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Why was the economy not crashed *before* Trump ?
The ruling class criminals seem to have had the perfect setup for the
future: Joe Biden the fall guy "sleepy Joe" would be president when the
economy crashes (the debt crisis implodes on itself, etc), and then so
many people will be hurt in their private lives that they would throw
all their rage and blood lust behind the evil and insane Fascist
dictator of the day (now Trump), and launch World War 3 to take their
revenge on whomever would soothe them with the sound of their crying.
World War 3, nuking the world and its large cities is a serious thing,
which likely requires a large amount of irrational rage to get it done.
Perhaps I'm the only one who makes this a problem, but for now at least
I do not understand the ruling class program. If anyone knows why they
perhaps want to crash the economy under Trump, let me know. It isn't
that there aren't solutions for this, but why wouldn't they take this
"shot for open goal" ? Why wouldn't they make it easy on themselves.
They could drop a nuke on New York City, blame China or Russia, and then mobilize the anger. I guess that would work, but you still have the risk
that people could say: no nukes where dropped on us when Joe Biden was
the sock puppet of the international crime syndicates, but now they did
under Trump, so we blame Trump for causing this as well.
For now the best answer I can come up with is: they made a mistake, and
it is going to cost them, perhaps dearly. They had the perfect chance to mobilize Fascism in America, wage war and kill millions of people around
the world (looking at it from organized crime perspective, who are in
control over America of course, and many other countries if not
basically all of them, at least on important strategic issues of
economics and war). It was not going to be a big problem to have the
Trump Fascist cause a massive amount of damage in the world. World War 3
would certainly do that, if they will have it again under a Fascist
dictator as they did in World War 2.
This death & destruction should easily be enough motivation to snap the
world into anti-Fascist mode again, and get a demagogue like Obama (or one
of the people they are undoubtedly grooming right now in their schools)
back in power, to entrench some kind of new Empire, or whatever they can
get away with at the time. It doesn't seem necessary to blame Trump for
the financial crash to get the madness of someone like Obama going
again. Did they make a mistake ? Are we now in a state of hubris (a well
known concept of ruling class failure, typically during a period of
decadence and leading into a period of collapse of an Empire) ? Are they loosing touch with reality, do they think they can get away with
whatever they want, and they don't need to play a perfect game anymore ?
The risk they seem to have created now, is that more people will become sceptical about Trump when / if the economy crashes under Trump, and
then you can get a certain combination of ideologies in the opposition,
which is more balanced. People who are more to the right (say), would be
more sceptical of Trump, and combine more easily with people who are
naturally against Fascism / Capitalism (not to be confused with a market economy, something especially Americans as they exist now will probably
never understand). This could then become a movement of sorts, a
political potential at least, which is more balanced than it otherwise
would have been. People more to the center right would have held more
illusions regarding Trump if the economy was crashed already, and the
people on the (far) left would become more insane when they are not
balanced by people who have other ideas (even though both groups are potentially equally shallow). When there is a certain combination of
forces who are contradicting each other to a degree, it can lead to a
richer and deeper more serious movement. Less insane, less one
dimensional, more nuanced. This could become dangerous for the ruling
class in the end, because this combination group will then take more
exception against demagogues such as Obama.
Hence the ruling class has then potentially thrown sand on their machine
to both ends. Both the Fascist with Trump could become less savage and
crazy because Trump may have an amount of blame assigned to him even by
his own supporters (section thereof), and then later when they may want
to go in the opposite extreme with a demagogue like Obama, the previous momentum created against Trump by some of his own supperters will then
also work against this Obama madness (or whomever they will put on the
stage to play the role of the left wing dictator, someone like Marx or
Lenin); where they may be wanting to put in their insane Basic Income totalitarian control system into action.
Hence, I do not understand what they are doing, even if in the end they
may be getting away with it anyway. It does not seem to be a perfect
political game for them, or there are other unknown factors which have
caused them to make this decision ? Perhaps I am seeing everything
completely wrong.
For the direction I am promoting, all this is of course good news, if it
leads to less radicalism and a more pluriform movement or feeling among
the masses, because both the Left and the Right (which are words who
have no more meaning in American it looks like, but let's say how these
words still had meaning up to perhaps 1980 or so) have some good points
which are both needed, and which both hook into the proposal here (see signature). We can hope then, that the ruling class is in a state of
hubris, and that this is perhaps a first sign that they are loosing
control and loosing touch with playing a tight game. When the people are
then eventually perhaps completely demoralized by this ruling class,
hopefully they will finally want to get serious about things, or a small minority among them at least. With enough luck, some good may still
happen.
Other factors which may play into it ...
- Ruling class not ready yet with centralizing control before they want
to crash the economy / launch the hot phase of global nuclear war.
- Ruling class getting scared for their own insane plans, delaying it.
- Internal struggle in the ruling class.
- They think they have so much control, it doesn't matter how / when
they crash the economy.
- Other / unknown.
- This whole argument is completely off and wrong, or what are you even
talking about.
- Nothing might matter after World War 3 global nuclear war, including
this issue.
- The plan is to make the Fascist rule a lot longer, and when Trump
takes the blame another Fascist will take over ? I don't know,
completely making things up at this point.
The issue is: Hitler is the play book, Hitler was the scam that worked.
This is likely what the ruling class wants to recreate, and what you can
see them recreating. The economy crashed in a serious way, 1924 hyper
inflation and 1929 Great Depression, *before* Hitler took over in 1933.
Trump the Fascist dictator more or less in the mold of Mussolini, has
now taken over officially and seems to be doing his purge of the State
(project 2025). Although 2008 was a crisis, nothing really happened on
the street level, while in 1924 things did happen on street level in
Germany. There has not yet been hyper inflation accross the world, but
the Fascist Dictator (or whom we can assume has that role, concidering
his loathsome behavior). This is where the idea comes from that there is
this play book, and that they have now gone off script from it.
My best guess at this point is, that it is hubris and they are loosing
touch with reality, overplaying their hand and that it is will indeed
cost them in the end. We shall see ...
While Americans may be hurting, it doesn't seem to compare to the levels
of suffering in Germany, when people also just generally had less in
terms of material wealth, and so to have even less because of an
economic crisis, it hurts more, leading to more anger, and then the
anger leads to more insanity and rage. World War 1 also had just created
a lot of suffering, which is not comparable with an American war today.
With the American Fascist movement, you see groups who have all the
money to make their clothes match each other, and tattoo their bodies
all over. It seems to be more of an expression of decadence and decay,
than an expression of suffering boiling over into the rage which seems to
have been the force behind the World War 2 Nazis in Germany. Undoubtedly
there is a lot of homelessness and poverty in the USA, but is it enough
to mobilize it for something as bad as the Nazis did, but now under
Trump ? Why didn't they make it a lot worse for the common people,
when they seem to have this opportunity, and World War 3 is on a hair
trigger now with Ukraine and the middle east, so what is the problem ?
They have the covering of war, and their Fascist dictator was already
lined up for the goal with nobody in between.
Who knows the answer, please give your arguments, or we shall see how
and why things will end up (if we survive).
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Supercede, some mistakes sorry:
inflation and 1939 Great Depression, *before* Hitler took over in 1933.
1929.
his loathsome behavior). This is where the idea comes from that there is
his loathsome behavior), is already in power. This is where ...
Added a point here about World War 1.
anger leads to more insanity and rage. World War 1 also had just created
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