title: How to identify MOSHIACH
source: @pinchastaylor
link: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6tas-pOXjfI

Reply ...

If you follow Rambam / Maimodines, that could mean you will be banished
or sit in some prison in Israel when the Redemption has happened. Is
this what you are looking for ? Why do you care about the Redemption,
since you oppose the Torah. Is this a game of the Rabbis, where they
hype up Israel about 'moshiach' but they continue to oppose the Torah,
so that Israel will again be punished (7 times worse, last time was the
Nazis), and then they can turn it all around and try to argue with the
Jewish people that the Torah has betrayed them and the Prophets where
wrong ? Maybe I am overthinking it. What is your purpose, since your
purpose is _not_ the Torah. is it all just short term money making and
prestige pestering, because this kind of talk just happens to work on
the Jewish people for now ? Anyway, here you have overthrown the Torah,
and it is multiple death penalties if I read that law correctly: Rambam
Shemita 10:8, prozbul, heter iska, breaking the Shabbos in two (phony day change moment). You broke down the Torah economy, so it was for the sake
of greed, for the Plutocracy, which is how all Nations seem to die (see
Rome for an extreme example, but nowadays the whole world is suffering
from this ill again). Greed, lawlessness and greed, you could call it
_baseless hatred_ if you like. Hence the question, why do you care,
since you oppose the Torah. What's in it for you, other than prison or
worse ? What is the game you Rabbis are trying to pull here

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I see this comment on the video now. Sometimes I do not, but when a post
is made in this format here, it always means I posted the comment which
I am quoting here. Whether or not you see it is another matter
(censorship, behind my back. It is a dishonest practice, which they conduct under the guise of their 'community rules' and probably some claims to
unkind vocabulary; this practice hurts many people all over the Internet).

Israel and the Rabbis have such a completely *gentile* view on what the Redemption and 'moshiach' is supposed to be. It is all about the usual
dictator / kings for them, Kings and Dictators like the Nations have,
and their obsession with grandiosity (heh), like palaces and big temples
and festivals and things that impress and overwhelm. It's the thing an
idolator wants.'

I was thinking a few days ago along the lines of ... that the essence
of the Redemption will be someone in the street coming over for a chat
and a cup of tea.

No second sentence there, sorry. That's it. A friendly chat, perhaps a
decision is made about something to do with some other people in the
area, to do some good locally. Temples, Kings, Palaces, Supreme courts,
armies ... that is something for TV or even the history books, but not
what real life for most people is about every day. Every day life is not
a huge spectacle or a festival. Real life however, for all the people,
is what it is all about.

They talk of the Temple, while I talk about the right to land for all.

You see the difference in place and size ? They think they talk about
something big, I guess. I think what I am talking about, is incomparably
bigger still, yet it concerns one person: you. It concerns every single
person in a thorough and meaningful way, because owning land is a big
thing for a person. When all people are owning land, this is a huge
thing for that Nation, even for the world at large. It is big, and small
at the same time, I guess.

This is the difference in focus here. The idolator focusses on the King,
or the center of power, on the top alpha monkey, on the top criminals so
to say (Nations usually have a great influence from criminals who
managed to get super rich). I want to focus on loans for the poor as a principle, which then again touches everyone their lives. Temples,
palaces ? Who cares, I really don't. I guess there needs to be a
Government and a Supreme Court and they need a building too, but such
issues are not the essence of it. If those Palaces do not maintain good
law, it is all completely useless and even damaging.

Who upholds the law ? If it doesn't come out of the people to a large
degree, I don't see how the law can be upheld for long. THis also, the
power of law which comes out of the supreme court, it really still comes
from the population. They have to suppor it, or it will likely collapse
under corruption and delusions.

Hence the point becomes: they think that the mess they have created,
will be good enough, and it merely needs a cherry on top called the Hous
of David and some palace, and this King will be nice and do enough
charity to make Jews think well of this person. They probably think this
will be the Redemption, but it will be similar to ancient Egypt, rebuild
in Yerushalayim.

What is necessary here is to return to the right to land for all, and a functioning economy (at the very least), with enough kindness to prevent
too much poverty, and enough wisdom to also stop the Plutocracy and the
greed of the rich from forming on the other end. The economy is so much
bigger than some silly palace or temple. The 3rd Temple is a speck of
dust dust compared to the entire economy. If good laws are maintained
with or without that Temple, you are set, you can live in paradise. The
other way around, if you have a beautiful Temple and all the rituals are
done correctly, but the laws in the Nation are a mess, that place will
be horrible, and no amount of kindness from some King can likely change
that much or at all.

You remember that when Israel left Egypt, it was all the time about the
people. What are the people doing. Are they complaining, are they
learning, are they agreeing, are they loyal, is there a thieve between
them, and so on. Do they have courage. IT was not a story of some hero
who leads the people to safety, and it doesn't even matter if the people
are good or not so good, or what they think - which is how these stories
are usually written and how they might even usually happen. It is all
about the people, and we see the great hero of the story Moshe Rabbeinu,
he doesn't even make it to the end, but his *laws* do, and it is all
about these laws. IT is all about if the people in general keep to these
laws or not, and to what extend.

You see how different this is, from the idolatrous clammoring for Kings
or 'moshiach' or Temples. The Torah is about the things that matter, the
people as a whole, so much bigger than some Temple or even one city.

You cannot be Redeemed, it is a technical impossibility, so long as you
keep following these Rabbinical frauds with their Rambam and Hillel. You
are the ones who become a mess, you become the dirt that doesn't want to
clean itself, you become unfit and incapable of handling life in what
might be a situation of peace (as you have now shown already even
explicitly in Eretz Yisroel, where you should already have conducted
two Jubilees on land, yet you conducted none, not even an initial one,
so this whole thing you are doing over there, is complete treason to the Torah).

You are the problem Israel, and there is no King or Temple who can fix
that for you. You the people are what it is all about, and you the
people are so much bigger and more powerful than any Temple or King. But
can't God fix it, isn't he the agent of this Temple ?

You want to die ? Under the Torah, your entire people is pretty much
under multiple death sentences, the Rabbis perhaps first. Your ruining
of the Shabbis with this fake day change moment is an explicit death
sentence, but your ruining of the Jubilee is even worse (in my opinion),
and now you are guilty over this even in this generation explicitly.
What would you then expact from your God, if he was this all powerful
agent of the Torah (which of course he is) ? To strike down the
evildoers with extra natural forces ? If that where to happen, you all
die, then you almost all die, is that what you want ? Is this what you
are hoping for ?

I think the reason you are still alive, is that there may be some people between you, who at least have the capacity to be sorry and feel ashamed
of having done so much damage. Wasn't this why Adam and Eve also where
spared, that they where ashamed of what they had done ? To be ashamed,
implies that there is hope for a correction. If you have no shame over
how you ruined the Torah and caused so much damage that way, then what
other could an all powerful agent of the Torah do, when executing the
laws of the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu upon this people, than give them the
death penalty because that is the punishment for these crimes ? What do
you want ?

What you want is to be an idolator, where your phony god has no power,
but it just makes you feel good, and you don't get executed for breaking
all the laws you want. That's what you want, isn't it. It is not the Redemption, that is not the Torah. You have to change yourself and as a
people, and then you can be adults who maintain their own laws and
lives, and that is what we are supposed to be and deal with. Then we are perhaps closer to a completed creation. You have to do that yourself,
and we have that capacity in spades to do it. You have to want it, and
do what's needed to get there, and then you will be there and it will be operational. It isn't even that difficult.

Hence, because it is doable and perhaps even relatively easy, and also rewarding if we did it ourselves, we should do it ourselves, and it
becomes theft if some God did this for us, if the Creator did all this
for us, when we can do it all ourselves quite easily, and make it our
own. THat would be theft of adventure, of life, of growing up as human
adults. Your God is not a thieve, even if humanity is a thieve,
otherwise he could have set the world right already by his own force of
will. That would be theft, because it should be our work, our enjoyment,
our fullfilling, to do all this. To live through the highs and lows of
this experience, of the successes and the failures.

This also means, that if you continue to refuse, you will destroy
yourselves, and you will apparently need that lesson in the severity of existence. To take things more seriously next time, if there will be a
next time. If you don't want to do it, then you don't want to become a
human being on Earth (talking about the broadest sense of the moral task
of humanity). Why would a God who gave the Torah help such creatures,
when they have already been provided with so much help ? The existence
of the Creation is already the help, but on top of that Moshe Rabbeinu
wrote down the Torah. How easy does God have to make it for humans ?
This is becoming ridiculous. Not doing a good job or even trying, isn't
about not being able, it is about not *wanting*. It is about not wanting justice and peace, it is about wanting to be evil and to be an animal.

Then don't be surprised if this world will be returned to the animals,
because that is apparently what humanity wanted.

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