It is a new year indeed. But SCI has been around for more than 30
years. I remember posting here in 1986. Arindam is a very special
poster. He is erudite and a defender of righteousness. He never
shirked from accepting his errors,
if any, and correcting others' errors like a gentleman. His knowledge
of hinduism and physics is legendary. He authored a published work on
Hindu puranas that speaks louder than words. I am very fortunate to
have received his tutelage on SCI.
As usual I have a question for him. While reading Ramana Maharshi's
book on "Who am I?" I noticed that the maharshi claimed that Self
(note the capitalization) originates in the heart. Some other
spiritual leaders said Self is resident in the right side of the
chest.
Then the nadis or nerves that were counted to be more than 100 the
prominent among them being "ida, pingala, sushumna". Are they for
real?
A third reference of physical body is the "dahar akash". It is
supposed to be a space inside the chest where a lotus hangs upside
down. It is a microcosm of the infinite universe.
A fourth reference to the physical body is, of course, chakras
(mooladhara, swadishttana, anahita, visudha, agna, sahararaka, etc.)
One can't see them otherwise the MRI would have caught if they are
centers of energy. The same is true of kundalini which is supposed to
be at the base of the spinal cord.
A fifth reference is to the senses and limbs which is
non-controversial. Everyone accepts that senses are not reliable and
can cause false knowledge.
My question is: where from the hindu sages got these things? Are they
in vedas? I searched the upanishads in vain. Any clarification will be gratefully acknowledged.
* gandikotam <8a3a8b2d-6851-4d11...@googlegroups.com> :
Wrote on Mon, 2 Jan 2023 14:29:47 -0800 (PST):
It is a new year indeed. But SCI has been around for more than 30Not in my experience. He refused to accept his mistake on his misinterpretation of PrajapatiRishi like a stubborn ass and did (does)
years. I remember posting here in 1986. Arindam is a very special
poster. He is erudite and a defender of righteousness. He never
shirked from accepting his errors,
his utmost to cover his ignorance
if any, and correcting others' errors like a gentleman. His knowledge
of hinduism and physics is legendary. He authored a published work on
Hindu puranas that speaks louder than words. I am very fortunate to
have received his tutelage on SCI.
As usual I have a question for him. While reading Ramana Maharshi's
book on "Who am I?" I noticed that the maharshi claimed that Self
(note the capitalization) originates in the heart. Some other
spiritual leaders said Self is resident in the right side of the
chest.
Then the nadis or nerves that were counted to be more than 100 the prominent among them being "ida, pingala, sushumna". Are they for
real?
A third reference of physical body is the "dahar akash". It is
supposed to be a space inside the chest where a lotus hangs upside
down. It is a microcosm of the infinite universe.
A fourth reference to the physical body is, of course, chakras
(mooladhara, swadishttana, anahita, visudha, agna, sahararaka, etc.)
One can't see them otherwise the MRI would have caught if they are
centers of energy. The same is true of kundalini which is supposed to
be at the base of the spinal cord.
A fifth reference is to the senses and limbs which is
non-controversial. Everyone accepts that senses are not reliable and
can cause false knowledge.
My question is: where from the hindu sages got these things? Are theyThe Narayana Sukta (which may be recent but is definitely shruti) may
in vedas? I searched the upanishads in vain. Any clarification will be gratefully acknowledged.
have veiled references to kundalini processes. It is part of the popular pancha sukta recitation cycle (purushasukta narayanasukta srisukta etc)
of the present day.
You have to read up the history of Tantra to trace the development of
the chakras concept.
Thank you, Madhu sir. I am aware of purusha and sri sukta. As far as I know,No sir for u
Purusha sukta is describing how the Purusha created the universe and various varnas. I have to read up on Narayana sukta and trantra. How can we take shruti as pramana? If something is in veda it is de facto taken as pramana. Or the purusha/sri skuta's part of vedas? Please enlighten me.
* gandikotam <4957503f-2c18-49ab-b0cf-b79dfc6437e9n @googlegroups.com> : Wrote on Wed, 4 Jan 2023 07:31:18 -0800 (PST):
Thank you, Madhu sir. I am aware of purusha and sri sukta. As far as I know,No sir for u
Purusha sukta is describing how the Purusha created the universe and variousFor enlightenment wikipedia is a better bet. I'm sure Kundalini is
varnas. I have to read up on Narayana sukta and trantra. How can we take shruti as pramana? If something is in veda it is de facto taken as pramana.
Or the purusha/sri skuta's part of vedas? Please enlighten me.
treated well, and the suktas too. Sri sukta is of course "khila", i'd
think the traditions must come from medieval brahmin settlers of the godavari, rather than saraswati.
Narayana Sukta is controversial. I just looked it up on the web and it
is a point of sectarian conflict.
https://narayanastra.blogspot.com/p/the-absurdity-of-shakta-interpretations.html
vs. http://www.mahapashupatastra.com/2012/02/narayana-suktam-hymn-to-tripurasundari.html
but there is no need to get into sectarian violence; the allusions to processes you asked about are there in the text even if veiled. My post
was to show it is incorrect to say there is no knowledge of those things
in the shruti. Of course there are tantric "upanishads" with those
concepts all later the 6th 7th century but they obviously are not shruti (though it may date the narayana sukta to that period)
That the shruti is pramana is the inviolable basis for orthodoxy - there
can be no compromise at all. (however grammatical torture of the text
to extract your preferred interpretation is allowed). It is the
identical to the concept of biblical inerrance and sola-scriptura and
the validity of the torah and is the basis siddhanta.
I looked up and found that Purusha Sukta is a part of Rig Veda that
talks about the origin of the universe and varna. Sri Suktam was
considered as a khila in Rig Veda as you had rightly pointed out. But
they don't refer to the 6 chakras, 5 kosas, kundalini, etc.
Since chakras are famous all over the world, I found the following:
"The chakra system originated in India between 1500 and 500 BC in the
oldest text called the Vedas. Evidence of chakras, spelled cakra, is
also found in the Shri Jabala Darshana Upanishad, the Cudamini
Upanishad, the Yoga-Shikka Upanishad and the Shandilya
Upanishad. According to the scholar Anodea Judith in her book the
Wheels of Life, knowledge of the chakra system was passed down through
an oral tradition by the Indo-Eurpoean people, also called the Aryan
people. The Chakra system was traditionally an Eastern philosophy
until New Age authors, like Anodea Judith, resonated with the idea and
wrote about the chakras, expanding upon the older texts and making the knowledge more accesible."
Considering that upanishad's are shruti, can we say chakras have
shruti pramana? I'd say the yoga-shikka
and shandilya upanishad's are not well known and perhaps passed down
as "smriti" like the 100's of upanishads
for which Adi Shankara had not written a bhashyam. Do you agree?
The pancha koshas are very likely part of yoga, tantra, etc. Is there
a shruti pramana for that? Likely no.
So I submit, we are dealing with things that have no pramana in
vedas/shruti. People made up their own stories about koshas, chakras,
etc. As mentioned, Ramana Maharshi pointed to the right of his chest
to indicate the source of atman. There is no veda pramana and it is ok
since the maharshi never read vedas as far as we know.
Are we being fooled by the yoga peddlers into believing in chakras,
koshas, etc.?
* gandikotam <4f2d80a8-0168-40ae-9902-dbeaf58872dfn @googlegroups.com> : Wrote on Thu, 5 Jan 2023 15:30:27 -0800 (PST):
I looked up and found that Purusha Sukta is a part of Rig Veda thatyes there is no mention of cakras. but kosas "envelopes" are mentioned
talks about the origin of the universe and varna. Sri Suktam was
considered as a khila in Rig Veda as you had rightly pointed out. But
they don't refer to the 6 chakras, 5 kosas, kundalini, etc.
in the older upanishads where a system of meditation is developed based
on identities and relationships between psycho-physiogical faculties and categories (smell taste form) and natural categories (earth water fire
etc.) is developed.
Since chakras are famous all over the world, I found the following:
"The chakra system originated in India between 1500 and 500 BC in the oldest text called the Vedas. Evidence of chakras, spelled cakra, is
also found in the Shri Jabala Darshana Upanishad, the Cudamini
Upanishad, the Yoga-Shikka Upanishad and the Shandilya
Upanishad. According to the scholar Anodea Judith in her book the
Wheels of Life, knowledge of the chakra system was passed down through
an oral tradition by the Indo-Eurpoean people, also called the Aryan people. The Chakra system was traditionally an Eastern philosophy
until New Age authors, like Anodea Judith, resonated with the idea and wrote about the chakras, expanding upon the older texts and making the knowledge more accesible."
Considering that upanishad's are shruti, can we say chakras haveYes these are later upanishads written after the development of the
shruti pramana? I'd say the yoga-shikka
and shandilya upanishad's are not well known and perhaps passed down
as "smriti" like the 100's of upanishads
for which Adi Shankara had not written a bhashyam. Do you agree?
theory I would even call them "apocrypha" (attributing authorship to
earlier sages). These upanishads and the tantric practices may have been there at Sankara's time though, see saundarya lahari and other "tantric" works attributed to sankara. the influence is known in the practice of
the cults if not in the orthodox texts.
The pancha koshas are very likely part of yoga, tantra, etc. Is thereThe Panca kosas are spelt out in Taittirya upanishad and similar of
a shruti pramana for that? Likely no.
meditations (speculations) are there in earlier "genuine" upanishads.
The way I understand it the meditations on identities and relationships
(that i mentioed above, like the kosas) developed into the system of
yoga for self-realization which is outlined in the brahma sutras. This
must have happened in some "milieu" which "milieu" also produced the development of "tantra and tantra yoga" -- the practice is medieval and
not vedic and parallels how the medieval jewish kabala is projected back
to more ancient times.
So I submit, we are dealing with things that have no pramana in vedas/shruti. People made up their own stories about koshas, chakras,Remember under Guruism gurus have the benefit of direct experience which
etc. As mentioned, Ramana Maharshi pointed to the right of his chest
to indicate the source of atman. There is no veda pramana and it is ok since the maharshi never read vedas as far as we know.
is greater than any ther pramana: guru is greater than vedas and guru is greater than god. nvr fgt. (There is a cult of "periayava", full with
idols being funded today -- i wonder if you get the satellite "spiritual channels" in the US)
Are we being fooled by the yoga peddlers into believing in chakras,well if the claim is made that kundalini is "vedic" it is obviously
koshas, etc.?
false because it is not extant in the 4 vedas. but everyone makes the
claim and no one is fooled by *that* because "vedic" is a
propaganda-like abstraction that does not mean what we expect it to
mean. (the content-matter of the 4-vedas was irrelevant even during the
time of the mahabharata except for the ritual economy)
Thank you, Madhu sir for your kind clarifications. Switching gears, I haveno sir for u
visited the URL's you had kindly given. One of them ("narayanastra") has
a lengthy discussion about how the saivites hijacked vaishnavite
teachings. Here is my simplistic theory: there used to exist two entirely different
civilizations that had come into contact with each other after they
developed their own theories of the supreme divine. One of them
called the supreme divine Siva and the other Vishnu. Initially they agreed
to call the supreme divine Narayana from whom Siva and Vishnu sprang
so as to avoid contention of one civilization being superior to other. After some time
they diverged and claimed Siva and Vishnu as the supreme divine.
What do you think of this theory?
* gandikotam <a9a78b20-c9af-408f-a1e0-93c2445c4a78n @googlegroups.com> : Wrote on Fri, 6 Jan 2023 17:22:42 -0800 (PST):
Thank you, Madhu sir for your kind clarifications. Switching gears, I haveno sir for u
visited the URL's you had kindly given. One of them ("narayanastra") hasI stated upfront when posting that that there is no need to delve into
a lengthy discussion about how the saivites hijacked vaishnavite
teachings. Here is my simplistic theory: there used to exist two entirely different
the sectarian bits...
civilizations that had come into contact with each other after they developed their own theories of the supreme divine. One of themI don't think the details of the sectarian conflicts are relevant,
called the supreme divine Siva and the other Vishnu. Initially they agreed to call the supreme divine Narayana from whom Siva and Vishnu sprang
so as to avoid contention of one civilization being superior to other. After some time
they diverged and claimed Siva and Vishnu as the supreme divine.
What do you think of this theory?
unless it is the investigation of the conflict. While it helps to have
an idea of the past for perspective the precise speculation is
pointless. A more interesting thing would be a meta-theory about the sectarian conflicts and how they determine the course of development,
who they ulitmately benefit.
Let me ask you this that has been nagging in the mind. Garuda puranam
talks about after life. Possibly it covers the naraka where a yaatana
sareera is given to jeevaatma to suffer under intense punishment meted
out by Yamadhrama Raj. Does law of karma apply to Yama and
yama-kinkaraas? While discharging their duty the kinkaraas' are
inflicting pain and suffering. Will that accrue paapa to Yama and his kinkaraas? I think a more contemporaneous situation is prison guards,
police, etc. inflicting pain and suffering to people just by following
the law. Will that accrue paapa to them?
* gandikotam <01ec91db-e33a-47e8-b185-a8401e21c7d8n @googlegroups.com> : Wrote on Sun, 8 Jan 2023 18:01:32 -0800 (PST):
Let me ask you this that has been nagging in the mind. Garuda puranamPut yourself in the position of the supreme: If you are the righteous
talks about after life. Possibly it covers the naraka where a yaatana sareera is given to jeevaatma to suffer under intense punishment meted
out by Yamadhrama Raj. Does law of karma apply to Yama and
yama-kinkaraas? While discharging their duty the kinkaraas' are
inflicting pain and suffering. Will that accrue paapa to Yama and his kinkaraas? I think a more contemporaneous situation is prison guards, police, etc. inflicting pain and suffering to people just by following
the law. Will that accrue paapa to them?
judge, how would you judge it? I would answer: of course.
You are asking me personally you are asking me to go on a rant, I
stopped trying to do a physics-style detailed balance of merits and
demerits for karma. There are obvious commisions and omissions in the
handing out of fruits of works. According to guruism gurus can even take
or give away your karma - it becomes entirely arbitrary and then the
theory begs the question. Besides the system of administration of the universe including administration of karma benefits is systemically
corrupt with corrupt deities in charge at all levels. This does not
mean karma as a concept is fundamentally flawed - eventually all these deities will get their deserts from god.
I believe garuda purana is medieval literature and is influenced by
catholic purgatory imagery, and whatever the catholic imagery is based
on, and its ok for conditioning and controlling society (like most lib propaganda) and to provide livelihood for the pandas and keep the
varnashrama dharma system, but you cant base theology on it.
I don't want you to go into details but consider an existing
situation. A smart phone has multiple uses. But it also gave aloofness/loneliness, caused accidents with selfies and use while
driving, wasted trillions of hours of productive time that could have
been spent on meditation and such. What do you think Steve Jobs, the inventor of smart phone, deserves? A permanent place in heaven, and
perhaps deva guru status next only to Indra and Brihaspati or a
sojourn in naraka? I personally think he could have reincarnated
without any privileges in heaven and working out his karma on
Earth. Any ideas?
* gandikotam <ac9093ae-6dc2-4c0e-bde9-3369e23e1dccn @googlegroups.com> : Wrote on Mon, 9 Jan 2023 14:09:04 -0800 (PST):
I don't want you to go into details but consider an existingNone at all.
situation. A smart phone has multiple uses. But it also gave aloofness/loneliness, caused accidents with selfies and use while
driving, wasted trillions of hours of productive time that could have
been spent on meditation and such. What do you think Steve Jobs, the inventor of smart phone, deserves? A permanent place in heaven, and
perhaps deva guru status next only to Indra and Brihaspati or a
sojourn in naraka? I personally think he could have reincarnated
without any privileges in heaven and working out his karma on
Earth. Any ideas?
I have never used a smartphone or any apple product in my life and hope
to ascend without ever having used any.
It is a new year indeed. But SCI has been around for more than 30 years. I remember posting here in 1986. Arindam is a very special poster. He is erudite and a defender of righteousness. He never shirked from accepting his errors, if any, andcorrecting others' errors like a gentleman. His knowledge of hinduism and physics is legendary. He authored a published work on Hindu puranas that speaks louder than words. I am very fortunate to have received his tutelage on SCI.
As usual I have a question for him. While reading Ramana Maharshi's book on "Who am I?" I noticed that the maharshi claimed that Self (note the capitalization) originates in the heart. Some other spiritual leaders said Self is resident in the rightside of the chest.
Then the nadis or nerves that were counted to be more than 100 the prominent among them being "ida, pingala, sushumna". Are they for real?
A third reference of physical body is the "dahar akash". It is supposed to be a space inside the chest where a lotus hangs upside down. It is a microcosm of the infinite universe.
A fourth reference to the physical body is, of course, chakras (mooladhara, swadishttana, anahita, visudha, agna, sahararaka, etc.) One can't see them otherwise the MRI would have caught if they are centers of energy. The same is true of kundaliniwhich is supposed to be at the base of the spinal cord.
A fifth reference is to the senses and limbs which is non-controversial. Everyone accepts that senses are not reliable and can cause false knowledge.
My question is: where from the hindu sages got these things? Are they in vedas? I searched the upanishads in vain. Any clarification will be gratefully acknowledged.
Regards
On Tuesday, 3 January 2023 at 09:29:51 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:correcting others' errors like a gentleman. His knowledge of hinduism and physics is legendary. He authored a published work on Hindu puranas that speaks louder than words. I am very fortunate to have received his tutelage on SCI.
It is a new year indeed. But SCI has been around for more than 30 years. I remember posting here in 1986. Arindam is a very special poster. He is erudite and a defender of righteousness. He never shirked from accepting his errors, if any, and
I feel overwhelmed by this unsolicited testimonial from the oldest and highly respected netizen of sci, who still retains hope in the worth of this medium, the last bastion of free speech in the world. I do hope his good wishes for me (and by induction,for the world) come true this year. Who knows what will happen! I reciprocate his good wishes and so hope his dreams too will come true. At any rate we have had a scintillating exchange, the proof of which is shown by the amount of noise created here by
side of the chest.As usual I have a question for him. While reading Ramana Maharshi's book on "Who am I?" I noticed that the maharshi claimed that Self (note the capitalization) originates in the heart. Some other spiritual leaders said Self is resident in the right
These are deep questions. I cannot answer them to everyone's satisfaction. As far as I am concerned, from the Vedic perspective we are all Gods and Goddesses in mortal form. Our ignorance prevents us from seeing that. When that veil of ignorance isremoved, we are one with the divine entities, the individual spirits, or amalgamated spirits. By "heart" I suppose the maharishi is telling us that we should be more governed by emotion as opposed to raw intellect. In other words, by being emotional we
self, I am not sure about the precedence.Then the nadis or nerves that were counted to be more than 100 the prominent among them being "ida, pingala, sushumna". Are they for real?Sorry biological questions are beyond me. From the vedic perspective we are as a self composed of overlapping layers, and the physical body, much like the Physical and Data Layers in ISO-OSI telecom stack are the lowest. There are higher layers for the
which is supposed to be at the base of the spinal cord.A third reference of physical body is the "dahar akash". It is supposed to be a space inside the chest where a lotus hangs upside down. It is a microcosm of the infinite universe.Probably symbolic of something, beyond me.
A fourth reference to the physical body is, of course, chakras (mooladhara, swadishttana, anahita, visudha, agna, sahararaka, etc.) One can't see them otherwise the MRI would have caught if they are centers of energy. The same is true of kundalini
This is beyond me. Looks like these are Buddhist and Tantric concepts.words of a sage may have limited scope in time and space - in other words, later generations may find them wrong, or obsolete.
A fifth reference is to the senses and limbs which is non-controversial. Everyone accepts that senses are not reliable and can cause false knowledge.On the subjective basis, yes. On the objective basis, we have better luck with the honest scientific methods.
My question is: where from the hindu sages got these things? Are they in vedas? I searched the upanishads in vain. Any clarification will be gratefully acknowledged.Hindu is a loose term. Many things which are not Vedic/Upanishadic let alone Puranic have come under this label. A sage is a sage. He or she is accepted as such by public opinion, for surpassing wisdom or useful guidance. Unlike the scriptures, the
Regards
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:25:32 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:correcting others' errors like a gentleman. His knowledge of hinduism and physics is legendary. He authored a published work on Hindu puranas that speaks louder than words. I am very fortunate to have received his tutelage on SCI.
On Tuesday, 3 January 2023 at 09:29:51 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
It is a new year indeed. But SCI has been around for more than 30 years. I remember posting here in 1986. Arindam is a very special poster. He is erudite and a defender of righteousness. He never shirked from accepting his errors, if any, and
induction, for the world) come true this year. Who knows what will happen! I reciprocate his good wishes and so hope his dreams too will come true. At any rate we have had a scintillating exchange, the proof of which is shown by the amount of noiseI feel overwhelmed by this unsolicited testimonial from the oldest and highly respected netizen of sci, who still retains hope in the worth of this medium, the last bastion of free speech in the world. I do hope his good wishes for me (and by
side of the chest.As usual I have a question for him. While reading Ramana Maharshi's book on "Who am I?" I noticed that the maharshi claimed that Self (note the capitalization) originates in the heart. Some other spiritual leaders said Self is resident in the right
removed, we are one with the divine entities, the individual spirits, or amalgamated spirits. By "heart" I suppose the maharishi is telling us that we should be more governed by emotion as opposed to raw intellect. In other words, by being emotional weThese are deep questions. I cannot answer them to everyone's satisfaction. As far as I am concerned, from the Vedic perspective we are all Gods and Goddesses in mortal form. Our ignorance prevents us from seeing that. When that veil of ignorance is
the self, I am not sure about the precedence.Then the nadis or nerves that were counted to be more than 100 the prominent among them being "ida, pingala, sushumna". Are they for real?Sorry biological questions are beyond me. From the vedic perspective we are as a self composed of overlapping layers, and the physical body, much like the Physical and Data Layers in ISO-OSI telecom stack are the lowest. There are higher layers for
which is supposed to be at the base of the spinal cord.A third reference of physical body is the "dahar akash". It is supposed to be a space inside the chest where a lotus hangs upside down. It is a microcosm of the infinite universe.Probably symbolic of something, beyond me.
A fourth reference to the physical body is, of course, chakras (mooladhara, swadishttana, anahita, visudha, agna, sahararaka, etc.) One can't see them otherwise the MRI would have caught if they are centers of energy. The same is true of kundalini
words of a sage may have limited scope in time and space - in other words, later generations may find them wrong, or obsolete.This is beyond me. Looks like these are Buddhist and Tantric concepts.
A fifth reference is to the senses and limbs which is non-controversial. Everyone accepts that senses are not reliable and can cause false knowledge.On the subjective basis, yes. On the objective basis, we have better luck with the honest scientific methods.
My question is: where from the hindu sages got these things? Are they in vedas? I searched the upanishads in vain. Any clarification will be gratefully acknowledged.Hindu is a loose term. Many things which are not Vedic/Upanishadic let alone Puranic have come under this label. A sage is a sage. He or she is accepted as such by public opinion, for surpassing wisdom or useful guidance. Unlike the scriptures, the
Regards
Cheers,Welcome back, sir. Fair enough that you don't deal with biological references in the scripture.
Arindam Banerjee
After all, they are sages, not doctors. However, there is a huge industry of yoga practitioners
that peddles the chakras as real. They have tons of web pages advertising chakras and kundalini.
As mentioned even Ramana maharshi believes in chakras and pancha kosas. The Taittareeya
upanishad elaborates on pancha kosas. We have enough to deal with about atman. Why
these addons?
Also breath control (praanayaama) is suggested by many swamijis to keep
mind under control. I have tried it several times. As soon as I return to normal breathing,
the mind is back as usual. Any thoughts?
Regards
On Thursday, 12 January 2023 at 13:19:38 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:correcting others' errors like a gentleman. His knowledge of hinduism and physics is legendary. He authored a published work on Hindu puranas that speaks louder than words. I am very fortunate to have received his tutelage on SCI.
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:25:32 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Tuesday, 3 January 2023 at 09:29:51 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
It is a new year indeed. But SCI has been around for more than 30 years. I remember posting here in 1986. Arindam is a very special poster. He is erudite and a defender of righteousness. He never shirked from accepting his errors, if any, and
induction, for the world) come true this year. Who knows what will happen! I reciprocate his good wishes and so hope his dreams too will come true. At any rate we have had a scintillating exchange, the proof of which is shown by the amount of noiseI feel overwhelmed by this unsolicited testimonial from the oldest and highly respected netizen of sci, who still retains hope in the worth of this medium, the last bastion of free speech in the world. I do hope his good wishes for me (and by
right side of the chest.As usual I have a question for him. While reading Ramana Maharshi's book on "Who am I?" I noticed that the maharshi claimed that Self (note the capitalization) originates in the heart. Some other spiritual leaders said Self is resident in the
removed, we are one with the divine entities, the individual spirits, or amalgamated spirits. By "heart" I suppose the maharishi is telling us that we should be more governed by emotion as opposed to raw intellect. In other words, by being emotional weThese are deep questions. I cannot answer them to everyone's satisfaction. As far as I am concerned, from the Vedic perspective we are all Gods and Goddesses in mortal form. Our ignorance prevents us from seeing that. When that veil of ignorance is
the self, I am not sure about the precedence.Then the nadis or nerves that were counted to be more than 100 the prominent among them being "ida, pingala, sushumna". Are they for real?Sorry biological questions are beyond me. From the vedic perspective we are as a self composed of overlapping layers, and the physical body, much like the Physical and Data Layers in ISO-OSI telecom stack are the lowest. There are higher layers for
kundalini which is supposed to be at the base of the spinal cord.A third reference of physical body is the "dahar akash". It is supposed to be a space inside the chest where a lotus hangs upside down. It is a microcosm of the infinite universe.Probably symbolic of something, beyond me.
A fourth reference to the physical body is, of course, chakras (mooladhara, swadishttana, anahita, visudha, agna, sahararaka, etc.) One can't see them otherwise the MRI would have caught if they are centers of energy. The same is true of
words of a sage may have limited scope in time and space - in other words, later generations may find them wrong, or obsolete.This is beyond me. Looks like these are Buddhist and Tantric concepts.
A fifth reference is to the senses and limbs which is non-controversial. Everyone accepts that senses are not reliable and can cause false knowledge.On the subjective basis, yes. On the objective basis, we have better luck with the honest scientific methods.
My question is: where from the hindu sages got these things? Are they in vedas? I searched the upanishads in vain. Any clarification will be gratefully acknowledged.Hindu is a loose term. Many things which are not Vedic/Upanishadic let alone Puranic have come under this label. A sage is a sage. He or she is accepted as such by public opinion, for surpassing wisdom or useful guidance. Unlike the scriptures, the
the singular body parts, then the systems (endocrine, etc.) at a higher level. Medicine is usually concerned with these two levels. However our healing systems go further, as per an article I read by a Brigadier who was an army doctor. Over the body,Regards
To my thinking, these add-ons have to do with our Indian-Hindu-Buddhist-tantric notion of our very selves. As I indicated earlier, our integrated self is composed of several overlapping selves, like the OSI layers for computer communication. Lowest areCheers,Welcome back, sir. Fair enough that you don't deal with biological references in the scripture.
Arindam Banerjee
After all, they are sages, not doctors. However, there is a huge industry of yoga practitioners
that peddles the chakras as real. They have tons of web pages advertising chakras and kundalini.
As mentioned even Ramana maharshi believes in chakras and pancha kosas. The Taittareeya
upanishad elaborates on pancha kosas. We have enough to deal with about atman. Why
these addons?
recommended.Also breath control (praanayaama) is suggested by many swamijis to keepNothing unusual there. Some are strong, some are weak. A strongman said that breath control was essential for his work. I am at a basic stage. When using some gym equipment I exhale while doing force, and inhale when relaxing the force. Just what is
mind under control. I have tried it several times. As soon as I return to normal breathing,
the mind is back as usual. Any thoughts?
Regards
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:26:52 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:correcting others' errors like a gentleman. His knowledge of hinduism and physics is legendary. He authored a published work on Hindu puranas that speaks louder than words. I am very fortunate to have received his tutelage on SCI.
On Thursday, 12 January 2023 at 13:19:38 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:25:32 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Tuesday, 3 January 2023 at 09:29:51 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
It is a new year indeed. But SCI has been around for more than 30 years. I remember posting here in 1986. Arindam is a very special poster. He is erudite and a defender of righteousness. He never shirked from accepting his errors, if any, and
induction, for the world) come true this year. Who knows what will happen! I reciprocate his good wishes and so hope his dreams too will come true. At any rate we have had a scintillating exchange, the proof of which is shown by the amount of noiseI feel overwhelmed by this unsolicited testimonial from the oldest and highly respected netizen of sci, who still retains hope in the worth of this medium, the last bastion of free speech in the world. I do hope his good wishes for me (and by
right side of the chest.As usual I have a question for him. While reading Ramana Maharshi's book on "Who am I?" I noticed that the maharshi claimed that Self (note the capitalization) originates in the heart. Some other spiritual leaders said Self is resident in the
is removed, we are one with the divine entities, the individual spirits, or amalgamated spirits. By "heart" I suppose the maharishi is telling us that we should be more governed by emotion as opposed to raw intellect. In other words, by being emotionalThese are deep questions. I cannot answer them to everyone's satisfaction. As far as I am concerned, from the Vedic perspective we are all Gods and Goddesses in mortal form. Our ignorance prevents us from seeing that. When that veil of ignorance
for the self, I am not sure about the precedence.Then the nadis or nerves that were counted to be more than 100 the prominent among them being "ida, pingala, sushumna". Are they for real?Sorry biological questions are beyond me. From the vedic perspective we are as a self composed of overlapping layers, and the physical body, much like the Physical and Data Layers in ISO-OSI telecom stack are the lowest. There are higher layers
kundalini which is supposed to be at the base of the spinal cord.A third reference of physical body is the "dahar akash". It is supposed to be a space inside the chest where a lotus hangs upside down. It is a microcosm of the infinite universe.Probably symbolic of something, beyond me.
A fourth reference to the physical body is, of course, chakras (mooladhara, swadishttana, anahita, visudha, agna, sahararaka, etc.) One can't see them otherwise the MRI would have caught if they are centers of energy. The same is true of
the words of a sage may have limited scope in time and space - in other words, later generations may find them wrong, or obsolete.This is beyond me. Looks like these are Buddhist and Tantric concepts.
A fifth reference is to the senses and limbs which is non-controversial. Everyone accepts that senses are not reliable and can cause false knowledge.On the subjective basis, yes. On the objective basis, we have better luck with the honest scientific methods.
My question is: where from the hindu sages got these things? Are they in vedas? I searched the upanishads in vain. Any clarification will be gratefully acknowledged.Hindu is a loose term. Many things which are not Vedic/Upanishadic let alone Puranic have come under this label. A sage is a sage. He or she is accepted as such by public opinion, for surpassing wisdom or useful guidance. Unlike the scriptures,
are the singular body parts, then the systems (endocrine, etc.) at a higher level. Medicine is usually concerned with these two levels. However our healing systems go further, as per an article I read by a Brigadier who was an army doctor. Over the body,Regards
To my thinking, these add-ons have to do with our Indian-Hindu-Buddhist-tantric notion of our very selves. As I indicated earlier, our integrated self is composed of several overlapping selves, like the OSI layers for computer communication. LowestCheers,Welcome back, sir. Fair enough that you don't deal with biological references in the scripture.
Arindam Banerjee
After all, they are sages, not doctors. However, there is a huge industry of yoga practitioners
that peddles the chakras as real. They have tons of web pages advertising chakras and kundalini.
As mentioned even Ramana maharshi believes in chakras and pancha kosas. The Taittareeya
upanishad elaborates on pancha kosas. We have enough to deal with about atman. Why
these addons?
Hopefully the waitress didn't charge you extra! Your observations about pancha kOsas [annamaya (physical), praanamaya (vital force), manOmaya (mind), vignaanamaya (wisdom), and aanandamaya(bliss)] make sense. So should a doctor tell his patient "Lookyour praanamaya kOsa is weak. Try to do exercise"? Then it won't be called evidence-based practice.
Upon questioned the doctor might say "This is what my teachers told me about human body".
Consider astronomy where people are peering through telescopes at all kinds of things. Heaven and hell are not to be seen. This makes me believe karma has to be worked out in the present life not in some reincarnation. So the theory that soul afterdeath leaves from sahasraaraka (thousand petal lotus on the head), wraps itself with sookshma (subtle) sareera and goes along uttaraayana or dakshinaayana paths is wonderful but not observed in reality.
My questions to you: can't hinduism stand on its own without such theories? In other words, what remains in hinduism after we eliminate the meta-physical theories such as chakras, kundalini, kOsaas, praanayaama? Can we get rid of taantrika and yogawithout losing the essential flavor of hinduism? Since vEdas are pramaana, then should we carry out yagna and such rituals ignoring the meta-physics in upanishads? So do you want children? Don't go to a fertility doctor but perform putrakaamEshti yaaga.
recommended.Also breath control (praanayaama) is suggested by many swamijis to keepNothing unusual there. Some are strong, some are weak. A strongman said that breath control was essential for his work. I am at a basic stage. When using some gym equipment I exhale while doing force, and inhale when relaxing the force. Just what is
mind under control. I have tried it several times. As soon as I return to normal breathing,
the mind is back as usual. Any thoughts?
Regards
On Friday, 13 January 2023 at 09:47:37 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:correcting others' errors like a gentleman. His knowledge of hinduism and physics is legendary. He authored a published work on Hindu puranas that speaks louder than words. I am very fortunate to have received his tutelage on SCI.
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:26:52 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Thursday, 12 January 2023 at 13:19:38 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:25:32 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Tuesday, 3 January 2023 at 09:29:51 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
It is a new year indeed. But SCI has been around for more than 30 years. I remember posting here in 1986. Arindam is a very special poster. He is erudite and a defender of righteousness. He never shirked from accepting his errors, if any, and
induction, for the world) come true this year. Who knows what will happen! I reciprocate his good wishes and so hope his dreams too will come true. At any rate we have had a scintillating exchange, the proof of which is shown by the amount of noiseI feel overwhelmed by this unsolicited testimonial from the oldest and highly respected netizen of sci, who still retains hope in the worth of this medium, the last bastion of free speech in the world. I do hope his good wishes for me (and by
right side of the chest.As usual I have a question for him. While reading Ramana Maharshi's book on "Who am I?" I noticed that the maharshi claimed that Self (note the capitalization) originates in the heart. Some other spiritual leaders said Self is resident in the
ignorance is removed, we are one with the divine entities, the individual spirits, or amalgamated spirits. By "heart" I suppose the maharishi is telling us that we should be more governed by emotion as opposed to raw intellect. In other words, by beingThese are deep questions. I cannot answer them to everyone's satisfaction. As far as I am concerned, from the Vedic perspective we are all Gods and Goddesses in mortal form. Our ignorance prevents us from seeing that. When that veil of
for the self, I am not sure about the precedence.Then the nadis or nerves that were counted to be more than 100 the prominent among them being "ida, pingala, sushumna". Are they for real?Sorry biological questions are beyond me. From the vedic perspective we are as a self composed of overlapping layers, and the physical body, much like the Physical and Data Layers in ISO-OSI telecom stack are the lowest. There are higher layers
kundalini which is supposed to be at the base of the spinal cord.A third reference of physical body is the "dahar akash". It is supposed to be a space inside the chest where a lotus hangs upside down. It is a microcosm of the infinite universe.Probably symbolic of something, beyond me.
A fourth reference to the physical body is, of course, chakras (mooladhara, swadishttana, anahita, visudha, agna, sahararaka, etc.) One can't see them otherwise the MRI would have caught if they are centers of energy. The same is true of
the words of a sage may have limited scope in time and space - in other words, later generations may find them wrong, or obsolete.This is beyond me. Looks like these are Buddhist and Tantric concepts.
A fifth reference is to the senses and limbs which is non-controversial. Everyone accepts that senses are not reliable and can cause false knowledge.On the subjective basis, yes. On the objective basis, we have better luck with the honest scientific methods.
My question is: where from the hindu sages got these things? Are they in vedas? I searched the upanishads in vain. Any clarification will be gratefully acknowledged.Hindu is a loose term. Many things which are not Vedic/Upanishadic let alone Puranic have come under this label. A sage is a sage. He or she is accepted as such by public opinion, for surpassing wisdom or useful guidance. Unlike the scriptures,
are the singular body parts, then the systems (endocrine, etc.) at a higher level. Medicine is usually concerned with these two levels. However our healing systems go further, as per an article I read by a Brigadier who was an army doctor. Over the body,Regards
To my thinking, these add-ons have to do with our Indian-Hindu-Buddhist-tantric notion of our very selves. As I indicated earlier, our integrated self is composed of several overlapping selves, like the OSI layers for computer communication. LowestCheers,Welcome back, sir. Fair enough that you don't deal with biological references in the scripture.
Arindam Banerjee
After all, they are sages, not doctors. However, there is a huge industry of yoga practitioners
that peddles the chakras as real. They have tons of web pages advertising chakras and kundalini.
As mentioned even Ramana maharshi believes in chakras and pancha kosas. The Taittareeya
upanishad elaborates on pancha kosas. We have enough to deal with about atman. Why
these addons?
your praanamaya kOsa is weak. Try to do exercise"? Then it won't be called evidence-based practice.Hopefully the waitress didn't charge you extra! Your observations about pancha kOsas [annamaya (physical), praanamaya (vital force), manOmaya (mind), vignaanamaya (wisdom), and aanandamaya(bliss)] make sense. So should a doctor tell his patient "Look
the Western world.Upon questioned the doctor might say "This is what my teachers told me about human body".No, she did not charge extra. Just had a long chat. I believe that some people have special gifts. She could be one of them. My gurudev had special gifts. Basically it is a believe it or not case. No argument. The notion of the halo is there, even in
Modern medicine is called a racket by many. It is certainly expensive. Preventon of disease is the best policy, so whatever helps in that is good. My guru for keeping healthy is the widsom of Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud. Thanks to him, and his boots remedy,I keep colds away.
death leaves from sahasraaraka (thousand petal lotus on the head), wraps itself with sookshma (subtle) sareera and goes along uttaraayana or dakshinaayana paths is wonderful but not observed in reality.Consider astronomy where people are peering through telescopes at all kinds of things. Heaven and hell are not to be seen. This makes me believe karma has to be worked out in the present life not in some reincarnation. So the theory that soul after
Reality is that people thought not too long ago that the sun moved around the Earth, as that was only obvious.without losing the essential flavor of hinduism? Since vEdas are pramaana, then should we carry out yagna and such rituals ignoring the meta-physics in upanishads? So do you want children? Don't go to a fertility doctor but perform putrakaamEshti yaaga.
So we who are wise see beyond what is seemingly obvious.
My questions to you: can't hinduism stand on its own without such theories? In other words, what remains in hinduism after we eliminate the meta-physical theories such as chakras, kundalini, kOsaas, praanayaama? Can we get rid of taantrika and yoga
Hinduism is not based upon theories or dogma. It is based upon popular opinion, which being huge could not be destroyed by the energetic hostiles.do not care for the One True God). After that, it is every man for himself, to make of his understanding what he will, and absorb or reject as he pleases.
It is vast and flexible in scope; in practice often narrow and limited; overall changing emphasis on some issues at certain times and places, but logically can be seen as not what is JCI, nor its associated atheism (meaning we are atheists because we
There is the social dimension, which all know has to be honoured, for unity and fun, depth and inspiration, time-pass and serenity. Hinduism does make calls upon the purse, from time to time, but those can be more safely ignored as compared to otherfaiths. That way, it is free and cheap, so it is attractive.
The big words you mention make no sense to me, nor to any HIndu I know. We all live very well without knowing them, thank you.is recommended.
Also breath control (praanayaama) is suggested by many swamijis to keepNothing unusual there. Some are strong, some are weak. A strongman said that breath control was essential for his work. I am at a basic stage. When using some gym equipment I exhale while doing force, and inhale when relaxing the force. Just what
mind under control. I have tried it several times. As soon as I return to normal breathing,
the mind is back as usual. Any thoughts?
Regards
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 10:38:58 PM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:and correcting others' errors like a gentleman. His knowledge of hinduism and physics is legendary. He authored a published work on Hindu puranas that speaks louder than words. I am very fortunate to have received his tutelage on SCI.
On Friday, 13 January 2023 at 09:47:37 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:26:52 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Thursday, 12 January 2023 at 13:19:38 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:25:32 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Tuesday, 3 January 2023 at 09:29:51 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
It is a new year indeed. But SCI has been around for more than 30 years. I remember posting here in 1986. Arindam is a very special poster. He is erudite and a defender of righteousness. He never shirked from accepting his errors, if any,
induction, for the world) come true this year. Who knows what will happen! I reciprocate his good wishes and so hope his dreams too will come true. At any rate we have had a scintillating exchange, the proof of which is shown by the amount of noiseI feel overwhelmed by this unsolicited testimonial from the oldest and highly respected netizen of sci, who still retains hope in the worth of this medium, the last bastion of free speech in the world. I do hope his good wishes for me (and by
the right side of the chest.As usual I have a question for him. While reading Ramana Maharshi's book on "Who am I?" I noticed that the maharshi claimed that Self (note the capitalization) originates in the heart. Some other spiritual leaders said Self is resident in
ignorance is removed, we are one with the divine entities, the individual spirits, or amalgamated spirits. By "heart" I suppose the maharishi is telling us that we should be more governed by emotion as opposed to raw intellect. In other words, by beingThese are deep questions. I cannot answer them to everyone's satisfaction. As far as I am concerned, from the Vedic perspective we are all Gods and Goddesses in mortal form. Our ignorance prevents us from seeing that. When that veil of
layers for the self, I am not sure about the precedence.Then the nadis or nerves that were counted to be more than 100 the prominent among them being "ida, pingala, sushumna". Are they for real?Sorry biological questions are beyond me. From the vedic perspective we are as a self composed of overlapping layers, and the physical body, much like the Physical and Data Layers in ISO-OSI telecom stack are the lowest. There are higher
kundalini which is supposed to be at the base of the spinal cord.A third reference of physical body is the "dahar akash". It is supposed to be a space inside the chest where a lotus hangs upside down. It is a microcosm of the infinite universe.Probably symbolic of something, beyond me.
A fourth reference to the physical body is, of course, chakras (mooladhara, swadishttana, anahita, visudha, agna, sahararaka, etc.) One can't see them otherwise the MRI would have caught if they are centers of energy. The same is true of
scriptures, the words of a sage may have limited scope in time and space - in other words, later generations may find them wrong, or obsolete.This is beyond me. Looks like these are Buddhist and Tantric concepts.
A fifth reference is to the senses and limbs which is non-controversial. Everyone accepts that senses are not reliable and can cause false knowledge.On the subjective basis, yes. On the objective basis, we have better luck with the honest scientific methods.
My question is: where from the hindu sages got these things? Are they in vedas? I searched the upanishads in vain. Any clarification will be gratefully acknowledged.Hindu is a loose term. Many things which are not Vedic/Upanishadic let alone Puranic have come under this label. A sage is a sage. He or she is accepted as such by public opinion, for surpassing wisdom or useful guidance. Unlike the
Lowest are the singular body parts, then the systems (endocrine, etc.) at a higher level. Medicine is usually concerned with these two levels. However our healing systems go further, as per an article I read by a Brigadier who was an army doctor. OverRegards
To my thinking, these add-ons have to do with our Indian-Hindu-Buddhist-tantric notion of our very selves. As I indicated earlier, our integrated self is composed of several overlapping selves, like the OSI layers for computer communication.Cheers,Welcome back, sir. Fair enough that you don't deal with biological references in the scripture.
Arindam Banerjee
After all, they are sages, not doctors. However, there is a huge industry of yoga practitioners
that peddles the chakras as real. They have tons of web pages advertising chakras and kundalini.
As mentioned even Ramana maharshi believes in chakras and pancha kosas. The Taittareeya
upanishad elaborates on pancha kosas. We have enough to deal with about atman. Why
these addons?
Look your praanamaya kOsa is weak. Try to do exercise"? Then it won't be called evidence-based practice.Hopefully the waitress didn't charge you extra! Your observations about pancha kOsas [annamaya (physical), praanamaya (vital force), manOmaya (mind), vignaanamaya (wisdom), and aanandamaya(bliss)] make sense. So should a doctor tell his patient "
the Western world.Upon questioned the doctor might say "This is what my teachers told me about human body".No, she did not charge extra. Just had a long chat. I believe that some people have special gifts. She could be one of them. My gurudev had special gifts. Basically it is a believe it or not case. No argument. The notion of the halo is there, even in
I keep colds away.Modern medicine is called a racket by many. It is certainly expensive. Preventon of disease is the best policy, so whatever helps in that is good. My guru for keeping healthy is the widsom of Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud. Thanks to him, and his boots remedy,
death leaves from sahasraaraka (thousand petal lotus on the head), wraps itself with sookshma (subtle) sareera and goes along uttaraayana or dakshinaayana paths is wonderful but not observed in reality.Consider astronomy where people are peering through telescopes at all kinds of things. Heaven and hell are not to be seen. This makes me believe karma has to be worked out in the present life not in some reincarnation. So the theory that soul after
without losing the essential flavor of hinduism? Since vEdas are pramaana, then should we carry out yagna and such rituals ignoring the meta-physics in upanishads? So do you want children? Don't go to a fertility doctor but perform putrakaamEshti yaaga.Reality is that people thought not too long ago that the sun moved around the Earth, as that was only obvious.
So we who are wise see beyond what is seemingly obvious.
My questions to you: can't hinduism stand on its own without such theories? In other words, what remains in hinduism after we eliminate the meta-physical theories such as chakras, kundalini, kOsaas, praanayaama? Can we get rid of taantrika and yoga
do not care for the One True God). After that, it is every man for himself, to make of his understanding what he will, and absorb or reject as he pleases.Hinduism is not based upon theories or dogma. It is based upon popular opinion, which being huge could not be destroyed by the energetic hostiles.
It is vast and flexible in scope; in practice often narrow and limited; overall changing emphasis on some issues at certain times and places, but logically can be seen as not what is JCI, nor its associated atheism (meaning we are atheists because we
What is JCI? Jesus Christ Industry?No, I mean Judaism, Christianity, Islam.
Taittireeya upanishad cautions against wasting water, fire, etc. It is a good advice. Also it emphasizes on
truth, honesty, etc. No objection there. But it has slokas about pancha kosas that are fiction. Guess one has
to pick and choose what makes sense. However, aren't vedas a snap shot in time when the vedic culture just
started?
Is that snap shot valid after eons?
Also, some Indologists opine the vedic culture was imported
into Bharat by Aryans from the north.
That is suspicious as it is often claimed that Brahman givesThey probably mean the trillion year cycles of the birth and death of stars, and the rebirth.
vedas after every creation following destruction of the universe.
I think the epics and smritis stand on their own merit. The technology has changed but the human quintessence is
the same. If the smritis owe their genesis to Aryan invasion, then they are suspicious. In other words
the natives of Bharat had to be educated about civilization. Now Indians/hindus are giving the Aryans--loosely
translated as westerners--their due back with yoga, chakras, etc. Can you think of life without technology that
progresses because of energy resources? Will humans ever revert to the trEtaa yuga or dwaapara yuga technology
that conserves various resources? If we run out of electricity, we may have to live in caves and forests like
the ancient sages did. Should we do it voluntarily so that the energy resources last longer?
Regardsfaiths. That way, it is free and cheap, so it is attractive.
There is the social dimension, which all know has to be honoured, for unity and fun, depth and inspiration, time-pass and serenity. Hinduism does make calls upon the purse, from time to time, but those can be more safely ignored as compared to other
is recommended.The big words you mention make no sense to me, nor to any HIndu I know. We all live very well without knowing them, thank you.
Also breath control (praanayaama) is suggested by many swamijis to keepNothing unusual there. Some are strong, some are weak. A strongman said that breath control was essential for his work. I am at a basic stage. When using some gym equipment I exhale while doing force, and inhale when relaxing the force. Just what
mind under control. I have tried it several times. As soon as I return to normal breathing,
the mind is back as usual. Any thoughts?
Regards
Taittireeya upanishad cautions against wasting water, fire, etc. It iscautions?
a good advice. Also it emphasizes on
truth, honesty, etc. No objection there. But it has slokas about
pancha kosas that are fiction.
* gandikotam <b9052459-a534-4f4b-99ed-4d9adbe56f27n @googlegroups.com> : Wrote on Sat, 14 Jan 2023 09:52:51 -0800 (PST):
Taittireeya upanishad cautions against wasting water, fire, etc. It iscautions?
a good advice. Also it emphasizes onThe charge "it is fiction" is flawed. I don't know how you are
truth, honesty, etc. No objection there. But it has slokas about
pancha kosas that are fiction.
approaching this, but it prescribes a plan for meditation and
contemplation as a practice - on the evolution and relationships of categories. It obviously isn't a physics text. Unless you believed it
was a text on physical sciences and approached it that way (which is foolish), your charge is not justified. "fiction" is a literary term,
the upanishads (or the bible) are not "fiction" in that sense.
On Saturday, 14 January 2023 at 23:22:54 UTC+5:30, gandikotam wrote:and correcting others' errors like a gentleman. His knowledge of hinduism and physics is legendary. He authored a published work on Hindu puranas that speaks louder than words. I am very fortunate to have received his tutelage on SCI.
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 10:38:58 PM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Friday, 13 January 2023 at 09:47:37 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:26:52 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Thursday, 12 January 2023 at 13:19:38 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:25:32 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Tuesday, 3 January 2023 at 09:29:51 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
It is a new year indeed. But SCI has been around for more than 30 years. I remember posting here in 1986. Arindam is a very special poster. He is erudite and a defender of righteousness. He never shirked from accepting his errors, if any,
by induction, for the world) come true this year. Who knows what will happen! I reciprocate his good wishes and so hope his dreams too will come true. At any rate we have had a scintillating exchange, the proof of which is shown by the amount of noiseI feel overwhelmed by this unsolicited testimonial from the oldest and highly respected netizen of sci, who still retains hope in the worth of this medium, the last bastion of free speech in the world. I do hope his good wishes for me (and
the right side of the chest.As usual I have a question for him. While reading Ramana Maharshi's book on "Who am I?" I noticed that the maharshi claimed that Self (note the capitalization) originates in the heart. Some other spiritual leaders said Self is resident in
ignorance is removed, we are one with the divine entities, the individual spirits, or amalgamated spirits. By "heart" I suppose the maharishi is telling us that we should be more governed by emotion as opposed to raw intellect. In other words, by beingThese are deep questions. I cannot answer them to everyone's satisfaction. As far as I am concerned, from the Vedic perspective we are all Gods and Goddesses in mortal form. Our ignorance prevents us from seeing that. When that veil of
layers for the self, I am not sure about the precedence.Then the nadis or nerves that were counted to be more than 100 the prominent among them being "ida, pingala, sushumna". Are they for real?Sorry biological questions are beyond me. From the vedic perspective we are as a self composed of overlapping layers, and the physical body, much like the Physical and Data Layers in ISO-OSI telecom stack are the lowest. There are higher
kundalini which is supposed to be at the base of the spinal cord.A third reference of physical body is the "dahar akash". It is supposed to be a space inside the chest where a lotus hangs upside down. It is a microcosm of the infinite universe.Probably symbolic of something, beyond me.
A fourth reference to the physical body is, of course, chakras (mooladhara, swadishttana, anahita, visudha, agna, sahararaka, etc.) One can't see them otherwise the MRI would have caught if they are centers of energy. The same is true of
scriptures, the words of a sage may have limited scope in time and space - in other words, later generations may find them wrong, or obsolete.This is beyond me. Looks like these are Buddhist and Tantric concepts.
A fifth reference is to the senses and limbs which is non-controversial. Everyone accepts that senses are not reliable and can cause false knowledge.On the subjective basis, yes. On the objective basis, we have better luck with the honest scientific methods.
My question is: where from the hindu sages got these things? Are they in vedas? I searched the upanishads in vain. Any clarification will be gratefully acknowledged.Hindu is a loose term. Many things which are not Vedic/Upanishadic let alone Puranic have come under this label. A sage is a sage. He or she is accepted as such by public opinion, for surpassing wisdom or useful guidance. Unlike the
Lowest are the singular body parts, then the systems (endocrine, etc.) at a higher level. Medicine is usually concerned with these two levels. However our healing systems go further, as per an article I read by a Brigadier who was an army doctor. OverRegards
To my thinking, these add-ons have to do with our Indian-Hindu-Buddhist-tantric notion of our very selves. As I indicated earlier, our integrated self is composed of several overlapping selves, like the OSI layers for computer communication.Cheers,Welcome back, sir. Fair enough that you don't deal with biological references in the scripture.
Arindam Banerjee
After all, they are sages, not doctors. However, there is a huge industry of yoga practitioners
that peddles the chakras as real. They have tons of web pages advertising chakras and kundalini.
As mentioned even Ramana maharshi believes in chakras and pancha kosas. The Taittareeya
upanishad elaborates on pancha kosas. We have enough to deal with about atman. Why
these addons?
Look your praanamaya kOsa is weak. Try to do exercise"? Then it won't be called evidence-based practice.Hopefully the waitress didn't charge you extra! Your observations about pancha kOsas [annamaya (physical), praanamaya (vital force), manOmaya (mind), vignaanamaya (wisdom), and aanandamaya(bliss)] make sense. So should a doctor tell his patient "
in the Western world.Upon questioned the doctor might say "This is what my teachers told me about human body".No, she did not charge extra. Just had a long chat. I believe that some people have special gifts. She could be one of them. My gurudev had special gifts. Basically it is a believe it or not case. No argument. The notion of the halo is there, even
remedy, I keep colds away.Modern medicine is called a racket by many. It is certainly expensive. Preventon of disease is the best policy, so whatever helps in that is good. My guru for keeping healthy is the widsom of Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud. Thanks to him, and his boots
after death leaves from sahasraaraka (thousand petal lotus on the head), wraps itself with sookshma (subtle) sareera and goes along uttaraayana or dakshinaayana paths is wonderful but not observed in reality.Consider astronomy where people are peering through telescopes at all kinds of things. Heaven and hell are not to be seen. This makes me believe karma has to be worked out in the present life not in some reincarnation. So the theory that soul
yoga without losing the essential flavor of hinduism? Since vEdas are pramaana, then should we carry out yagna and such rituals ignoring the meta-physics in upanishads? So do you want children? Don't go to a fertility doctor but perform putrakaamEshtiReality is that people thought not too long ago that the sun moved around the Earth, as that was only obvious.
So we who are wise see beyond what is seemingly obvious.
My questions to you: can't hinduism stand on its own without such theories? In other words, what remains in hinduism after we eliminate the meta-physical theories such as chakras, kundalini, kOsaas, praanayaama? Can we get rid of taantrika and
we do not care for the One True God). After that, it is every man for himself, to make of his understanding what he will, and absorb or reject as he pleases.Hinduism is not based upon theories or dogma. It is based upon popular opinion, which being huge could not be destroyed by the energetic hostiles.
It is vast and flexible in scope; in practice often narrow and limited; overall changing emphasis on some issues at certain times and places, but logically can be seen as not what is JCI, nor its associated atheism (meaning we are atheists because
What is JCI? Jesus Christ Industry?No, I mean Judaism, Christianity, Islam.
Taittireeya upanishad cautions against wasting water, fire, etc. It is a good advice. Also it emphasizes on
truth, honesty, etc. No objection there. But it has slokas about pancha kosas that are fiction. Guess one has
to pick and choose what makes sense. However, aren't vedas a snap shot in time when the vedic culture just
started?
No, they are the main scripture for Hindus, following the Puranas, and explained by the Upanishads, and put in daily practice by prayers. Vedic culture did not start anytime. It was always there. Time eternal and space infinite, is the way of theuniverse .
Is that snap shot valid after eons?Yes. Thanks to generations of brahmin scholars, we still have it in pure form. Hostiles could not mangle it, so it is as sweet as ever.
It is timeless, beyond the scope of time. It is the condensed wisdom from and about the Gods and Goddesses. It is up to the individual to internalise it as best possible, or simply venerate.other faiths. That way, it is free and cheap, so it is attractive.
Also, some Indologists opine the vedic culture was importedThey had their day.
into Bharat by Aryans from the north.
That is suspicious as it is often claimed that Brahman givesThey probably mean the trillion year cycles of the birth and death of stars, and the rebirth.
vedas after every creation following destruction of the universe.
Many scientific notions are there in the Vedas, which are coming to light with my new physics.
The universe being infinite cannot have a beginning, nor an end.
But stars and solar systems go through phases, as I explained late last year.
I think the epics and smritis stand on their own merit. The technology has changed but the human quintessence isNo worries about energy, with the sun shining, the oceansfull, and the HTN. Htnresearch.com tells all. Enough energy for all, everywhere. And off to the stars we go, not dirty as now with stupid rockets.
the same. If the smritis owe their genesis to Aryan invasion, then they are suspicious. In other words
the natives of Bharat had to be educated about civilization. Now Indians/hindus are giving the Aryans--loosely
translated as westerners--their due back with yoga, chakras, etc. Can you think of life without technology that
progresses because of energy resources? Will humans ever revert to the trEtaa yuga or dwaapara yuga technology
that conserves various resources? If we run out of electricity, we may have to live in caves and forests like
the ancient sages did. Should we do it voluntarily so that the energy resources last longer?
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
Regards
There is the social dimension, which all know has to be honoured, for unity and fun, depth and inspiration, time-pass and serenity. Hinduism does make calls upon the purse, from time to time, but those can be more safely ignored as compared to
what is recommended.The big words you mention make no sense to me, nor to any HIndu I know. We all live very well without knowing them, thank you.
Also breath control (praanayaama) is suggested by many swamijis to keepNothing unusual there. Some are strong, some are weak. A strongman said that breath control was essential for his work. I am at a basic stage. When using some gym equipment I exhale while doing force, and inhale when relaxing the force. Just
mind under control. I have tried it several times. As soon as I return to normal breathing,
the mind is back as usual. Any thoughts?
Regards
You are correct. I shoud've said it is meta-physics.
Recently I was reading a swamiji's version of heaven. According to him
in heaven one can meet people who superceded in his family
(pitru). One can have any fancy whim to meet long gone friends and
relatives fulfilled. And so on... does this qualify as fiction or
should I defer to the swamiji's wisdom?
On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 7:37:48 PM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:any, and correcting others' errors like a gentleman. His knowledge of hinduism and physics is legendary. He authored a published work on Hindu puranas that speaks louder than words. I am very fortunate to have received his tutelage on SCI.
On Saturday, 14 January 2023 at 23:22:54 UTC+5:30, gandikotam wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 10:38:58 PM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Friday, 13 January 2023 at 09:47:37 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:26:52 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Thursday, 12 January 2023 at 13:19:38 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:25:32 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Tuesday, 3 January 2023 at 09:29:51 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
It is a new year indeed. But SCI has been around for more than 30 years. I remember posting here in 1986. Arindam is a very special poster. He is erudite and a defender of righteousness. He never shirked from accepting his errors, if
and by induction, for the world) come true this year. Who knows what will happen! I reciprocate his good wishes and so hope his dreams too will come true. At any rate we have had a scintillating exchange, the proof of which is shown by the amount ofI feel overwhelmed by this unsolicited testimonial from the oldest and highly respected netizen of sci, who still retains hope in the worth of this medium, the last bastion of free speech in the world. I do hope his good wishes for me (
in the right side of the chest.As usual I have a question for him. While reading Ramana Maharshi's book on "Who am I?" I noticed that the maharshi claimed that Self (note the capitalization) originates in the heart. Some other spiritual leaders said Self is resident
ignorance is removed, we are one with the divine entities, the individual spirits, or amalgamated spirits. By "heart" I suppose the maharishi is telling us that we should be more governed by emotion as opposed to raw intellect. In other words, by beingThese are deep questions. I cannot answer them to everyone's satisfaction. As far as I am concerned, from the Vedic perspective we are all Gods and Goddesses in mortal form. Our ignorance prevents us from seeing that. When that veil of
layers for the self, I am not sure about the precedence.Then the nadis or nerves that were counted to be more than 100 the prominent among them being "ida, pingala, sushumna". Are they for real?Sorry biological questions are beyond me. From the vedic perspective we are as a self composed of overlapping layers, and the physical body, much like the Physical and Data Layers in ISO-OSI telecom stack are the lowest. There are higher
of kundalini which is supposed to be at the base of the spinal cord.A third reference of physical body is the "dahar akash". It is supposed to be a space inside the chest where a lotus hangs upside down. It is a microcosm of the infinite universe.Probably symbolic of something, beyond me.
A fourth reference to the physical body is, of course, chakras (mooladhara, swadishttana, anahita, visudha, agna, sahararaka, etc.) One can't see them otherwise the MRI would have caught if they are centers of energy. The same is true
scriptures, the words of a sage may have limited scope in time and space - in other words, later generations may find them wrong, or obsolete.This is beyond me. Looks like these are Buddhist and Tantric concepts.
A fifth reference is to the senses and limbs which is non-controversial. Everyone accepts that senses are not reliable and can cause false knowledge.On the subjective basis, yes. On the objective basis, we have better luck with the honest scientific methods.
My question is: where from the hindu sages got these things? Are they in vedas? I searched the upanishads in vain. Any clarification will be gratefully acknowledged.Hindu is a loose term. Many things which are not Vedic/Upanishadic let alone Puranic have come under this label. A sage is a sage. He or she is accepted as such by public opinion, for surpassing wisdom or useful guidance. Unlike the
Lowest are the singular body parts, then the systems (endocrine, etc.) at a higher level. Medicine is usually concerned with these two levels. However our healing systems go further, as per an article I read by a Brigadier who was an army doctor. OverRegards
To my thinking, these add-ons have to do with our Indian-Hindu-Buddhist-tantric notion of our very selves. As I indicated earlier, our integrated self is composed of several overlapping selves, like the OSI layers for computer communication.Cheers,Welcome back, sir. Fair enough that you don't deal with biological references in the scripture.
Arindam Banerjee
After all, they are sages, not doctors. However, there is a huge industry of yoga practitioners
that peddles the chakras as real. They have tons of web pages advertising chakras and kundalini.
As mentioned even Ramana maharshi believes in chakras and pancha kosas. The Taittareeya
upanishad elaborates on pancha kosas. We have enough to deal with about atman. Why
these addons?
"Look your praanamaya kOsa is weak. Try to do exercise"? Then it won't be called evidence-based practice.Hopefully the waitress didn't charge you extra! Your observations about pancha kOsas [annamaya (physical), praanamaya (vital force), manOmaya (mind), vignaanamaya (wisdom), and aanandamaya(bliss)] make sense. So should a doctor tell his patient
even in the Western world.Upon questioned the doctor might say "This is what my teachers told me about human body".No, she did not charge extra. Just had a long chat. I believe that some people have special gifts. She could be one of them. My gurudev had special gifts. Basically it is a believe it or not case. No argument. The notion of the halo is there,
remedy, I keep colds away.Modern medicine is called a racket by many. It is certainly expensive. Preventon of disease is the best policy, so whatever helps in that is good. My guru for keeping healthy is the widsom of Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud. Thanks to him, and his boots
after death leaves from sahasraaraka (thousand petal lotus on the head), wraps itself with sookshma (subtle) sareera and goes along uttaraayana or dakshinaayana paths is wonderful but not observed in reality.Consider astronomy where people are peering through telescopes at all kinds of things. Heaven and hell are not to be seen. This makes me believe karma has to be worked out in the present life not in some reincarnation. So the theory that soul
yoga without losing the essential flavor of hinduism? Since vEdas are pramaana, then should we carry out yagna and such rituals ignoring the meta-physics in upanishads? So do you want children? Don't go to a fertility doctor but perform putrakaamEshtiReality is that people thought not too long ago that the sun moved around the Earth, as that was only obvious.
So we who are wise see beyond what is seemingly obvious.
My questions to you: can't hinduism stand on its own without such theories? In other words, what remains in hinduism after we eliminate the meta-physical theories such as chakras, kundalini, kOsaas, praanayaama? Can we get rid of taantrika and
because we do not care for the One True God). After that, it is every man for himself, to make of his understanding what he will, and absorb or reject as he pleases.Hinduism is not based upon theories or dogma. It is based upon popular opinion, which being huge could not be destroyed by the energetic hostiles.
It is vast and flexible in scope; in practice often narrow and limited; overall changing emphasis on some issues at certain times and places, but logically can be seen as not what is JCI, nor its associated atheism (meaning we are atheists
universe .What is JCI? Jesus Christ Industry?No, I mean Judaism, Christianity, Islam.
Arindam:Taittireeya upanishad cautions against wasting water, fire, etc. It is a good advice. Also it emphasizes on
truth, honesty, etc. No objection there. But it has slokas about pancha kosas that are fiction. Guess one has
to pick and choose what makes sense. However, aren't vedas a snap shot in time when the vedic culture just
started?
No, they are the main scripture for Hindus, following the Puranas, and explained by the Upanishads, and put in daily practice by prayers. Vedic culture did not start anytime. It was always there. Time eternal and space infinite, is the way of the
time. Incidentally this is a quote from Prof.Eknath Easwaran's book on upanishads (pg 53):It was said that there were several vedas (more than the 4 well known ones) at one time and some of them were extinct because the brahmins who recited them could not sustain themselves. With the advent of printing the 4 vedas could last for a very longIs that snap shot valid after eons?Yes. Thanks to generations of brahmin scholars, we still have it in pure form. Hostiles could not mangle it, so it is as sweet as ever.
"If all the upanishads and all the other scriptures happened all of a sudden to be reduced to ashes, and if only
the first verse in the Ishopanishad were left in the memory of the Hindus, Hinduism would live for ever"
The verse quoted by Gandhiji in response to a journo's question about his secret of success was tEna tyaktEna bhunjitah ("Renounce and enjoy!").
Ramana maharshi in his speeches/books talked about trains and cinemas that were extant back them (circa 1950). More recently religious people are talking about electricity and world-wide-web while describing Brahman. It is interesting that they followthe recent innovations, but the vedas themselves were not modified. Isn't that duplicity?
other faiths. That way, it is free and cheap, so it is attractive.It is timeless, beyond the scope of time. It is the condensed wisdom from and about the Gods and Goddesses. It is up to the individual to internalise it as best possible, or simply venerate.
Also, some Indologists opine the vedic culture was importedThey had their day.
into Bharat by Aryans from the north.
That is suspicious as it is often claimed that Brahman givesThey probably mean the trillion year cycles of the birth and death of stars, and the rebirth.
vedas after every creation following destruction of the universe.
Many scientific notions are there in the Vedas, which are coming to light with my new physics.
The universe being infinite cannot have a beginning, nor an end.
But stars and solar systems go through phases, as I explained late last year.
I think the epics and smritis stand on their own merit. The technology has changed but the human quintessence isNo worries about energy, with the sun shining, the oceansfull, and the HTN. Htnresearch.com tells all. Enough energy for all, everywhere. And off to the stars we go, not dirty as now with stupid rockets.
the same. If the smritis owe their genesis to Aryan invasion, then they are suspicious. In other words
the natives of Bharat had to be educated about civilization. Now Indians/hindus are giving the Aryans--loosely
translated as westerners--their due back with yoga, chakras, etc. Can you think of life without technology that
progresses because of energy resources? Will humans ever revert to the trEtaa yuga or dwaapara yuga technology
that conserves various resources? If we run out of electricity, we may have to live in caves and forests like
the ancient sages did. Should we do it voluntarily so that the energy resources last longer?
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
Regards
There is the social dimension, which all know has to be honoured, for unity and fun, depth and inspiration, time-pass and serenity. Hinduism does make calls upon the purse, from time to time, but those can be more safely ignored as compared to
what is recommended.The big words you mention make no sense to me, nor to any HIndu I know. We all live very well without knowing them, thank you.
Also breath control (praanayaama) is suggested by many swamijis to keepNothing unusual there. Some are strong, some are weak. A strongman said that breath control was essential for his work. I am at a basic stage. When using some gym equipment I exhale while doing force, and inhale when relaxing the force. Just
mind under control. I have tried it several times. As soon as I return to normal breathing,
the mind is back as usual. Any thoughts?
Regards
On Tuesday, 17 January 2023 at 06:31:05 UTC+5:30, gandikotam wrote:any, and correcting others' errors like a gentleman. His knowledge of hinduism and physics is legendary. He authored a published work on Hindu puranas that speaks louder than words. I am very fortunate to have received his tutelage on SCI.
On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 7:37:48 PM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Saturday, 14 January 2023 at 23:22:54 UTC+5:30, gandikotam wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 10:38:58 PM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Friday, 13 January 2023 at 09:47:37 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:26:52 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Thursday, 12 January 2023 at 13:19:38 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:25:32 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Tuesday, 3 January 2023 at 09:29:51 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
It is a new year indeed. But SCI has been around for more than 30 years. I remember posting here in 1986. Arindam is a very special poster. He is erudite and a defender of righteousness. He never shirked from accepting his errors, if
and by induction, for the world) come true this year. Who knows what will happen! I reciprocate his good wishes and so hope his dreams too will come true. At any rate we have had a scintillating exchange, the proof of which is shown by the amount ofI feel overwhelmed by this unsolicited testimonial from the oldest and highly respected netizen of sci, who still retains hope in the worth of this medium, the last bastion of free speech in the world. I do hope his good wishes for me (
resident in the right side of the chest.As usual I have a question for him. While reading Ramana Maharshi's book on "Who am I?" I noticed that the maharshi claimed that Self (note the capitalization) originates in the heart. Some other spiritual leaders said Self is
ignorance is removed, we are one with the divine entities, the individual spirits, or amalgamated spirits. By "heart" I suppose the maharishi is telling us that we should be more governed by emotion as opposed to raw intellect. In other words, by beingThese are deep questions. I cannot answer them to everyone's satisfaction. As far as I am concerned, from the Vedic perspective we are all Gods and Goddesses in mortal form. Our ignorance prevents us from seeing that. When that veil of
higher layers for the self, I am not sure about the precedence.Then the nadis or nerves that were counted to be more than 100 the prominent among them being "ida, pingala, sushumna". Are they for real?Sorry biological questions are beyond me. From the vedic perspective we are as a self composed of overlapping layers, and the physical body, much like the Physical and Data Layers in ISO-OSI telecom stack are the lowest. There are
of kundalini which is supposed to be at the base of the spinal cord.A third reference of physical body is the "dahar akash". It is supposed to be a space inside the chest where a lotus hangs upside down. It is a microcosm of the infinite universe.Probably symbolic of something, beyond me.
A fourth reference to the physical body is, of course, chakras (mooladhara, swadishttana, anahita, visudha, agna, sahararaka, etc.) One can't see them otherwise the MRI would have caught if they are centers of energy. The same is true
scriptures, the words of a sage may have limited scope in time and space - in other words, later generations may find them wrong, or obsolete.This is beyond me. Looks like these are Buddhist and Tantric concepts.
A fifth reference is to the senses and limbs which is non-controversial. Everyone accepts that senses are not reliable and can cause false knowledge.On the subjective basis, yes. On the objective basis, we have better luck with the honest scientific methods.
My question is: where from the hindu sages got these things? Are they in vedas? I searched the upanishads in vain. Any clarification will be gratefully acknowledged.Hindu is a loose term. Many things which are not Vedic/Upanishadic let alone Puranic have come under this label. A sage is a sage. He or she is accepted as such by public opinion, for surpassing wisdom or useful guidance. Unlike the
Lowest are the singular body parts, then the systems (endocrine, etc.) at a higher level. Medicine is usually concerned with these two levels. However our healing systems go further, as per an article I read by a Brigadier who was an army doctor. OverRegards
To my thinking, these add-ons have to do with our Indian-Hindu-Buddhist-tantric notion of our very selves. As I indicated earlier, our integrated self is composed of several overlapping selves, like the OSI layers for computer communication.Cheers,Welcome back, sir. Fair enough that you don't deal with biological references in the scripture.
Arindam Banerjee
After all, they are sages, not doctors. However, there is a huge industry of yoga practitioners
that peddles the chakras as real. They have tons of web pages advertising chakras and kundalini.
As mentioned even Ramana maharshi believes in chakras and pancha kosas. The Taittareeya
upanishad elaborates on pancha kosas. We have enough to deal with about atman. Why
these addons?
patient "Look your praanamaya kOsa is weak. Try to do exercise"? Then it won't be called evidence-based practice.Hopefully the waitress didn't charge you extra! Your observations about pancha kOsas [annamaya (physical), praanamaya (vital force), manOmaya (mind), vignaanamaya (wisdom), and aanandamaya(bliss)] make sense. So should a doctor tell his
even in the Western world.Upon questioned the doctor might say "This is what my teachers told me about human body".No, she did not charge extra. Just had a long chat. I believe that some people have special gifts. She could be one of them. My gurudev had special gifts. Basically it is a believe it or not case. No argument. The notion of the halo is there,
remedy, I keep colds away.Modern medicine is called a racket by many. It is certainly expensive. Preventon of disease is the best policy, so whatever helps in that is good. My guru for keeping healthy is the widsom of Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud. Thanks to him, and his boots
after death leaves from sahasraaraka (thousand petal lotus on the head), wraps itself with sookshma (subtle) sareera and goes along uttaraayana or dakshinaayana paths is wonderful but not observed in reality.Consider astronomy where people are peering through telescopes at all kinds of things. Heaven and hell are not to be seen. This makes me believe karma has to be worked out in the present life not in some reincarnation. So the theory that soul
and yoga without losing the essential flavor of hinduism? Since vEdas are pramaana, then should we carry out yagna and such rituals ignoring the meta-physics in upanishads? So do you want children? Don't go to a fertility doctor but performReality is that people thought not too long ago that the sun moved around the Earth, as that was only obvious.
So we who are wise see beyond what is seemingly obvious.
My questions to you: can't hinduism stand on its own without such theories? In other words, what remains in hinduism after we eliminate the meta-physical theories such as chakras, kundalini, kOsaas, praanayaama? Can we get rid of taantrika
because we do not care for the One True God). After that, it is every man for himself, to make of his understanding what he will, and absorb or reject as he pleases.Hinduism is not based upon theories or dogma. It is based upon popular opinion, which being huge could not be destroyed by the energetic hostiles.
It is vast and flexible in scope; in practice often narrow and limited; overall changing emphasis on some issues at certain times and places, but logically can be seen as not what is JCI, nor its associated atheism (meaning we are atheists
universe .What is JCI? Jesus Christ Industry?No, I mean Judaism, Christianity, Islam.
Arindam:Taittireeya upanishad cautions against wasting water, fire, etc. It is a good advice. Also it emphasizes on
truth, honesty, etc. No objection there. But it has slokas about pancha kosas that are fiction. Guess one has
to pick and choose what makes sense. However, aren't vedas a snap shot in time when the vedic culture just
started?
No, they are the main scripture for Hindus, following the Puranas, and explained by the Upanishads, and put in daily practice by prayers. Vedic culture did not start anytime. It was always there. Time eternal and space infinite, is the way of the
long time. Incidentally this is a quote from Prof.Eknath Easwaran's book on upanishads (pg 53):It was said that there were several vedas (more than the 4 well known ones) at one time and some of them were extinct because the brahmins who recited them could not sustain themselves. With the advent of printing the 4 vedas could last for a veryIs that snap shot valid after eons?Yes. Thanks to generations of brahmin scholars, we still have it in pure form. Hostiles could not mangle it, so it is as sweet as ever.
Printing by itself is a curse, for that breaks the traditional method and leaves the field open to interpolation by the hostiles. They will corrupt the printed word, and then try to show it all as meaningless.
For which, they will get enough support from the pseuduhindus.follow the recent innovations, but the vedas themselves were not modified. Isn't that duplicity?
Still, so long as there has been no interpolation it is fine but we really need to hang on to the original printed works and beware of efforts to change by so called modernisation.
Then youtube is your friend, for there we have so far the correct way of prouncing the shlokas.
I will be coming out of mourning soon, so will recite the holy chandi and putit online. I surprised all, including myself, when it was done at the Duga puja in 2019.
"If all the upanishads and all the other scriptures happened all of a sudden to be reduced to ashes, and if onlyAh, would not the now baffled - by Modiji and those out to outHindu him - energetic hostiles dearly love to do that!
the first verse in the Ishopanishad were left in the memory of the Hindus, Hinduism would live for ever"
The verse quoted by Gandhiji in response to a journo's question about his secret of success was tEna tyaktEna bhunjitah ("Renounce and enjoy!").Good, let the energetic hostiles practice that and leave Hindus alone.
Ramana maharshi in his speeches/books talked about trains and cinemas that were extant back them (circa 1950). More recently religious people are talking about electricity and world-wide-web while describing Brahman. It is interesting that they
No. It is duplicity to hold that the holiest scriptures should be modified.other faiths. That way, it is free and cheap, so it is attractive.
It is timeless, beyond the scope of time. It is the condensed wisdom from and about the Gods and Goddesses. It is up to the individual to internalise it as best possible, or simply venerate.
Also, some Indologists opine the vedic culture was importedThey had their day.
into Bharat by Aryans from the north.
That is suspicious as it is often claimed that Brahman givesThey probably mean the trillion year cycles of the birth and death of stars, and the rebirth.
vedas after every creation following destruction of the universe.
Many scientific notions are there in the Vedas, which are coming to light with my new physics.
The universe being infinite cannot have a beginning, nor an end.
But stars and solar systems go through phases, as I explained late last year.
I think the epics and smritis stand on their own merit. The technology has changed but the human quintessence isNo worries about energy, with the sun shining, the oceansfull, and the HTN. Htnresearch.com tells all. Enough energy for all, everywhere. And off to the stars we go, not dirty as now with stupid rockets.
the same. If the smritis owe their genesis to Aryan invasion, then they are suspicious. In other words
the natives of Bharat had to be educated about civilization. Now Indians/hindus are giving the Aryans--loosely
translated as westerners--their due back with yoga, chakras, etc. Can you think of life without technology that
progresses because of energy resources? Will humans ever revert to the trEtaa yuga or dwaapara yuga technology
that conserves various resources? If we run out of electricity, we may have to live in caves and forests like
the ancient sages did. Should we do it voluntarily so that the energy resources last longer?
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
Regards
There is the social dimension, which all know has to be honoured, for unity and fun, depth and inspiration, time-pass and serenity. Hinduism does make calls upon the purse, from time to time, but those can be more safely ignored as compared to
Just what is recommended.The big words you mention make no sense to me, nor to any HIndu I know. We all live very well without knowing them, thank you.
Also breath control (praanayaama) is suggested by many swamijis to keepNothing unusual there. Some are strong, some are weak. A strongman said that breath control was essential for his work. I am at a basic stage. When using some gym equipment I exhale while doing force, and inhale when relaxing the force.
mind under control. I have tried it several times. As soon as I return to normal breathing,
the mind is back as usual. Any thoughts?
Regards
On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 1:57:02 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:if any, and correcting others' errors like a gentleman. His knowledge of hinduism and physics is legendary. He authored a published work on Hindu puranas that speaks louder than words. I am very fortunate to have received his tutelage on SCI.
On Tuesday, 17 January 2023 at 06:31:05 UTC+5:30, gandikotam wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 7:37:48 PM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Saturday, 14 January 2023 at 23:22:54 UTC+5:30, gandikotam wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 10:38:58 PM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Friday, 13 January 2023 at 09:47:37 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:26:52 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Thursday, 12 January 2023 at 13:19:38 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:25:32 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Tuesday, 3 January 2023 at 09:29:51 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
It is a new year indeed. But SCI has been around for more than 30 years. I remember posting here in 1986. Arindam is a very special poster. He is erudite and a defender of righteousness. He never shirked from accepting his errors,
(and by induction, for the world) come true this year. Who knows what will happen! I reciprocate his good wishes and so hope his dreams too will come true. At any rate we have had a scintillating exchange, the proof of which is shown by the amount ofI feel overwhelmed by this unsolicited testimonial from the oldest and highly respected netizen of sci, who still retains hope in the worth of this medium, the last bastion of free speech in the world. I do hope his good wishes for me
resident in the right side of the chest.As usual I have a question for him. While reading Ramana Maharshi's book on "Who am I?" I noticed that the maharshi claimed that Self (note the capitalization) originates in the heart. Some other spiritual leaders said Self is
of ignorance is removed, we are one with the divine entities, the individual spirits, or amalgamated spirits. By "heart" I suppose the maharishi is telling us that we should be more governed by emotion as opposed to raw intellect. In other words, byThese are deep questions. I cannot answer them to everyone's satisfaction. As far as I am concerned, from the Vedic perspective we are all Gods and Goddesses in mortal form. Our ignorance prevents us from seeing that. When that veil
higher layers for the self, I am not sure about the precedence.Then the nadis or nerves that were counted to be more than 100 the prominent among them being "ida, pingala, sushumna". Are they for real?Sorry biological questions are beyond me. From the vedic perspective we are as a self composed of overlapping layers, and the physical body, much like the Physical and Data Layers in ISO-OSI telecom stack are the lowest. There are
true of kundalini which is supposed to be at the base of the spinal cord.A third reference of physical body is the "dahar akash". It is supposed to be a space inside the chest where a lotus hangs upside down. It is a microcosm of the infinite universe.Probably symbolic of something, beyond me.
A fourth reference to the physical body is, of course, chakras (mooladhara, swadishttana, anahita, visudha, agna, sahararaka, etc.) One can't see them otherwise the MRI would have caught if they are centers of energy. The same is
scriptures, the words of a sage may have limited scope in time and space - in other words, later generations may find them wrong, or obsolete.This is beyond me. Looks like these are Buddhist and Tantric concepts.
A fifth reference is to the senses and limbs which is non-controversial. Everyone accepts that senses are not reliable and can cause false knowledge.On the subjective basis, yes. On the objective basis, we have better luck with the honest scientific methods.
My question is: where from the hindu sages got these things? Are they in vedas? I searched the upanishads in vain. Any clarification will be gratefully acknowledged.Hindu is a loose term. Many things which are not Vedic/Upanishadic let alone Puranic have come under this label. A sage is a sage. He or she is accepted as such by public opinion, for surpassing wisdom or useful guidance. Unlike the
communication. Lowest are the singular body parts, then the systems (endocrine, etc.) at a higher level. Medicine is usually concerned with these two levels. However our healing systems go further, as per an article I read by a Brigadier who was an armyRegards
To my thinking, these add-ons have to do with our Indian-Hindu-Buddhist-tantric notion of our very selves. As I indicated earlier, our integrated self is composed of several overlapping selves, like the OSI layers for computerCheers,Welcome back, sir. Fair enough that you don't deal with biological references in the scripture.
Arindam Banerjee
After all, they are sages, not doctors. However, there is a huge industry of yoga practitioners
that peddles the chakras as real. They have tons of web pages advertising chakras and kundalini.
As mentioned even Ramana maharshi believes in chakras and pancha kosas. The Taittareeya
upanishad elaborates on pancha kosas. We have enough to deal with about atman. Why
these addons?
patient "Look your praanamaya kOsa is weak. Try to do exercise"? Then it won't be called evidence-based practice.Hopefully the waitress didn't charge you extra! Your observations about pancha kOsas [annamaya (physical), praanamaya (vital force), manOmaya (mind), vignaanamaya (wisdom), and aanandamaya(bliss)] make sense. So should a doctor tell his
even in the Western world.Upon questioned the doctor might say "This is what my teachers told me about human body".No, she did not charge extra. Just had a long chat. I believe that some people have special gifts. She could be one of them. My gurudev had special gifts. Basically it is a believe it or not case. No argument. The notion of the halo is there,
boots remedy, I keep colds away.Modern medicine is called a racket by many. It is certainly expensive. Preventon of disease is the best policy, so whatever helps in that is good. My guru for keeping healthy is the widsom of Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud. Thanks to him, and his
soul after death leaves from sahasraaraka (thousand petal lotus on the head), wraps itself with sookshma (subtle) sareera and goes along uttaraayana or dakshinaayana paths is wonderful but not observed in reality.Consider astronomy where people are peering through telescopes at all kinds of things. Heaven and hell are not to be seen. This makes me believe karma has to be worked out in the present life not in some reincarnation. So the theory that
and yoga without losing the essential flavor of hinduism? Since vEdas are pramaana, then should we carry out yagna and such rituals ignoring the meta-physics in upanishads? So do you want children? Don't go to a fertility doctor but performReality is that people thought not too long ago that the sun moved around the Earth, as that was only obvious.
So we who are wise see beyond what is seemingly obvious.
My questions to you: can't hinduism stand on its own without such theories? In other words, what remains in hinduism after we eliminate the meta-physical theories such as chakras, kundalini, kOsaas, praanayaama? Can we get rid of taantrika
because we do not care for the One True God). After that, it is every man for himself, to make of his understanding what he will, and absorb or reject as he pleases.Hinduism is not based upon theories or dogma. It is based upon popular opinion, which being huge could not be destroyed by the energetic hostiles.
It is vast and flexible in scope; in practice often narrow and limited; overall changing emphasis on some issues at certain times and places, but logically can be seen as not what is JCI, nor its associated atheism (meaning we are atheists
universe .What is JCI? Jesus Christ Industry?No, I mean Judaism, Christianity, Islam.
Arindam:Taittireeya upanishad cautions against wasting water, fire, etc. It is a good advice. Also it emphasizes on
truth, honesty, etc. No objection there. But it has slokas about pancha kosas that are fiction. Guess one has
to pick and choose what makes sense. However, aren't vedas a snap shot in time when the vedic culture just
started?
No, they are the main scripture for Hindus, following the Puranas, and explained by the Upanishads, and put in daily practice by prayers. Vedic culture did not start anytime. It was always there. Time eternal and space infinite, is the way of the
long time. Incidentally this is a quote from Prof.Eknath Easwaran's book on upanishads (pg 53):It was said that there were several vedas (more than the 4 well known ones) at one time and some of them were extinct because the brahmins who recited them could not sustain themselves. With the advent of printing the 4 vedas could last for a veryIs that snap shot valid after eons?Yes. Thanks to generations of brahmin scholars, we still have it in pure form. Hostiles could not mangle it, so it is as sweet as ever.
Arindam:
Printing by itself is a curse, for that breaks the traditional method and leaves the field open to interpolation by the hostiles. They will corrupt the printed word, and then try to show it all as meaningless.Without printing technology vedas would have been confined to a few pandits -- aka ghanApAti -- in a guru-sishya parampara, wouldn't they?
Also, lay people complain about brahmin hegemony as they always did vis-a-vis scripture.
We used to hear a lot in SCI about some dalits claiming manu smriti suggested pouring lead in the ears of dalits who dared to listen to the scripture.
As already mentioned, there were more than 4 vedas before the advent of printing press that perished. It is possible that some people know them but unwilling to preach/print them.
follow the recent innovations, but the vedas themselves were not modified. Isn't that duplicity?For which, they will get enough support from the pseuduhindus.
Still, so long as there has been no interpolation it is fine but we really need to hang on to the original printed works and beware of efforts to change by so called modernisation.
Then youtube is your friend, for there we have so far the correct way of prouncing the shlokas.
I will be coming out of mourning soon, so will recite the holy chandi and putit online. I surprised all, including myself, when it was done at the Duga puja in 2019.
"If all the upanishads and all the other scriptures happened all of a sudden to be reduced to ashes, and if onlyAh, would not the now baffled - by Modiji and those out to outHindu him - energetic hostiles dearly love to do that!
the first verse in the Ishopanishad were left in the memory of the Hindus, Hinduism would live for ever"
The verse quoted by Gandhiji in response to a journo's question about his secret of success was tEna tyaktEna bhunjitah ("Renounce and enjoy!").Good, let the energetic hostiles practice that and leave Hindus alone.
Ramana maharshi in his speeches/books talked about trains and cinemas that were extant back them (circa 1950). More recently religious people are talking about electricity and world-wide-web while describing Brahman. It is interesting that they
to other faiths. That way, it is free and cheap, so it is attractive.No. It is duplicity to hold that the holiest scriptures should be modified.
It is timeless, beyond the scope of time. It is the condensed wisdom from and about the Gods and Goddesses. It is up to the individual to internalise it as best possible, or simply venerate.
Also, some Indologists opine the vedic culture was importedThey had their day.
into Bharat by Aryans from the north.
That is suspicious as it is often claimed that Brahman givesThey probably mean the trillion year cycles of the birth and death of stars, and the rebirth.
vedas after every creation following destruction of the universe.
Many scientific notions are there in the Vedas, which are coming to light with my new physics.
The universe being infinite cannot have a beginning, nor an end.
But stars and solar systems go through phases, as I explained late last year.
I think the epics and smritis stand on their own merit. The technology has changed but the human quintessence isNo worries about energy, with the sun shining, the oceansfull, and the HTN. Htnresearch.com tells all. Enough energy for all, everywhere. And off to the stars we go, not dirty as now with stupid rockets.
the same. If the smritis owe their genesis to Aryan invasion, then they are suspicious. In other words
the natives of Bharat had to be educated about civilization. Now Indians/hindus are giving the Aryans--loosely
translated as westerners--their due back with yoga, chakras, etc. Can you think of life without technology that
progresses because of energy resources? Will humans ever revert to the trEtaa yuga or dwaapara yuga technology
that conserves various resources? If we run out of electricity, we may have to live in caves and forests like
the ancient sages did. Should we do it voluntarily so that the energy resources last longer?
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
Regards
There is the social dimension, which all know has to be honoured, for unity and fun, depth and inspiration, time-pass and serenity. Hinduism does make calls upon the purse, from time to time, but those can be more safely ignored as compared
Just what is recommended.The big words you mention make no sense to me, nor to any HIndu I know. We all live very well without knowing them, thank you.
Also breath control (praanayaama) is suggested by many swamijis to keepNothing unusual there. Some are strong, some are weak. A strongman said that breath control was essential for his work. I am at a basic stage. When using some gym equipment I exhale while doing force, and inhale when relaxing the force.
mind under control. I have tried it several times. As soon as I return to normal breathing,
the mind is back as usual. Any thoughts?
Regards
On Sunday, 22 January 2023 at 11:30:44 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:if any, and correcting others' errors like a gentleman. His knowledge of hinduism and physics is legendary. He authored a published work on Hindu puranas that speaks louder than words. I am very fortunate to have received his tutelage on SCI.
On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 1:57:02 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Tuesday, 17 January 2023 at 06:31:05 UTC+5:30, gandikotam wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 7:37:48 PM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Saturday, 14 January 2023 at 23:22:54 UTC+5:30, gandikotam wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 10:38:58 PM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Friday, 13 January 2023 at 09:47:37 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:26:52 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Thursday, 12 January 2023 at 13:19:38 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:25:32 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Tuesday, 3 January 2023 at 09:29:51 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
It is a new year indeed. But SCI has been around for more than 30 years. I remember posting here in 1986. Arindam is a very special poster. He is erudite and a defender of righteousness. He never shirked from accepting his errors,
me (and by induction, for the world) come true this year. Who knows what will happen! I reciprocate his good wishes and so hope his dreams too will come true. At any rate we have had a scintillating exchange, the proof of which is shown by the amount ofI feel overwhelmed by this unsolicited testimonial from the oldest and highly respected netizen of sci, who still retains hope in the worth of this medium, the last bastion of free speech in the world. I do hope his good wishes for
resident in the right side of the chest.As usual I have a question for him. While reading Ramana Maharshi's book on "Who am I?" I noticed that the maharshi claimed that Self (note the capitalization) originates in the heart. Some other spiritual leaders said Self is
of ignorance is removed, we are one with the divine entities, the individual spirits, or amalgamated spirits. By "heart" I suppose the maharishi is telling us that we should be more governed by emotion as opposed to raw intellect. In other words, byThese are deep questions. I cannot answer them to everyone's satisfaction. As far as I am concerned, from the Vedic perspective we are all Gods and Goddesses in mortal form. Our ignorance prevents us from seeing that. When that veil
higher layers for the self, I am not sure about the precedence.Then the nadis or nerves that were counted to be more than 100 the prominent among them being "ida, pingala, sushumna". Are they for real?Sorry biological questions are beyond me. From the vedic perspective we are as a self composed of overlapping layers, and the physical body, much like the Physical and Data Layers in ISO-OSI telecom stack are the lowest. There are
true of kundalini which is supposed to be at the base of the spinal cord.A third reference of physical body is the "dahar akash". It is supposed to be a space inside the chest where a lotus hangs upside down. It is a microcosm of the infinite universe.Probably symbolic of something, beyond me.
A fourth reference to the physical body is, of course, chakras (mooladhara, swadishttana, anahita, visudha, agna, sahararaka, etc.) One can't see them otherwise the MRI would have caught if they are centers of energy. The same is
scriptures, the words of a sage may have limited scope in time and space - in other words, later generations may find them wrong, or obsolete.This is beyond me. Looks like these are Buddhist and Tantric concepts.
A fifth reference is to the senses and limbs which is non-controversial. Everyone accepts that senses are not reliable and can cause false knowledge.On the subjective basis, yes. On the objective basis, we have better luck with the honest scientific methods.
My question is: where from the hindu sages got these things? Are they in vedas? I searched the upanishads in vain. Any clarification will be gratefully acknowledged.Hindu is a loose term. Many things which are not Vedic/Upanishadic let alone Puranic have come under this label. A sage is a sage. He or she is accepted as such by public opinion, for surpassing wisdom or useful guidance. Unlike the
communication. Lowest are the singular body parts, then the systems (endocrine, etc.) at a higher level. Medicine is usually concerned with these two levels. However our healing systems go further, as per an article I read by a Brigadier who was an armyRegards
To my thinking, these add-ons have to do with our Indian-Hindu-Buddhist-tantric notion of our very selves. As I indicated earlier, our integrated self is composed of several overlapping selves, like the OSI layers for computerCheers,Welcome back, sir. Fair enough that you don't deal with biological references in the scripture.
Arindam Banerjee
After all, they are sages, not doctors. However, there is a huge industry of yoga practitioners
that peddles the chakras as real. They have tons of web pages advertising chakras and kundalini.
As mentioned even Ramana maharshi believes in chakras and pancha kosas. The Taittareeya
upanishad elaborates on pancha kosas. We have enough to deal with about atman. Why
these addons?
patient "Look your praanamaya kOsa is weak. Try to do exercise"? Then it won't be called evidence-based practice.Hopefully the waitress didn't charge you extra! Your observations about pancha kOsas [annamaya (physical), praanamaya (vital force), manOmaya (mind), vignaanamaya (wisdom), and aanandamaya(bliss)] make sense. So should a doctor tell his
there, even in the Western world.Upon questioned the doctor might say "This is what my teachers told me about human body".No, she did not charge extra. Just had a long chat. I believe that some people have special gifts. She could be one of them. My gurudev had special gifts. Basically it is a believe it or not case. No argument. The notion of the halo is
boots remedy, I keep colds away.Modern medicine is called a racket by many. It is certainly expensive. Preventon of disease is the best policy, so whatever helps in that is good. My guru for keeping healthy is the widsom of Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud. Thanks to him, and his
soul after death leaves from sahasraaraka (thousand petal lotus on the head), wraps itself with sookshma (subtle) sareera and goes along uttaraayana or dakshinaayana paths is wonderful but not observed in reality.Consider astronomy where people are peering through telescopes at all kinds of things. Heaven and hell are not to be seen. This makes me believe karma has to be worked out in the present life not in some reincarnation. So the theory that
taantrika and yoga without losing the essential flavor of hinduism? Since vEdas are pramaana, then should we carry out yagna and such rituals ignoring the meta-physics in upanishads? So do you want children? Don't go to a fertility doctor but performReality is that people thought not too long ago that the sun moved around the Earth, as that was only obvious.
So we who are wise see beyond what is seemingly obvious.
My questions to you: can't hinduism stand on its own without such theories? In other words, what remains in hinduism after we eliminate the meta-physical theories such as chakras, kundalini, kOsaas, praanayaama? Can we get rid of
because we do not care for the One True God). After that, it is every man for himself, to make of his understanding what he will, and absorb or reject as he pleases.Hinduism is not based upon theories or dogma. It is based upon popular opinion, which being huge could not be destroyed by the energetic hostiles.
It is vast and flexible in scope; in practice often narrow and limited; overall changing emphasis on some issues at certain times and places, but logically can be seen as not what is JCI, nor its associated atheism (meaning we are atheists
the universe .What is JCI? Jesus Christ Industry?No, I mean Judaism, Christianity, Islam.
Arindam:Taittireeya upanishad cautions against wasting water, fire, etc. It is a good advice. Also it emphasizes on
truth, honesty, etc. No objection there. But it has slokas about pancha kosas that are fiction. Guess one has
to pick and choose what makes sense. However, aren't vedas a snap shot in time when the vedic culture just
started?
No, they are the main scripture for Hindus, following the Puranas, and explained by the Upanishads, and put in daily practice by prayers. Vedic culture did not start anytime. It was always there. Time eternal and space infinite, is the way of
very long time. Incidentally this is a quote from Prof.Eknath Easwaran's book on upanishads (pg 53):It was said that there were several vedas (more than the 4 well known ones) at one time and some of them were extinct because the brahmins who recited them could not sustain themselves. With the advent of printing the 4 vedas could last for aIs that snap shot valid after eons?Yes. Thanks to generations of brahmin scholars, we still have it in pure form. Hostiles could not mangle it, so it is as sweet as ever.
there for say 12 years then they became brahmins too, no matter what they were before. But this goes back to my great-great grandfather's time. That sort of education has long become extinct.Arindam:Yes, of course.
Printing by itself is a curse, for that breaks the traditional method and leaves the field open to interpolation by the hostiles. They will corrupt the printed word, and then try to show it all as meaningless.Without printing technology vedas would have been confined to a few pandits -- aka ghanApAti -- in a guru-sishya parampara, wouldn't they?
In the strict sense they still are. And will be.
Print gives the opportunity to find out what is written.
So it provides the opportunity for interpolation and confusion by the hostiles.
On the other hand, it provides someone like me to understand the meaning, after long reflection and efforts, backed by schooling.
A single guy like myself, thus, can bring the whole vedic structure back to life, simply because there has been no interpolation so far in the printing of the originals.
Also, lay people complain about brahmin hegemony as they always did vis-a-vis scripture.The system is open to all. Whoever wants to learn the scriptures is welcome. Because it was and is hard and unrewarding financially there were few takers. Those who wanted to were educated with board and lodging free at the guru's house. If they lived
We used to hear a lot in SCI about some dalits claiming manu smriti suggested pouring lead in the ears of dalits who dared to listen to the scripture.
The energetic hostiles will say anything. It so happens that dalits are taking to the scriptures quite avidly, and who can stop them or want to!
As already mentioned, there were more than 4 vedas before the advent of printing press that perished. It is possible that some people know them but unwilling to preach/print them.I don't think so, whatever was worth saving was saved. Energetic hostiles can make up new vedas, find them in Turkey say.
follow the recent innovations, but the vedas themselves were not modified. Isn't that duplicity?For which, they will get enough support from the pseuduhindus.
Still, so long as there has been no interpolation it is fine but we really need to hang on to the original printed works and beware of efforts to change by so called modernisation.
Then youtube is your friend, for there we have so far the correct way of prouncing the shlokas.
I will be coming out of mourning soon, so will recite the holy chandi and putit online. I surprised all, including myself, when it was done at the Duga puja in 2019.
"If all the upanishads and all the other scriptures happened all of a sudden to be reduced to ashes, and if onlyAh, would not the now baffled - by Modiji and those out to outHindu him - energetic hostiles dearly love to do that!
the first verse in the Ishopanishad were left in the memory of the Hindus, Hinduism would live for ever"
The verse quoted by Gandhiji in response to a journo's question about his secret of success was tEna tyaktEna bhunjitah ("Renounce and enjoy!").Good, let the energetic hostiles practice that and leave Hindus alone.
Ramana maharshi in his speeches/books talked about trains and cinemas that were extant back them (circa 1950). More recently religious people are talking about electricity and world-wide-web while describing Brahman. It is interesting that they
to other faiths. That way, it is free and cheap, so it is attractive.No. It is duplicity to hold that the holiest scriptures should be modified.
It is timeless, beyond the scope of time. It is the condensed wisdom from and about the Gods and Goddesses. It is up to the individual to internalise it as best possible, or simply venerate.
Also, some Indologists opine the vedic culture was importedThey had their day.
into Bharat by Aryans from the north.
That is suspicious as it is often claimed that Brahman givesThey probably mean the trillion year cycles of the birth and death of stars, and the rebirth.
vedas after every creation following destruction of the universe.
Many scientific notions are there in the Vedas, which are coming to light with my new physics.
The universe being infinite cannot have a beginning, nor an end.
But stars and solar systems go through phases, as I explained late last year.
I think the epics and smritis stand on their own merit. The technology has changed but the human quintessence isNo worries about energy, with the sun shining, the oceansfull, and the HTN. Htnresearch.com tells all. Enough energy for all, everywhere. And off to the stars we go, not dirty as now with stupid rockets.
the same. If the smritis owe their genesis to Aryan invasion, then they are suspicious. In other words
the natives of Bharat had to be educated about civilization. Now Indians/hindus are giving the Aryans--loosely
translated as westerners--their due back with yoga, chakras, etc. Can you think of life without technology that
progresses because of energy resources? Will humans ever revert to the trEtaa yuga or dwaapara yuga technology
that conserves various resources? If we run out of electricity, we may have to live in caves and forests like
the ancient sages did. Should we do it voluntarily so that the energy resources last longer?
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
Regards
There is the social dimension, which all know has to be honoured, for unity and fun, depth and inspiration, time-pass and serenity. Hinduism does make calls upon the purse, from time to time, but those can be more safely ignored as compared
Just what is recommended.The big words you mention make no sense to me, nor to any HIndu I know. We all live very well without knowing them, thank you.
Also breath control (praanayaama) is suggested by many swamijis to keepNothing unusual there. Some are strong, some are weak. A strongman said that breath control was essential for his work. I am at a basic stage. When using some gym equipment I exhale while doing force, and inhale when relaxing the force.
mind under control. I have tried it several times. As soon as I return to normal breathing,
the mind is back as usual. Any thoughts?
Regards
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 8:33:56 PM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:errors, if any, and correcting others' errors like a gentleman. His knowledge of hinduism and physics is legendary. He authored a published work on Hindu puranas that speaks louder than words. I am very fortunate to have received his tutelage on SCI.
On Sunday, 22 January 2023 at 11:30:44 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 1:57:02 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Tuesday, 17 January 2023 at 06:31:05 UTC+5:30, gandikotam wrote:
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On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:25:32 AM UTC-8, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
On Tuesday, 3 January 2023 at 09:29:51 UTC+11, gandikotam wrote:
It is a new year indeed. But SCI has been around for more than 30 years. I remember posting here in 1986. Arindam is a very special poster. He is erudite and a defender of righteousness. He never shirked from accepting his
for me (and by induction, for the world) come true this year. Who knows what will happen! I reciprocate his good wishes and so hope his dreams too will come true. At any rate we have had a scintillating exchange, the proof of which is shown by the amountI feel overwhelmed by this unsolicited testimonial from the oldest and highly respected netizen of sci, who still retains hope in the worth of this medium, the last bastion of free speech in the world. I do hope his good wishes
resident in the right side of the chest.As usual I have a question for him. While reading Ramana Maharshi's book on "Who am I?" I noticed that the maharshi claimed that Self (note the capitalization) originates in the heart. Some other spiritual leaders said Self is
veil of ignorance is removed, we are one with the divine entities, the individual spirits, or amalgamated spirits. By "heart" I suppose the maharishi is telling us that we should be more governed by emotion as opposed to raw intellect. In other words, byThese are deep questions. I cannot answer them to everyone's satisfaction. As far as I am concerned, from the Vedic perspective we are all Gods and Goddesses in mortal form. Our ignorance prevents us from seeing that. When that
higher layers for the self, I am not sure about the precedence.Then the nadis or nerves that were counted to be more than 100 the prominent among them being "ida, pingala, sushumna". Are they for real?Sorry biological questions are beyond me. From the vedic perspective we are as a self composed of overlapping layers, and the physical body, much like the Physical and Data Layers in ISO-OSI telecom stack are the lowest. There are
is true of kundalini which is supposed to be at the base of the spinal cord.A third reference of physical body is the "dahar akash". It is supposed to be a space inside the chest where a lotus hangs upside down. It is a microcosm of the infinite universe.Probably symbolic of something, beyond me.
A fourth reference to the physical body is, of course, chakras (mooladhara, swadishttana, anahita, visudha, agna, sahararaka, etc.) One can't see them otherwise the MRI would have caught if they are centers of energy. The same
the scriptures, the words of a sage may have limited scope in time and space - in other words, later generations may find them wrong, or obsolete.This is beyond me. Looks like these are Buddhist and Tantric concepts.
A fifth reference is to the senses and limbs which is non-controversial. Everyone accepts that senses are not reliable and can cause false knowledge.On the subjective basis, yes. On the objective basis, we have better luck with the honest scientific methods.
My question is: where from the hindu sages got these things? Are they in vedas? I searched the upanishads in vain. Any clarification will be gratefully acknowledged.Hindu is a loose term. Many things which are not Vedic/Upanishadic let alone Puranic have come under this label. A sage is a sage. He or she is accepted as such by public opinion, for surpassing wisdom or useful guidance. Unlike
communication. Lowest are the singular body parts, then the systems (endocrine, etc.) at a higher level. Medicine is usually concerned with these two levels. However our healing systems go further, as per an article I read by a Brigadier who was an armyRegards
To my thinking, these add-ons have to do with our Indian-Hindu-Buddhist-tantric notion of our very selves. As I indicated earlier, our integrated self is composed of several overlapping selves, like the OSI layers for computerCheers,Welcome back, sir. Fair enough that you don't deal with biological references in the scripture.
Arindam Banerjee
After all, they are sages, not doctors. However, there is a huge industry of yoga practitioners
that peddles the chakras as real. They have tons of web pages advertising chakras and kundalini.
As mentioned even Ramana maharshi believes in chakras and pancha kosas. The Taittareeya
upanishad elaborates on pancha kosas. We have enough to deal with about atman. Why
these addons?
patient "Look your praanamaya kOsa is weak. Try to do exercise"? Then it won't be called evidence-based practice.Hopefully the waitress didn't charge you extra! Your observations about pancha kOsas [annamaya (physical), praanamaya (vital force), manOmaya (mind), vignaanamaya (wisdom), and aanandamaya(bliss)] make sense. So should a doctor tell his
there, even in the Western world.Upon questioned the doctor might say "This is what my teachers told me about human body".No, she did not charge extra. Just had a long chat. I believe that some people have special gifts. She could be one of them. My gurudev had special gifts. Basically it is a believe it or not case. No argument. The notion of the halo is
boots remedy, I keep colds away.Modern medicine is called a racket by many. It is certainly expensive. Preventon of disease is the best policy, so whatever helps in that is good. My guru for keeping healthy is the widsom of Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud. Thanks to him, and his
that soul after death leaves from sahasraaraka (thousand petal lotus on the head), wraps itself with sookshma (subtle) sareera and goes along uttaraayana or dakshinaayana paths is wonderful but not observed in reality.Consider astronomy where people are peering through telescopes at all kinds of things. Heaven and hell are not to be seen. This makes me believe karma has to be worked out in the present life not in some reincarnation. So the theory
taantrika and yoga without losing the essential flavor of hinduism? Since vEdas are pramaana, then should we carry out yagna and such rituals ignoring the meta-physics in upanishads? So do you want children? Don't go to a fertility doctor but performReality is that people thought not too long ago that the sun moved around the Earth, as that was only obvious.
So we who are wise see beyond what is seemingly obvious.
My questions to you: can't hinduism stand on its own without such theories? In other words, what remains in hinduism after we eliminate the meta-physical theories such as chakras, kundalini, kOsaas, praanayaama? Can we get rid of
atheists because we do not care for the One True God). After that, it is every man for himself, to make of his understanding what he will, and absorb or reject as he pleases.Hinduism is not based upon theories or dogma. It is based upon popular opinion, which being huge could not be destroyed by the energetic hostiles.
It is vast and flexible in scope; in practice often narrow and limited; overall changing emphasis on some issues at certain times and places, but logically can be seen as not what is JCI, nor its associated atheism (meaning we are
the universe .What is JCI? Jesus Christ Industry?No, I mean Judaism, Christianity, Islam.
Arindam:Taittireeya upanishad cautions against wasting water, fire, etc. It is a good advice. Also it emphasizes on
truth, honesty, etc. No objection there. But it has slokas about pancha kosas that are fiction. Guess one has
to pick and choose what makes sense. However, aren't vedas a snap shot in time when the vedic culture just
started?
No, they are the main scripture for Hindus, following the Puranas, and explained by the Upanishads, and put in daily practice by prayers. Vedic culture did not start anytime. It was always there. Time eternal and space infinite, is the way of
very long time. Incidentally this is a quote from Prof.Eknath Easwaran's book on upanishads (pg 53):It was said that there were several vedas (more than the 4 well known ones) at one time and some of them were extinct because the brahmins who recited them could not sustain themselves. With the advent of printing the 4 vedas could last for aIs that snap shot valid after eons?Yes. Thanks to generations of brahmin scholars, we still have it in pure form. Hostiles could not mangle it, so it is as sweet as ever.
lived there for say 12 years then they became brahmins too, no matter what they were before. But this goes back to my great-great grandfather's time. That sort of education has long become extinct.Arindam:Yes, of course.
Printing by itself is a curse, for that breaks the traditional method and leaves the field open to interpolation by the hostiles. They will corrupt the printed word, and then try to show it all as meaningless.Without printing technology vedas would have been confined to a few pandits -- aka ghanApAti -- in a guru-sishya parampara, wouldn't they?
In the strict sense they still are. And will be.
Print gives the opportunity to find out what is written.
So it provides the opportunity for interpolation and confusion by the hostiles.
On the other hand, it provides someone like me to understand the meaning, after long reflection and efforts, backed by schooling.
A single guy like myself, thus, can bring the whole vedic structure back to life, simply because there has been no interpolation so far in the printing of the originals.
Also, lay people complain about brahmin hegemony as they always did vis-a-vis scripture.The system is open to all. Whoever wants to learn the scriptures is welcome. Because it was and is hard and unrewarding financially there were few takers. Those who wanted to were educated with board and lodging free at the guru's house. If they
Arindam:We used to hear a lot in SCI about some dalits claiming manu smriti suggested pouring lead in the ears of dalits who dared to listen to the scripture.
The energetic hostiles will say anything. It so happens that dalits are taking to the scriptures quite avidly, and who can stop them or want to!Well said. I couldn't find any caste or religious bias in the scripture. Even though Gita warns:
"paradharmO bhayaanaka" meaning one's own dharma when done sincerely is better than following another's dharma, even if one meets with death. I don't know what para dharma means. Can you please enlighten me?
follow the recent innovations, but the vedas themselves were not modified. Isn't that duplicity?I have the source of my claim as a retired professor of IIT-M who goes by the title Swami Paramaananda.As already mentioned, there were more than 4 vedas before the advent of printing press that perished. It is possible that some people know them but unwilling to preach/print them.I don't think so, whatever was worth saving was saved. Energetic hostiles can make up new vedas, find them in Turkey say.
Here are some links which are essentially transcriptions of his YouTube videos.
https://gandikotam.blogspot.com/2023/01/causality-in-science-and-vedaanta-by.html
https://gandikotam.blogspot.com/2021/06/discourse-on-adhyaasa-bhaashya-by.html
https://gandikotam.blogspot.com/2021/04/swaami-paramaananda-discourse-on.html
Regards
For which, they will get enough support from the pseuduhindus.
Still, so long as there has been no interpolation it is fine but we really need to hang on to the original printed works and beware of efforts to change by so called modernisation.
Then youtube is your friend, for there we have so far the correct way of prouncing the shlokas.
I will be coming out of mourning soon, so will recite the holy chandi and putit online. I surprised all, including myself, when it was done at the Duga puja in 2019.
"If all the upanishads and all the other scriptures happened all of a sudden to be reduced to ashes, and if onlyAh, would not the now baffled - by Modiji and those out to outHindu him - energetic hostiles dearly love to do that!
the first verse in the Ishopanishad were left in the memory of the Hindus, Hinduism would live for ever"
The verse quoted by Gandhiji in response to a journo's question about his secret of success was tEna tyaktEna bhunjitah ("Renounce and enjoy!").Good, let the energetic hostiles practice that and leave Hindus alone.
Ramana maharshi in his speeches/books talked about trains and cinemas that were extant back them (circa 1950). More recently religious people are talking about electricity and world-wide-web while describing Brahman. It is interesting that they
compared to other faiths. That way, it is free and cheap, so it is attractive.No. It is duplicity to hold that the holiest scriptures should be modified.
It is timeless, beyond the scope of time. It is the condensed wisdom from and about the Gods and Goddesses. It is up to the individual to internalise it as best possible, or simply venerate.
Also, some Indologists opine the vedic culture was importedThey had their day.
into Bharat by Aryans from the north.
That is suspicious as it is often claimed that Brahman gives vedas after every creation following destruction of the universe.They probably mean the trillion year cycles of the birth and death of stars, and the rebirth.
Many scientific notions are there in the Vedas, which are coming to light with my new physics.
The universe being infinite cannot have a beginning, nor an end. But stars and solar systems go through phases, as I explained late last year.
I think the epics and smritis stand on their own merit. The technology has changed but the human quintessence isNo worries about energy, with the sun shining, the oceansfull, and the HTN. Htnresearch.com tells all. Enough energy for all, everywhere. And off to the stars we go, not dirty as now with stupid rockets.
the same. If the smritis owe their genesis to Aryan invasion, then they are suspicious. In other words
the natives of Bharat had to be educated about civilization. Now Indians/hindus are giving the Aryans--loosely
translated as westerners--their due back with yoga, chakras, etc. Can you think of life without technology that
progresses because of energy resources? Will humans ever revert to the trEtaa yuga or dwaapara yuga technology
that conserves various resources? If we run out of electricity, we may have to live in caves and forests like
the ancient sages did. Should we do it voluntarily so that the energy resources last longer?
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
Regards
There is the social dimension, which all know has to be honoured, for unity and fun, depth and inspiration, time-pass and serenity. Hinduism does make calls upon the purse, from time to time, but those can be more safely ignored as
force. Just what is recommended.The big words you mention make no sense to me, nor to any HIndu I know. We all live very well without knowing them, thank you.
Also breath control (praanayaama) is suggested by many swamijis to keepNothing unusual there. Some are strong, some are weak. A strongman said that breath control was essential for his work. I am at a basic stage. When using some gym equipment I exhale while doing force, and inhale when relaxing the
mind under control. I have tried it several times. As soon as I return to normal breathing,
the mind is back as usual. Any thoughts?
Regards
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