https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/10/finland-is-just-days-away-from-applying-for-nato-membership.html

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On Tue, 10 May 2022 16:15:07 -0700 (PDT), Dimitar Gueorguiev wrote:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/10/finland-is-just-days-away-from-applying-for-nato-membership.html

Унгария като нищо ще им сложи вето.

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On Wed, 11 May 2022 13:20:35 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 10:51:12 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Tue, 10 May 2022 16:15:07 -0700 (PDT), Dimitar Gueorguiev wrote:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/10/finland-is-just-days-away-from-applying-for-nato-membership.html

Унгария като нищо ще им сложи вето.

Дали? Защо?

Възможно е. Орбан мисля вижда ситуацията като мене и едва
ли ще е мераклия да я ескалира допълнително.

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On Thu, 12 May 2022 12:57:30 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 8:15:30 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Wed, 11 May 2022 13:20:35 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 10:51:12 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Tue, 10 May 2022 16:15:07 -0700 (PDT), Dimitar Gueorguiev wrote:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/10/finland-is-just-days-away-from-applying-for-nato-membership.html

Унгария като нищо ще им сложи вето.

Дали? Защо?

Възможно е. Орбан мисля вижда ситуацията като мене и едва
ли ще е мераклия да я ескалира допълнително.

Орбан заяви, че руската инвзия в Украйна е непълно неприемлива
и я осъди. Не мисля, че това е твоята позиция.

Мислиш с гъза си.
Аз казах че Бг трябваше да заяви позиция(осъдителна) в унисон
с ЕС и да остане настрана от санкции и даване на оръжие, както
направи Орбан.
А за причините да се стигне до тука ти и аз очевадно мислим различно.

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On Fri, 13 May 2022 05:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

После, как ще коментираш заявлението на българското правителство,
че ще блокира опита да се постави ембарго на руски петрол в ЕС?

Изявлението е за вътрешна употреба.
После "началниците" ще им заповчдат и нашите ще слушкат.

Как се вързва с твоите разбирания за тяхната политика?

100%

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On Fri, 13 May 2022 05:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Искаш да кажеш, че не си оправдавал войната тук? Наистина?

Да, наистина, какво се правиш на ударен? Казах че запада, предимно
US и UК, насъскаха Украйна да се противопоставя зa NATO мераците
си и от там се почна.

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On Fri, 13 May 2022 09:59:02 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:50:21 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 05:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

После, как ще коментираш заявлението на българското правителство,
че ще блокира опита да се постави ембарго на руски петрол в ЕС?

Изявлението е за вътрешна употреба.
После "началниците" ще им заповчдат и нашите ще слушкат.

Ако ЕС даде изключение за България при евентуално ембарго на руски петрол ще си
признаеш ли тук че си кръгъл идиот и нищо не разбираш по тези въпроси?

Ако..
Прочее специалист по идиотията си ти.

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On Fri, 13 May 2022 09:56:52 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:47:15 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 05:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Искаш да кажеш, че не си оправдавал войната тук? Наистина?

Да, наистина, какво се правиш на ударен? Казах че запада, предимно
US и UК, насъскаха Украйна да се противопоставя зa NATO мераците
си и от там се почна.

Каза че Русия е оправдана да нападне Украйна. Войната бе започната
от Русия, не от Украйна.

Казах, че има основание, щото не иска НАТО в Украйна.
Иначе ми е все тая, България има късмет да няма граница с Русия.

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On Fri, 13 May 2022 14:47:12 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 11:35:39 AM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 09:56:52 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:47:15 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 05:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Искаш да кажеш, че не си оправдавал войната тук? Наистина?

Да, наистина, какво се правиш на ударен? Казах че запада, предимно
US и UК, насъскаха Украйна да се противопоставя зa NATO мераците си
и от там се почна.

Каза че Русия е оправдана да нападне Украйна. Войната бе започната от
Русия, не от Украйна.

Казах, че има основание, щото не иска НАТО в Украйна.

Това как не е оправдание?

ами не е, умнико.

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Fri, 13 May 2022 14:47:12 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 11:35:39 AM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 09:56:52 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:47:15 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 05:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Искаш да кажеш, че не си оправдавал войната тук? Наистина?

Да, наистина, какво се правиш на ударен? Казах че запада, предимно
US и UК, насъскаха Украйна да се противопоставя зa NATO мераците
си и от там се почна.

Каза че Русия е оправдана да нападне Украйна. Войната бе започната
от Русия, не от Украйна.

Казах, че има основание, щото не иска НАТО в Украйна.

Това как не е оправдание?

Добре, значи е оправдание.
НАТО-то се разширяваше срещу протестите на Русия, Украйна беше предупреда
и не се съобрази, беше нападната. Това е положението. Всеки да си прави
изводите. Сега може би е удобен момент за Финландия да се присъедини, но
кой знае какво ще стане ако наистина си подаде кандидатурата, щото Путин
там вече може да постъпи наистина опасно, това трябва да много внимателно
да се прецени щото рискът ще е голям за всички.

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On Sun, 15 May 2022 09:22:56 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 9:51:25 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 14:47:12 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 11:35:39 AM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 09:56:52 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:47:15 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 05:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Искаш да кажеш, че не си оправдавал войната тук? Наистина?

Да, наистина, какво се правиш на ударен? Казах че запада,
предимно US и UК, насъскаха Украйна да се противопоставя зa NATO
мераците си и от там се почна.

Каза че Русия е оправдана да нападне Украйна. Войната бе започната
от Русия, не от Украйна.

Казах, че има основание, щото не иска НАТО в Украйна.

Това как не е оправдание?

Добре, значи е оправдание.
НАТО-то се разширяваше срещу протестите на Русия, Украйна беше
предупреда и не се съобрази, беше нападната. Това е положението. Всеки
да си прави изводите. Сега може би е удобен момент за Финландия да се
присъедини, но кой знае какво ще стане ако наистина си подаде
кандидатурата, щото Путин там вече може да постъпи наистина опасно,
това трябва да много внимателно да се прецени щото рискът ще е голям за
всички.

Наистина ли мислиш, че руската инвазия в Украйна допренесе с нещо за
сигурността (и просперитета) на Русия? Защото аз го виждам точно
обратното. След началото на германската инвазия на СССР, и до началото
на руската инвазия в Украйна, никой не беше правил толкова тежък удар
срещу Русия. С един замах Путин обедини Европа срещу Русия, срина
руската икономика и нейното бъдеще, и затри руската армия. Няма начин да
не осъзнаваш, че тактиката от заплахи, изнудване и подкупване на чуждите
елити (например в България, а в миналото и Украйна) беше много
по-ефектива за разширяване интересите на Русия. Не казвам, че само Русия
ще страда от тази война, но Русия със сигурност ще е най-тежко и
най-трайно засегната.

това в the guardian ли го пише или е твое собствено мнение? и с ясно
съзнание и бистра мисъл ли си го писал?

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«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Sun, 15 May 2022 14:05:01 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 9:37:42 AM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2022 09:22:56 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 9:51:25 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 14:47:12 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 11:35:39 AM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 09:56:52 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:47:15 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 05:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Искаш да кажеш, че не си оправдавал войната тук? Наистина?

Да, наистина, какво се правиш на ударен? Казах че запада,
предимно US и UК, насъскаха Украйна да се противопоставя зa
NATO мераците си и от там се почна.

Каза че Русия е оправдана да нападне Украйна. Войната бе
започната от Русия, не от Украйна.

Казах, че има основание, щото не иска НАТО в Украйна.

Това как не е оправдание?

Добре, значи е оправдание.
НАТО-то се разширяваше срещу протестите на Русия, Украйна беше
предупреда и не се съобрази, беше нападната. Това е положението.
Всеки да си прави изводите. Сега може би е удобен момент за
Финландия да се присъедини, но кой знае какво ще стане ако наистина
си подаде кандидатурата, щото Путин там вече може да постъпи
наистина опасно, това трябва да много внимателно да се прецени щото
рискът ще е голям за всички.

Наистина ли мислиш, че руската инвазия в Украйна допренесе с нещо за
сигурността (и просперитета) на Русия? Защото аз го виждам точно
обратното. След началото на германската инвазия на СССР, и до
началото на руската инвазия в Украйна, никой не беше правил толкова
тежък удар срещу Русия. С един замах Путин обедини Европа срещу
Русия, срина руската икономика и нейното бъдеще, и затри руската
армия. Няма начин да не осъзнаваш, че тактиката от заплахи, изнудване
и подкупване на чуждите елити (например в България, а в миналото и
Украйна) беше много по-ефектива за разширяване интересите на Русия.
Не казвам, че само Русия ще страда от тази война, но Русия със
сигурност ще е най-тежко и най-трайно засегната.

това в the guardian ли го пише или е твое собствено мнение? и с ясно
съзнание и бистра мисъл ли си го писал?

Тук май Ивайло ще се окаже прав. Напоследък се чудя дали Путин не е
агент на ЦРУ :).

за кое ще се окаже прав? за това ли - „След началото на германската
инвазия на СССР, и до началото на руската инвазия в Украйна, никой не беше
правил толкова тежък удар срещу Русия.“?

интересно защо пропуска разпадането на ссср в разсъжденията си?

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On Sun, 15 May 2022 09:22:56 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Наистина ли мислиш, че руската инвазия в Украйна допренесе с
нещо за сигурността (и просперитета) на Русия?

Не естествено, не им се получи.

. С един замах Путин обедини Европа срещу Русия,

Не, Европа винаги е била против Русия; Путин просто ги уплаши
и почнаха да действат в унисон.

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On Sun, 15 May 2022 14:50:10 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 2:26:21 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2022 14:05:01 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 9:37:42 AM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2022 09:22:56 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 9:51:25 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 14:47:12 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 11:35:39 AM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 09:56:52 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:47:15 PM UTC-4, chorbalan
wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 05:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov
wrote:

Искаш да кажеш, че не си оправдавал войната тук?
Наистина?

Да, наистина, какво се правиш на ударен? Казах че запада,
предимно US и UК, насъскаха Украйна да се противопоставя зa
NATO мераците си и от там се почна.

Каза че Русия е оправдана да нападне Украйна. Войната бе
започната от Русия, не от Украйна.

Казах, че има основание, щото не иска НАТО в Украйна.

Това как не е оправдание?

Добре, значи е оправдание.
НАТО-то се разширяваше срещу протестите на Русия, Украйна беше
предупреда и не се съобрази, беше нападната. Това е положението.
Всеки да си прави изводите. Сега може би е удобен момент за
Финландия да се присъедини, но кой знае какво ще стане ако
наистина си подаде кандидатурата, щото Путин там вече може да
постъпи наистина опасно, това трябва да много внимателно да се
прецени щото рискът ще е голям за всички.

Наистина ли мислиш, че руската инвазия в Украйна допренесе с нещо
за сигурността (и просперитета) на Русия? Защото аз го виждам
точно обратното. След началото на германската инвазия на СССР, и
до началото на руската инвазия в Украйна, никой не беше правил
толкова тежък удар срещу Русия. С един замах Путин обедини Европа
срещу Русия, срина руската икономика и нейното бъдеще, и затри
руската армия. Няма начин да не осъзнаваш, че тактиката от
заплахи, изнудване и подкупване на чуждите елити (например в
България, а в миналото и Украйна) беше много по-ефектива за
разширяване интересите на Русия. Не казвам, че само Русия ще
страда от тази война, но Русия със сигурност ще е най-тежко и
най-трайно засегната.

това в the guardian ли го пише или е твое собствено мнение? и с ясно
съзнание и бистра мисъл ли си го писал?

Тук май Ивайло ще се окаже прав. Напоследък се чудя дали Путин не е
агент на ЦРУ :).

за кое ще се окаже прав? за това ли - „След началото на германската
инвазия на СССР, и до началото на руската инвазия в Украйна, никой не
беше правил толкова тежък удар срещу Русия.“?

За това: "С един замах Путин обедини Европа срещу Русия, срина руската
икономика и нейното бъдеще, и затри руската армия."

е, това само времето ще покаже.

при одобрение над 75% на неговите действия още нищо не е ясно, според мен.

То има и още вреди, 'дет нанесе с една едничка специална операция, но и
тези стигат...

особено ако изпълни намерението си да продава само в рубли.

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On Sun, 15 May 2022 18:13:52 -0700 (PDT), Dimitar Gueorguiev wrote:

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 5:50:11 PM UTC-4, Tala Sym wrote:

За това: "С един замах Путин обедини Европа срещу Русия, срина руската
икономика и нейното бъдеще, и затри руската армия."

То има и още вреди, 'дет нанесе с една едничка специална операция, но и
тези стигат...

Не съм предполагам че Руснаците може да се окажат толкова глупави като
нация.. Жалка история, нищо добро не ги чака както и тях така и целия
регион който е обвързан с тяхното влияние..

аха, имайки предвид състоянието на държавите от латинска америка, като
нищо ще се окажеш прав.

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On Sun, 15 May 2022 22:36:18 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 9:25:51 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2022 14:50:10 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 2:26:21 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2022 14:05:01 -0700 (PDT), Tala Sym wrote:

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 9:37:42 AM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2022 09:22:56 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 9:51:25 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 14:47:12 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 11:35:39 AM UTC-7, chorbalan
wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 09:56:52 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov
wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:47:15 PM UTC-4, chorbalan
wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 05:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov
wrote:

Искаш да кажеш, че не си оправдавал войната тук?
Наистина?

Да, наистина, какво се правиш на ударен? Казах че
запада, предимно US и UК, насъскаха Украйна да се
противопоставя зa NATO мераците си и от там се почна.

Каза че Русия е оправдана да нападне Украйна. Войната бе
започната от Русия, не от Украйна.

Казах, че има основание, щото не иска НАТО в Украйна.

Това как не е оправдание?

Добре, значи е оправдание.
НАТО-то се разширяваше срещу протестите на Русия, Украйна беше
предупреда и не се съобрази, беше нападната. Това е
положението.

Всеки да си прави изводите. Сега може би е удобен момент за
Финландия да се присъедини, но кой знае какво ще стане ако
наистина си подаде кандидатурата, щото Путин там вече може да
постъпи наистина опасно, това трябва да много внимателно да се
прецени щото рискът ще е голям за всички.

Наистина ли мислиш, че руската инвазия в Украйна допренесе с
нещо за сигурността (и просперитета) на Русия? Защото аз го
виждам точно обратното. След началото на германската инвазия на
СССР, и до началото на руската инвазия в Украйна, никой не беше
правил толкова тежък удар срещу Русия. С един замах Путин
обедини Европа срещу Русия, срина руската икономика и нейното
бъдеще, и затри руската армия. Няма начин да не осъзнаваш, че
тактиката от заплахи, изнудване и подкупване на чуждите елити
(например в България, а в миналото и Украйна) беше много
по-ефектива за разширяване интересите на Русия. Не казвам, че
само Русия ще страда от тази война, но Русия със сигурност ще е
най-тежко и най-трайно засегната.

това в the guardian ли го пише или е твое собствено мнение? и с
ясно съзнание и бистра мисъл ли си го писал?

Тук май Ивайло ще се окаже прав. Напоследък се чудя дали Путин не
е агент на ЦРУ :).

за кое ще се окаже прав? за това ли - „След началото на германската
инвазия на СССР, и до началото на руската инвазия в Украйна, никой
не беше правил толкова тежък удар срещу Русия.“?

За това: "С един замах Путин обедини Европа срещу Русия, срина
руската икономика и нейното бъдеще, и затри руската армия."

е, това само времето ще покаже.

при одобрение над 75% на неговите действия още нищо не е ясно, според
мен.

То и Хитлер е имал бая одобрение, но това не значи, че е бил прав. Но
дори и да се абстрахираме от Хитлер. И 100% одобрение да има, руската
икономика е вкарана в кален коловоз за поне 10 гоф. Поне!. Да не
говорим, че НАТО беше пред разпадане (хеле па, ако Тръмп беше взел 2-ри
мандат), а сега е по-сплотен от всякога. Дори Путин да се гътне утре, ЕС
дълго ще продължи да се държи подозрително към Русия след таз "спец.
операция".

ама одобрението не е само в русия 8-)

То има и още вреди, 'дет нанесе с една едничка специална операция, но
и тези стигат...

особено ако изпълни намерението си да продава само в рубли.

Yup! Като нищо ЕС ще почне да купува яко LNG от US, 'дет се вика, дори и
на пук (не на пазарен, а на чисто политически принцип).

аха, точно така. и какво ще стане със себестойността на продукцията им?
или да не те питам такива сложни неща?

спомни си за изявлението на шефа на basf.

и какво значи яко? вземи потърси колко е потреблението на руски природен
газ в ес и виж колко може да изнасяте вие. и сподели какво си разбрал.

и накрая -- от русия купувате не само природен газ. да не минете на режим
на тока на западния бряг?

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On Mon, 16 May 2022 07:42:38 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 12:25:51 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

...

при одобрение над 75% на неговите действия още нищо не е ясно, според
мен.

При пълен контрол над СМИ 75% одобрение не означава много. Между другото
в края на 2001, началото на "войната срещу тероризма", рейтинга на Буш
син стигна до 90% (и 70% в края на март 2003, началото на войната в
Ирак). САЩ поне на хартия печелеше войните в Афганистан и Ирак, но с
времето рейтинга на Буш падна до 25%.

ми хубаво.

Та въпроса ми е какво общо има рейтигна с мъдростта или успеха на
определена политика? Какъв ще е рейтинга на Путин когато руснаците
осъзнаят какво се случва със страната им (и с войната в Украйна)?

ами седни на брега на реката и се въоръжи с търпение.

може и да разбереш какъв ще е рейтинга на путин, защото в момента си в
позицията на лисицата от онази басня.

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On Mon, 16 May 2022 08:24:12 -0700 (PDT), Dimitar Gueorguiev wrote:

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 10:46:50 AM UTC-4, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Европа е по-скоро абстракция - 50-тина страни с разнородни интереси и
политика.

Не, не е. Работил ли си в Европейска компания? За България и Балканите
Европа може да е абстракция, но аз нямах предвид тях.

сигурно имаш предвид западна европа, с което сам се опровергаваш.

може да се каже, че европа е била единна (с малки изключения) само в два
случая -- при хитлер и при наполеон.

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On Mon, 16 May 2022 07:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

...

. С един замах Путин обедини Европа срещу Русия,

Не, Европа винаги е била против Русия

Напълно невярно твърдение.

Дай опровергаващ пример. Не от типа съюзници във война.
Можеш да отидеш назад няколко 200-300 години.

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On Tue, 17 May 2022 07:14:29 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 4:56:40 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 16 May 2022 07:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

...

. С един замах Путин обедини Европа срещу Русия,

Не, Европа винаги е била против Русия

Напълно невярно твърдение.

Дай опровергаващ пример. Не от типа съюзници във война.
Можеш да отидеш назад няколко 200-300 години.

Искаш да ти изброя всички съюзи с други европейски страни, в които Русия е влизала в
историята си? Това сериозно ли?

Ми дай един пример. Забележи че казах "Не от типа съюзници във война."

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On Tue, 17 May 2022 20:29:19 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 9:19:58 AM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

On Tue, 17 May 2022 07:14:29 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 4:56:40 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 16 May 2022 07:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

...

. С един замах Путин обедини Европа срещу Русия,

Не, Европа винаги е била против Русия

Напълно невярно твърдение.

Дай опровергаващ пример. Не от типа съюзници във война.
Можеш да отидеш назад няколко 200-300 години.

Искаш да ти изброя всички съюзи с други европейски страни, в които
Русия е влизала в историята си? Това сериозно ли?

Ми дай един пример. Забележи че казах "Не от типа съюзници във война."

Какъв пример според теб би опровергал твоето твърдение? Според теб
твърдението "Европа винаги е била против Великобритания" вярно ли е и
ако не е какъв пример би дал като доказателство?

все пак той първи попита 8-)

а ти, както винаги, бягаш от отговор, когато не ти изнася.

не се сещам срешу великобритания да е имало толкова опити за нахлуване в
нея, колкото срещу русия последните три века.

както вече казах, европа е била обединена само два пъти -- при наполеон и
при хитлер. и двата пъти трябва да си наясно как са свършили.

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On Wed, 18 May 2022 07:16:50 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:33:30 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 17 May 2022 20:29:19 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 9:19:58 AM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

On Tue, 17 May 2022 07:14:29 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 4:56:40 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 16 May 2022 07:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

...

. С един замах Путин обедини Европа срещу Русия,

Не, Европа винаги е била против Русия

Напълно невярно твърдение.

Дай опровергаващ пример. Не от типа съюзници във война.
Можеш да отидеш назад няколко 200-300 години.

Искаш да ти изброя всички съюзи с други европейски страни, в които
Русия е влизала в историята си? Това сериозно ли?

Ми дай един пример. Забележи че казах "Не от типа съюзници във
война."

Какъв пример според теб би опровергал твоето твърдение? Според теб
твърдението "Европа винаги е била против Великобритания" вярно ли е и
ако не е какъв пример би дал като доказателство?

все пак той първи попита 8-)

а ти, както винаги, бягаш от отговор, когато не ти изнася.

Какъв отговор какви пет лева? Нали първо трябва да се разберем за
дефинициите и критериите? Ако според него военните съюзи не са част от
критериите кое е? Ти имаш ли отговор?

не се сещам срешу великобритания да е имало толкова опити за нахлуване
в нея, колкото срещу русия последните три века.

Аз се сещам само за две нахлувания в Русия за последните 3 века (срещу
поне 20 нахлувания на Русия в чужди страни), което е под средното за
повечето европейски страни. Това ли е критерия за "всички в Европа са
против теб"?

зарежи русия, ти даде великобритания за пример, сравнявай сега двете
страни. имало ли е във великобритания нахлуване от мащаба на наполеон или
хитлер?

иначе може да поговорим и за нахлуванията на сащ в чужди страни, които не
са двуцуфрено число.

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On Wed, 18 May 2022 08:28:55 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 11:01:00 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Wed, 18 May 2022 07:16:50 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:33:30 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 17 May 2022 20:29:19 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 9:19:58 AM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

On Tue, 17 May 2022 07:14:29 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 4:56:40 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 16 May 2022 07:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-4, chorbalan
wrote:

...

. С един замах Путин обедини Европа срещу Русия,

Не, Европа винаги е била против Русия

Напълно невярно твърдение.

Дай опровергаващ пример. Не от типа съюзници във война.
Можеш да отидеш назад няколко 200-300 години.

Искаш да ти изброя всички съюзи с други европейски страни, в
които Русия е влизала в историята си? Това сериозно ли?

Ми дай един пример. Забележи че казах "Не от типа съюзници във
война."

Какъв пример според теб би опровергал твоето твърдение? Според теб
твърдението "Европа винаги е била против Великобритания" вярно ли
е и ако не е какъв пример би дал като доказателство?

все пак той първи попита 8-)

а ти, както винаги, бягаш от отговор, когато не ти изнася.

Какъв отговор какви пет лева? Нали първо трябва да се разберем за
дефинициите и критериите? Ако според него военните съюзи не са част
от критериите кое е? Ти имаш ли отговор?

не се сещам срешу великобритания да е имало толкова опити за
нахлуване в нея, колкото срещу русия последните три века.

Аз се сещам само за две нахлувания в Русия за последните 3 века
(срещу поне 20 нахлувания на Русия в чужди страни), което е под
средното за повечето европейски страни. Това ли е критерия за "всички
в Европа са против теб"?

зарежи русия, ти даде великобритания за пример, сравнявай сега двете
страни. имало ли е във великобритания нахлуване от мащаба на наполеон
или хитлер?

Последната инвазия в Англия е преди повече от три века, но някак си не
мисля, че критерия на Борко за "всички са против тях" е че два пъти за
последните 300 години други страни са нахлули на твоя територия. Както
казах, по този критерий "цяла Европа" е против почти всяка европейска
страна. А причината да избра за въпроса си Великобритания трябва да е
ясна на всеки с елементарни познания по съвременна европейска история.

последната инвазия в англия не е била с мащабите на наполеон и хитлер,
всъщност може да я приемеш за роднинска крамола.

критерият на чорби е повече от ясен.

между другото, забравяш и за интервенцията по време на гражданската война
в русия.

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On Thu, 19 May 2022 06:49:43 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:14:15 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

On Wed, 18 May 2022 08:28:55 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

...

критерият на чорби е повече от ясен.

Като е "ясен" защо не ни го кажеш?

защото е възпитателно сам да го разбереш. дадено наготово не е добър
подход.

между другото, забравяш и за интервенцията по време на гражданската
война в русия.

Тя добра (роднинска крамола) ли е или лоша? Спoред сегашния обитател на
Кремъл, болшевиките са съсипали Русия.

не съм я споменал в морален аспект. просто я добавям към другите две
нахлувания в русия. и трите завършват печално за нахлулите.

Следва, че хората/държавите опитали се да спрат болшевиките са действали
за благото на Русия.

аха, аха …

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On Tue, 31 May 2022 13:36:24 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 2:27:26 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 09:59:02 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:50:21 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 05:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

После, как ще коментираш заявлението на българското правителство,
че ще блокира опита да се постави ембарго на руски петрол в ЕС?

Изявлението е за вътрешна употреба.
После "началниците" ще им заповчдат и нашите ще слушкат.

Ако ЕС даде изключение за България при евентуално ембарго на руски петрол ще си
признаеш ли тук че си кръгъл идиот и нищо не разбираш по тези въпроси?

Ако..

https://www.dnevnik.bg/bulgaria/2022/05/31/4352164_premierut_bulgariia_e_edinstvenata_s_pristanishte_v_es/

Не че ти някога падаш на гърба си. По това сте си лика прилика с Нерадост.

Всъщност това важи за тебе в доста по-голяма степен.
В момент ми изглежда че на практика няма или почти няма ембарго на руския нефт.

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On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 04:06:28 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2022 13:36:24 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 2:27:26 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 09:59:02 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:50:21 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2022 05:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

После, как ще коментираш заявлението на българското правителство,
че ще блокира опита да се постави ембарго на руски петрол в ЕС?

Изявлението е за вътрешна употреба.
После "началниците" ще им заповчдат и нашите ще слушкат.

Ако ЕС даде изключение за България при евентуално ембарго на руски
петрол ще си признаеш ли тук че си кръгъл идиот и нищо не разбираш
по тези въпроси?

Ако..

https://www.dnevnik.bg/bulgaria/ 2022/05/31/4352164_premierut_bulgariia_e_edinstvenata_s_pristanishte_v_es/

Не че ти някога падаш на гърба си. По това сте си лика прилика с
Нерадост.

Всъщност това важи за тебе в доста по-голяма степен.
В момент ми изглежда че на практика няма или почти няма ембарго на
руския нефт.

а най-вероятно няма и да има на практика.

пак ще купуват руски нефт, но от посредник (както става и при втечнения
природен газ). и честито на печелившите. обсебения дали знае какво е
себестойност?

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)