On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:34:25 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Имам рак на гърдата.
Който иска да се свърже с мен и да ми даде съвети,
свърже с някой който го е преживял, или каквато и да е друга инфо,
групи, технологии, пишете ми на емайла. Едва ли ще се появявам често тук

На майка ми една колежка е оперирана преди 1975, още е жива.
Съвети ще ти дават лекарите, слушай ги и следвай старателно.
При съмнение искай второ мнение.
На слука!

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* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 08:49:39 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Предполагам си получила потвърждение от биопсия (в противен случай
диагнозите са несигурни и често неверни).

Не съм още, вчера ми я направиха

Тогава може да е липом. Дано да е.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:41:59 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 9:34:10 AM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 08:49:39 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Предполагам си получила потвърждение от биопсия (в противен случай
диагнозите са несигурни и често неверни).

Не съм още, вчера ми я направиха

Тогава може да е липом. Дано да е.

Отделно липомите са черни на мамограма, а ракът бял.

остави да излязат резултатите от биопсията и тогава го мисли.

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«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:34:25 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Имам рак на гърдата.
Който иска да се свърже с мен и да ми даде съвети,
свърже с някой който го е преживял, или каквато и да е друга инфо,
групи, технологии, пишете ми на емайла. Едва ли ще се появявам често тук

съвети относно болестта едва ли мога да ти дам, но се старай да се държиш
в добро психическо състояние, ще помогне.

и ако имаш нужда от нещо, знаеш кой адрес да използваш :)

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«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:23:45 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Дъщеря ми видя мамограмата и каза, че има разсейки навсякъде.
Така че вероятността за 4 степен е много голяма. не си представях
така да си отида....
Ивайло,
мога да те ползвам за съвет защото чвно ще трябва да се боря с тях за бързо всичко.

Чорби, как са кайзер добри бе, с никой не мога да се свържа и нищо не мога да ги накарам да напрвят.
ако е за рутинни неща при теб върви ама при мен сега
Та ако знаеш нещо сподели

Кайзер за мене винаги са правили каквото поискам, даже и без на настоявам особено.
Те не са застрахователна компания като другите, а лекарите им са си техни служители
и затова не им излизат прекомерно скъпи, та кандисват горе-долу лесно на всичко.
Дерзай, не ги оставяй!

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 19:15:00 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 5:49:14 PM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:23:45 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Дъщеря ми видя мамограмата и каза, че има разсейки навсякъде.
Така че вероятността за 4 степен е много голяма. не си представях
така да си отида....
Ивайло,
мога да те ползвам за съвет защото чвно ще трябва да се боря с тях за бързо всичко.

Чорби, как са кайзер добри бе, с никой не мога да се свържа и нищо не мога да ги накарам да напрвят.
ако е за рутинни неща при теб върви ама при мен сега
Та ако знаеш нещо сподели

Кайзер за мене винаги са правили каквото поискам, даже и без на настоявам особено.
Те не са застрахователна компания като другите, а лекарите им са си техни служители
и затова не им излизат прекомерно скъпи, та кандисват горе-долу лесно на всичко.
Дерзай, не ги оставяй!

Вчера ме държаха два часа на hold и накрая нищо. Чудя се как нямат линия само за отговори на медицински въпроси.
Вчера не знам от анестетик ли от радиация ли всичко почна да ме боли, повръщаше ми се, вертигото се влоши
и с никой не можах да се свържа да каже какво да правя.
И с докторката си не мога да говоря директно, или поне да оставя съобщение.
аз почти 15 години не съм имала застраховка, много неща са се променили.

Имат emergency line, teledoc или направо отиди там.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 01:09:15 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

2. намаляване на тумора с радиация и химиотерапия нищо не значи, ако не
се убият стволовите клетки на рака, затова той се връща.

стволови клетки на рака?!

както и да е, наблегни и на психиката, която е в тясна връзка със
състоянието на тялото. защото ако грохнеш психически, нищо друго няма да
ти помогне.

случилото се е случило, няма как да го върнеш, идеята е как да продължиш
да живееш с най-малко ограничения в новата ситуация. това зависи от теб
най-вече.

колко дълго ще живееш също не е в твоите ръце, но в тях е как ще го
изживееш.

извинявай за малко грубия подход, но това също са важни неща в твоята
ситуация.

аз минах през подобна ситуация, макар и не толкова сериозна като при теб
преди много години и това ми помогна да оцелея психически.

за другите неща, за които питаш, ще оставя ивайло да ти помогне, ако може.

това е засега.

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«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 02:40:56 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:10:05 AM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 01:09:15 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

2. намаляване на тумора с радиация и химиотерапия нищо не значи, ако
не се убият стволовите клетки на рака, затова той се връща.

стволови клетки на рака?!

да, виж връзката която съм дала, все пак това е учен, а и много други
говорят за това. Еми виждаш ли, и аз не знаех. :-)
Вече 2-3 дни не ям и не спя ама ракът и той :-)) и чета.

Значи тези стволови клетки може да са много малко, но ако не се убият,
ракът пак расте и се разпространява, затова напоследък се говори за
targeted treatment някои с лекарства, други с насочен ултразвук.

значи е въпрос на терминология. доколкото знам, винаги се е смятало, че
раковите клетки са „откачили“ нормални.

това с таргетирането е от много време, мой колега преди 10-ма години
работеше в израел върху подобни терапии.

Аз до преди 2-3 дни НИЩО не знаех.
Сега ставам "специалист" :-)

както и да е, наблегни и на психиката, която е в тясна връзка със
състоянието на тялото. защото ако грохнеш психически, нищо друго няма
да ти помогне.

случилото се е случило, няма как да го върнеш, идеята е как да
продължиш да живееш с най-малко ограничения в новата ситуация. това
зависи от теб най-вече.

не съм. е, не скачам от радост, но не съм отчаяна, ако за това си
мислиш.

не че си отчаяна, а да не се отчаеш. има разлика.

Ще правя каквото трябва, а оттам нататък...

цитираш тупак^W слави трифонов :)

колко дълго ще живееш също не е в твоите ръце, но в тях е как ще го
изживееш.

извинявай за малко грубия подход, но това също са важни неща в твоята
ситуация.

Не е груб никак, а и много хора го казват. Аз имах такава гадна реакция на локална упойка, само мога да си
представя другото.

По принцип съм адски нетолерантна и алергична към упойки и лекарства.
Не знам защо.

Каато родих сина ми и доктора носи кодеин.

Казвам му, мога да толерирам болката не ми трпбва той настоя.
Гледай какво става след това, повръщане с часове,
щях да го убия Хората повръщат от силни лекарства аз повръяам от кодеин,
та не знам как ще е :-(

ами казвай ги тези неща на лекарите, не се притеснявай.

аз минах през подобна ситуация, макар и не толкова сериозна като при
теб преди много години и това ми помогна да оцелея психически.

Абе аз вече не броя моите гадни ситуации.

е, няма да си мерим ситуациите, важното е да минеш през тази колкото се
може без последствия.

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«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 13:18:05 -0700 (PDT), Vedrin Jeliazkov wrote:

Една нашенска рецепта, която знам от фармаколог:

- - - - - - - - 8< - - - - - - - -
Куркума 1 чл
Кориандър 1 чл
Джинджифил сух 1/2 чл
Черен пипер на върха на лъжичката, ок 1 гр
Черен кимион 1 чл

1 чл лъжица мед, може да се пропусне

може да се добави за диабетни състояния: Цейлонска канела 1/2 чл

всички подправки смлени на прах подправките в лъжичките заравнени
всичко разбъркано в 1 чаша кисело мляко яде се сутрин преди ядене
- - - - - - - - 8< - - - - - - - -

Забравил си кавичките: "фармаколог".
Това сериозно ли си го написал?

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On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 18:31:27 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Тези холистик и интегративни средства не са на шарлатани,
това са хора с PhD

Шарлати с PhD.
Недей се поддава на тези глупости, а следвай съветите на истински лекари.

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On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 09:34:12 -0700 (PDT), Vedrin Jeliazkov wrote:

On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 12:40:14 AM UTC+3, chorbalan wrote:

On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 13:18:05 -0700 (PDT), Vedrin Jeliazkov wrote:

Една нашенска рецепта, която знам от фармаколог:

- - - - - - - - 8< - - - - - - - -
Куркума 1 чл
Кориандър 1 чл
Джинджифил сух 1/2 чл
Черен пипер на върха на лъжичката, ок 1 гр >> > Черен кимион 1 чл

1 чл лъжица мед, може да се пропусне

може да се добави за диабетни състояния: >> > Цейлонска канела 1/2 чл

всички подправки смлени на прах
подправките в лъжичките заравнени
всичко разбъркано в 1 чаша кисело мляко
яде се сутрин преди ядене
- - - - - - - - 8< - - - - - - - -

Забравил си кавичките: "фармаколог".
Това сериозно ли си го написал?

Ами да, съвсем сериозно. Въпросът, на който отговорих, беше:

On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 11:09:16 AM UTC+3, Радостина wrote:

Знам, застреляна съм., куркума с лъжица да ям?

Не твърдя, че гореописаната смес би могла да замени установените методи на лечение на онкоболни, но и едва ли би навредила, а и все пак би мо

гла да бъде полезна в някои случаи (например при наднормено тегло).

Става само като допълнение към истинското лечение.
Дано се оправи, както казах има случай в който след лечение на подобен
рак жените живеят по още +50 години.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 13:32:56 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

а и много често ракът се връща,

Ама и често не се връща

но да кажем убива раковите клетки,
обаче облъчва и здрави, които след това стават ракови.

Ето, гледах това видео на жена в БГ с рак с разсейки в костите и че
лекуват без химио и радиация вече 20 години.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL_3r6hShfM

Toва е някакъв анекдот, ама нищо не пречи да им се обадиш по телефона.

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 16:58:41 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Защото аз гледах някакви професори, които говорят именно за увеличение
експоненциално на раковите заболявания.

Здравните системи са по-добри от преди, тестовете са по-добри и това води
до по-голяма разкриваемост. Да не говорим че хората са наркомани, пушачи,
ядат боклуците(бургери, колбаси, пакерирани боклици..) в много повече от преди.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 17:41:15 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

И се извинявам, че съм obsessed на тази тема и ви занимавам,
но няпма кой да ми помогне. Дори не знам откъде да започна.

Не се притеснявай от нас.
Още си в шок, ще премине. Мисля че вече си понала от началото.

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On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 00:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

Сигурна съм че има напредък, но умишлено не се прилага.

Не испускаш възможност да се поакаш..

Химиотерапията и радиацията са разрушителни. Всички лечения са варварски.

Няма как да е иначе - нали все пак се убива една част, макар и зловредна,
от организма ти. Но трябва да се премине.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 00:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

:-(((

А защо не се насочат усилията за предотвратяване? Може би ваксина?!
Може би блокиране на пътищата за разпространение? Защо не се наливат
пари за тези неща?

Сигурна съм че има напредък, но умишлено не се прилага.

joy, за да предотвратиш една болест, трябва да познаваш нейния механизъм.
същото е и за ваксината.

а с раковите заболявания това все още не е така.

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)