• Re: British Historian Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of

    From bobbynonek@lgcus.com@21:1/5 to Hellman" on Tue Nov 15 18:10:09 2022
    On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 14:45:33 -0800 (PST), % FORGING as "Dr. Auric
    Hellman" <jdyoungspsychiatrist@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 4:16:34 PM UTC-5, Col. Mortimer > wrote:
    By Mark Weber

    Germany's defeat in May 1945, and the end of World War II in Europe,
    did not bring an end to death and suffering for the vanquished German
    people. Instead the victorious Allies ushered in a horrible new era
    that, in many ways, was worse than the destruction wrought by war.

    In a sobering and courageous book, After the Reich: The Brutal History
    of the Allied Occupation, British historian Giles MacDonogh details
    how the ruined and prostrate Reich (including Austria) was
    systematically raped and robbed, and how many Germans who survived the
    war were either killed in cold blood or deliberately left to die of
    disease, cold, malnutrition or starvation.

    Many people take the view that, given the wartime misdeeds of the
    Nazis, some degree of vengeful violence against the defeated Germans
    was inevitable and perhaps justified. A common response to reports of
    Allied atrocities is to say that the Germans "deserved what they got."
    But as MacDonogh establishes, the appalling cruelties inflicted on the
    totally prostrate German people went far beyond that.

    His best estimate is that some three million Germans, military and
    civilians, died unnecessarily after the official end of hostilities.

    A million of these were men who were being held as prisoners of war,
    most of whom died in Soviet captivity. (Of the 90,000 Germans who
    surrendered at Stalingrad, for example, only 5,000 ever returned to
    their homeland.) Less well known is the story of the many thousands of
    German prisoners who died in American and British captivity, most
    infamously in horrid holding camps along the Rhine river, with no
    shelter and very little food. Others, more fortunate, toiled as slave
    labor in Allied countries, often for years.

    Most of the two million German civilians who perished after the end of
    the war were women, children and elderly -- victims of disease, cold,
    hunger, suicide, and mass murder.

    Apart from the wide-scale rape of millions of German girls and woman
    in the Soviet occupation zones, perhaps the most shocking outrage
    recorded by MacDonogh is the slaughter of a quarter of a million
    Sudeten Germans by their vengeful Czech compatriots. The wretched
    survivors of this ethnic cleansing were pitched across the border,
    never to return to their homes. There were similar scenes of death and
    dispossession in Pomerania, Silesia and East Prussia as the age-old
    German communities of those provinces were likewise brutally expunged.

    We are ceaselessly reminded of the Third Reich's wartime concentration
    camps. But few Americans are aware that such infamous camps as Dachau,
    Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen and Auschwitz stayed in business after the
    end of the war, only now packed with German captives, many of whom
    perished miserably.

    The vengeful plan by US Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau to turn
    defeated Germany into an impoverished "pastoral" country, stripped of
    modern industry, is recounted by MacDonogh, as well as other genocidal
    schemes to starve, sterilize or deport the population of what was left
    of the bombed-out cities.

    It wasn't an awakening of humanitarian concern that prompted a change
    in American and British attitudes toward the defeated Germans. The
    shift in postwar policy was based on fear of Soviet Russian expansion,
    and prompted a calculated appeal to the German public to support the
    new anti-Soviet stance of the US and Britain.

    MacDonogh's important book is an antidote to the simplistic but
    enduring propaganda portrait of World War II as a clash between Good
    and Evil, and debunks the widely accepted image of benevolent Allied
    treatment of defeated Germany.

    This 615-page volume is much more than a gruesome chronicle of death
    and human suffering. Enhanced with moving anecdotes, it also provides
    historical context and perspective. It is probably the best work
    available in English on this shameful chapter of twentieth century
    history.

    Mark Weber is director of the Institute for Historical Review. This
    review is adapted from an item in the Summer 2007 issue of the IHR
    Update newsletter. Revised August 2007 and Jan 2011.

    Funny, Mark Weber is one of "JD Young's favorite conspiracy kooks!
    It's never hard to spot a troll from Nazi nutcase "J Young", no matter which nym he uses!
    Better behave Jon D. Young, or we'll have to report your forgeries to
    your parole officer. Have you shared with these nice people that you are
    a convicted sex offender? >https://isp.illinois.gov/Sor/Details/X09C1679?x=8cafc42f-b00b-4723-808f-e77439a2afad


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  • From Dr. Auric Hellman@21:1/5 to Col. Mortimer on Tue Nov 15 14:45:33 2022
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 4:16:34 PM UTC-5, Col. Mortimer > wrote:
    By Mark Weber

    Germany's defeat in May 1945, and the end of World War II in Europe,
    did not bring an end to death and suffering for the vanquished German
    people. Instead the victorious Allies ushered in a horrible new era
    that, in many ways, was worse than the destruction wrought by war.

    In a sobering and courageous book, After the Reich: The Brutal History
    of the Allied Occupation, British historian Giles MacDonogh details
    how the ruined and prostrate Reich (including Austria) was
    systematically raped and robbed, and how many Germans who survived the
    war were either killed in cold blood or deliberately left to die of
    disease, cold, malnutrition or starvation.

    Many people take the view that, given the wartime misdeeds of the
    Nazis, some degree of vengeful violence against the defeated Germans
    was inevitable and perhaps justified. A common response to reports of
    Allied atrocities is to say that the Germans "deserved what they got."
    But as MacDonogh establishes, the appalling cruelties inflicted on the totally prostrate German people went far beyond that.

    His best estimate is that some three million Germans, military and
    civilians, died unnecessarily after the official end of hostilities.

    A million of these were men who were being held as prisoners of war,
    most of whom died in Soviet captivity. (Of the 90,000 Germans who
    surrendered at Stalingrad, for example, only 5,000 ever returned to
    their homeland.) Less well known is the story of the many thousands of
    German prisoners who died in American and British captivity, most
    infamously in horrid holding camps along the Rhine river, with no
    shelter and very little food. Others, more fortunate, toiled as slave
    labor in Allied countries, often for years.

    Most of the two million German civilians who perished after the end of
    the war were women, children and elderly -- victims of disease, cold,
    hunger, suicide, and mass murder.

    Apart from the wide-scale rape of millions of German girls and woman
    in the Soviet occupation zones, perhaps the most shocking outrage
    recorded by MacDonogh is the slaughter of a quarter of a million
    Sudeten Germans by their vengeful Czech compatriots. The wretched
    survivors of this ethnic cleansing were pitched across the border,
    never to return to their homes. There were similar scenes of death and dispossession in Pomerania, Silesia and East Prussia as the age-old
    German communities of those provinces were likewise brutally expunged.

    We are ceaselessly reminded of the Third Reich's wartime concentration
    camps. But few Americans are aware that such infamous camps as Dachau, Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen and Auschwitz stayed in business after the
    end of the war, only now packed with German captives, many of whom
    perished miserably.

    The vengeful plan by US Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau to turn
    defeated Germany into an impoverished "pastoral" country, stripped of
    modern industry, is recounted by MacDonogh, as well as other genocidal schemes to starve, sterilize or deport the population of what was left
    of the bombed-out cities.

    It wasn't an awakening of humanitarian concern that prompted a change
    in American and British attitudes toward the defeated Germans. The
    shift in postwar policy was based on fear of Soviet Russian expansion,
    and prompted a calculated appeal to the German public to support the
    new anti-Soviet stance of the US and Britain.

    MacDonogh's important book is an antidote to the simplistic but
    enduring propaganda portrait of World War II as a clash between Good
    and Evil, and debunks the widely accepted image of benevolent Allied treatment of defeated Germany.

    This 615-page volume is much more than a gruesome chronicle of death
    and human suffering. Enhanced with moving anecdotes, it also provides historical context and perspective. It is probably the best work
    available in English on this shameful chapter of twentieth century
    history.

    Mark Weber is director of the Institute for Historical Review. This
    review is adapted from an item in the Summer 2007 issue of the IHR
    Update newsletter. Revised August 2007 and Jan 2011.

    Funny, Mark Weber is one of "JD Young's favorite conspiracy kooks!
    It's never hard to spot a troll from Nazi nutcase "J Young", no matter which nym he uses!
    Better behave Jon D. Young, or we'll have to report your forgeries to
    your parole officer. Have you shared with these nice people that you are
    a convicted sex offender? https://isp.illinois.gov/Sor/Details/X09C1679?x=8cafc42f-b00b-4723-808f-e77439a2afad

    --
    Dr. Auric D. Hellman
    adhe...@gmail.com

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  • From Dr. Auric Hellman@21:1/5 to Nazi paedolphile "JD Young" as Col. on Tue Nov 15 15:41:23 2022
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:10:10 PM UTC-5, Nazi paedolphile "JD Young" as Col. Mortimer > wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 14:45:33 -0800 (PST), % FORGING as "Dr. Auric
    Hellman" <jdyoungsps...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 4:16:34 PM UTC-5, Col. Mortimer > wrote:
    By Mark Weber

    Germany's defeat in May 1945, and the end of World War II in Europe,
    did not bring an end to death and suffering for the vanquished German
    people. Instead the victorious Allies ushered in a horrible new era
    that, in many ways, was worse than the destruction wrought by war.

    In a sobering and courageous book, After the Reich: The Brutal History
    of the Allied Occupation, British historian Giles MacDonogh details
    how the ruined and prostrate Reich (including Austria) was
    systematically raped and robbed, and how many Germans who survived the
    war were either killed in cold blood or deliberately left to die of
    disease, cold, malnutrition or starvation.

    Many people take the view that, given the wartime misdeeds of the
    Nazis, some degree of vengeful violence against the defeated Germans
    was inevitable and perhaps justified. A common response to reports of
    Allied atrocities is to say that the Germans "deserved what they got."
    But as MacDonogh establishes, the appalling cruelties inflicted on the
    totally prostrate German people went far beyond that.

    His best estimate is that some three million Germans, military and
    civilians, died unnecessarily after the official end of hostilities.

    A million of these were men who were being held as prisoners of war,
    most of whom died in Soviet captivity. (Of the 90,000 Germans who
    surrendered at Stalingrad, for example, only 5,000 ever returned to
    their homeland.) Less well known is the story of the many thousands of
    German prisoners who died in American and British captivity, most
    infamously in horrid holding camps along the Rhine river, with no
    shelter and very little food. Others, more fortunate, toiled as slave
    labor in Allied countries, often for years.

    Most of the two million German civilians who perished after the end of
    the war were women, children and elderly -- victims of disease, cold,
    hunger, suicide, and mass murder.

    Apart from the wide-scale rape of millions of German girls and woman
    in the Soviet occupation zones, perhaps the most shocking outrage
    recorded by MacDonogh is the slaughter of a quarter of a million
    Sudeten Germans by their vengeful Czech compatriots. The wretched
    survivors of this ethnic cleansing were pitched across the border,
    never to return to their homes. There were similar scenes of death and
    dispossession in Pomerania, Silesia and East Prussia as the age-old
    German communities of those provinces were likewise brutally expunged.

    We are ceaselessly reminded of the Third Reich's wartime concentration
    camps. But few Americans are aware that such infamous camps as Dachau,
    Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen and Auschwitz stayed in business after the
    end of the war, only now packed with German captives, many of whom
    perished miserably.

    The vengeful plan by US Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau to turn
    defeated Germany into an impoverished "pastoral" country, stripped of
    modern industry, is recounted by MacDonogh, as well as other genocidal
    schemes to starve, sterilize or deport the population of what was left
    of the bombed-out cities.

    It wasn't an awakening of humanitarian concern that prompted a change
    in American and British attitudes toward the defeated Germans. The
    shift in postwar policy was based on fear of Soviet Russian expansion,
    and prompted a calculated appeal to the German public to support the
    new anti-Soviet stance of the US and Britain.

    MacDonogh's important book is an antidote to the simplistic but
    enduring propaganda portrait of World War II as a clash between Good
    and Evil, and debunks the widely accepted image of benevolent Allied
    treatment of defeated Germany.

    This 615-page volume is much more than a gruesome chronicle of death
    and human suffering. Enhanced with moving anecdotes, it also provides
    historical context and perspective. It is probably the best work
    available in English on this shameful chapter of twentieth century
    history.

    Mark Weber is director of the Institute for Historical Review. This
    review is adapted from an item in the Summer 2007 issue of the IHR
    Update newsletter. Revised August 2007 and Jan 2011.

    Funny, Mark Weber is one of "JD Young's favorite conspiracy kooks!
    It's never hard to spot a troll from Nazi nutcase "J Young", no matter which nym he uses!
    Better behave Jon D. Young, or we'll have to report your forgeries to
    your parole officer. Have you shared with these nice people that you are
    a convicted sex offender? >https://isp.illinois.gov/Sor/Details/X09C1679?x=8cafc42f-b00b-4723-808f-e77439a2afad
    Have you nothing better to do than forge your betters?

    You must be looking in a mirror, child molester.
    You had better behave Jon D. Young, or we'll have to report your forgeries to your parole officer. Have you shared with these nice people that you are
    a convicted sex offender and paedophile? https://isp.illinois.gov/Sor/Details/X09C1679?x=8cafc42f-b00b-4723-808f-e77439a2afad

    --
    Dr. Auric D. Hellman
    adhe...@gmail.com

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