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    From Nick@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 26 18:40:14 2022
    хм, и този ме „цитира“ на моменти, макар че аз никога не съм казвал, че
    вървим по пътя към ядрена война.

    този сега какъв е? руска подлога, национален предател, антиамериканист или
    изкуфял старец като пол крейг робъртс?

    материалът без спор го приемам, че е руска пропаганда.

    нека обсебения да си спести забележките си за военния опит на казалия
    долните неща, а да се замисли върху казаното от него. също и забележките
    за сайта няма смисъл да се правят, така и така всичко за него е ясно 8-)

    U.S. Leading World to Nuclear War

    Well, let me begin, if I could, by telling our listeners that I’m very patriotic: I volunteered to join the Marines and I volunteered to go to Vietnam. I fought in the bloodiest Marine campaign of the entire war. And
    I was a helicopter pilot who flew 269 combat missions. My aircraft was hit
    by ground fire on four missions. I, then, fought on the ground with the
    First Marine Division, and during one of the 70 combat patrols that I
    made, my radioman were both killed, and I was wounded while we were
    attacking and trying to rescue a surrounded Marine outpost.

    So I’m very pro-American. I actually was a part of NATO and was prepared
    to die in Germany, to defend against an attack by the Soviet Union.

    But Russia is not the Soviet Union at all. People don’t understand that because the media have not made it clear. But Russia is not a communist
    state; the Soviet Union was a communist state.



    започва малко отдалеч -- от сирия, но имайки предвид споровете тук за
    алепи и онзи град, дума ли беше, мисля че няма да е излишно да се види
    какво казва този човек за сирия.

    What I do know, and I can tell you about Aleppo is that Russia was
    extremely reluctant to get involved in combat in Syria. The war began in
    2011, when the United States landed Central Intelligence operatives to
    begin coordinating with Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups. And we had
    been unwavering supporters of Al Qaeda, since before the war formally
    began. We are supporters of Al Qaeda today, where they’re bottled up in
    Idlib province. The CIA supplied them under secret Operation Timber
    Sycamore. We gave them all of their anti-tank weapons, all of their anti
    air- missiles. And Al Qaeda has always been our proxy force on the ground. They, together with ISIS, have carried out the mission of the United
    States, together with a great number of affiliates that really are kind of interchangeable. You have the Free Syrian Army soldiers move from ISIS to
    Al Qaeda to Free Syrian Army, rather fluidly. And so we started that war.

    сега става забавно за някои жертви на пропагандата:

    But the United States has a strategic policy of using proxies to engage in
    war. And our objective was to overthrow the legitimate government of
    Syria, and in order to do that, we employed proxy soldiers who were the
    most vile of all terrorists. Something very similar is happening right now
    in in Ukraine.



    But going back to Aleppo, the Syrian army, together with Hezbollah, which
    was very effective; there were some troops that were organized by Iran
    also, but it was pretty much a Syrian show, certainly directed by Syrian generals. And they had fought this bitter urban combat, very brutal, very deadly. And they had fought it for four years, before Russia ever joined
    the battle. So after four years, the city of Aleppo had enormous
    destruction. And at that point, the Russians, at the invitation of the legitimate government of Syria, entered the war. But unlike many of the
    media reports, they did not enter the war as a ground force. Now, they
    had some small ground forces. They had military police, they had a few artillery units, a few special operations people, and quite a number of advisers and that sort of thing. But they were not a significant ground
    force.



    But to blame the Russians for the massive destruction that took place
    within Aleppo, it’s bizarre: Because they were not there, they were not
    even present when this happened. So this is simply another part of the propaganda narrative, which is which hasbeen very effective for the West, demonizing Russia, and making claims that have no substance. But people
    don’t remember the history of these things—they’re rather complex. So, no:
    Russia was not in any respect responsible for the massive destruction of
    the city of Aleppo.



    Well, first of all, the American involvement, the United States war
    against Syria is a war of aggression. We put a highly secretive CIA
    special activities center—these are kind of the James Bond guys of the Central Intelligence Agency, total Machiavellian; they will do anything, there’s no it’s no holds barred with these guys. We sent them in and we started the war in Syria. The war didn’t exist until we sent the CIA to coordinate with Al Qaeda elements. So we began the war and we were not
    invited into Syria.

    In fact, the United States has seized, two significant parts of Syria. One
    is a very major part, the Euphrates River, carves off about a third of the northern part of Syria: The United States invaded that portion. We
    actually put troops on the ground, illegal—against any standard
    international law of war—it was it was a just a seizure. And this was this was something that was referred to by John Kerry, who was then the
    Secretary of State, and he was frustrated at the tremendous victory by the Syrian Armed Forces against Al Qaeda and ISIS. And he said, well, we
    probably need to move to Plan B. He didn’t announce what Plan B was, but
    it had it unfolded over time: Plan B was the American seizure of that
    northern portion of Syria. The importance of taking that part of Syria is,
    that it is the bread basket for all of the Syrian people. That is where
    the wheat—Syria actually had a significant wheat surplus and the people
    were very well fed in Syria, before the war. We wanted to take the wheat
    away, to cause famine among the Syrian people.

    The other thing we were able to do, is to seize the major part of the oil
    and natural gas fields. Those also were produced in that northern portion beyond the Euphrates River. And the idea was that, by stealing the oil and
    then the gas, we would be able to shut down the transportation system, and
    at the same time, during the Syrian winters, we could freeze to death the Syrian civilian population, which in many cases were living in rubble,
    where these terrorist armies, with mechanized divisions had attacked and
    just totally destroyed these cities, and left people just living in little pockets of rubble.

    We wanted to starve and we wanted to freeze to death the people of Syria,
    and that was Plan B.



    We weren’t at war with Syria! And yet we had a naval blockade around the country. We devalued their currency through the SWIFT system for
    international payments, making it impossible for them to purchase
    medications. So you had Syrian women who would contract breast cancer,
    just like we have here in this country. But instead, where in this country where breast cancer has become relatively treatable, we cut off the
    medical supplies so that the women in Syria would die of breast cancer
    because they could not get the medications, because we slam their dollars through the SWIFT system.

    One of the last things that we did and the evidence is vague on it, but
    there was a mysterious explosion in the harbor in Lebanon, and it was a
    massive explosion of a shipload of ammonium nitrate fertilizer. It killed hundreds of Lebanese people. It wounded thousands and thousands, destroyed
    the economy of Lebanon. And, most importantly, it destroyed the banking
    system of Lebanon, which was one of the few lifelines remaining to Syria.
    I don’t think that explosion was accidental. I think it was orchestrated,
    and I suspect that the Central Intelligence Agency was aware of the nation
    that carried out that action to destroy Beirut Harbor.

    But throughout you see this this Machiavellian approach, where we use
    unlimited force and violence. And at the same time, we control the global media, to where we erase all discussions of what’s truly happening. So, to the man or the woman in the street, they think things are fine. Everything
    is being done for altruistic reasons, but it’s not.

    има интересни неща за уахабитските обичаи, прилагани в сирия, но не от
    руснаци, а от идилци, както и за санкциите срещу сирия, но тях ще трябва
    да ги прочетете сами.

    а навремето стефан николов се сърдеше, когато му беше казано за думите на
    мадлийн олбрайт:

    You know, Russia is, perhaps more blessed with natural resources than any
    other nation on Earth. They are a major producer of grain, of oil, of
    aluminum, of fertilizers, of an immense number of things that tie into the whole global economy. And no doubt there are people who look at this and
    say, “if we could somehow break up Russia itself, there will be fortunes made, to where trillionaires will be made by the dozens.” And there’s some attraction to that. Certainly you’ve seen some of this taking place
    already, with foreign interests taking over Ukraine, and taking their vast resources.

    а това е особено забавно:

    But, we began a drive towards Russia, almost immediately after the Soviet
    Union dissolved in 1991. The Soviet Union dissolved, the Warsaw Pact
    dissolved. _And unfortunately, one of the great tragedies of history is
    that we failed to dissolve NATO._ The sole purpose of NATO was to defend against the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union no longer existed. NATO went
    toe toe with the Warsaw Pact. The Warsaw Pact was gone; it no longer
    existed. There was no purpose in NATO’s continuing to exist. However, we retained it, and it could not exist unless it had an enemy. Russia was desperate to become part of the West.

    явно и тук вината не е на сащ и западна европа.

    това също е интересно да се прочете:

    I met with the head of Gazprom, the largest corporation in Russia, And
    this was shortly after the demise of the Soviet Union, and he described
    for me how they were struggling to have their media be as free as it was
    in the West. And they perceived us as being much more free and open than
    we were. And he said, you know, we’ve got this problem because we have
    this uprising in Chechnya, which is part of Russia. And he said the
    Chechnyan rebels send videos to Russian television and we play them on
    Russian television, because that’s the way freedom of speech works.

    And I said, “Are you kidding me?” I said, “You’re publishing the enemy propaganda films?” He said, “Yeah.” He said, “Isn’t that the way you do it
    in the United States?” I said, “No. In the Second World War, we took the head of the Associated Press and we put him in charge of wartime
    censorship, and it was very strict.”

    признавам, като набеден русофил и путинофил, аз не знаех за това, научих
    го от този човек.

    In any event, the United States has this long-standing strategy, this political-military strategy, of expanding the empire. We did it in the
    Middle East, where we attempted to create a massive neocolonial empire.
    It’s it became rather frayed. The people did not want it. And it seems to
    be doomed to extinction sometime—but it may go on for another 100 years.
    But in any event, we are trying to do something similar, as we roll to the East, right up virtually to the Russian border.



    I think one thing that it will do is it will ensure that a tremendous
    number of innocent Ukrainian soldiers will die needlessly. A lot of
    Russian soldiers will die needlessly. These are kids. You know, kids go
    off to war. I went off to war as a kid. You think your country, right or
    wrong, everything they’re doing is fine. It just it breaks my heart, when
    I look at the faces of young Russian boys, who have been who have been
    gunned down—in some cases very criminally by Ukrainian forces. And
    likewise, I see Ukrainian young men, who are being slaughtered on the battlefield.

    обсебения дали има да каже нещо за тези военни престъпления на украинците.
    за руските знам, че може да говори много.

    We don’t care! The United States and NATO, we do not care how many
    Ukrainians die. Not civilians, not women, not children, not soldiers. We
    do not care. It’s become a great football game. You know, we’ve got our team. They’ve got their team, rah rah. We want to get the biggest score
    and run it up. And, you know, we don’t care how many how many of our
    players get crippled on the playing field, as long as we win.

    Now, we are shipping fantastic quantities of weapons, and it’s caused the stock of Raytheon, which creates missiles, and Northrop Grumman, which
    creates aircraft and missiles, all of these defense industries have become tremendously bloated with tax dollars. I don’t think it’s ultimately going to change the outcome. I think that Russia will prevail. The Ukrainians
    are in a very awkward strategic position in the East.

    а някой тук обясняваше, че украйна нямала толкова войска, колкото била
    разположена край донбас:

    But if you look at the way that this unfolded, President Putin made a
    desperate effort to stop the march towards war back in December of 2021.
    He went so far as to put specific written proposals on the table with
    NATO, peace proposals to defuse what was coming about. Because at this
    point, Ukraine was massing troops to attack the Donbas. And so, he was
    trying to head this off. He didn’t want war. And NATO just blew it off,
    just dismissed it; never took it seriously, never went into serious negotiations.

    а пък долното може да предизвика колики в някои хора, но мисля че няма
    нужда от коментар:

    At that point, Putin seeing that armed Ukrainians, with weapons to kill
    Russian troops were literally on their borders, decided he had to strike
    first. Now, you could see, that this was not this was not some preplanned attack. This was not like Hitler’s attack into Poland, where the standard rule of thumb, is that you always have a 3-to-1 advantage when you are the attacker. You have to mass three times as many tanks and artillery and
    planes and men, as the other side has. In fact, when Russia went in, they
    went in with what they had, what they could cobble together on short
    notice. And they were outnumbered by the Ukrainian forces. The Ukrainian
    forces had about 250,000. The Russians had perhaps 160,000. So instead of having three times as many, they actually had fewer troops than the
    Ukrainians. But they were forced to attack, to try to preempt the battle
    that was looming, where the Ukrainians had massed these forces against the Donbas.

    Now, the Donbas is adjacent to Russia. It is a portion of Ukraine that did
    not join with the revolutionary government that conducted the coup in 2014
    and overthrew the government of Ukraine. They refused to become a part of
    the new revolutionary government of Ukraine. And so they declared their independence. And Ukraine had massed this enormous army to attack against
    the Donbas. And so Russia was forced to go in to preempt that planned
    attack by Ukraine. And you could see that Russia very much hoped that they could conduct this special operation without unduly causing casualties for
    the Ukrainians, because they think of the Ukrainians, or at least they did think of the Ukrainians as brother Slavs; that they wanted to have good relations. But there is a famous picture with a Russian tank, that had
    been stopped by a gathering of maybe 40 civilians who just walked out in
    the road and blocked the road and the tank stopped. I can tell you, in
    Vietnam, if we had had a bunch of people who stood in the way of an
    American tank, going through, that tank would not have slowed down, in the slightest! It wouldn’t honk the horn, it wouldn’t have done anything; wouldn’t have fired a warning shot. It would have just gone on. And I
    think that’s more typical—I’m not I’m not criticizing the Americans. I was
    there and I was fighting, and I probably would have would have driven the
    tank straight through myself.

    But what I’m saying is that the rules of engagement for the Russians were very, very cautious. They didn’t want to create a great deal of hatred and animosity. The Russians did not go in—they did not bomb the electrical system, the media systems, the water systems, the bridges and so forth.
    They tried to retain the infrastructure of Ukraine in good shape because
    they wanted it to get back. They just wanted this to be over with and get
    back to normal. It didn’t work. The Ukrainians, the resistance was unexpectedly hard. The Ukrainian soldiers fought with great, great valor,
    great heroism. And. And so now the game has been upped and it’s become
    much more serious.

    But it is amazing to look and to see that Russia dominates the air. They haven’t knocked out the train systems. They haven’t knocked out power plants. They haven’t knocked out so many things. They’ve never bombed the buildings in the center of Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine; they haven’t
    bombed the buildings where the parliament meets. They’ve been incredibly reserved about these things, hoping against hope that peace could be
    achieved.

    But I don’t think I don’t think Ukraine has anything to do with the decision about peace or war. I think the decision about peace or war is
    made in Washington, D.C. As long as we want the war to continue, we will
    fight that war, using Ukrainians as proxies, and we will fight it to the
    last Ukrainian death.

    леле, някой в тази група питаше защо руснаците мълчат:

    We need to recognize the risk of playing these games of chicken. Where,
    for example, the Turkish media just published an article saying that at Mariupol, where there was a great siege, that the Russians ultimately won.
    The one area they haven’t taken over is this tremendous steel plant. There are a lot of Ukrainian soldiers who are holed up there. And now it has
    come to light that apparently there are 50 French senior officers, who are trapped in that steel plant along with the Ukrainians. The French soldiers
    have been on the ground fighting, directing the battle. And this was kept
    under wraps, ultra-secret, because of the French elections that just
    occurred. Had the French people known that there were a large number of
    French officers trapped and probably going to die in that steel plant, the elections would have gone the other way: Marine Le Pen would have won. And
    so it was very important that for the entire deep state, that it not come
    to light that these French officers were there.

    We know that there are NATO officers who are present on the ground in
    Ukraine as advisors and so forth. We run the risk. Now, my guess is—and
    this is this is a guess, I could be wrong—but the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the Moskva, was sunk as a result of being struck by anti-
    ship missiles. My guess is that those missiles, I think there’s a good
    chance they were fired by the French. Now, I could be wrong, but those
    missiles are so ultra-sensitive and so dangerous to our ships, that I
    don’t think that NATO would trust the missiles to Ukrainians, or to
    anybody else. I think I think they have to be maintained under NATO
    control and operation. So I think that it was probably NATO forces that actually sunk the Moskva.



    и още нещо интересно -- излиза, че калинките са глобално явление, а не
    локално :)

    You know, there’s been a tremendous deterioration in the quality of flag officers, going back to, well, certainly the 1990s. We had very, very fine
    flag officers, during the time I was on active duty—I left in ‘94—just superior quality people. But what happened is, subsequently, we had
    President Clinton take over, later, we had Obama. We’ve got Biden now. And they apply a very strict political screen to their military officers. And
    we now have “yes men.” These are not people whose principal devotion is to the United States and its people. Their principal devotion is to their
    careers and their ability to network with other military officers upon retirement. There’s a very strong network that can place military generals into think tanks, where they promote war, into organizations like Raytheon
    and Northrop Grumman, and all of these defense operations, where they can
    get on boards and things like that. So there’s quite a personal price that you pay for saying, “Hey, stop. War is not in the interests of the
    American people.” If we had a better quality of individual, we would have people with the courage who would say, “I don’t care what it costs me personally.” But it is very difficult to get into the senior ranks, if you are an individual guided by principle, and patriotism, and devotion to the people of this nation. That’s just not how it works. And at some point, we need a President who will go in and shake the tree, and bring a lot of
    these people falling down from it, because they’re dangerous. They’re very dangerous to America.

    останалата част от интервюто може да прочетете там:

    https://schillerinstitute.com/blog/2022/04/26/video-col-richard-black-u-s- leading-world-to-nuclear-war/

    за обсебените има и видео с интервюто -- да не се мъчат да четат с
    разбиране 8-)

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to Nick on Thu May 26 12:21:29 2022
    On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 2:40:16 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:
    хм, и този ме „цитира“ на моменти, макар че аз никога не съм казвал, че
    вървим по пътя към ядрена война.

    този сега какъв е? руска подлога, национален предател, антиамериканист или
    изкуфял старец като пол крейг робъртс?

    "The Schiller Institute is a German based political and economic think tank founded by Helga Zepp- LaRouche, with stated members in 50 countries. It is among the principal organizations of the
    _LaRouche movement_."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche

    Върос в понижена трудност: Как пък все на такива попадаш?


    материалът без спор го приемам, че е руска пропаганда.

    нека обсебения да си спести забележките си за военния опит на казалия
    долните неща, а да се замисли върху казаното от него. също и забележките
    за сайта няма смисъл да се правят, така и така всичко за него е ясно 8-)

    U.S. Leading World to Nuclear War

    Well, let me begin, if I could, by telling our listeners that I’m very patriotic: I volunteered to join the Marines and I volunteered to go to Vietnam. I fought in the bloodiest Marine campaign of the entire war. And
    I was a helicopter pilot who flew 269 combat missions. My aircraft was hit by ground fire on four missions. I, then, fought on the ground with the First Marine Division, and during one of the 70 combat patrols that I
    made, my radioman were both killed, and I was wounded while we were attacking and trying to rescue a surrounded Marine outpost.

    So I’m very pro-American. I actually was a part of NATO and was prepared to die in Germany, to defend against an attack by the Soviet Union.

    But Russia is not the Soviet Union at all. People don’t understand that because the media have not made it clear. But Russia is not a communist state; the Soviet Union was a communist state.



    започва малко отдалеч -- от сирия, но имайки предвид споровете тук за
    алепи и онзи град, дума ли беше, мисля че няма да е излишно да се види
    какво казва този човек за сирия.

    What I do know, and I can tell you about Aleppo is that Russia was
    extremely reluctant to get involved in combat in Syria. The war began in 2011, when the United States landed Central Intelligence operatives to
    begin coordinating with Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups. And we had
    been unwavering supporters of Al Qaeda, since before the war formally
    began. We are supporters of Al Qaeda today, where they’re bottled up in Idlib province. The CIA supplied them under secret Operation Timber Sycamore. We gave them all of their anti-tank weapons, all of their anti air- missiles. And Al Qaeda has always been our proxy force on the ground. They, together with ISIS, have carried out the mission of the United
    States, together with a great number of affiliates that really are kind of interchangeable. You have the Free Syrian Army soldiers move from ISIS to
    Al Qaeda to Free Syrian Army, rather fluidly. And so we started that war.

    сега става забавно за някои жертви на пропагандата:

    But the United States has a strategic policy of using proxies to engage in war. And our objective was to overthrow the legitimate government of
    Syria, and in order to do that, we employed proxy soldiers who were the
    most vile of all terrorists. Something very similar is happening right now in in Ukraine.



    But going back to Aleppo, the Syrian army, together with Hezbollah, which was very effective; there were some troops that were organized by Iran
    also, but it was pretty much a Syrian show, certainly directed by Syrian generals. And they had fought this bitter urban combat, very brutal, very deadly. And they had fought it for four years, before Russia ever joined
    the battle. So after four years, the city of Aleppo had enormous destruction. And at that point, the Russians, at the invitation of the legitimate government of Syria, entered the war. But unlike many of the media reports, they did not enter the war as a ground force. Now, they
    had some small ground forces. They had military police, they had a few artillery units, a few special operations people, and quite a number of advisers and that sort of thing. But they were not a significant ground force.



    But to blame the Russians for the massive destruction that took place
    within Aleppo, it’s bizarre: Because they were not there, they were not even present when this happened. So this is simply another part of the propaganda narrative, which is which hasbeen very effective for the West, demonizing Russia, and making claims that have no substance. But people don’t remember the history of these things—they’re rather complex. So, no:
    Russia was not in any respect responsible for the massive destruction of
    the city of Aleppo.



    Well, first of all, the American involvement, the United States war
    against Syria is a war of aggression. We put a highly secretive CIA
    special activities center—these are kind of the James Bond guys of the Central Intelligence Agency, total Machiavellian; they will do anything, there’s no it’s no holds barred with these guys. We sent them in and we started the war in Syria. The war didn’t exist until we sent the CIA to coordinate with Al Qaeda elements. So we began the war and we were not invited into Syria.

    In fact, the United States has seized, two significant parts of Syria. One is a very major part, the Euphrates River, carves off about a third of the northern part of Syria: The United States invaded that portion. We
    actually put troops on the ground, illegal—against any standard international law of war—it was it was a just a seizure. And this was this was something that was referred to by John Kerry, who was then the
    Secretary of State, and he was frustrated at the tremendous victory by the Syrian Armed Forces against Al Qaeda and ISIS. And he said, well, we probably need to move to Plan B. He didn’t announce what Plan B was, but it had it unfolded over time: Plan B was the American seizure of that northern portion of Syria. The importance of taking that part of Syria is, that it is the bread basket for all of the Syrian people. That is where
    the wheat—Syria actually had a significant wheat surplus and the people were very well fed in Syria, before the war. We wanted to take the wheat away, to cause famine among the Syrian people.

    The other thing we were able to do, is to seize the major part of the oil and natural gas fields. Those also were produced in that northern portion beyond the Euphrates River. And the idea was that, by stealing the oil and then the gas, we would be able to shut down the transportation system, and at the same time, during the Syrian winters, we could freeze to death the Syrian civilian population, which in many cases were living in rubble,
    where these terrorist armies, with mechanized divisions had attacked and just totally destroyed these cities, and left people just living in little pockets of rubble.

    We wanted to starve and we wanted to freeze to death the people of Syria, and that was Plan B.



    We weren’t at war with Syria! And yet we had a naval blockade around the country. We devalued their currency through the SWIFT system for international payments, making it impossible for them to purchase medications. So you had Syrian women who would contract breast cancer,
    just like we have here in this country. But instead, where in this country where breast cancer has become relatively treatable, we cut off the
    medical supplies so that the women in Syria would die of breast cancer because they could not get the medications, because we slam their dollars through the SWIFT system.

    One of the last things that we did and the evidence is vague on it, but there was a mysterious explosion in the harbor in Lebanon, and it was a massive explosion of a shipload of ammonium nitrate fertilizer. It killed hundreds of Lebanese people. It wounded thousands and thousands, destroyed the economy of Lebanon. And, most importantly, it destroyed the banking system of Lebanon, which was one of the few lifelines remaining to Syria.
    I don’t think that explosion was accidental. I think it was orchestrated, and I suspect that the Central Intelligence Agency was aware of the nation that carried out that action to destroy Beirut Harbor.

    But throughout you see this this Machiavellian approach, where we use unlimited force and violence. And at the same time, we control the global media, to where we erase all discussions of what’s truly happening. So, to the man or the woman in the street, they think things are fine. Everything is being done for altruistic reasons, but it’s not.

    има интересни неща за уахабитските обичаи, прилагани в сирия, но не от
    руснаци, а от идилци, както и за санкциите срещу сирия, но тях ще трябва
    да ги прочетете сами.

    а навремето стефан николов се сърдеше, когато му беше казано за думите на
    мадлийн олбрайт:

    You know, Russia is, perhaps more blessed with natural resources than any other nation on Earth. They are a major producer of grain, of oil, of aluminum, of fertilizers, of an immense number of things that tie into the whole global economy. And no doubt there are people who look at this and say, “if we could somehow break up Russia itself, there will be fortunes made, to where trillionaires will be made by the dozens.” And there’s some
    attraction to that. Certainly you’ve seen some of this taking place already, with foreign interests taking over Ukraine, and taking their vast resources.

    а това е особено забавно:

    But, we began a drive towards Russia, almost immediately after the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991. The Soviet Union dissolved, the Warsaw Pact dissolved. _And unfortunately, one of the great tragedies of history is
    that we failed to dissolve NATO._ The sole purpose of NATO was to defend against the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union no longer existed. NATO went
    toe toe with the Warsaw Pact. The Warsaw Pact was gone; it no longer existed. There was no purpose in NATO’s continuing to exist. However, we retained it, and it could not exist unless it had an enemy. Russia was desperate to become part of the West.

    явно и тук вината не е на сащ и западна европа.

    това също е интересно да се прочете:

    I met with the head of Gazprom, the largest corporation in Russia, And
    this was shortly after the demise of the Soviet Union, and he described
    for me how they were struggling to have their media be as free as it was
    in the West. And they perceived us as being much more free and open than
    we were. And he said, you know, we’ve got this problem because we have this uprising in Chechnya, which is part of Russia. And he said the Chechnyan rebels send videos to Russian television and we play them on Russian television, because that’s the way freedom of speech works.

    And I said, “Are you kidding me?” I said, “You’re publishing the enemy
    propaganda films?” He said, “Yeah.” He said, “Isn’t that the way you do it
    in the United States?” I said, “No. In the Second World War, we took the head of the Associated Press and we put him in charge of wartime
    censorship, and it was very strict.”

    признавам, като набеден русофил и путинофил, аз не знаех за това, научих
    го от този човек.

    In any event, the United States has this long-standing strategy, this political-military strategy, of expanding the empire. We did it in the Middle East, where we attempted to create a massive neocolonial empire. It’s it became rather frayed. The people did not want it. And it seems to be doomed to extinction sometime—but it may go on for another 100 years. But in any event, we are trying to do something similar, as we roll to the East, right up virtually to the Russian border.



    I think one thing that it will do is it will ensure that a tremendous
    number of innocent Ukrainian soldiers will die needlessly. A lot of
    Russian soldiers will die needlessly. These are kids. You know, kids go
    off to war. I went off to war as a kid. You think your country, right or wrong, everything they’re doing is fine. It just it breaks my heart, when I look at the faces of young Russian boys, who have been who have been gunned down—in some cases very criminally by Ukrainian forces. And likewise, I see Ukrainian young men, who are being slaughtered on the battlefield.

    обсебения дали има да каже нещо за тези военни престъпления на украинците.
    за руските знам, че може да говори много.

    We don’t care! The United States and NATO, we do not care how many Ukrainians die. Not civilians, not women, not children, not soldiers. We
    do not care. It’s become a great football game. You know, we’ve got our team. They’ve got their team, rah rah. We want to get the biggest score and run it up. And, you know, we don’t care how many how many of our players get crippled on the playing field, as long as we win.

    Now, we are shipping fantastic quantities of weapons, and it’s caused the stock of Raytheon, which creates missiles, and Northrop Grumman, which creates aircraft and missiles, all of these defense industries have become tremendously bloated with tax dollars. I don’t think it’s ultimately going
    to change the outcome. I think that Russia will prevail. The Ukrainians
    are in a very awkward strategic position in the East.

    а някой тук обясняваше, че украйна нямала толкова войска, колкото била
    разположена край донбас:

    But if you look at the way that this unfolded, President Putin made a desperate effort to stop the march towards war back in December of 2021.
    He went so far as to put specific written proposals on the table with
    NATO, peace proposals to defuse what was coming about. Because at this point, Ukraine was massing troops to attack the Donbas. And so, he was trying to head this off. He didn’t want war. And NATO just blew it off, just dismissed it; never took it seriously, never went into serious negotiations.

    а пък долното може да предизвика колики в някои хора, но мисля че няма
    нужда от коментар:

    At that point, Putin seeing that armed Ukrainians, with weapons to kill Russian troops were literally on their borders, decided he had to strike first. Now, you could see, that this was not this was not some preplanned attack. This was not like Hitler’s attack into Poland, where the standard rule of thumb, is that you always have a 3-to-1 advantage when you are the attacker. You have to mass three times as many tanks and artillery and planes and men, as the other side has. In fact, when Russia went in, they went in with what they had, what they could cobble together on short
    notice. And they were outnumbered by the Ukrainian forces. The Ukrainian forces had about 250,000. The Russians had perhaps 160,000. So instead of having three times as many, they actually had fewer troops than the Ukrainians. But they were forced to attack, to try to preempt the battle that was looming, where the Ukrainians had massed these forces against the Donbas.

    Now, the Donbas is adjacent to Russia. It is a portion of Ukraine that did not join with the revolutionary government that conducted the coup in 2014 and overthrew the government of Ukraine. They refused to become a part of the new revolutionary government of Ukraine. And so they declared their independence. And Ukraine had massed this enormous army to attack against the Donbas. And so Russia was forced to go in to preempt that planned
    attack by Ukraine. And you could see that Russia very much hoped that they could conduct this special operation without unduly causing casualties for the Ukrainians, because they think of the Ukrainians, or at least they did think of the Ukrainians as brother Slavs; that they wanted to have good relations. But there is a famous picture with a Russian tank, that had
    been stopped by a gathering of maybe 40 civilians who just walked out in
    the road and blocked the road and the tank stopped. I can tell you, in Vietnam, if we had had a bunch of people who stood in the way of an
    American tank, going through, that tank would not have slowed down, in the slightest! It wouldn’t honk the horn, it wouldn’t have done anything; wouldn’t have fired a warning shot. It would have just gone on. And I think that’s more typical—I’m not I’m not criticizing the Americans. I was
    there and I was fighting, and I probably would have would have driven the tank straight through myself.

    But what I’m saying is that the rules of engagement for the Russians were very, very cautious. They didn’t want to create a great deal of hatred and animosity. The Russians did not go in—they did not bomb the electrical system, the media systems, the water systems, the bridges and so forth.
    They tried to retain the infrastructure of Ukraine in good shape because they wanted it to get back. They just wanted this to be over with and get back to normal. It didn’t work. The Ukrainians, the resistance was unexpectedly hard. The Ukrainian soldiers fought with great, great valor, great heroism. And. And so now the game has been upped and it’s become much more serious.

    But it is amazing to look and to see that Russia dominates the air. They haven’t knocked out the train systems. They haven’t knocked out power plants. They haven’t knocked out so many things. They’ve never bombed the
    buildings in the center of Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine; they haven’t bombed the buildings where the parliament meets. They’ve been incredibly reserved about these things, hoping against hope that peace could be achieved.

    But I don’t think I don’t think Ukraine has anything to do with the decision about peace or war. I think the decision about peace or war is
    made in Washington, D.C. As long as we want the war to continue, we will fight that war, using Ukrainians as proxies, and we will fight it to the last Ukrainian death.

    леле, някой в тази група питаше защо руснаците мълчат:

    We need to recognize the risk of playing these games of chicken. Where,
    for example, the Turkish media just published an article saying that at Mariupol, where there was a great siege, that the Russians ultimately won. The one area they haven’t taken over is this tremendous steel plant. There are a lot of Ukrainian soldiers who are holed up there. And now it has
    come to light that apparently there are 50 French senior officers, who are trapped in that steel plant along with the Ukrainians. The French soldiers have been on the ground fighting, directing the battle. And this was kept under wraps, ultra-secret, because of the French elections that just occurred. Had the French people known that there were a large number of French officers trapped and probably going to die in that steel plant, the elections would have gone the other way: Marine Le Pen would have won. And so it was very important that for the entire deep state, that it not come
    to light that these French officers were there.

    We know that there are NATO officers who are present on the ground in Ukraine as advisors and so forth. We run the risk. Now, my guess is—and this is this is a guess, I could be wrong—but the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the Moskva, was sunk as a result of being struck by anti- ship missiles. My guess is that those missiles, I think there’s a good chance they were fired by the French. Now, I could be wrong, but those missiles are so ultra-sensitive and so dangerous to our ships, that I don’t think that NATO would trust the missiles to Ukrainians, or to anybody else. I think I think they have to be maintained under NATO
    control and operation. So I think that it was probably NATO forces that actually sunk the Moskva.



    и още нещо интересно -- излиза, че калинките са глобално явление, а не
    локално :)

    You know, there’s been a tremendous deterioration in the quality of flag officers, going back to, well, certainly the 1990s. We had very, very fine flag officers, during the time I was on active duty—I left in ‘94—just superior quality people. But what happened is, subsequently, we had President Clinton take over, later, we had Obama. We’ve got Biden now. And they apply a very strict political screen to their military officers. And
    we now have “yes men.” These are not people whose principal devotion is to
    the United States and its people. Their principal devotion is to their careers and their ability to network with other military officers upon retirement. There’s a very strong network that can place military generals into think tanks, where they promote war, into organizations like Raytheon and Northrop Grumman, and all of these defense operations, where they can get on boards and things like that. So there’s quite a personal price that you pay for saying, “Hey, stop. War is not in the interests of the American people.” If we had a better quality of individual, we would have people with the courage who would say, “I don’t care what it costs me personally.” But it is very difficult to get into the senior ranks, if you are an individual guided by principle, and patriotism, and devotion to the people of this nation. That’s just not how it works. And at some point, we need a President who will go in and shake the tree, and bring a lot of
    these people falling down from it, because they’re dangerous. They’re very
    dangerous to America.

    останалата част от интервюто може да прочетете там:

    https://schillerinstitute.com/blog/2022/04/26/video-col-richard-black-u-s- leading-world-to-nuclear-war/

    за обсебените има и видео с интервюто -- да не се мъчат да четат с
    разбиране 8-)

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu May 26 20:16:52 2022
    On Thu, 26 May 2022 12:21:29 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 2:40:16 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    хм, и този ме „цитира“ на моменти, макар че аз никога не съм казвал, че
    вървим по пътя към ядрена война.

    този сега какъв е? руска подлога, национален предател, антиамериканист
    или изкуфял старец като пол крейг робъртс?

    "The Schiller Institute is a German based political and economic think
    tank founded by Helga Zepp- LaRouche, with stated members in 50
    countries. It is among the principal organizations of the _LaRouche movement_."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche

    Върос в понижена трудност: Как пък все на такива попадаш?

    ами лесно -- гледам какво е казал човекът, а не кой и къде го е казал.

    аз нали (ти) казах да пропуснеш тези забележки, що не се постара?

    the guardian какво казва за този?

    можеш ли ти да отговориш на този въпрос с понижена трудност -- защо в
    медии като споменатия няма подобни публикации? не че в интервюто няма
    отговор, ама що да не те попитам теб? не че не е ясно какво ще отговориш,
    русофиле извратен.

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 26 20:43:12 2022
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Fri May 27 03:53:30 2022
    On Thu, 26 May 2022 20:43:12 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Защо хората, които
    цитираш, са все такива - свързани с бели расисти/фашисти, религиозни
    фундаменталисти, анти-американски конспиративни култисти и подобни?
    Какво ти говори това за симпатизантите на Путин/Русия на Запад??

    Вероятно че им "запушват устата".
    Прочее ти наричаш симпатизанти на Путин също и хората които винят
    НАТО и Запада за ролята им в предизвикването и раздухването на
    конфликта, що така?

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Fri May 27 04:46:40 2022
    On Thu, 26 May 2022 20:43:12 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 4:16:54 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    On Thu, 26 May 2022 12:21:29 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 2:40:16 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    хм, и този ме „цитира“ на моменти, макар че аз никога не съм казвал,
    че вървим по пътя към ядрена война.

    този сега какъв е? руска подлога, национален предател,
    антиамериканист или изкуфял старец като пол крейг робъртс?

    "The Schiller Institute is a German based political and economic
    think tank founded by Helga Zepp- LaRouche, with stated members in 50
    countries. It is among the principal organizations of the _LaRouche
    movement_."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche

    Върос в понижена трудност: Как пък все на такива попадаш?

    ами лесно -- гледам какво е казал човекът, а не кой и къде го е казал.

    Естествено, че си гледал какво е казал човека. Въпроса беше друг: Защо
    хората, които цитираш, са все такива - свързани с бели расисти/фашисти,
    религиозни фундаменталисти, анти-американски конспиративни култисти и
    подобни? Какво ти говори това за симпатизантите на Путин/Русия на
    Запад??

    както винаги, когато няма какво да кажеш по същество, се опитваш да
    изместиш темата.

    ако искаш да коментираш написаното, коментирай него, а не авторът, който
    между другото в началото на интервюто заявява (явно за такива като теб)
    какъв е.

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 27 04:06:24 2022
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Fri May 27 15:55:42 2022
    On Fri, 27 May 2022 04:06:24 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 8:53:32 PM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:
    On Thu, 26 May 2022 20:43:12 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Защо хората, които
    цитираш, са все такива - свързани с бели расисти/фашисти, религиозни
    фундаменталисти, анти-американски конспиративни култисти и подобни?
    Какво ти говори това за симпатизантите на Путин/Русия на Запад??
    Вероятно че им "запушват устата".
    Прочее ти наричаш симпатизанти на Путин също и хората които винят
    НАТО и Запада за ролята им в предизвикването и раздухването на
    конфликта, що така?

    Като цяло двете групи се препокриват на 95%. Останалите са обиковени анти-
    американисти (като Чомкси да речем). Не е ли така?

    Не ца 95%. Хората се крият понеже го е страх да не ги "канцелират".

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