• Trudeau has resigned; what next?

    From David Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 6 17:03:12 2025
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    XPost: can.general, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    Justin Trudeau has resigned from his position as
    leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, and has
    prorogued parliament until March 24, and will
    stay on as prime minister until a new leader
    is chosen.

    Who do you think should (or will) replace him
    as Liberal leader?

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “And now the angry morning; Gives the early signs of warning; You must
    face alone the plans you make; Decisions they will try to break" (S. McL.)

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  • From Tara@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Mon Jan 6 20:52:06 2025
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    XPost: can.politics, talk.politics.misc

    On Jan 6, 2025 at 3:33:12 PM EST, "David Dalton" <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    Justin Trudeau has resigned from his position as
    leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, and has
    prorogued parliament until March 24, and will
    stay on as prime minister until a new leader
    is chosen.

    Who do you think should (or will) replace him
    as Liberal leader?

    Hi David,
    I don't like any of the potential candidates. The are all part of the old guard. Carney is the only one who hasnt been in Trudeau's cabinet. But I don't think he is a leader - Trudeau without the charisma :). Actually, I think Dominic is the best bet. However, I think what they need is someone from outside who can take the libs back to the Classic Liberal Party. There isn't time for that though. Maybe in four years, eh.

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  • From Ned Ludd@21:1/5 to Tara on Mon Jan 6 13:56:05 2025
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    XPost: can.politics, talk.politics.misc

    On 1/6/2025 12:52 PM, Tara wrote:
    On Jan 6, 2025 at 3:33:12 PM EST, "David Dalton" <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    Justin Trudeau has resigned from his position as
    leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, and has
    prorogued parliament until March 24, and will
    stay on as prime minister until a new leader
    is chosen.

    Who do you think should (or will) replace him
    as Liberal leader?

    Hi David,
    I don't like any of the potential candidates. The are all part of the old guard. Carney is the only one who hasnt been in Trudeau's cabinet. But I don't
    think he is a leader - Trudeau without the charisma :). Actually, I think Dominic is the best bet. However, I think what they need is someone from outside who can take the libs back to the Classic Liberal Party. There isn't time for that though. Maybe in four years, eh.


    No, wait, Tara, there is a real possibility for you get a genuine
    change of direction here.

    Just relax, take a deep breath, and consider this:

    Elon Musk can become your next Prime Minister!

    And WOW, did Chatty screw up on this one!. Note that in the
    following, under point (1), Chatty claims that "there is no
    public record of him holding Canadian citizenship".

    HA! That's bogus. If you read the wiki article on Elon, it clearly
    states that Elon, "at the age of 18 he immigrated to Canada,
    acquiring its citizenship through his Canadian-born mother, Maye."

    SO, I asked Chatty point-blank (second block below) "Does Elon
    Musk hold Canadian citizenship?" To which Chatty instantly replied:
    "Yes, Elon Musk does hold Canadian citizenship. He acquired it
    through his mother, Maye Musk, who is Canadian.

    WHAT A SCREW UP!

    So, bottom line, if Elon just LIVES in Canada occasionally, he can
    be your next Prime Minister!

    Ned

    ---
    Q: Does the Canadian government rules prevent Elon Must from being Prime Minister?

    ChatGPT:
    Yes, there are specific rules that would likely prevent Elon Musk from
    becoming the Prime Minister of Canada, unless certain conditions are
    met. Here are the key points:

    1. Canadian Citizenship
    To be eligible to become Prime Minister, an individual must be a
    Canadian citizen.
    Elon Musk, born in South Africa, holds U.S. citizenship and previously
    held South African citizenship, but there is no public record of him
    holding Canadian citizenship. If he is not a Canadian citizen, he would
    not qualify.

    2. Membership in the House of Commons
    The Prime Minister of Canada is typically the leader of the political
    party with the most seats in the House of Commons. To be the Prime
    Minister, a person usually needs to be elected as a Member of Parliament
    (MP) in Canada.
    To become an MP, Elon Musk would need to run for election in a Canadian
    federal riding and win.

    3. Residency and Political Involvemen
  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to dalton@nfld.com on Tue Jan 7 01:12:45 2025
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    XPost: can.general, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    In article <0001HW.2D2C758800613E1170000B17938F@news.eternal-september.org>, David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:
    Justin Trudeau has resigned from his position as
    leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, and has
    prorogued parliament until March 24, and will
    stay on as prime minister until a new leader
    is chosen.

    Who do you think should (or will) replace him
    as Liberal leader?

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) >https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) >“And now the angry morning; Gives the early signs of warning; You must
    face alone the plans you make; Decisions they will try to break" (S. McL.)


    what for the LPC rules.
    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ;
    Birthdate - 29 January 1969 Redhill, Surrey, England, Uk

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to jackpine@airpost.net on Tue Jan 7 01:13:08 2025
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    XPost: can.politics, talk.politics.misc

    In article <vlhfpl$1q035$1@dont-email.me>, Tara <jackpine@airpost.net> wrote: >On Jan 6, 2025 at 3:33:12 PM EST, "David Dalton" <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    Justin Trudeau has resigned from his position as
    leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, and has
    prorogued parliament until March 24, and will
    stay on as prime minister until a new leader
    is chosen.

    Who do you think should (or will) replace him
    as Liberal leader?

    Hi David,
    I don't like any of the potential candidates. The are all part of the old >guard. Carney is the only one who hasnt been in Trudeau's cabinet. But I don't >think he is a leader - Trudeau without the charisma :). Actually, I think >Dominic is the best bet. However, I think what they need is someone from >outside who can take the libs back to the Classic Liberal Party. There isn't >time for that though. Maybe in four years, eh.

    There could me more.
    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ;
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  • From Tara@21:1/5 to Ned Ludd on Tue Jan 7 01:01:22 2025
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    XPost: can.politics, talk.politics.misc

    On Jan 6, 2025 at 4:56:05 PM EST, "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

    On 1/6/2025 12:52 PM, Tara wrote:
    On Jan 6, 2025 at 3:33:12 PM EST, "David Dalton" <dalton@nfld.com> wrote: >>
    Justin Trudeau has resigned from his position as
    leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, and has
    prorogued parliament until March 24, and will
    stay on as prime minister until a new leader
    is chosen.

    Who do you think should (or will) replace him
    as Liberal leader?

    Hi David,
    I don't like any of the potential candidates. The are all part of the old
    guard. Carney is the only one who hasnt been in Trudeau's cabinet. But I don't
    think he is a leader - Trudeau without the charisma :). Actually, I think
    Dominic is the best bet. However, I think what they need is someone from
    outside who can take the libs back to the Classic Liberal Party. There isn't >> time for that though. Maybe in four years, eh.


    No, wait, Tara, there is a real possibility for you get a genuine
    change of direction here.

    Just relax, take a deep breath, and consider this:

    Elon Musk can become your next Prime Minister!

    And WOW, did Chatty screw up on this one!. Note that in the
    following, under point (1), Chatty claims that "there is no
    public record of him holding Canadian citizenship".

    HA! That's bogus. If you read the wiki article on Elon, it clearly
    states that Elon, "at the age of 18 he immigrated to Canada,
    acquiring its citizenship through his Canadian-born mother, Maye."

    SO, I asked Chatty point-blank (second block below) "Does Elon
    Musk hold Canadian citizenship?" To which Chatty instantly replied:
    "Yes, Elon Musk does hold Canadian citizenship. He acquired it
    through his mother, Maye Musk, who is Canadian.

    WHAT A SCREW UP!

    So, bottom line, if Elon just LIVES in Canada occasionally, he can
    be your next Prime Minister!

    Ned

    ---
    Q: Does the Canadian government rules prevent Elon Must from being Prime Minister?

    ChatGPT:
    Yes, there are specific rules that would likely prevent Elon Musk from becoming the Prime Minister of Canada, unless certain conditions are
    met. Here are the key points:

    1. Canadian Citizenship
    To be eligible to become Prime Minister, an individual must be a
    Canadian citizen.
    Elon Musk, born in South Africa, holds U.S. citizenship and previously
    held South African citizenship, but there is no public record of him
    holding Canadian citizenship. If he is not a Canadian citizen, he would
    not qualify.

    2. Membership in the House of Commons
    The Prime Minister of Canada is typically the leader of the political
    party with the most seats in the House of Commons. To be the Prime
    Minister, a person usually needs to be elected as a Member of Parliament
    (MP) in Canada.
    To become an MP, Elon Musk would need to run for election in a Canadian federal riding and win.

    3. Residency and Political Involvement
    Canadian political leaders are generally expected to reside in Canada
    and actively participate in the country's political and public life.
    Musk’s primary residence and business activities are in the United
    States, which could be a significant obstacle.

    4. Constitutional and Practical Considerations
    While there are no explicit constitutional rules that prohibit a non-Canadian-born individual from becoming Prime Minister (as long as
    they are a citizen and meet other criteria), the practicalities of
    running for office, leading a political party, and gaining widespread
    public support could be significant barriers.

    Unless Elon Musk obtains Canadian citizenship, establishes residency in Canada, and becomes deeply involved in Canadian politics, it is highly unlikely he could become Prime Minister.

    ---

    Q: Does Elon Musk hold Canadian citizenship?

    ChatGPT:
    Yes, Elon Musk does hold Canadian citizenship. He acquired it through
    his mother, Maye Musk, who is Canadian. This citizenship allowed him to
    move to Canada in the late 1980s, where he briefly attended Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, before transferring to the University
    of Pennsylvania in the United States.

    Although Musk is a Canadian citizen, he primarily resides in the United States and conducts most of his business there. This would not
    disqualify him from pursuing Canadian political office, but he would
    still face significant practical and political barriers to becoming
    Prime Minister, such as establishing residency, participating in
    Canadian political life, and being elected as a Member of Parliament.

    ---
    Canada would be much too boring for Musk. Wondering what he studied at Queens and why he left (Queens is an excellent University).
    I wonder if Chatty would know what most Canadians think about Musk and
    whether we would vote for him or not. I doubt that he would have the patience to go through all the barriers and snail like speed that it takes to get anything done here anyway. Maybe he could try having a lottery. -$100,000 per vote
    Nah :)

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  • From Tara@21:1/5 to Tara on Tue Jan 7 01:19:35 2025
    XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.politics, can.general
    XPost: can.politics, talk.politics.misc

    On Jan 6, 2025 at 8:01:22 PM EST, "Tara" <jackpine@airpost.net> wrote:

    On Jan 6, 2025 at 4:56:05 PM EST, "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

    On 1/6/2025 12:52 PM, Tara wrote:
    On Jan 6, 2025 at 3:33:12 PM EST, "David Dalton" <dalton@nfld.com> wrote: >>>
    Justin Trudeau has resigned from his position as
    leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, and has
    prorogued parliament until March 24, and will
    stay on as prime minister until a new leader
    is chosen.

    Who do you think should (or will) replace him
    as Liberal leader?

    Hi David,
    I don't like any of the potential candidates. The are all part of the old >>> guard. Carney is the only one who hasnt been in Trudeau's cabinet. But I don't
    think he is a leader - Trudeau without the charisma :). Actually, I think >>> Dominic is the best bet. However, I think what they need is someone from >>> outside who can take the libs back to the Classic Liberal Party. There isn't
    time for that though. Maybe in four years, eh.


    No, wait, Tara, there is a real possibility for you get a genuine
    change of direction here.

    Just relax, take a deep breath, and consider this:

    Elon Musk can become your next Prime Minister!

    And WOW, did Chatty screw up on this one!. Note that in the
    following, under point (1), Chatty claims that "there is no
    public record of him holding Canadian citizenship".

    HA! That's bogus. If you read the wiki article on Elon, it clearly
    states that Elon, "at the age of 18 he immigrated to Canada,
    acquiring its citizenship through his Canadian-born mother, Maye."

    SO, I asked Chatty point-blank (second block below) "Does Elon
    Musk hold Canadian citizenship?" To which Chatty instantly replied:
    "Yes, Elon Musk does hold Canadian citizenship. He acquired it
    through his mother, Maye Musk, who is Canadian.

    WHAT A SCREW UP!

    So, bottom line, if Elon just LIVES in Canada occasionally, he can
    be your next Prime Minister!

    Ned

    ---
    Q: Does the Canadian government rules prevent Elon Must from being Prime
    Minister?

    ChatGPT:
    Yes, there are specific rules that would likely prevent Elon Musk from
    becoming the Prime Minister of Canada, unless certain conditions are
    met. Here are the key points:

    1. Canadian Citizenship
    To be eligible to become Prime Minister, an individual must be a
    Canadian citizen.
    Elon Musk, born in South Africa, holds U.S. citizenship and previously
    held South African citizenship, but there is no public record of him
    holding Canadian citizenship. If he is not a Canadian citizen, he would
    not qualify.

    2. Membership in the House of Commons
    The Prime Minister of Canada is typically the leader of the political
    party with the most seats in the House of Commons. To be the Prime
    Minister, a person usually needs to be elected as a Member of Parliament
    (MP) in Canada.
    To become an MP, Elon Musk would need to run for election in a Canadian
    federal riding and win.

    3. Residency and Political Involvement
    Canadian political leaders are generally expected to reside in Canada
    and actively participate in the country's political and public life.
    Musk’s primary residence and business activities are in the United
    States, which could be a significant obstacle.

    4. Constitutional and Practical Considerations
    While there are no explicit constitutional rules that prohibit a
    non-Canadian-born individual from becoming Prime Minister (as long as
    they are a citizen and meet other criteria), the practicalities of
    running for office, leading a political party, and gaining widespread
    public support could be significant barriers.

    Unless Elon Musk obtains Canadian citizenship, establishes residency in
    Canada, and becomes deeply involved in Canadian politics, it is highly
    unlikely he could become Prime Minister.

    ---

    Q: Does Elon Musk hold Canadian citizenship?

    ChatGPT:
    Yes, Elon Musk does hold Canadian citizenship. He acquired it through
    his mother, Maye Musk, who is Canadian. This citizenship allowed him to
    move to Canada in the late 1980s, where he briefly attended Queen’s
    University in Kingston, Ontario, before transferring to the University
    of Pennsylvania in the United States.

    Although Musk is a Canadian citizen, he primarily resides in the United
    States and conducts most of his business there. This would not
    disqualify him from pursuing Canadian political office, but he would
    still face significant practical and political barriers to becoming
    Prime Minister, such as establishing residency, participating in
    Canadian political life, and being elected as a Member of Parliament.

    ---
    Canada would be much too boring for Musk. Wondering what he studied at Queens and why he left (Queens is an excellent University).
    I wonder if Chatty would know what most Canadians think about Musk and whether we would vote for him or not. I doubt that he would have the patience to go through all the barriers and snail like speed that it takes to get anything done here anyway. Maybe he could try having a lottery. -$100,000 per vote
    Nah :)

    Oh..looks like were not impressed

    https://www.cdmrn.ca/publications/2024-12-10-november-situation-report

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  • From Ned Ludd@21:1/5 to Tara on Mon Jan 6 19:08:48 2025
    XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.politics, can.general
    XPost: can.politics, talk.politics.misc

    On 1/6/2025 5:19 PM, Tara wrote:
    On Jan 6, 2025 at 8:01:22 PM EST, "Tara" <jackpine@airpost.net> wrote:

    On Jan 6, 2025 at 4:56:05 PM EST, "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

    On 1/6/2025 12:52 PM, Tara wrote:
    On Jan 6, 2025 at 3:33:12 PM EST, "David Dalton" <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    Justin Trudeau has resigned from his position as
    leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, and has
    prorogued parliament until March 24, and will
    stay on as prime minister until a new leader
    is chosen.

    Who do you think should (or will) replace him
    as Liberal leader?

    Hi David,
    I don't like any of the potential candidates. The are all part of the old >>>> guard. Carney is the only one who hasnt been in Trudeau's cabinet. But I don't
    think he is a leader - Trudeau without the charisma :). Actually, I think >>>> Dominic is the best bet. However, I think what they need is someone from >>>> outside who can take the libs back to the Classic Liberal Party. There isn't
    time for that though. Maybe in four years, eh.


    No, wait, Tara, there is a real possibility for you get a genuine
    change of direction here.

    Just relax, take a deep breath, and consider this:

    Elon Musk can become your next Prime Minister!

    And WOW, did Chatty screw up on this one!. Note that in the
    following, under point (1), Chatty claims that "there is no
    public record of him holding Canadian citizenship".

    HA! That's bogus. If you read the wiki article on Elon, it clearly
    states that Elon, "at the age of 18 he immigrated to Canada,
    acquiring its citizenship through his Canadian-born mother, Maye."

    SO, I asked Chatty point-blank (second block below) "Does Elon
    Musk hold Canadian citizenship?" To which Chatty instantly replied:
    "Yes, Elon Musk does hold Canadian citizenship. He acquired it
    through his mother, Maye Musk, who is Canadian.

    WHAT A SCREW UP!

    So, bottom line, if Elon just LIVES in Canada occasionally, he can
    be your next Prime Minister!

    Ned

    ---
    Q: Does the Canadian government rules prevent Elon Must from being Prime >>> Minister?

    ChatGPT:
    Yes, there are specific rules that would likely prevent Elon Musk from
    becoming the Prime Minister of Canada, unless certain conditions are
    met. Here are the key points:

    1. Canadian Citizenship
    To be eligible to become Prime Minister, an individual must be a
    Canadian citizen.
    Elon Musk, born in South Africa, holds U.S. citizenship and previously
    held South African citizenship, but there is no public record of him
    holding Canadian citizenship. If he is not a Canadian citizen, he would
    not qualify.

    2. Membership in the House of Commons
    The Prime Minister of Canada is typically the leader of the political
    party with the most seats in the House of Commons. To be the Prime
    Minister, a person usually needs to be elected as a Member of Parliament >>> (MP) in Canada.
    To become an MP, Elon Musk would need to run for election in a Canadian
    federal riding and win.

    3. Residency and Political Involvement
    Canadian political leaders are generally expected to reside in Canada
    and actively participate in the country's political and public life.
    Musk’s primary residence and business activities are in the United
    States, which could be a significant obstacle.

    4. Constitutional and Practical Considerations
    While there are no explicit constitutional rules that prohibit a
    non-Canadian-born individual from becoming Prime Minister (as long as
    they are a citizen and meet other criteria), the practicalities of
    running for office, leading a political party, and gaining widespread
    public support could be significant barriers.

    Unless Elon Musk obtains Canadian citizenship, establishes residency in
    Canada, and becomes deeply involved in Canadian politics, it is highly
    unlikely he could become Prime Minister.

    ---

    Q: Does Elon Musk hold Canadian citizenship?

    ChatGPT:
    Yes, Elon Musk does hold Canadian citizenship. He acquired it through
    his mother, Maye Musk, who is Canadian. This citizenship allowed him to
    move to Canada in the late 1980s, where he briefly attended Queen’s
    University in Kingston, Ontario, before transferring to the University
    of Pennsylvania in the United States.

    Although Musk is a Canadian citizen, he primarily resides in the United
    States and conducts most of his business there. This would not
    disqualify him from pursuing Canadian political office, but he would
    still face significant practical and political barriers to becoming
    Prime Minister, such as establishing residency, participating in
    Canadian political life, and being elected as a Member of Parliament.

    ---
    Canada would be much too boring for Musk. Wondering what he studied at Queens
    and why he left (Queens is an excellent University).
    I wonder if Chatty would know what most Canadians think about Musk and
    whether we would vote for him or not. I doubt that he would have the patience
    to go through all the barriers and snail like speed that it takes to get
    anything done here anyway. Maybe he could try having a lottery. -$100,000 per
    vote
    Nah :)

    Oh..looks like were not impressed

    https://www.cdmrn.ca/publications/2024-12-10-november-situation-report


    I'm not sure what the second chart means, but the first one
    kind of sums up Elon. He's tied with Taylor Swift in terms of
    recognition, but when it comes to trusting him, Taylor swamps
    him by 29% to 19%.

    You're probably right about him being too bored with it. Which
    he will certainly be if/when he runs head-on into the Washington
    bureaucracy. It's been tried before, by many a president both
    Democrat and Repub, and NONE have ever succeeded in reining
    in the bureaucrats.

    Ned

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  • From vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.co@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 7 04:36:35 2025
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, can.politics
    XPost: can.general, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    Germany, UK..

    Recall when incoming CLinton managed a clean sweep of allied govts:
    UK, Germany, even Israel, Greece & Japan

    --
    Vasos Panagiotopoulos panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
    ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---

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  • From Dhu on Gate@21:1/5 to Tara on Fri Jan 10 17:30:20 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, can.politics

    On Mon, 6 Jan 2025 20:52:06 -0000 (UTC), Tara wrote:

    On Jan 6, 2025 at 3:33:12 PM EST, "David Dalton" <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    Justin Trudeau has resigned from his position as
    leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, and has
    prorogued parliament until March 24, and will
    stay on as prime minister until a new leader
    is chosen.

    Who do you think should (or will) replace him
    as Liberal leader?

    Hi David,
    I don't like any of the potential candidates. The are all part of the old guard. Carney is the only one who hasnt been in Trudeau's cabinet. But I don't
    think he is a leader - Trudeau without the charisma :). Actually, I think Dominic is the best bet. However, I think what they need is someone from outside who can take the libs back to the Classic Liberal Party. There isn't time for that though. Maybe in four years, eh.

    Carney would be a mistake.
    For a Finance minister fine, but for a PM?
    NOT: he sees only that Bottom Line.

    Dhu


    --
    Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglais.
    C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)
    Duncan Patton a Campbell

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