher_ (!). I realize
    what this means, but truth is truth. There is no Redemption without people having their right to land honored. It just doesn't work, such an economy
    is a failure. We see these failed economies now all over the world, and
    it causes war, as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The rich
    want even more, and they want to give the poor something to do and get
    rid of them, when the poor grow restless, which they will when things
    go too far for them, which is the natural consequences of markets in land.

    The Torah is clear and good. Israel messed it up and went into exile
    for it. Let's get back to the truth, create the Redemption, and we can
    all live happy ever after hopefully (God willing). Have a good week &
    thanks for your interest.

    * End reply.

    Notes.
    1. I wanted to write that now there was no space in the comment box
    anymore due to ranting about the prozbul already, but forgot to add
    that statement.

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