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  • Liberals urge Biden to rethink Ukraine strategy =?UTF-8?B?4oCm?=

    From Nick@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 25 09:58:09 2022
    Liberals urge Biden to rethink Ukraine strategy

    A group of 30 House liberals is urging President Biden to dramatically
    shift his strategy on the Ukraine war and pursue direct negotiations with Russia, the first time prominent members of his own party have pushed him
    to change his approach to Ukraine.

    A letter sent by the group to the White House on Monday, first reported by
    The Washington Post, could create more pressure on Biden as he tries to
    sustain domestic support for the war effort, at a time when the region is heading into a potentially difficult winter and Republicans are
    threatening to cut aid to Ukraine if they retake Congress.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/24/biden-ukraine-liberals/

    верно, либерали са, но какво ли има да става? не в украйна, а по света?

    или и това е руска пропаганда? купили 30 продажника и стоят отстрани и
    гледат сеир?

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 25 08:45:59 2022
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue Oct 25 16:39:52 2022
    On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 08:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 5:58:11 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    Liberals urge Biden to rethink Ukraine strategy

    A group of 30 House liberals is urging President Biden to dramatically
    shift his strategy on the Ukraine war and pursue direct negotiations
    with Russia, the first time prominent members of his own party have
    pushed him to change his approach to Ukraine.

    A letter sent by the group to the White House on Monday, first reported
    by The Washington Post, could create more pressure on Biden as he tries
    to sustain domestic support for the war effort, at a time when the
    region is heading into a potentially difficult winter and Republicans
    are threatening to cut aid to Ukraine if they retake Congress.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/24/biden-ukraine-
    liberals/

    верно, либерали са, но какво ли има да става? не в украйна, а по света?

    или и това е руска пропаганда? купили 30 продажника и стоят отстрани и
    гледат сеир?

    Не е нужно нищо да купуват. "Прогресивните" демократи винаги са били
    петата колона на Москва в САЩ. Тези тенденция беше прекъсната единствено
    между 2016 и 2020. Сега просто се връщат в очакваните параментри. Новото
    в последните години е по-скоро факта, че крайнолевите и крайнодесните се
    обединиха (по сходни прични) в увлечението си по Москва.
    Същия феномен се наблюдава до голяма степен и в Европа. Очаквам в
    следващия Конгрес крайнолевите и крайнодесните да се обединят в опозиция
    на допълнително финансиране и въоръжаване на Украйна, но едва ли ще имат
    достатъчно гласове да променят сегашното състояние.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pelosi-reaffirms-us-support-for-
    ukraine-until-victory-is-won-after-progressive-lawmakers-push-for-talks- with-russia/ar-AA13m90C

    крайно леви, крайно десни, не е ли време да си прегледаш дефинициите?!

    после да не питаш „а нас за какво?“?

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 25 11:25:28 2022
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue Oct 25 19:15:06 2022
    On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 11:25:28 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 12:39:56 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 08:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 5:58:11 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    Liberals urge Biden to rethink Ukraine strategy

    A group of 30 House liberals is urging President Biden to
    dramatically shift his strategy on the Ukraine war and pursue direct
    negotiations with Russia, the first time prominent members of his
    own party have pushed him to change his approach to Ukraine.

    A letter sent by the group to the White House on Monday, first
    reported by The Washington Post, could create more pressure on Biden
    as he tries to sustain domestic support for the war effort, at a
    time when the region is heading into a potentially difficult winter
    and Republicans are threatening to cut aid to Ukraine if they retake
    Congress.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/24/biden-ukraine-
    liberals/

    верно, либерали са, но какво ли има да става? не в украйна, а по
    света?

    или и това е руска пропаганда? купили 30 продажника и стоят отстрани
    и гледат сеир?

    Не е нужно нищо да купуват. "Прогресивните" демократи винаги са били
    петата колона на Москва в САЩ. Тези тенденция беше прекъсната
    единствено между 2016 и 2020. Сега просто се връщат в очакваните
    параментри. Новото в последните години е по-скоро факта, че
    крайнолевите и крайнодесните се обединиха (по сходни прични) в
    увлечението си по Москва.
    Същия феномен се наблюдава до голяма степен и в Европа. Очаквам в
    следващия Конгрес крайнолевите и крайнодесните да се обединят в
    опозиция на допълнително финансиране и въоръжаване на Украйна, но
    едва ли ще имат достатъчно гласове да променят сегашното състояние.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pelosi-reaffirms-us-support- for-ukraine-until-victory-is-won-after-progressive-lawmakers-push-for- talks-with-russia/ar-AA13m90C

    крайно леви, крайно десни, не е ли време да си прегледаш дефинициите?!

    Това са си техните дефиниции, не моите. "Прогресивни" какво означaва
    според теб?

    че не са прогресивни.

    питал съм (те) и друг път - ако имаш 5 коне, 10 крави и 100 кокошки, ако
    започнеш да казваш на конете крави, на кравите кокошки, а на кокошките
    коне, колко коне, крави и кокошки ще имаш?

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue Oct 25 19:50:27 2022
    On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 08:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Очаквам в следващия Конгрес крайнолевите и крайнодесните да се обединят
    в опозиция на допълнително финансиране и въоръжаване на Украйна,

    Ми дано, и не само те.

    но едва ли ще имат достатъчно гласове да променят сегашното състояние.

    За съжаление може би ще е така. Нищо че живота поскъпна много заради това
    безобразие дето го предизвикаха и поддържат.

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 25 17:23:52 2022
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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 25 17:25:39 2022
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Oct 26 03:42:06 2022
    On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 17:23:52 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Петрола е на същата цена като през деня преди Путин да започне войната.

    Храната ми поскъпна в последните 2 месеца много. И повечето други неща.
    Печатнето на пари продължава, сега щото освен друго храниме и войната.
    Демократите са още по-вдадени във войната от републиканците, в чиито
    редици почна да се чува леко глас на разума.

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Oct 26 04:29:23 2022
    On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 17:25:39 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 5:58:11 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    Liberals urge Biden to rethink Ukraine strategy

    A group of 30 House liberals is urging President Biden to dramatically
    shift his strategy on the Ukraine war and pursue direct negotiations
    with Russia, the first time prominent members of his own party have
    pushed him to change his approach to Ukraine.

    A letter sent by the group to the White House on Monday, first reported
    by The Washington Post, could create more pressure on Biden as he tries
    to sustain domestic support for the war effort, at a time when the
    region is heading into a potentially difficult winter and Republicans
    are threatening to cut aid to Ukraine if they retake Congress.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/24/biden-ukraine-
    liberals/

    верно, либерали са, но какво ли има да става? не в украйна, а по света?

    или и това е руска пропаганда? купили 30 продажника и стоят отстрани и
    гледат сеир?

    Накрая се оказаха обикновени страхливци.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/25/democrats-joe-biden-
    ukraine-war-russia-letter

    значи това, което казва чорби, ще продължи.

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    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Rumen@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 27 10:02:16 2022
    Am 26.10.2022 um 02:23 schrieb Ivaylo Ivanov:
    On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 3:50:32 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:
    On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 08:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
    Очаквам в следващия Конгрес крайнолевите и крайнодесните да се обединят
    в опозиция на допълнително финансиране и въоръжаване на Украйна,
    Ми дано, и не само те.
    но едва ли ще имат достатъчно гласове да променят сегашното състояние.
    За съжаление може би ще е така. Нищо че живота поскъпна много заради това
    безобразие дето го предизвикаха и поддържат.

    Глупости. Ти говориш както демократите. Петрола е на същата цена като през деня преди Путин да започне войната.
    Петролът може би, ама ела да видиш тука колко струва бензина и дизела!

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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Oct 27 15:44:25 2022
    On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 07:46:49 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:02:21 AM UTC-4, Rumen wrote:
    Am 26.10.2022 um 02:23 schrieb Ivaylo Ivanov:
    On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 3:50:32 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:
    On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 08:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
    Очаквам в следващия Конгрес крайнолевите и крайнодесните да се обединят
    в опозиция на допълнително финансиране и въоръжаване на Украйна,
    Ми дано, и не само те.
    но едва ли ще имат достатъчно гласове да променят сегашното състояние.
    За съжаление може би ще е така. Нищо че живота поскъпна много заради това
    безобразие дето го предизвикаха и поддържат.

    Глупости. Ти говориш както демократите. Петрола е на същата цена като през деня преди Путин да започне войната.
    Петролът може би, ама ела да видиш тука колко струва бензина и дизела!

    В Европа положението е съвсем друго. Аз коментирах положението (с инфлацията) в САЩ.

    Почти същото като в Европа, може би –малко– по-добре.
    Безин и дизел са с по 20% по-скъпи откак почна войната..

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 27 11:28:55 2022
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Oct 27 21:08:52 2022
    On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 11:28:55 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Проблема на Европа е сриването на еврото

    Аз защо стана така? Щото производството им много скъпо и никой не го иска?

    за Европа можем да кажем, че войната е съществен, но не основен,
    двигател на инфлацията.

    Да.

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Fri Oct 28 01:50:51 2022
    On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 15:42:09 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 5:08:54 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

    On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 11:28:55 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Проблема на Европа е сриването на еврото

    Аз защо стана така? Щото производството им много скъпо и никой не го
    иска?

    Не. Защото дълговите им са толкова големи (поне в големи страни като
    Италия), че ЕЦБ не може да вдигне лихвите дори до мижавото ниво на
    лихвите в САЩ. Положението в Япония е аналогично. Там централната банка
    продължава да държи лихвите на 0%, съответно йената падна още повече.

    понеже вашият дълг е някакви жалки проценти от вътрешния ви продукт. а
    невдигането на лихвите не е заради дълговете. но никой не иска да го каже.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 27 19:36:58 2022
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Fri Oct 28 03:59:06 2022
    On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:36:58 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:


    A за какво е ако не за нивото на дълговете на Италия (и няколко други силно задлъжнели страни в ЕС)? Поне 30% (най-вероятно над 50%) от
    сегашната инфлация в ЕС е пряко свързана с нежеланието на ЕЦБ да вдигне лихвите до нивото на американските.

    Тъй де, щото ще отидат моментално в здрава рецесия и с цоциалната им
    система ще е свършено, което ще доведе до френско-подобни бунтове..

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Fri Oct 28 05:17:12 2022
    On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:36:58 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 9:50:53 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 15:42:09 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 5:08:54 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:

    On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 11:28:55 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Проблема на Европа е сриването на еврото

    Аз защо стана така? Щото производството им много скъпо и никой не го
    иска?

    Не. Защото дълговите им са толкова големи (поне в големи страни като
    Италия), че ЕЦБ не може да вдигне лихвите дори до мижавото ниво на
    лихвите в САЩ. Положението в Япония е аналогично. Там централната
    банка продължава да държи лихвите на 0%, съответно йената падна още
    повече.

    понеже вашият дълг е някакви жалки проценти от вътрешния ви продукт. а
    невдигането на лихвите не е заради дълговете. но никой не иска да го
    каже.

    A за какво е ако не за нивото на дълговете на Италия (и няколко други
    силно задлъжнели страни в ЕС)? Поне 30% (най-вероятно над 50%) от
    сегашната инфлация в ЕС е пряко свързана с нежеланието на ЕЦБ да вдигне
    лихвите до нивото на американските.

    приказвах за вашия дълг - че не е по-малък от този на големите европейски
    държави.

    иначе чорби е прав защо не се вдигат лихвите, нищо че може.

    за твое успокоение, комунистите в българия се опитват ударно да ги
    настигнат.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 28 08:13:46 2022
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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 28 07:54:12 2022
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Fri Oct 28 16:32:16 2022
    On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 08:13:46 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:17:14 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:36:58 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 9:50:53 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 15:42:09 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 5:08:54 PM UTC-4, chorbalan
    wrote:

    On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 11:28:55 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Проблема на Европа е сриването на еврото

    Аз защо стана така? Щото производството им много скъпо и никой не
    го иска?

    Не. Защото дълговите им са толкова големи (поне в големи страни
    като Италия), че ЕЦБ не може да вдигне лихвите дори до мижавото
    ниво на лихвите в САЩ. Положението в Япония е аналогично. Там
    централната банка продължава да държи лихвите на 0%, съответно
    йената падна още повече.

    понеже вашият дълг е някакви жалки проценти от вътрешния ви продукт.
    а невдигането на лихвите не е заради дълговете. но никой не иска да
    го каже.

    A за какво е ако не за нивото на дълговете на Италия (и няколко други
    силно задлъжнели страни в ЕС)? Поне 30% (най-вероятно над 50%) от
    сегашната инфлация в ЕС е пряко свързана с нежеланието на ЕЦБ да
    вдигне лихвите до нивото на американските.

    приказвах за вашия дълг - че не е по-малък от този на големите
    европейски държави.

    иначе чорби е прав защо не се вдигат лихвите, нищо че може.

    Глупости. Ако можеше щяха да го направят. Ниските лихви само
    задълбочават кризата с инфлацията в Европа, което пък ще задълбочи
    стагфлацията на континента, най-лошия икономически вариант. Във
    Франкфурт знаят това много добре. Просто са решили да направят
    жертвоприношение с икономиката за да спасят общата валута (която е
    тотема на ЕС). В крайна сметка ще разрушат и двете. Следващата световна
    финансова криза ще започне най-вероятно в Европа.

    ъхъ, но в момента, в който вдигнат лихвите, едни прасета ще изреват на
    умряло.

    и ще трябва да се казват неща, от които всички във франкфурт бягат като
    дявол от тамян.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Fri Oct 28 19:16:07 2022
    On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 07:54:12 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 11:59:07 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:36:58 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:


    A за какво е ако не за нивото на дълговете на Италия (и няколко други силно задлъжнели страни в ЕС)? Поне 30% (най-вероятно над 50%) от
    сегашната инфлация в ЕС е пряко свързана с нежеланието на ЕЦБ да вдигне лихвите до нивото на американските.
    Тъй де, щото ще отидат моментално в здрава рецесия и с цоциалната им
    система ще е свършено, което ще доведе до френско-подобни бунтове..

    Най-вероятно, но ниските лихви по никакъв начин не решават европейските проблеми. По-скоро ги задълбочават и просто отлагат
    острата криза с няколко месеца. В момента Европа преследва същата монетарна политика като Турция. Резултата ще е същия.

    Подобна криза меже да доведе до (полу)разпадането на ЕС..

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