"A former adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin has said Moscow's
ongoing war in Ukraine could last for longer than two decades."

"longer than it was planned and expected, and there is no end in sight"

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-war-last-decades-vladimir-putin-adviser-sergei-markov-russia-1784990

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On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 12:49:47 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-5, Радостина wrote:

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 7:43:39 AM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

"A former adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin has said Moscow's
ongoing war in Ukraine could last for longer than two decades."

"longer than it was planned and expected, and there is no end in sight"

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-war-last-decades-vladimir-putin-adviser-sergei-markov-russia-1784990

General Douglas McGregor said recently: Ukraine has no chance of winning. It is a black hole of corruption and deceit.

Дъглас Макгрегор (добре изветен тръмпист) сме го обсъждали тук (виж списъка, който пуснах миналата седмица).
Сергей Марков от друга страна е путинист част от управляващия режим (не просто бивш съветник на Путин).

Стана досаден вече с този подход на "убиване на характера".
Бил тръпист - значи е вряг и по подразбиране не му вярваме.
Оня бил путинист - и за него така.
И к'во остава - като Перушинката, избираме си по симпатия на кой ще вярване.
И в същото време говориме за "факти" и "обективна реалност"..

Как мислиш, дали можем да му вярваме?
Както казах и преди, Путин ги търпя 8 години.
Те не му оставиха избор.

Така де. То и на Хитлер евреите не му оставли изабор...

Бе то и на Буш Саддам не му оставил избор, после и на Обама,
преди това на Клинтън, ама тях не ги даваме за пример.

Но ако Путин нямаше избор защо хора като теб бяха _100% сигруни_, че няма да започне войната??
Хайде обясни ми това.

Мислехме си че запада ще прояви разум и ще декларира Украйна извън НАТО
вместо да подтиква към конфронтация.

Сега ще трае толкова, колкото трябва.

Единственото за което ми е мъчно е че гинат буквално деца, на 18-19
за алчни и корумпирани старци.

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On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 20:30:44 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 5:50:48 PM UTC-8, Радостина wrote:

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 12:49:49 PM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-5, Радостина wrote:

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 7:43:39 AM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

"A former adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin has said
Moscow's ongoing war in Ukraine could last for longer than two
decades."

"longer than it was planned and expected, and there is no end in
sight"

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-war-last-decades-vladimir-putin- adviser-sergei-markov-russia-1784990

General Douglas McGregor said recently: Ukraine has no chance of
winning. It is a black hole of corruption and deceit.

Дъглас Макгрегор (добре изветен тръмпист) сме го обсъждали тук (виж
списъка, който пуснах миналата седмица).

И какво от това. Мислиш, че човек с опит в Ирак и Югославия не е наясно
със ситуацията?!

Не е единствен. А ти продъжаваш с тъпанарските етикети - путинист,
тръмпист, антиваксър. Всеки може да казва истини. Дори като четох Mein
Kampf се учудвах колко интересни мисли има там.
Казах ти, ти си единствения, който съди по това КОЙ го е казал а не
какво е казал.

Сергей Марков от друга страна е путинист част от управляващия режим
(не просто бивш съветник на Путин).

Как мислиш, дали можем да му вярваме?
Както казах и преди, Путин ги търпя 8 години.
Те не му оставиха избор.

Така де. То и на Хитлер евреите не му оставли изабор...
Но ако Путин нямаше избор защо хора като теб бяха _100% сигруни_, че
няма да започне войната??

Хайде обясни ми това.

Защото се надявах конфликтът в Донбас да се реши по мирен път.
Но Западът реши да дърпа меца за опашката.

Е колко дълго мислиш, че можеш да дразниш мечо, преди да извади
ноктите.

Каква отстъпка си очаквала от Запада, която те не направиха? Путин
настоя НАТО да се оттегли от цяла Източна Европа. Как си представяш това
да се случи?

елементарно, уотсън, стига да имаше желание за това.

ще кажеш ли нещо за антитерористичната операция в украйна? а за жертвите
от нея ще обелиш ли поне една дума? и те са руснаци, а гледам, че много
следиш какви жертви дават руснаците.

в момента си в ситуацията на онзи украинец, който изненадано питал „а нас
за какво?“.

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 20:25:43 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Стана досаден вече с този подход на "убиване на характера".

Какъв би бил смисъла ако аз цитирам изказвания на добре известни отявлено
про-украински коментатори (да речем Бен Ходжес) по въпроси свързани с
войната в Украйна, колкото и да са компетентни по военните въпроси? Дъглас
Макгрегор е добре известен с анти-украинските си позиции. Неслучайно
редовно е цитиран от руската пропаганда (където Нерадост го е намерила).
Какъв е смисъла да се цитират подобни хора?

Ми ти си цитираш хора с отявлени про-украински позиции. То изобщо що
спорите по въпроса като всеки си има нагласата и не иска да чуе нищо
друго?
По въпроса за военните действия там няма как да получиш реална представа
от европейските и американските медии, а може би и от световните и е
излишно да се спори по въпроса.

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On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 23:22:26 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

Това показва, че нямаш никакво самостоятелно мислене

Отдавна стана досадна с тази мантра! Па как и един път не се
сети поне словореда да промениш!

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On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 20:25:43 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Стана досаден вече с този подход на "убиване на характера".

Какъв би бил смисъла ако аз цитирам изказвания на добре известни
отявлено про-украински коментатори (да речем Бен Ходжес) по въпроси
свързани с войната в Украйна, колкото и да са компетентни по военните

а не го ли правиш? не да цитираш бен ходжис, а да цитираш проукраински
изказвания?

въпроси? Дъглас Макгрегор е добре известен с анти-украинските си
позиции. Неслучайно редовно е цитиран от руската пропаганда (където
Нерадост го е намерила). Какъв е смисъла да се цитират подобни хора?

научното ти образование не ти ли подсказва да заложиш на образованието и
опита на дъглас макгрегор, а не на характеристиките, които му даваш?

или пак трябва да опрем до изтъркалото се вече „я солженицин не читал …“?

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«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 07:28:29 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

То изобщо що спорите по въпроса като всеки си има нагласата и не иска
да чуе нищо друго?

По въпроса за военните действия там няма как да получиш реална
представа от европейските и американските медии

Само ако приемаш публикуваното безкритично. Иначе по-скоро не. Не е чак
толкова трудно да се добие реална представа за случващото се в Украйна.

и каква е обективната реалност в украйна според твоето критично приемане
на украинската пропаганда?

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«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 10:19:21 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:36:48 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 07:28:29 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

То изобщо що спорите по въпроса като всеки си има нагласата и не
иска да чуе нищо друго?

По въпроса за военните действия там няма как да получиш реална
представа от европейските и американските медии

Само ако приемаш публикуваното безкритично. Иначе по-скоро не. Не е
чак толкова трудно да се добие реална представа за случващото се в
Украйна.

и каква е обективната реалност в украйна според твоето критично
приемане на украинската пропаганда?

Патово, с много военни (приблизително равни) загуби от двете страни,
огромни загуби в техника за Русия, тежко увредена енергийна система за
Украйна, немалък брой убити цивилни украинци (навярно към 10,000 -
20,000), огромни разрушения в зоната на активни военни действия (с много
населени места сринати до основи). Изхода е неясен (освен че и двете
страни ще бъдата икономически съсипани след края на войната).
Приблизително такава е обективната реалност в Украйна.

приблизително равни?? на мосад вярваш ли? и защо само 10000-20000 цивилни
жертви? не броип ли и тези от антитерористичната операция в двете
републики?

има и други особености, но за тях ти е простено.

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On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 12:11:40 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:28:37 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 10:19:21 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:36:48 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 07:28:29 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

То изобщо що спорите по въпроса като всеки си има нагласата и не
иска да чуе нищо друго?

По въпроса за военните действия там няма как да получиш реална
представа от европейските и американските медии

Само ако приемаш публикуваното безкритично. Иначе по-скоро не. Не
е чак толкова трудно да се добие реална представа за случващото се
в Украйна.

и каква е обективната реалност в украйна според твоето критично
приемане на украинската пропаганда?

Патово, с много военни (приблизително равни) загуби от двете страни,
огромни загуби в техника за Русия, тежко увредена енергийна система
за Украйна, немалък брой убити цивилни украинци (навярно към 10,000 -
20,000), огромни разрушения в зоната на активни военни действия (с
много населени места сринати до основи). Изхода е неясен (освен че и
двете страни ще бъдата икономически съсипани след края на войната).
Приблизително такава е обективната реалност в Украйна.

приблизително равни?? на мосад вярваш ли? и защо само 10000-20000
цивилни жертви?

Дай го този източник за Мосад, но не от (про)руския сайт за
дезинформация (Hürseda haber) излизащ уж от Турция?

Ловите се на голи куки като най-тъпите балъци.

каза още по-тъпия балък.

не броип ли и тези от антитерористичната операция в двете републики?

Убитите преди 24 февруари 2022 не са включени. За тях ООН дават
сравнително изчерпателни сведения - 3,404 убити цивилни.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

wikipedia?!

то и монд дипломатик споменават нещо за жертвите, ама и те сайт за руска
дезинформация излязоха.

то работата е ясна, няма какво да се коментира повече, че милко пак ще ми
се разсърди.

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On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 12:45:09 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 3:36:41 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 12:11:40 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:28:37 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 10:19:21 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:36:48 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 07:28:29 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

То изобщо що спорите по въпроса като всеки си има нагласата и
не иска да чуе нищо друго?

По въпроса за военните действия там няма как да получиш реална
представа от европейските и американските медии

Само ако приемаш публикуваното безкритично. Иначе по-скоро не.
Не е чак толкова трудно да се добие реална представа за
случващото се в Украйна.

и каква е обективната реалност в украйна според твоето критично
приемане на украинската пропаганда?

Патово, с много военни (приблизително равни) загуби от двете
страни, огромни загуби в техника за Русия, тежко увредена
енергийна система за Украйна, немалък брой убити цивилни украинци
(навярно към 10,000 - 20,000), огромни разрушения в зоната на
активни военни действия (с много населени места сринати до
основи). Изхода е неясен (освен че и двете страни ще бъдата
икономически съсипани след края на войната). Приблизително такава
е обективната реалност в Украйна.

приблизително равни?? на мосад вярваш ли? и защо само 10000-20000
цивилни жертви?

Дай го този източник за Мосад, но не от (про)руския сайт за
дезинформация (Hürseda haber) излизащ уж от Турция?

Ловите се на голи куки като най-тъпите балъци.

каза още по-тъпия балък.

не броиш ли и тези от антитерористичната операция в двете републики?

Убитите преди 24 февруари 2022 не са включени. За тях ООН дават
сравнително изчерпателни сведения - 3,404 убити цивилни.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

wikipedia?!

Там е цитиран официален документ на _ООН_. Толкова ли не знаеш как да
кликнеш на линка?

там е проблемът, че щракнах.

и се чудя дали ти си по-тъп и от тъпите балъци, които споменаваш или си
още по-тъп и от това, което показваш.

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