title: Who is holding Moshiach hostage? l Classic Take S2: E6
source: Tut Altz
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StOJ7db7euU

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Perhaps it was all a big mistake to want to Redeem _all of them,_ just
as it was a mistake made by Moshe when he was against wiping out Israel entirely and start over with him only. If all of Israel except a few
had died out completely and without children, perhaps something like
Rabbinical Judaism would have never come about, and the example Nation
would now be safe and sound living in Yerushalayim, inspiring the world
to stop being evil but enjoy Peace & Justice.

King Salomon said: one in a thousand is wise. Perhaps there is a
clue about how many are worth to be Redeemed, who have it in them to
overthrow Hillel and Rambam whe serve greed and lies (prozbul, heter
iska, Rambam Shemita 10:8, fake new day moment to break the Shabbos,
tying boxes to the head, Sun disk idol Lamp of Helena - and other). One
in a thousand. Not _more is better_ but _fewer is better_ because
the people able and willing to live the truth just simply don't even
exist in such numbers. The Rabbis are this "worldly power" who oppose
the peace. I don't think there is much hope anymore for _all of them_
to be Redeemed. They simply don't even want to, let alone that they are
able to handle the demands to keep such a Nation in good order, forever.

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[Continuing on Usenet.] If fewer is better, and one in a thousand is the
amount who are good, then it makes sense to stop asking Israel to stop
lying about the Torah. The one in a thousand should be good enough then
also to figure things out, while the others should not be alerted that
the Redemption might be happening in some sort of way, lest they try to
join it for their own selfish wishes without having the necessary care
and good qualities to make that Nation succeed in the end, but rather
that they will cause it to be torn apart all over again due to their carelessness, misbehavior, ignorance, greed or even criminality.

It's a tough idea I guess, but all this trying without even being given
the courtesy of a counter argument let alone finding an honest person
who cares and starts to act, seems to indicate that it is true. They
cannot, should not, and do not want to be Redeemed. Not "more is
better", but "fewer is better". Fewer, more pure, more good, less mixed,
less randomized chaos, more long lasting in terms of dedication, etc.
While a bigger size might in general be better (also more happy people
as such), above a certain size to at least do a few things which Nations
need to do (as opposed to say, one family) to be a bit of an example on
Earth I guess (Lamp to the Nations?), it could already be enough.

The others then get indirectly Redeemed of sorts, as being gentiles and
seeing it all from the outside. They can then be the world who gets
inspired by the example, and through that they can also help themselves.
They won't be inside of the example Nation (anymore), but that is only
better for them also in the end, since they would tear down the example
Nation from the inside out if they where allowed in it.

I fear wonkyness and cult behavior though, because that tends to happen
when the sizes get really small. Then again, absolute madness has raged
on Earth involving hundreds of millions of people at the time, seemingly without relief. I'm merely arguing the general case of the Redemption
for Israel, moshiach whomever it doesn't matter, but the Torah is the
Torah, and since they don't want to listen to it clearly, then who
eventually will make the necessary changes on Earth ? They still need to
do it, what other Nations is otherwise going to do it ? Who is the
closest to it ? That is still Israel I guess. Somehow, this tiny
minority within Israel needs to get things done, this one in a thousand perhaps, because the way this world is going, it looks like it is going
into a general warfare and attempt at high technological Tyranny. Step
by step, just as with Hitler, the people won't even notice it happening,
many will likely even support it furiously, as with Hitler or Stalin and
so on. It is a big danger at least.

The Torah could and should do a lot of good in this regards. Simply the
right to land means you have a foot in the economy, and the technology
will serve those who have power in the economy, power over land (which
is the root of the economy, the starting point). Technology will then be developed to serve the needs of such a power distributive economy, and
things can work out well. If the land ownership centralizes, all that
power and money goes to the few, and they will then use technology as
they see fit, which will include many weapon systems to control and even
kill unnecessary slaves (aka war), quell rebellions of slaves, and so
on. Employees are ultimately also slaves. They are those whose chains
are light for the moment, who are allowed a certain length on their
leesh for now, until they can be brought back to heel. It is the
criminal mindset you should realize that you are up against, when you
think about the ruling class. It is basically quite simple, their
intentions are quite basic. It is always about more control, more
servitude to them.

The Torah could do so much good, but they ruined it. Which leads to the question: how does this situation get corrected, if ever ? If they don't
want to do it as a people and as a whole, then what is supposed to
happen ? I guess, it doesn't look good. They really think some idol will
come save them. I wonder if that marks them out as failures to be
rejected, because they need to act and show they care, to make things
right one way or the other, and ideally fast before more harm gets done.
No no, they just sit there ... "waiting for moshiach" - it's all not
their problem ... so they think.

Perhaps some people will start caring when the bombs drop. I would like
to act right now, but nobody can do this all alone, it is not possible
and you don't even have the moral right to do it (since it is a reward
and punishment system, cause and effect, people choose and must
experience the consequences).

Hopefully now I can finally put it to rest, since if the goal is "fewer
is better" rather than "more is better", then there is on reason to keep
trying in alerting Israel and the world even, about how you can organize
and perhaps need to understand and do a few things in the economy and
perhaps even in the State as well (if people can handle that, which
admittedly is doubtful, lol). If "fewer is better", then there will
hopefully be fewer who find the truth, but it might be a more worthwhlie minority, with more good behavior. One in a thousand said King Salomon.
I wonder if it will even be far fever than that, perhaps even none at
all (and if so, then it has to be so), but we shall see. The bombs ad
the collapse are certainly going to do something, the question is if it
will lead to a permanent improvement.

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