• Bayraktar TB2 drones were hailed as Ukraine's savior and the future of

    From Nick@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 30 07:50:22 2023
    Bayraktar TB2 drones were hailed as Ukraine's savior and the future of
    warfare. A year later, they've practically disappeared.

    Alia Shoaib May 28, 2023, 12:08 PM GMT+3


    o In the early months of the Russia-Ukraine war, Bayraktar TB2 drones were hailed as Ukraine's savior.

    o However, a year later, nearly all of them are believed to have been shot
    down by Russian forces.

    o The remaining killer drones are now reduced to reconnaissance duties, an expert said.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/turkeys-bayraktar-tb2-drones-ineffective-ukraine-war-2023-5?r=US&IR=T



    Авторът сигурно е някой сърдит сириец, купен от руснаците в Сирия и
    започнал работа в Business Insider с цел да пробутва руска пропаганда.

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 30 08:55:13 2023
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue May 30 16:20:07 2023
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:55:13 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 3:52:33 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    Bayraktar TB2 drones were hailed as Ukraine's savior and the future of
    warfare. A year later, they've practically disappeared.

    Alia Shoaib May 28, 2023, 12:08 PM GMT+3

    o In the early months of the Russia-Ukraine war, Bayraktar TB2 drones
    were hailed as Ukraine's savior.

    o However, a year later, nearly all of them are believed to have been
    shot down by Russian forces.

    o The remaining killer drones are now reduced to reconnaissance duties,
    an expert said.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/turkeys-bayraktar-tb2-drones- ineffective-ukraine-war-2023-5?r=US&IR=T



    Авторът сигурно е някой сърдит сириец, купен от руснаците в Сирия и
    започнал работа в Business Insider с цел да пробутва руска пропаганда.

    Байрактарите си свършиха работата, но тенденцията за безпилотниците във
    войната за последната година е в съвсем друга посока, поне до изчерпване
    на ПВО - евтини, лесно заменими, и за еднократна употерба. В момента
    иранските Шахед (цена около $50,000) са еталона. Скоро това ще бъдат
    GLSDB на Сааб и Боинг (пак на същата цена). Това трябва да е очевидно и
    за случайните наблюдатели. За сравнение един Байрактар струва над
    $5,000,000.

    този анализатор казва друго, но както и да е, ти си ненадминат военен
    експерт, медийно грамотен при това.

    а и акцентът на пращулката е малко по-различен.

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 30 14:56:39 2023
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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue May 30 23:38:40 2023
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:56:39 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 3:52:33 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:
    Bayraktar TB2 drones were hailed as Ukraine's savior and the future of
    warfare. A year later, they've practically disappeared.

    Alia Shoaib May 28, 2023, 12:08 PM GMT+3


    o In the early months of the Russia-Ukraine war, Bayraktar TB2 drones were >> hailed as Ukraine's savior.

    o However, a year later, nearly all of them are believed to have been shot >> down by Russian forces.

    o The remaining killer drones are now reduced to reconnaissance duties, an >> expert said.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/turkeys-bayraktar-tb2-drones-ineffective-ukraine-war-2023-5?r=US&IR=T



    Авторът сигурно е някой сърдит сириец, купен от руснаците в Сирия и
    започнал работа в Business Insider с цел да пробутва руска пропаганда.

    Друга статия от Business Insider, щом толкова ти харесват :-P

    "Russia has lost two-thirds of its tanks since it invaded Ukraine as its military struggles with obsolete Soviet-era weapons"

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-has-lost-two-thirds-of-its-tanks-since-it-invaded-ukraine-as-its-military-struggles-with-obsolete-soviet-era-weapons-analyst-says/ar-AA1bT1jD

    Сигурно е така - повечето стари такива. Руснаците - и подобните им - винаги са били безхаберно некадърни в началото
    на всяка война която са водили, но после бързо учат и грешките намаляват.

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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed May 31 03:10:52 2023
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 19:20:44 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Любопитен факт в същия контекст: За последните 220 години Великобритания е спечелила всички войни, в които
    Русия също е участвала :-D

    Често и като кибици, които се включват в подходящия момент.

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 30 19:20:44 2023
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed May 31 04:28:06 2023
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:56:39 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 3:52:33 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    Bayraktar TB2 drones were hailed as Ukraine's savior and the future of
    warfare. A year later, they've practically disappeared.

    Alia Shoaib May 28, 2023, 12:08 PM GMT+3

    o In the early months of the Russia-Ukraine war, Bayraktar TB2 drones
    were hailed as Ukraine's savior.

    o However, a year later, nearly all of them are believed to have been
    shot down by Russian forces.

    o The remaining killer drones are now reduced to reconnaissance duties,
    an expert said.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/turkeys-bayraktar-tb2-drones- ineffective-ukraine-war-2023-5?r=US&IR=T



    Авторът сигурно е някой сърдит сириец, купен от руснаците в Сирия и
    започнал работа в Business Insider с цел да пробутва руска пропаганда.

    Друга статия от Business Insider, щом толкова ти харесват :-P

    "Russia has lost two-thirds of its tanks since it invaded Ukraine as its military struggles with obsolete Soviet-era weapons"

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-has-lost-two-thirds-of-its-
    tanks-since-it-invaded-ukraine-as-its-military-struggles-with-obsolete- soviet-era-weapons-analyst-says/ar-AA1bT1jD

    Явно си забравил какво казват старите хора за есента.

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