• Sachsenhausen Camp

    From Susan Cohen@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 15 23:16:03 2023
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    Although many have questioned the wisdom of prosecutions related to
    National Socialist crimes so long after the events, the German
    government has stepped up a campaign of prosecution of elderly people
    who were marginally involved in the operation of German detention
    camps.

    An example is the months long trial of Josef Schuetz. Schuetz was Lithuanian-born German who was accused of being a perimeter guard at Sachsenhausen detention camp. He was not accused of personal
    involvement in acts of brutality or killing, but merely being there.
    Since, at age 101, it is unlikely he will serve any jail time (other
    than the time he already spent in a Soviet POW camp), one might wonder
    why hold a lengthy and expensive trial?

    On June 2022, at the age of 101, Josef Schuetz was handed a five year
    sentence for “complicity in war crimes.”

    “I’m happy that he got the maximum sentence…” crowed Wiesenthal
    Center’s Efraim Zuroff on leaving the courthouse; adding “These
    trials help fight Holocaust denial and distortion.”

    Jerusalem Post https://www.jpost.com/international/article-710609

    Guillaume Mouralis, a research professor at the Center Marc Bloch
    declared such trials send an important signal. 'It is a question of
    reaffirming the political and moral responsibility of individuals in
    an authoritarian context (and in a criminal regime) at a time when the neo-fascist far right is strengthening everywhere in Europe'

    Karen Pollock CBE, the Chief Executive of the British charity
    Holocaust Educational Trust: 'The passage of time is no barrier to
    justice when it comes to the heinous crimes of the Nazis and their collaborators. Every time someone is found guilty of these crimes,
    regardless of their age, the truth of the Holocaust is reaffirmed for
    all to see.’

    So, Germany is engaging is a flurry of last minute show trials of the
    elderly. This campaign started with the 2011 conviction of former
    guard John Demjanjuk. That case set two legal precedents; that the
    Accused did not have to be directly involved in any crime to be guilty
    of abetting a murder during the Holocaust; and a Holocaust survivor
    who testifies in a German court does not have to directly identify the
    accused. The removal of these long established protections for
    defendants paved the way the current “wrong place-wrong time”
    prosecutions

    A Show Trial in a Gymnasium

    The trial of Josef Schuetz opened on October 7, 2021 and lasted until
    June 28, 2022. The Neuruppin Regional Court convened the trial in
    the local gymnasium in the expectation of large audiences and an
    extensive media presence.

    Scheutz denied any wrongdoing but did not put up any defense other
    than providing information about his personal situation. The
    Centenarian was heard asking, “'I don't know why I am here.” The
    nine month trial consisted of an unchallenged string of lurid
    testimony such as gruesome stories of a “neck shot' facility.”
    Allegedly, in the “neck shot facility,” SS guards donned white
    medical overalls and pretended to prisoners they were doctors
    concerned with their well-being. They then lined up prisoners against
    a wall and measured them. Meanwhile in a neighboring room, other
    armed SS guards used the measurements as a setting for their guns.
    They would open a slit in the wall and fire into the prisoner's neck.

    The trial finally ended with judge Udo Lechtermann announcing that
    Schuetz had worked at Sachsenhausen and had "supported" the atrocities committed there. "Due to your position on the watchtower of the
    concentration camp, you constantly had the smoke of the crematorium in
    your nose," Lechtermann announced.

    These show trials debase the German justice system in numerous ways.
    They have created the ex post facto crime of being a “cog in Hitler’s
    killing machine” decades after the events. They are not based on any
    wrongful acts of the accused but are an act of attainder designed to
    convict even when the accused did no criminal act. The sight of aged
    and infirm defendants dragged into court smacks of sick vengeance
    rather than any form of justice no matter what “nickname” the
    defendant is given by the press. Importantly, the right and ability
    of the accused to cross-examine the prosecution witnesses is
    nonexistent. Judge Udo Lechtermann accepted into evidence lurid and
    impossible tales without a challenge. Shamefully, the Courts have
    embraced the idea that political trials should be allowed if the
    target is to “ fight Holocaust denial” or embarrass “the neo-fascist
    far right.”

    The Real Sachsenhausen Despite the appearance of several Jewish
    witnesses at the trial, Sachsenhausen mainly held political prisoners. Prominent prisoners included Joseph Stalin's oldest son, Yakov
    Dzhugashvili; Paul Reynaud, ex-Prime Minister of France; Francisco
    Largo Caballero, ex-Prime Minister of the Spanish Republic during the
    Spanish Civil War; the wife and children of the Crown Prince of
    Bavaria; Ukrainian nationalist leader Stepan Bandera; and numerous
    political dissidents. The camp was dominated by communists who often brutalized non-Communists.

    Special Camp No. 1

    In 1990 three mass graves holding 12,000 bodies were uncovered at Sachsenhausen. After a brief attempt to attribute the crime to the
    National Socialists, it became clear the bodies were from the period
    when Sachsenhausen was used as “Special Camp N0. 1” by the Soviet
    NKVD, that is from August 1945 until 1950. The bodies were mainly
    women and children.

    By 1948, Sachsenhausen was renamed "Special Camp No. 1," and was the
    largest concentration camp in the Soviet Occupation Zone. 60,000
    people were interned in Special Camp No. 1 during the five years the
    Red Star flew over Sachsenhausen including 6,000 German officers
    transferred from Western Allied camps. Others internees were Social
    Democrats, anti-Communists and Russian political prisoners. By the
    time the camp was closed in the spring of 1950 thousands had died.

    The current Sachsenhausen Museum administration is remarkably unclear
    on how many people died in Special Camp No. 1. They seem to only
    count bodies actually found and identified, i.e., 11,890.

    But the administration also lists only 17,672 inmates as having been
    released. This leaves about 30,000 people unaccounted for. The higher
    figure ties in with estimates that the Soviet camps had a death rate
    of 35% of their internees.

    https://www.sachsenhausen-sbg.de/geschichte/1945-1950-sowjetisches-speziallager/

    The apparent answer is that more people died under the Soviet
    occupation than those victims whose bodies were tossed into a mass
    grave. Special Camp No. 1 did have German era cremation facilities
    and probably used them. The current museum administration just
    doesn’t care enough to investigate.

    Neither does the Museum administration post the names of the operators
    of Special Camp No. 1. As far as is known, no guard or administrator
    of Special Camp No. 1 has faced justice. It is something to
    contemplate that the mass murderers of Special Camp No. 1 have all
    been protected, while the German government tracks down old men who
    have committed no crime. It certainly underscores the bitter hypocrisy
    of the current “Trials of the Aged.”

    Sachsenhausen Camp has come to symbolize two extremes; an intense
    effort to memorialize and exploit the tragedies that occurred in 100
    months between 1936 and 1945 and a remarkable indifference and
    extenuation of the tragedies that occurred in 60 months between 1945
    and 1950.


    [1] These include:

    Oskar Groening, prosecuted at 94 an accountant at Auschwitz, Reinhold
    Hanning, prosecuted at 94, a perimeter guard at Auschwitz. Bruno Dey, prosecuted at 93 in 2020 and given a two-year suspended sentence.
    Irmgard Furchner, currently prosecuted at 96 years-old and branded by
    the media “the Secretary of Evil,”was only 18 when she worked as a
    secretary in Stutthof camp, Furchner is now on trial for complicity in
    the murder of more than 10,000 people..

    http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/14/4/8203


    Yes, there was a holocaust; only it's not the one they taught you in
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  • From jdyoung@21:1/5 to Susan Cohen on Thu Feb 16 06:17:18 2023
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 11:16:08 PM UTC-5, Susan Cohen wrote:
    Although many have questioned the wisdom of prosecutions related to
    National Socialist crimes so long after the events

    Really?
    Nazi assholes like you don't count, "D. Ray".
    Have you spoken with your drug counselor about your cross-dressing compulsion, "D. Ray/Susan"?
    You should!

    Every day, this loser "D.Ray/Chadlee/Flakey/loosebowels" etc. displays the sort of mindless racism and anti-Semitism that always gives him away, irrespective of the dozens of nyms he hides behind.
    Always.
    Once a coward, always a coward.

    J Young, Official
    jdyo...@ymail.com

    Proselytize at your own risk

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