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On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 09:20:21 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Медианата на семийния доход в САЩ е $70,000.

Само? Въй!

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 23:09:23 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

Ъхъ, и имай предвид семеен, което значи $35 000 на калпак.

В Юта или в Юга става, в Калифорния, Вашингтон или Ню Йорк не.

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On Tue, 7 Feb 2023 07:42:11 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Аз лично не виждам как в неарктическа държава, в която хората имат лична
свобода, бездомните могат да изчезнат.

Така си е. Някой от уличниците не са бедни но живеят на улицата.
На едно момче майката замина да живее на улицата с приятелка, не е
психично или по друг начин болна.
И един млад пенсионер при нас, има къща за 2-3 милиона но живее на
улицата, дъщеря му го проверява от време на време..

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On Tue, 7 Feb 2023 19:30:49 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

median household income имат предвид average.

Глупости, има си ясна дефиниця за двете.

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On Tue, 7 Feb 2023 20:54:28 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

Така си е. Някой от уличниците не са бедни но живеят на улицата. На едно
момче майката замина да живее на улицата с приятелка, не е психично или
по друг начин болна.
И един млад пенсионер при нас, има къща за 2-3 милиона но живее на
улицата, дъщеря му го проверява от време на време..

А можеш ли да обясниш защо?

Така им харесва. Чичката е тресна в главата, но е не психотичен, просто
живее по алеите около плажа.
Сега се сетих има и една бабичка като него, но нея я прибират като стане
студено, но иначе тика количка с боклуци; тя е е баш с акъла си обаче.
А лелката за която стана дума я мързи и така и е по-удобно.

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 16:41:15 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

Вече обясних, че median не дава никаква съществена и полезна информация.
Дори average вече не е истинската средна.

A кое е? Щото ми се струва и в математиката почваш да намираш конспирации :-D

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On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 19:21:57 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 6:20:13 PM UTC-8, chorbalan wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 16:41:15 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

Вече обясних, че median не дава никаква съществена и полезна информация.
Дори average вече не е истинската средна.

A кое е? Щото ми се струва и в математиката почваш да намираш конспирации :-D

Чорби, елементарно е бе момче... на теб ли да обяснявам?
Като имаш масата да е с доходи 30 000-40 000 и 10%, които правят милиони,
средното може да е $100 000. Среднта може да е заплата, която никой не получава.
Просто казвам.

Затова се гледа median и average заедно и колкото са по-близко,
толкова разпределението е по-нормално.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:30:49 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 19:21:57 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 6:20:13 PM UTC-8, chorbalan wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 16:41:15 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

Вече обясних, че median не дава никаква съществена и полезна
информация.
Дори average вече не е истинската средна.

A кое е? Щото ми се струва и в математиката почваш да намираш
конспирации :-D

Чорби, елементарно е бе момче... на теб ли да обяснявам?
Като имаш масата да е с доходи 30 000-40 000 и 10%, които правят
милиони, средното може да е $100 000. Среднта може да е заплата, която
никой не получава.

Просто казвам.

Затова се гледа median и average заедно и колкото са по-близко,
толкова разпределението е по-нормално.

е, има и критерии за определяне нормалността на разпределение. то това май
беше първата работа, която се проверяваше на една извадка.

и начини да го приведеш към нормалното.

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 08:23:36 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

То само около мен се сещам за две такива градчета (а може
и да са повече).

В Калифорния всяко градче е таково, щото и най-залупената барачка
от няма и 100 кв.м. струва над милион :-)

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On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 19:27:56 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 10:33:23 PM UTC-8, Nick wrote:

On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:30:49 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 19:21:57 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 6:20:13 PM UTC-8, chorbalan wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 16:41:15 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

Вече обясних, че median не дава никаква съществена и полезна
информация.
Дори average вече не е истинската средна.

A кое е? Щото ми се струва и в математиката почваш да намираш
конспирации :-D

Чорби, елементарно е бе момче... на теб ли да обяснявам?
Като имаш масата да е с доходи 30 000-40 000 и 10%, които правят
милиони, средното може да е $100 000. Среднта може да е заплата,
която никой не получава.

Просто казвам.

Затова се гледа median и average заедно и колкото са по-близко,
толкова разпределението е по-нормално.

е, има и критерии за определяне нормалността на разпределение. то това
май беше първата работа, която се проверяваше на една извадка.

и начини да го приведеш към нормалното.

може би имаш предвид z scores. Ако едно разпределене има няколко
максимума, няма как да го приведеш към нормално, много трудно.

не, знаем какво е гаусовото разпределение, на прима виста се сещам за
разпределението на поасон, а ако се разтърся из паяжината, ще излязат и
други. и понеже не чета от учебник, споделям какво помня от времената,
когато правех статистическа обработка на опитни данни.

проверката за нормалност на разпределението на данните и привеждането им
към нормално такова бяха първите неща, които се правеха. сега не ми се
търсят записки от онова време, а не е ясно и дали ги имам в електронен
вид.

не съм сигурен, но мисля, че цялата статистическа обработка трябваше да се
прави върху данни, които са нормално разпределени. но това са неща от
преди повече от 30 години, така че за това не съм сигурен.

но върнете се към темата, която е за доходите в щатите, а не за
статистиката :)

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 19:41:52 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

В Калифорния на семейство с деца трябва ПОНЕ $100 000 за покриване на
належащи нужди

На семейства с 5 деца сигурно.
На семайства 1-2 и $80к стигат.
Става дума за належащи нужди, но тебе те знаеме че си претенциозна.

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On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 19:58:02 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

Извинявай, Мунчо, но в Калифорния басейнът си е направо необходимост.

Ай сиктир, Мунке!

Понеже кола ти трябва за работа, Калифорния е дивипт запад, тук обществен
транспорт няма, защо да не е BMW?!

На работа се ходи и с KIA, хем струва 3 пъти по-малко. И с останалите
$30К може да се помогне на бедните, както ти проповядваш.

Ти, Пернатовке, си лицемерна, както онова хипе Доротея от преди 10-ина години.

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On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:13:33 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 2:04:13 AM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 19:58:02 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

Извинявай, Мунчо, но в Калифорния басейнът си е направо необходимост.

Ай сиктир, Мунке!

Понеже кола ти трябва за работа, Калифорния е дивипт запад, тук обществен
транспорт няма, защо да не е BMW?!

На работа се ходи и с KIA, хем струва 3 пъти по-малко. И с останалите
$30К може да се помогне на бедните, както ти проповядваш.

Ти, Пернатовке, си лицемерна, както онова хипе Доротея от преди 10-ина години.

Тя се пишеше за хипи (живееки комфортно), но не помня да проповядваше "за бедните",
като наша Нерадост.

Тя беше зоофилка, но ядеше месо :-D

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On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:08:14 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

А хубавото на САЩ е именно това, че дава на всеки възможност на
покаже на какво е способен. Обратната страна на това е, че ако
си неспособен или нямаш късмет дъното също е дълбоко.

Точно така: ако си млад и с правилната професия най-добрфе е да си в САЩ.
Ако имаш сериозни здравни проблеми обаче по-добре да си в Канада или някъде
по западна Европа, че иначе - въй! Освен ако не си мултимилионер, де.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 15:42:57 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

За бедните тук здравеопазването е безплатно

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и много по-добро от Европа или Канада.

Дали?

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On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 21:14:16 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

Имам съмнения, че нищо не си разбрал, защото както съм казвала
ти си праволинеен като железопътна релса.

Пак изкара това до болка познато клише, как па едно ново не можа
да измислиш!?

И понеже ти доколкото знам, нямаш деца, не ти е познато чувството
на удовлетворение и гордост.

От къде знаеш? Най-вероятно е изработил 2-3 но не ни занимава с тях,
все пак не е жена.

След това паднах по стълбите и много неща се промениха.

Що не ги осъди? Помня каза стълбата нямала перила и била хлъзгава
от водата, демек необезопасена.

най-неспособните най-много пробиват в САЩ всъщност способните са
нежелани, защото правят другите да изглеждат тъпи и некадърни.

Като тебе ли?

Ти кола на изплащане никога ли не си имал?!

Това е набутване. Кола се купува винаги с готови пари.

Ако имах пари (примерно от тотото), да видиш как щях да карам
Ферари или Макларен...

Тъй де, а за бедните - един ..й.
И приказките ти за цоциална справедливост отваш веднага на боклука.
Не че не ти личи къде ти е болката.

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On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:38:49 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

$70 000 за четириченно семейство е нищо.

Америка не е Сан Диего ма, какво не разбра!? Тия пари в Ню Мексико са все едно $140К в Сан Диего.

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On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:49:42 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

А класата си е класа

Само комплексарите си мерят класата с коли, къщи и парцали.

Не само BMW, ами и Infinity SUV имат.

Всеки селянин тука има BMW.
Прочее какво е това инфинити?

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On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 06:41:50 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

Прочее какво е това инфинити?

същото, каквото е lexus на toyota, но е на Renault & Nisan.

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On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 08:18:03 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 8:46:28 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 15:42:57 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

За бедните тук здравеопазването е безплатно

?

и много по-добро от Европа или Канада.

Дали?

По мои лични наблюдения, да.

Ирландското?
Мой приятел от Франция, американец от 13-годинша възраст, се прибра
там преди години щото закъса здравно и казва, че няма да се върне
в Америка щото лечението му е прекалено скъпо там, а във Франция
поне за сега е почти безпатно за него.

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On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 09:37:04 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

за хората с добра часна застраховка също е евтино.

Частната застраховка е скъпа, особоне добрата.
И е евтино само за триците, така да се каже, а иначе дерат кожа.
Не дай си Боже да имаш сериозно заболяване в Америка.

Аз лично плащам $3-5000 на година, което е напълно приемливо.

И работодателят още $15-20000. А ако нямаш работодател?

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* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 14:31:29 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

Преди години, когато работех на пълен работен ден съм плащала $100 на
месец за ЦЯЛОТО семейство застраховка и покриваше 100% почти всичко.

Преди +25 години, да бъдем по-точни.

Най-голямата лъжа и несправедливост е да се мисли, че нечий живот е
по-ценен от този на другите.

Несправедливост за кого?

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On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 13:47:18 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

изтукан

само за протокола - истукан :)

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«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 12:55:08 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

При средна заплата 10000 франка на месец.

Както обикновено ръсиш десинформация:

In 2020, the OECD reported that the average annual salary in Switzerland
was around CHF 60,600. The average wage has remained relatively steady
over the past decade.

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On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 2:51:13 PM UTC-8, chorbalan wrote:

On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 12:55:08 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

При средна заплата 10000 франка на месец.

Както обикновено ръсиш десинформация:

In 2020, the OECD reported that the average annual salary in Switzerland
was around CHF 60,600. The average wage has remained relatively steady
over the past decade.

да не е 10 000, 6000 да е, какво са 1000 out of pocket :-))))


Teacher:CHF 87,500/year, CHF 7,292/month,
Physiotherapist: CHF 78,000/year, CHF 6500/month,
Pilot: CHF 76,000/year, CHF 6,334/month,
Stewardess: CHF 50,000/year, CHF 4209/month,
Vet: CHF 130,000/year, CHF 10,834/month,
Architect: CHF 75,000/year, CHF 6,250/month,
Policeman: CHF 82,200/year, CHF 6,850/month,
Journalist: CHF 85,200/year, CHF 7,100/month,
Jurist: CHF 108,000/year, CHF 9,000/month,
Lawyer: CHF 111,600/year, CHF 9,300/month,
Engineer: CHF 108,500/year, CHF 9,042/month.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 15:58:58 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 2:51:13 PM UTC-8, chorbalan wrote:

On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 12:55:08 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

При средна заплата 10000 франка на месец.

Както обикновено ръсиш десинформация:

In 2020, the OECD reported that the average annual salary in Switzerland
was around CHF 60,600. The average wage has remained relatively steady
over the past decade.

да не е 10 000, 6000 да е, какво са 1000 out of pocket :-))))

Teacher:CHF 87,500/year, CHF 7,292/month,
Physiotherapist: CHF 78,000/year, CHF 6500/month,
Pilot: CHF 76,000/year, CHF 6,334/month,
Stewardess: CHF 50,000/year, CHF 4209/month,
Vet: CHF 130,000/year, CHF 10,834/month,
Architect: CHF 75,000/year, CHF 6,250/month,
Policeman: CHF 82,200/year, CHF 6,850/month,
Journalist: CHF 85,200/year, CHF 7,100/month,
Jurist: CHF 108,000/year, CHF 9,000/month,
Lawyer: CHF 111,600/year, CHF 9,300/month,
Engineer: CHF 108,500/year, CHF 9,042/month.

А да ти светна в Швейцария е забележително по-скъпо от Калифиярния.

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