• Neoliberalism =?UTF-8?B?4oCT?= the ideology at the root of all our prob

    From Nick@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 21 19:41:05 2022
    Neoliberalism – the ideology at the root of all our problems

    Financial meltdown, environmental disaster and even the rise of Donald
    Trump – neoliberalism has played its part in them all. Why has the left failed to come up with an alternative?

    George Monbiot Fri 15 Apr 2016 12.00 BST

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot

    Imagine if the people of the Soviet Union had never heard of communism.
    The ideology that dominates our lives has, for most of us, no name.
    Mention it in conversation and you’ll be rewarded with a shrug. Even if
    your listeners have heard the term before, they will struggle to define
    it. Neoliberalism: do you know what it is?

    Its anonymity is both a symptom and cause of its power. It has played a
    major role in a remarkable variety of crises: the financial meltdown of 2007‑8, the offshoring of wealth and power, of which the Panama Papers
    offer us merely a glimpse, the slow collapse of public health and
    education, resurgent child poverty, the epidemic of loneliness, the
    collapse of ecosystems, the rise of Donald Trump. But we respond to these crises as if they emerge in isolation, apparently unaware that they have
    all been either catalysed or exacerbated by the same coherent philosophy;
    a philosophy that has – or had – a name. What greater power can there be than to operate namelessly?



    Neoliberalism sees competition as the defining characteristic of human relations. It redefines citizens as consumers, whose democratic choices
    are best exercised by buying and selling, a process that rewards merit and punishes inefficiency. It maintains that “the market” delivers benefits that could never be achieved by planning.



    останалото -- в първоизточника, посочен по-горе.

    не ме интересува какъв е джордж монбио, нито с кого спи или пък не спи, нито какъв е бил или какъв е сега.

    в момента ме интересува само това, което е написал по-горе.

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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Nick on Sun Aug 21 21:50:47 2022
    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 19:41:05 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

    Neoliberalism sees competition as the defining characteristic of human relations. It redefines citizens as consumers, whose democratic choices
    are best exercised by buying and selling, a process that rewards merit and punishes inefficiency. It maintains that “the market” delivers benefits that could never be achieved by planning.

    Глупости! Това са някои характеристики на капитализъм.
    Неолиберализмът е измисляне на "ценности" и насаждането им със сила
    и преследвате с всякакви средства на всеки който не ги подкрепя.
    Така се появиха разни педерастки, климатични, расово-ентически и т.н.
    "проблеми" които да бъдат "решавани" и ще се появяват и за напред.
    На авторът Тръмп му е болката, а не споменава за Бабишкерника, за
    Демента и подобни други ггерои на новото време.

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to chorbalan on Mon Aug 22 04:22:16 2022
    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 21:50:47 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 19:41:05 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

    Neoliberalism sees competition as the defining characteristic of human
    relations. It redefines citizens as consumers, whose democratic choices
    are best exercised by buying and selling, a process that rewards merit
    and punishes inefficiency. It maintains that “the market” delivers
    benefits that could never be achieved by planning.

    Глупости! Това са някои характеристики на капитализъм. Неолиберализмът е

    ай ся, тези характеристики, които описва се появиха последните 30+ години.

    измисляне на "ценности" и насаждането им със сила и преследвате с
    всякакви средства на всеки който не ги подкрепя. Така се появиха разни
    педерастки, климатични, расово-ентически и т.н. "проблеми" които да
    бъдат "решавани" и ще се появяват и за напред.

    за това няма да споря :)

    На авторът Тръмп му е болката, а не споменава за Бабишкерника, за
    Демента и подобни други ггерои на новото време.

    да, и аз мисля, че тръмп му е болката на автора, което обяснява
    публикацията му в the guardian.

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Aug 24 04:34:24 2022
    On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 18:00:35 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 12:41:09 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

    Neoliberalism – the ideology at the root of all our problems

    Тодор Живков беше невеж глупак, но понякога имаше култови прозрения.
    Едно от най- значимите бе крилатото му изказване: "Може да решава тоя,
    който има пари, бе! Щом немаш пари, какво ще решиш ти, бе? Ти нямаш
    право да решаваш!"

    кой невеж глупак в групата се опитваше да ни ограмотява за фиатните пари?
    само това е достатъчно да си държи устата затворена.

    "Неолиберализма" е "canard" в устата на заблудени левичари от поне 20
    години. Ако тази идеология някога е била актуална, нейното време отдава
    е минало. За да знаем на чие хоро играем трябва да видим кой контролира
    парите ДНЕС, през 2022. Аз виждам двама-трима основни кандидати. Единият
    е диктатора на Китай, втората по големина икономика в света, контролиращ
    авоари за поне $20 трилиона. Другият е Лари Финк, шеф на Блекрок (и по
    съвместителство банкер на Демократическата партия в САЩ). Блекрок, и
    съответно Финк, контролира авоари на стойност $10 трилиона (или поне
    толкова бяха в началото на годината). Джейми Даймон (JP Morgan),
    контролиращ $4 трилиона, е на далечно трето място. От тези тримата НИТО
    ЕДИН не изповядва "неолиберализъм". Единият е национал-социалист (т.е.
    фашист) и меркантилист, другите двама са изповедници на "stakeholder
    capitalism" и "ESG". Точно последните две идеологии в момента доминират
    в САЩ и запада като цяло (а първата от десетилетия доминира в повечето
    страни от третия свят, някои от тях мимикриращи "неолиберализъм" или
    по-точно "вашингтонския консенсус").

    национал-социализма не спря ли да е актуален преди 80 години, за да го
    използваш като етикет?

    и вземи си спомни какво беше писал глупакът в групата за фиатните пари, че
    това трилионите ги нямаш за нищо.

    нещата явно не са толкова прости, колкото си мислиш.

    Иронията в цялата история е, че зелени глупаци (пишман интелектуалци)
    като Джордж Монбиоу са удобните идиоти, които осигуряват идеологическата
    подплата на другаря Си, и господата Финк и Даймон, за да могат те да си
    разиграват коня (за наша сметка).

    Спрях да чета Джордж Монбиоу преди около 10 години. Никога не съм бил
    съгласен с него, но понякога ми е интересно какво мисли "врага". С
    времето стана достадно пресказуем със зелената си мономания, която от
    време на време, както по-долу, избива на червeно.

    Все пак нали всички те са "дини"?

    добре би било да спрем да те четем и теб, щом като все още скачаш на
    червено.

    Financial meltdown, environmental disaster and even the rise of Donald
    Trump – neoliberalism has played its part in them all. Why has the left
    failed to come up with an alternative?

    George Monbiot Fri 15 Apr 2016 12.00 BST

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology- problem-george-monbiot

    Imagine if the people of the Soviet Union had never heard of communism.
    The ideology that dominates our lives has, for most of us, no name.
    Mention it in conversation and you’ll be rewarded with a shrug. Even if
    your listeners have heard the term before, they will struggle to define
    it. Neoliberalism: do you know what it is?

    Its anonymity is both a symptom and cause of its power. It has played a
    major role in a remarkable variety of crises: the financial meltdown of
    2007‑8, the offshoring of wealth and power, of which the Panama Papers
    offer us merely a glimpse, the slow collapse of public health and
    education, resurgent child poverty, the epidemic of loneliness, the
    collapse of ecosystems, the rise of Donald Trump. But we respond to
    these crises as if they emerge in isolation, apparently unaware that
    they have all been either catalysed or exacerbated by the same coherent
    philosophy; a philosophy that has – or had – a name. What greater power >> can there be than to operate namelessly?



    Neoliberalism sees competition as the defining characteristic of human
    relations. It redefines citizens as consumers, whose democratic choices
    are best exercised by buying and selling, a process that rewards merit
    and punishes inefficiency. It maintains that “the market” delivers
    benefits that could never be achieved by planning.



    останалото -- в първоизточника, посочен по-горе.

    не ме интересува какъв е джордж монбио, нито с кого спи или пък не спи,
    нито какъв е бил или какъв е сега.

    в момента ме интересува само това, което е написал по-горе.

    и както винаги не четеш какво съм написал -- бях казал, че не ме
    интересува какъв е джордж монбио, но ти тъпо и упорито ни занимаваш с
    неговата личност.

    коментар върху това, което е написал (или поне това, което съм цитирал от
    написаното от него) никакъв.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Aug 24 06:04:04 2022
    On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 18:10:06 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    . Бъркаш неолиберализмът с
    либерастията. Има хора, които изповядват и двете идеологии, но едната (доколкото
    изобщо съществува) е икономичаска, докато другата е стриктно социална. Т.е. не се
    препокриват. После явно бъркаш "ESG" с "неолиберализма".

    Ми да поясниш тогава какво е "неолиберализъм" и "ESG" ?

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