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    From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 11 05:45:39 2023
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Sat Feb 11 21:15:23 2023
    On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 05:45:39 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    От поредицата "Всичко върви по план"

    "Атака на руската армия край Угледар завърши с унизителен разгром"

    https://www.segabg.com/hot/category-the-war/ataka-na-ruskata-armiya-kray-ugledar-zavurshi-unizitelen-razgrom

    А няма ли да ни кажеш кой е авторът на статията и къде са му били
    геополитическите пристрастия? :-D

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  • From Dimitar Gueorguiev@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 11 12:25:21 2023
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Dimitar Gueorguiev on Sat Feb 11 21:16:54 2023
    On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 12:25:21 -0800 (PST), Dimitar Gueorguiev wrote:

    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 8:45:40 AM UTC-5, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
    От поредицата "Всичко върви по план"
    "Атака на руската армия край Угледар завърши с унизителен разгром"
    https://www.segabg.com/hot/category-the-war/ataka-na-ruskata-armiya-kray-ugledar-zavurshi-unizitelen-razgrom

    Между другото, в момента гледам интересен сериал по Нетфликс - "Hitler's circle of evil". Погледнат през контекста на войната в Украйна човек може да н
    аправи недвусмислени заключения за това какво се случва в момента и какво предстои.

    Има си хас, па ти си отявлен woke-er бе, как ще е иначе!

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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Sun Feb 12 01:59:13 2023
    On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 17:45:03 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 4:15:24 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:
    On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 05:45:39 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    От поредицата "Всичко върви по план"

    "Атака на руската армия край Угледар завърши с унизителен разгром"

    https://www.segabg.com/hot/category-the-war/ataka-na-ruskata-armiya-kray-ugledar-zavurshi-unizitelen-razgrom
    А няма ли да ни кажеш кой е авторът на статията и къде са му били
    геополитическите пристрастия? :-D

    Трябва да ти обяснявам кои са Гиркин и Ходаковски?

    Ми недей.

    А и ако не вяравш на тях винаги можеш да провериш с очите си.

    https://youtu.be/3uEZXUcmnZo
    https://youtu.be/Sb5V7sGHkhk


    To това е от преди 10 дена, а гледам днеска само за офанзива пишат
    дето тепърва щяла да почва и няма нищо за разгром.

    Тия и от двете страни са еднакво залупени и жертват хората си като че
    ли имат безкраен човешки ресурс. При такъв акъл побежада тоя който има
    повече хора.

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 11 17:45:03 2023
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to chorbalan on Sun Feb 12 08:52:52 2023
    On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 21:15:23 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

    On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 05:45:39 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    От поредицата "Всичко върви по план"

    "Атака на руската армия край Угледар завърши с унизителен разгром"

    https://www.segabg.com/hot/category-the-war/ataka-na-ruskata-armiya- kray-ugledar-zavurshi-unizitelen-razgrom

    А няма ли да ни кажеш кой е авторът на статията и къде са му били
    геополитическите пристрастия? :-D

    и кои са анонимните анализатори от нея :-D

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 14 14:17:00 2023
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue Feb 14 22:51:27 2023
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 14:17:00 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Тия и от двете страни са еднакво залупени и жертват хората си като че ли
    имат безкраен човешки ресурс. При такъв акъл побежада тоя който има
    повече хора.

    Ще видим.

    Мислиш че Украйна има шанс?

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 14 15:36:10 2023
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  • From Dimitar Gueorguiev@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 14 15:48:12 2023
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Feb 15 01:09:08 2023
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 15:36:10 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Сериозното въоръжаване на Украйна предстои, а руските танкове и
    артилерия са на превършване

    Ако това се случи Русия ще използва тактически ядрени бомби.
    То и затова въпросното въоръжаване все предстои.
    Такова развитие на нещата ще е много лошо. Аз мисля Украйна загуби Крим и част от Донбас завинаги и
    най-вече заради тормоза на населението там от бандеровските
    банди които правителството там се ослуша да озапти.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Dimitar Gueorguiev on Wed Feb 15 01:16:50 2023
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 15:48:12 -0800 (PST), Dimitar Gueorguiev wrote:

    Западът изглежда се е поучил от грешките си през 30те години
    на миналия век

    Изглежда точно обратното, шото западът поощри войната.
    В безкрайните войни на Америка западът си мълчеше послушно, но в
    този случай изигра съществена роля.

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Feb 15 06:26:02 2023
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 15:36:10 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 5:51:28 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 14:17:00 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Тия и от двете страни са еднакво залупени и жертват хората си като
    че ли имат безкраен човешки ресурс. При такъв акъл побежада тоя
    който има повече хора.

    Ще видим.
    Мислиш че Украйна има шанс?

    Съдейки от събитията през последните 12 месеца - да. Сериозното
    въоръжаване на Украйна предстои, а руските танкове и артилерия са на
    превършване. Изненадващо за мен Русия извади ядец с продажбата на
    петрол. Не знам дали това ще продължи,
    но финансовото им положение в момента е отчайващо. За разлика от САЩ,
    Русия няма как да финасира бюджетен дефицит от 16% от БВП (колкото беше
    през януари), искам да кажа без да предизвика трицифрена инфлация и
    голямо социално сътресение.

    Газовия шантаж срещу Европа също се провали, заради топлата зима.

    https://www.ft.com/content/3fd6e91f-71e4-4c02-9360-be20a2a78763

    и тези ли станаха руски агенти?

    между другото, има клипове как гонят украински наборници между блоковете.
    за полша вече ти казах да прочетеш сам.

    после да не се окажеш пак изненадан.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Dimitar Gueorguiev on Wed Feb 15 08:11:34 2023
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 15:48:12 -0800 (PST), Dimitar Gueorguiev wrote:

    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 6:36:12 PM UTC-5, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Сериозното въоръжаване на Украйна предстои, а руските танкове и
    артилерия са на превършване. Изненадващо за мен Русия извади ядец с
    продажбата на петрол. Не знам дали това ще продължи,
    но финансовото им положение в момента е отчайващо. За разлика от САЩ,
    Русия няма как да финасира бюджетен дефицит от 16% от БВП (колкото беше
    през януари), искам да кажа без да предизвика трицифрена инфлация и
    голямо социално сътресение.

    Газовия шантаж срещу Европа също се провали, заради топлата зима.

    това е война на военните индустрии на САЩ и ЕС от една страна и на
    Россия от друга страна. При положение че Европа и САЩ продължат да
    снабдяват Украйна със същите темпове Россия няма шанс да спечели тази
    война. Нещо повече Россия вече е с отслабени позиции в Централна Азия,
    която изпитва сериозно недоверие към непредсказуемия си северен съсед.
    Разпадането на Руската федерация такава каквато я познавахме е един
    възможен сценарии в случай на липса на победа и катастрофални загуби на
    човешки ресурс от руска страна. Западът изглежда се е поучил от грешките
    си през 30те години на миналия век и ще продължи да снабдява Украйна с
    необходимото и оръжие.

    ето още един, който не чете какво пише в свободната преса, а в нея имаше
    едно изказване на директора на нато за срока на доставка на боеприпаси с
    голям калибър. или изказването на не помня кой точно _висш американски
    политик_, че тепърва ще се произвеждат обещаните на украйна танкове абрамс
    (ако намерят завод за това, бих добавил).

    в същата тази преса пише, че гаубиците, доставени на украйна, не издържат
    на темпа, с който стрелят украинците, а техният темп всъщност бил 10 пъти
    по-бавен от този на руснаците.

    свалете розовите очила и погледнете сериозно на войната, това не е игра.

    и спрете да лицемерите и погледнете какви са загубите на украинците - те
    не са ли катастрофални? или защото воюват на ваша страна, не ви пука за
    тях? война срещу русия до последния украинец, нали?

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 15 08:54:09 2023
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Feb 15 17:11:16 2023
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 08:54:09 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Ако целта бе Донбас защо веднага тръгна към Киев*?

    Поради оказаната съпротива предполагам?

    *При това Байдън се изпусна и каза преди началото на инвзията,
    че ако Путин се ограничи с "ДНР"/"ЛДР" САЩ няма да направят нищо.

    Да бяха казали на Зеленски в прав текст да спре да говори за Донбас
    и Крим и да отиде на преговори с Русия.

    Прочее Путин и Зеленски няма да са вечни но наследството им ще е тежко.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Feb 15 17:18:29 2023
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 08:40:29 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    ако истината за
    зверствата на окупираните територии не бяха станали обществено достояние

    А зверствата в Донбас след 2014 не бяха ли ясни? Че ги имаше и в youtube.

    най-големия прблем на Русия след началото на инвазията е,

    че не ги посрещнаха с хляб и сол, както си бяха въобразили..

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 15 09:20:16 2023
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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 15 09:15:20 2023
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Feb 15 18:47:28 2023
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 09:15:20 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 1:26:04 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 15:36:10 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 5:51:28 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 14:17:00 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Тия и от двете страни са еднакво залупени и жертват хората си
    като че ли имат безкраен човешки ресурс. При такъв акъл побежада
    тоя който има повече хора.

    Ще видим.

    Мислиш че Украйна има шанс?

    Съдейки от събитията през последните 12 месеца - да. Сериозното
    въоръжаване на Украйна предстои, а руските танкове и артилерия са на
    превършване. Изненадващо за мен Русия извади ядец с продажбата на
    петрол. Не знам дали това ще продължи,
    но финансовото им положение в момента е отчайващо. За разлика от САЩ,
    Русия няма как да финасира бюджетен дефицит от 16% от БВП (колкото
    беше през януари), искам да кажа без да предизвика трицифрена
    инфлация и голямо социално сътресение.

    Газовия шантаж срещу Европа също се провали, заради топлата зима.

    https://www.ft.com/content/3fd6e91f-71e4-4c02-9360-be20a2a78763

    и тези ли станаха руски агенти?

    Не виждам голямо разминаване между написаното там и моите представи за
    ситуацията в момента.

    Аз също мисля, че Русия е загубила само 20% от самолетите си, но сред
    ударните (Су-24, Су-34) загубите са по-близо до 30-40%. А именно те са
    фактор във войната в Украйна.

    това според чий оценки? украински?

    защото според някои ваши оценки русия вече е загубила едва ли не цялата си
    армия, украинците с вашамощ миналата година взеха москва, по коледа
    прескочиха урал и сега напредват към курилските острови за да ги върнат на
    япония.

    да не кажеш след време, че си изненадан.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Feb 15 19:00:06 2023
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 09:20:16 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 12:11:17 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 08:54:09 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Ако целта бе Донбас защо веднага тръгна към Киев*?

    Поради оказаната съпротива предполагам?

    *При това Байдън се изпусна и каза преди началото на инвзията, че ако
    Путин се ограничи с "ДНР"/"ЛДР" САЩ няма да направят нищо.

    Да бяха казали на Зеленски в прав текст да спре да говори за Донбас и
    Крим и да отиде на преговори с Русия.

    Прочее Путин и Зеленски няма да са вечни, но наследството им ще е
    тежко.

    Да бяха казали на Путин, че ще си счупи главата с Украйна, и че войната
    му ще попилее Русия.

    абе идиот (да ме извинява чорби), оланд, меркел и порошенко признаха, че
    целта на минските споразумения е била да подготвят украинската армия за
    война с русия и че никога не са имали намерение да ги спазват.

    ато означава антитерористична операция и беше започната през 2014 година
    срещу двете републики. започната от превратаджиите в киев, а не от
    рускоезичното население в двете републики.

    след майдана, същите тези бандеровци започнаха разправа с всички, които се
    смятаха за различни от украинци, в духа на бандеровците от втората
    световна война. а в украйна има около 57 малцинства.

    преди началото на военната операция на руснаците, украинците бяха струпали
    към 350000 военни (армия, нацбатальони, териториална отбрана) на границата
    с двете републики. а ти твърдеше, че такова нещо нямало.

    истина е, че наляхте над 5 милиарда долара за корумпиране на украйна и за
    да спретнете преврата през 2014 година.

    това, което съм ти изброил са факти, а не интерпретации.

    така, че няма как вие да сте узцяло в бяло, а руснаците да са омазани,

    Щеше ли да промени нещо? А аз съм сугурен, че все някой му го е казал.

    имаше един ултиматум през декември месец, който ако го бяхте изпълнили,
    война нямаше да има.

    толкова за ограмотяването ти, не че ще има полза, но все пак.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Feb 15 20:13:13 2023
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:40:46 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 1:47:29 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 09:15:20 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 1:26:04 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 15:36:10 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 5:51:28 PM UTC-5, chorbalan
    wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 14:17:00 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Тия и от двете страни са еднакво залупени и жертват хората си
    като че ли имат безкраен човешки ресурс. При такъв акъл
    побежада тоя който има повече хора.

    Ще видим.

    Мислиш че Украйна има шанс?

    Съдейки от събитията през последните 12 месеца - да. Сериозното
    въоръжаване на Украйна предстои, а руските танкове и артилерия са
    на превършване. Изненадващо за мен Русия извади ядец с продажбата
    на петрол. Не знам дали това ще продължи,
    но финансовото им положение в момента е отчайващо. За разлика от
    САЩ,

    Русия няма как да финасира бюджетен дефицит от 16% от БВП (колкото
    беше през януари), искам да кажа без да предизвика трицифрена
    инфлация и голямо социално сътресение.

    Газовия шантаж срещу Европа също се провали, заради топлата зима.

    https://www.ft.com/content/3fd6e91f-71e4-4c02-9360-be20a2a78763

    и тези ли станаха руски агенти?

    Не виждам голямо разминаване между написаното там и моите представи
    за ситуацията в момента.

    Аз също мисля, че Русия е загубила само 20% от самолетите си, но сред
    ударните (Су-24, Су-34) загубите са по-близо до 30-40%. А именно те
    са фактор във войната в Украйна.

    това според чий оценки? украински?

    Мои. На база съответствие между украинските твърдения, потвърдените
    загуби и реалните загуби.

    По моя преценка за броя на разбитата/пленена техника украинците
    преувеличават с около 50-100% (за убитите руски войници с около 300%).
    Конкретно за самолетите и хеликоптерите преувеличават c около 100%

    чорби нали ти каза кога се лъже най-много. в момента не можеш да вярваш на
    никого.

    защото според някои ваши оценки русия вече е загубила едва ли не цялата
    си армия,

    Кой твърди подобно нещо?

    ами ти кажи, ти четеш вашата пропаганда.

    украинците с вашамощ миналата година взеха москва, по коледа прескочиха
    урал и сега напредват към курилските острови за да ги върнат на япония.

    Стига глупости. Никой не твърди, че украинците са тръгнали да грабят
    руска територия, каму ли Москва.

    не грабят, просто напредват 8-)

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 15 11:40:46 2023
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Nick on Thu Feb 16 01:46:54 2023
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 19:00:06 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

    след майдана, същите тези бандеровци започнаха разправа
    с всички, които се смятаха за различни от украинци,

    Изцепките бяха в youtube тогава, после ги цензурираха.

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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Feb 16 01:51:17 2023
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:40:46 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    По моя преценка за броя на разбитата/пленена техника украинците
    преувеличават с около 50-100%
    (за убитите руски войници с около 300%). Конкретно за самолетите и
    хеликоптерите преувеличават c около 100%.

    Toва как го прецени? Защо с 300 а не с 200 например, или с 500?
    Общо взето всичко за войната е пропаганда и лъжи, това още Бисмарк е
    обобщил така: "най-много се лъже преди избори, след лов и по време на война".

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to chorbalan on Thu Feb 16 05:11:12 2023
    On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 01:46:54 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 19:00:06 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

    след майдана, същите тези бандеровци започнаха разправа с всички, които
    се смятаха за различни от украинци,

    Изцепките бяха в youtube тогава, после ги цензурираха.

    така де, но в тази група явно само аз и ти ги помним.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 16 07:49:51 2023
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Feb 16 15:47:05 2023
    On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 04:46:32 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:


    Това, че всички лъжат не означава, че няма обективна реалност.

    Има, но е старателно скрита и недостижима за такива като тебе и мене.

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 17 08:10:11 2023
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    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Sun Apr 9 15:17:02 2023
    On Sun, 9 Apr 2023 06:38:20 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Друго потвърждение, че моите предположения/разчети са близо до истината:

    "While American officials have previously estimated Russian losses at about 200,000 soldiers, one of the reports indicated
    that there have been 189,500 to 223,000 casualties, including up to 43,000 killed in action."

    Това е опит за замазване на лъжата.

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