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    Apocalypse At Dresden
    By R. H. S. Crossman
    Esquire Magazine, November 1963

    If the British Commonwealth and the United States last a thousand
    years, men may say that this was their darkest hour.

    Were all the crimes against humanity committed during World War II the
    work of Hitler's underlings? That was certainly the impression created
    by the fact that only Germans were brought to trial at Nuremberg.
    Alas! It is a false impression. We all now know that in the terrible
    struggle waged between the Red Army and the German Wehrmacht, the
    Russians displayed their fair share of insensate inhumanity. What is
    less widely recognized - because the truth, until only recently, has
    been deliberately suppressed - is that the Western democracies were
    responsible for the most senseless single act of mass murder committed
    in the whole course of World War II.

    The devastation of Dresden in February, 1945, was one of those crimes
    against humanity whose authors would have been arraigned at Nuremberg
    if that Court had not been perverted into the instrument of Allied
    justice. Whether measured in terms of material destruction or by loss
    of human life, this "conventional" air raid was far more devastating
    than either of the two atomic raids against Japan that were to follow
    it a few months later. Out of 28,410 houses in the inner city of
    Dresden, 24,866 were destroyed; and the area of total destruction
    extended over eleven square miles.

    As for the death roll, the population, as we shall see, had been well
    nigh doubled by a last-minute influx of refugees flying before the Red
    Army; and even the German authorities -- usually so pedantic in their
    estimates -- gave up trying to work out the precise total after some
    35,000 bodies had been recognized, labeled and buried. We do know,
    however, that the 1,250,000 people in the city on the night of the
    raid had been reduced to 368,619 by the time it was over; and it seems
    certain that the death roll must have greatly exceeded the 71,879 at
    Hiroshima. Indeed, the German authorities were probably correct who, a
    few days after the attack, put the total somewhere between 120,000 and
    150,000.

    How was this horror permitted to happen? Was it a deliberate and
    considered act of policy, or was it the result of one of those ghastly misunderstandings or miscalculations that sometimes occur in the heat
    of battle? There are many who will say that these are academic
    questions belonging to history. I do not agree. Of course, what
    happened at Dresden belongs to the prenuclear epoch. But it has a
    terrible relevance to the defense strategy which the Western
    democracies are operating today. If the crime of Dresden is not to be
    repeated on a vaster scale, we must find out why it was committed.
    That, at least, has been my feeling, and there are two special reasons
    which have prompted me to go on investigating the facts for so many
    years. In the first place, I was myself involved in a quite minor
    capacity in the decisions which preceded it. When the Germans overran
    France in 1940 and the Chamberlain Government in London was replaced
    by the Churchill Government, there was a purge in Whitehall.
    Unexpectedly I found myself recruited to a secret department attached
    to the Foreign Office, with the title "Director of Psychological
    Warfare against Germany." My main task was to plan the overt and
    subvert propaganda which we hoped would rouse occupied Europe against
    Hitler. But I soon found myself caught up in a bitter top-secret
    controversy about the role of bomber offensive in the breaking of
    German morale.

    The Prime Minister was haunted by fears that the bloodletting of the
    Somme and Passchendaele in World War I would have to be repeated if we
    tried to defeat Hitler by landing and liberating Europe. So the Air
    Marshals found it easy to persuade him that if they were given a free
    hand they could make these casualties unnecessary by smashing the
    German home front into submission. What Hitler wreaked against London
    and Coventry, our bombers would repay a thousandfold, until the
    inhabitants of Berlin, Hamburg and every other city in Germany had
    been systematically "de-housed" and pulverized into surrender. To
    achieve this, the Air Marshals demanded that top priority in war
    production should be given not to preparations for the second front,
    but to the construction of huge numbers of four-engined night bombers.

    Eagerly Sir Winston Churchill accepted their advice, with the backing
    of his whole Cabinet. The only warning voices raised were those of a
    number of very influential scientists who, by means of careful
    calculations, threw serious doubt on the physical possibility of
    wreaking the degree of destruction required. Their mathematical
    arguments were reinforced by the studies we psychological warriors had
    made of British morale in the blitz. Assuming, wisely as it worked
    out, that the German people would behave under air attack at least as
    bravely as the British people, we demonstrated that the scale of
    frightfulness our bombers could employ against German cities would
    almost certainly strengthen civilian morale, and go stimulate the war production that it was intended to weaken.

    Early in 1941, these arguments were finally swept aside, and Britain
    was completely committed to the bomber offensive. By the time it
    reached its first climax in the raid on Hamburg, however, I had been transferred to Eisenhower's staff. I was happy, first in North Africa
    and then in SHAEF, to work with an Anglo-American staff who did not
    trouble to conceal how much they detested the hysterical mania for
    destruction and the cold-blooded delight in pounding the German home
    front to pieces displayed by the big-bomb boys. Indeed, one of my
    pleasantest memories is the attitude General Walter Bedell Smith
    displayed a few weeks after the Dresden raid. Sir Winston had accused
    "Ike" of being soft to the German civilians and ordered him to use
    terror tactics in order to panic them out of their homes and onto the
    roads, and so to block the German retreat. No one contradicted Sir
    Winston, but as soon as his back was turned, we were instructed to
    work out a directive that would prevent him getting his way.

    On V.E. Day, when I flew back to Britain in order to stand as a Labour Candidate in Coventry, I assumed with relief that my concern with
    bombing was over. But I was wrong. Within years, Coventry -- the main
    victim of the Luftwaffe -- had "twinned" itself with Dresden, the main
    victim of the R.A.F. And when Germany was divided and it became
    difficult for Westerners to go behind the Iron Curtain, I had a
    standing invitation to visit Dresden as the guest of its Lord Mayor. I
    have done so frequently, and on each occasion I have tried to match
    the inside experience of bombing strategy I acquired during the war
    with firsthand information from its victims "on the other side of the
    hill." I have also checked the published accounts of the destruction
    of Dresden available in Western and Eastern Germany, against the
    official History of the Strategic Bombing Offensive published only two
    years ago in Britain. These researches have left me in no doubt
    whatever how Dresden was destroyed, why it was destroyed, and what
    lessons we must draw from its destruction.

    The prelude to the bombing of Dresden was sounded by the Russian
    communique of January 12, 1945, which announced that the Red Army had
    resumed its offensive all along the front, and was advancing into
    Prussia and Silesia. This news could hardly have been more
    embarrassing, either to General Dwight D. Eisenhower whose armies were
    still recovering from the humiliating effects of General Karl von
    Rundstedt's Christmas offensive in the Ardennes, or to President
    Franklin D. Roosevelt and Prime Minister Churchill who were now
    preparing for the Yalta Conference due to start on February 4. Since
    the post war settlement was bound to be discussed with Josef Stalin in
    terms not of principle but of pure politics, Sir Winston felt that the impression created by the Red Army's occupation of Eastern Europe and
    advance deep into Germany must somehow be countered. But how? The
    obvious answer was by a demonstration right up against the Red Army of
    Western air power. What was required, he decided, was a thunderclap of Anglo-American aerial annihilation so frightful in the destruction it
    wreaked that even Stalin would be impressed.

    January 25 was the day when the decision was taken that resulted in
    the blotting out of Dresden. Until then, the capital of Saxony had
    been considered so famous a cultural monument and so futile a military
    target that even the Commander in Chief of Bombing Command, Air
    Marshal Sir Arthur Harris, had given it hardly a thought. All its flak batteries had been removed for use on the Eastern front; and the
    Dresden authorities had taken none of the precautions, either in the strengthening of air-raid shelters, or in the provision of concrete
    bunkers that had so startlingly reduced casualties in other German
    cities subjected to Allied attack. Instead, they had encouraged rumors
    that it would be spared either because Churchill had a niece living
    there, or else because it was reserved by the Allies as their main
    occupation quarters. These rumors were strengthened by the knowledge
    that no less than some 26,000 Allied prisoners were quartered in and
    around the city, and that its population had doubled to well over a
    million in recent weeks by streams of refugees from the East.

    All this Sir Winston knew on January 26. But early on that winter
    morning he had learned that the Russian Army had crossed the Oder at
    Breslav and was now only sixty miles from Dresden. Angrily he rang up
    Sir Archibald Sinclair, his Secretary of State for Air, and asked him
    what plans he had for "basting the Germans -- in their retreat from
    Breslav." Sir Archibald, whose main function it had been to protect
    Bomber Command from public criticism by a series of lying assurances
    that scrupulous care was taken to bomb only military targets, remained
    true to type. He prevaricated over the phone and next day replied that
    in the view of the Air Staff "intervention in winter weather at very
    long range over Eastern Germany would be difficult." To this the
    Premier replied with a memorandum so offensive in its controlled fury
    that the Minister and the Air Staff, never noted for their moral
    courage, were stampeded into action. At once, orders were given to
    concert with the American Eighth Air Force a plan for wiping out
    Leipzig, Chemnitz and Dresden. Sir Winston and his staff left for
    Yalta, where it became only too clear that the Premier's forebodings
    were justified. Strengthened by his victories, Stalin pressed his
    political demands upon a President now weakened and very near his
    death, and a Prime Minister isolated and ill at ease. When suggestions
    were made that the Western bombing should be used to help the Red Army
    advance, the Russian generals were chilly and unresponsive.
    Nevertheless, Sir Arthur Harris had already selected Dresden, now only
    sixty miles from the front, for destruction. And day by day, Sir
    Winston hoped that he would be able to impress Stalin with the
    demonstration of what Allied air power could achieve so near the
    Russian allies. But the weather was against him. The conference broke
    up on the eleventh, and it was only three days later -- long after the conference when it could no longer have any effect on the negotiations
    -- that the R.A.F.'s spokesman in London proudly announced the
    destruction of Dresden.

    We must now turn back and see what the airmen had been planning. Sir
    Arthur Harris was quick to seize the opportunity presented by the
    Prime Minister's insistence that Bomber Command must make its presence
    felt in Eastern Germany. Since 1941, by a slow process of trial and
    error, which had cost him many thousands of air crews, he had
    perfected his new technique of "saturation precision bombardment."
    First, daylight operations over Germany had been discarded as too
    costly; then, with raiding confined to nighttime target bombing, after
    a long period of quite imaginary successes, had been abandoned as too
    wildly inaccurate. The decision was taken to set each city center on
    fire and destroy the residential areas, sector by sector.

    In this new kind of incendiary attack, highly trained special crews
    were sent ahead to delineate a clearly defined target area with marker
    flares, nicknamed by the Germans "Christmas trees." When this had been
    done, all that remained for the rest of the bomber forces was to lay
    its bomb carpet so thickly that the defense, the A.R.P., the police,
    and the fire services would all be overwhelmed.

    This fire-raising technique was first used with complete success in
    the great raid on Hamburg. Thousands of individual fires conglomerated
    into a single blaze, creating the famous "fire-storms" effect, first
    described by the Police President of the city in a secret report to
    Hitler that soon fell into Allied hands:

    "As the result of the confluence of a number of fires, the air above
    is heated to such an extent that in consequence of its reduced
    specific gravity, a violent updraft occurs which causes great suction
    of the surrounding air radiating from the center of the fire... The
    suction of the fire storm in the larger of these area fire zones has
    the effect of attracting the already overheated air in smaller area
    fire zones... One effect of this phenomenon was that the fire in the
    smaller area fire zones was fanned as by a bellows as the central
    suction of the biggest and fiercest fires caused increased and
    accelerated attraction of the surrounding masses of fresh air. In this
    way all the area fires became united in one vast fire."

    The Hamburg fire storm probably killed some 40,000 people:
    three-quarters by carbon-monoxide poisoning as a result of the oxygen
    being sucked out of the air; the rest by asphyxiation.

    As soon as he heard that permission had been given to destroy Dresden,
    Air Marshal Harris decided to achieve this by a deliberately created
    fire storm, and to increase the effect he persuaded the Americans to
    split the available bombers into three groups. The task of the first
    wave was to create the fire storm. Three hours later, a second and
    much heavier night force of British bombers was timed to arrive when
    the German fighter and flak defenses would be off guard, and the
    rescue squads on their way. Its task was to spread the fire storm.
    Finally, the next morning, a daylight attack by the Eighth Air Force
    was to concentrate on the outlying areas, the new city.

    Two-pronged attacks had been successfully carried out during 1944
    against a number of German towns. The three-pronged attack employed at
    Dresden was unique and uniquely successful. The first wave, consisting
    of some two hundred fifty night bombers, arrived precisely on time and
    duly created a fire storm. The second force -- more than twice as
    strong and carrying an enormous load of incendiaries -- also reached
    the target punctually, and, undisturbed by flak or night fighters,
    spent thirty-four minutes carefully spreading the fires outside the
    first target area. Finally, to complete the devastation, some two
    hundred eleven Flying Fortresses began the third attack at 11:30 a.m.
    on the following morning. Without exaggeration, the commanders could
    claim that the Dresden raid had "gone according to plan." Everything
    which happened in the stricken city had been foreseen and planned with meticulous care.

    So far, we have been looking at the Dresden raid from "our own side of
    the hill" -- considering the point of view of Mr. Churchill, concerned
    to create the best impression possible on Stalin at the Yalta
    Conference, and of Air Marshal Harris, eager to demonstrate the
    technique for creating a fire storm. But what was the impact on the
    Dresdeners? Inevitably the raid has created its own folklore.
    Thousands of those who survived it now live in Western Germany, each
    with his own memory to retail to the visitor. In Dresden itself, the
    city fathers have now established an official Communist version, of
    which the main purpose clearly is to put the main blame on the
    "American imperialists" (we are solemnly told, for instance, that the
    R.A.F. was directed to special targets in the city by an American
    capitalist whose villa on the far side of the Elbe is now a luxury
    club for favored Communist artists). Nevertheless, anyone who bothers
    to read the books published in both Germanies and to compare the
    stories he hears from Communist and anti-Communist witnesses soon
    discovers that not only the outline of events but the details of the
    main episodes are agreed beyond dispute.

    Dresden is one of those German cities which normally devotes Shrove
    Tuesday to Carnival festivities. But on February 13, 1945, with the
    Red Army sixty miles away, the mood was somber. The refugees, who were
    crowded into every house, each had his horror story about Russian
    atrocities. In many parts of the city, and particularly around the
    railway station, thousands of latecomers who could find no corner in
    which to sleep were camping in the bitter cold of the open streets.
    The only signs of Carnival spirit, when the sirens sounded at 9:55
    p.m., were the full house at the circus and a few gangs of little
    girls wandering about in fancy dress. Though no one took the danger of
    a raid very seriously, orders must be obeyed and the population just
    had time to get down to its shelters before the first bombs fell at
    nine minutes past the hour.

    Twenty-four minutes later, the last British bomber was on its way back
    to England, and the inner city of Dresden was ablaze. Since there were
    no steel structures in any of its apartment houses, the floors quickly capsized, and half an hour after the raid was over the fire storm
    transformed thousands of individual blazes into a sea of flames,
    ripping off the roofs, tossing trees, cars and lorries into the air,
    and simultaneously sucking the oxygen out of the air-raid shelters.

    Most of those who remained below ground were to die painlessly, their
    bodies first brilliantly tinted bright orange and blue, and then, as
    the heat grew intense, either totally incinerated or melted into a
    thick liquid sometimes three or four feet deep. But there were others
    who, when the bombing stopped, rushed upstairs. Some of them stopped
    to collect their belongings before escaping, and they were caught by
    the second raid. But some 10,000 fled to the great open space of the
    Grosse Garten, the magnificent royal park of Dresden, nearly one and a
    half square miles in all. Here they were caught by the second raid,
    which started without an air-raid warning, at 1:22 a.m. Far heavier
    than the first - there were twice as many bombers with a far heavier
    load of incendiaries - its target markers had been deliberately placed
    in order to spread the fires into the black rectangle which was all
    the airmen could see of the Grosse Garten. Within minutes the fire
    storm was raging across the grass, ripping up some trees and littering
    the branches of others with clothes, bicycles and dismembered limbs
    that remained hanging for days afterward.

    Equally terrible was the carnage in the great square outside the main
    railway station. Here, the thousands camping out had been reinforced
    by other thousands escaping from the inner city, while within the
    station a dozen trains, when the first sirens blew, had been shunted
    to the marshaling yards and escaped all damage. After the first raid
    stopped, these trains were shunted back to the station platforms --
    just in time to receive the full force of the bombardment. For weeks,
    mangled bodies were littered inside and outside the station building.
    Below ground, the scene was even more macabre. The restaurants,
    cellars and tunnels could easily have been turned into effective
    bombproof shelters. The authorities had not bothered to do so, and of
    the two thousand crowded in the dark, one hundred were burned alive
    and five hundred asphyxiated before the doors could be opened and the
    survivors pulled out.

    The timing of the second raid, just three hours after the first, not
    only insured that the few night fighters in the area were off their
    guard, but it also created the chaos intended and effectively
    interrupted all rescue work. For many miles around, military
    detachments, rescue squads and fire brigades started on their way to
    the stricken city, and most of them were making their way through the
    suburbs when the bombs began to fall. Those who turned back were soon
    swallowed up in the mad rush of panic evacuation. Most of those who
    proceeded toward the center perished in the fire storm.

    The most terrible scenes in the inner city took place in the
    magnificent old market square, the Altmarkt. Soon after the first raid finished, this great square was jam-packed with panting survivors.
    When the second raid struck, they could scarcely move until someone
    remembered the huge concrete emergency water tank that had been
    constructed to one side. This tank was a hundred by fifty yards by six
    feet deep. There was a sudden stampede to escape the heat of the fire
    storm by plunging into it. Those who did so forgot that its sloping
    sides were slippery, with no handholds. The nonswimmers sank to the
    bottom, dragging the swimmers with them. When the rescuers reached the
    Altmarkt five days later, they found the tank filled with bloated
    corpses, while the rest of the square was littered with recumbent or
    seated figures so shrunk by the incineration that thirty of them could
    be taken away in a single bathtub.

    But perhaps the most memorable horror of this second raid occurred in
    the hospitals. In the last year of the war, Dresden had become a
    hospital city, with many of its schools converted into temporary
    wards. Of its nineteen hospitals, sixteen were badly damaged and
    three, including the main maternity clinic, totally destroyed.
    Thousands of crippled survivors were dragged by their nurses to the
    banks of the River Elbe, where they were laid in rows on the grass to
    wait for the daylight. But when it came, there was another horror.
    Punctually at 11:30 a.m., the third wave of bombers, the two hundred
    eleven American Flying Fortresses, began their attack. Once again, the
    area of destruction was extended across the city. But what the
    survivors all remember were the scores of Mustang fighters diving low
    over the bodies huddled on the banks of the Elbe, as well as on the
    larger lawns of the Grosse Garten, in order to shoot them up. Other
    Mustangs chose as their targets the serried crowds that blocked every
    road out of Dresden. No one knows how many women and children were
    actually killed by those dive-bombing attacks. But in the legend of
    Dresden destruction, they have become the symbol of Yankee sadism and brutality, and the inquirer is never permitted to forget that many
    choirboys of one of Dresden's most famous churches were among the
    victims.

    For five days and nights, the city burned and no attempt was made to
    enter it. Then at last the authorities began to grapple with the
    crisis and to estimate the damage. Of Dresden's five theatres, all had
    gone. Of her fifty-four churches, nine were totally destroyed and
    thirty-eight seriously damaged. Of her one hundred thirty-nine
    schools, sixty-nine ceased to exist and fifty were badly hit. The
    great zoo which lay just beyond the Grosse Garten had been struck in
    the second raid, and the panicked animals had mingled with the
    desperate survivors. Now they were rounded up and shot. Those who
    escaped from the prisons, when they too were blown up, had better
    fortune: they all managed to get away, including a number of brave
    anti-Nazis.

    But some things had survived destruction. The few factories Dresden
    possessed were outside the city center, and soon were at work again.
    So too was the railway system. Within three days, indeed, military
    trains were running once again right through the city, and the
    marshaling yards -- untouched by a bomb -- were in full operation. It
    was as though an ironical fate had decided that the first fire storm deliberately created by mortal man should destroy everything worth
    preserving, and leave untouched anything of military value. In their
    salvage work, the Nazis relied on some 25,000 Allied prisoners of war, concentrated in and around the city. Dresden, as was known very well
    in London and Washington, was not only a hospital city but a
    prisoner-of-war city -- still another reason why the authorities
    assumed it would not be attacked. Faced with the appalling scenes of
    suffering, the prisoners seemed to have worked with a will, even after
    some of their fellow-prisoners had been shot under martial law for
    looting.

    What Dresdeners chiefly remember of these first days after the raid is
    the disposal of the bodies. Throughout the war, German local
    authorities had been extremely careful to show great respect for
    death, enabling relatives wherever possible to identify and to bury
    their own dead. At first, this procedure was followed in Dresden. But
    weeks after the raid there were still thousands of unopened cellars
    under the smoldering ruins, and the air was thick with the fog and
    sweet stench of rotting flesh. An S.S. commander made the decision
    that the daily procession of horse-drawn biers from the city to the
    cemeteries outside must be stopped. If plague was to be prevented, the
    rest of the corpses must be disposed of more speedily. Hurriedly, a
    monstrous funeral pyre was constructed in the Altmarkt. Steel shutters
    from one of Dresden's biggest department stores were laid across
    broken slabs of ironstone. On this macabre gridiron, the bodies were
    piled with straw between each layer, soaked with gasoline and set
    ablaze. Nine thousand corpses were disposed of in this way, and eight
    cubic meters of ash were then loaded into gasoline containers and
    buried in a graveyard outside the city, twenty-five feet wide and
    fifteen feet deep.

    If it was expected in either London or Washington that the destruction
    of Dresden, despite its negligible military significance, would at
    least shatter German morale, this hope was soon to be disappointed --
    thanks to Paul Joseph Goebbels' skillful exploitation of the disaster.
    For days, the Propaganda Ministry in Berlin poured out, both in its
    foreign and in its home services, a stream of eyewitness accounts of
    the stricken city, backed up by moralistic attacks on the cold-blooded
    sadism of the men who created the fire storm. In his secret
    propaganda, Dr. Goebbels did even better by leaking to the neutral
    press a fictitious top-secret estimate that the casualties had
    probably reached 260,000. As a result of this Nazi propaganda
    campaign, the German people were convinced that the Anglo-American
    forces were indeed bent on their destruction. And their morale was
    once again stiffened by terror of defeat. Disturbed by the success of
    Dr. Goebbels' propaganda, the airmen decided to call a press
    conference on February 16 at SHAEF. As a result of the briefing, given
    by a British Air Commodore, Associated Press cabled a special dispatch
    all over the world, announcing "the long-awaited decision to adopt
    deliberate terror bombings of German population centers as a ruthless
    expedient of hastening Hitler's doom." The correspondents added that
    the Dresden attack was "for the avowed purpose of heaping more
    confusion on Nazi road and rail traffic, and to sap German morale."

    When this dispatch reached London, it was immediately censored on the
    ground that officially the R.A.F. only bombed military targets, and
    the attribution to it of terror raids was a vicious piece of Nazi
    propaganda. In the United States, where the dispatch was widely
    publicized, the embarrassment caused to the Administration was acute,
    since the Air Force spokesmen had seldom failed to point out the
    difference between the indiscriminate R.A.F. night attacks and the
    selective and precise nature of the daylight bombing carried out by
    the Eighth Air Force.

    In order to stop awkward questions, General George C. Marshall then
    gave a public assurance that the bombing on Dresden had taken place at
    Russian request. Although no evidence was produced either then or
    since for the truth of this statement, it was accepted uncritically
    and has since found its way into a number of official American
    histories.

    But suppression was not sufficient to stem the rising wave of public
    protest. Coming as it did when the war was virtually over, the wanton destruction of the Florence of the North and the mass murder of so
    many of its inhabitants was too much, even for a world public opinion
    fed for years on strident war propaganda. The publication of a lengthy
    report by a Swedish correspondent caused a revulsion of feeling.

    Within a few weeks, this revulsion against indiscriminate bombing had
    affected even Sir Winston Churchill. Up till now, the critics in the
    British Parliament of area bombing had been a small derided minority.
    Suddenly, their influence began to grow, and on March 28, Sir Winston
    in response to this new mood, wrote to the Chief of the Air Staff,
    beginning with the remarkable words: "It seems to me that the moment
    has come when the question of bombing of German cities simply for the
    sake of increasing the terror, though under other pretexts, should be reviewed." Since the Premier had taken the lead in demanding the
    switch from target to area bombing and had actively encouraged each
    new advance proposed by Air Marshal Harris in the technique of air obliteration, this memorandum could hardly have been less felicitously
    phrased. It provided damning evidence that so long as terror bombing
    was popular, the politicians would take credit for it; but now that
    public opinion was revolting against its senseless brutality, they
    were only too obviously running for cover and leaving the air force to
    take the blame.

    So outraged was the Chief of the Air Staff that on this occasion he
    stood up to Sir Winston, forcing him to withdraw the memorandum, and
    to substitute for it what the official historians - who narrate this
    incident in full - have described as "a somewhat more discreetly and
    fairly worded document."

    But in Britain at least the damage had already been done. From that
    moment, Bomber Command, which for years had been the object of
    adulation, became increasingly discredited, and the nickname of its
    Commander in Chief changed from "Bomber" Harris to "Butcher" Harris.
    Although the bomber crews, suffered far the heaviest casualties of any
    of the British armed services, no campaign medal was struck to
    distinguish their part in winning the war. In his victory broadcast of
    May 13, 1945, Sir Winston omitted any tribute to them, and after the
    Labour Government came to power, Earl Attlee was just as vindictive.
    In January, 1946, he omitted their Commander in Chief from his victory
    honors list. Sir Arthur Harris accepted the insult loyally, and on
    February 13 sailed to exile in South Africa.

    The Eighth Air Force was treated more gently, both by the politicians
    in Washington and by the American public. Its airmen received their
    share of campaign medals, and to this day it has never been officially
    admitted that by the end of the war they were bombing city centers and residential areas as wantonly by day as the R.A.F. was by night. There
    was, however, an important difference between the public image of the
    two Air Forces. The British Cabinet, having secretly decided to
    sanction indiscriminate terror bombing, concealed this decision from
    the British public and therefore compelled Bomber Command to operate
    under cover of a sustained and deliberate lie. In the case of the
    Eighth Air Force, self-deception took place of lying. Instead of doing
    one thing and saying another, the myth was maintained that on every
    mission the Flying Fortresses aimed exclusively at military targets,
    and this is still part of the official American legend of World War
    II. It was because it was impossible to square this legend with what

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  • From 25B.E866@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 19 20:25:34 2023
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    Dresden deserved it.

    Too bad they didn't do a repeat on Berlin.

    It was total war against NAZIs by then, and
    that's the way it had to be

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 03:37:56 2023
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    XPost: alt.military

    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 2/19/2023 7:25 PM, 25B.E866 wrote:
    Dresden deserved it.

    Too bad they didn't do a repeat on Berlin.

    It was total war against NAZIs by then, and
    that's the way it had to be

    That is a very thoughtless statement. Dresden was definitely a war
    crime. You find it to be justice to rain punishment and criticism on
    Germany about the terrible crimes of the over advertised and not so
    accurate destruction of the Jews et al Holocaust(Trademarked). I
    condemned the Nazi over the massive hit and miss destruction of London
    and other civilian centers. Winston Churchill should have had his
    testicles crushed to make him confess to the Murder of damned near 1
    million German civilians. The Same as he had done to German captives so
    they could be executed, whether or not guilty. Thinking of Churchill
    being half Jewish and then actually doing to the Germans what he
    condemned them for doing to the Jewish people is a damned travesty.
    When a Jewish run prison camp was set up in Poland for German run of the
    mill infantrymen after the war was over, Churchill blessed and condoned
    the bloody torture of these conscripted soldiers to appease England's
    blood lust. Even Eisenhower and Patton thought it was a crime. Some of
    what American CIA etc has done over the many decades since is definitely
    crimes against humanity. In ancient history there were times when such
    actions were handled honorably and with Nobles Oblige. Others were
    bloody sackings. Biblical times when the Jews were ordered by the God of Abraham to kill every man, woman and child of conquered lands. The Jews
    that failed to do so were destroyed by this God. Since most of the UK's
    and Europes bloodline came from the Germanic tribes, Is it not family
    murder?

    bnVsbA==

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  • From 25B.E866@21:1/5 to PaxPerPoten on Wed Feb 22 01:53:48 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, soc.culture.jewish, can.politics
    XPost: alt.military

    On 2/20/23 4:37 AM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    On 2/19/2023 7:25 PM, 25B.E866 wrote:
    Dresden deserved it.

    Too bad they didn't do a repeat on Berlin.

    It was total war against NAZIs by then, and
    that's the way it had to be

    That is a very thoughtless statement.

    No ... THEY started it, THEY were into huge
    massacres everywhere. Don't complain because
    they got some of their own medicine.

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 22 22:30:52 2023
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    XPost: alt.military

    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 2/22/2023 12:53 AM, 25B.E866 wrote:
    On 2/20/23 4:37 AM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    On 2/19/2023 7:25 PM, 25B.E866 wrote:
    Dresden deserved it.

    Too bad they didn't do a repeat on Berlin.

    It was total war against NAZIs by then, and
    that's the way it had to be

    That is a very thoughtless statement.

      No ... THEY started it, THEY were into huge
      massacres everywhere. Don't complain because
      they got some of their own medicine.

    Stick this in your pipe and smoke it!

    A war crime is a war crime no matter who commits it.
    Some Jackass jumping up and down screaming they started it does not make
    any less of a crime against humanity.

    Maybe you would also like to make excuses for the so-called Armistice if
    WWI that turned into the terrible Con job of a surrender . That bit of backstabbing was made to appease the goals of power seeking by President
    Wilson and to let the British cover their embarrassment over being all
    mouth and no asshole. The end result started with over 3 million Germans starving to death in the 20's and the Germans paying massive reparations
    for decades. All the while being suppressed to the point of the only
    answer was to allow the creation of the Nazi party and Adolph Hitler.
    These are the actions that created WWII in which 70 to 100 million
    civilians, soldiers and more were erased from the face of the earth.
    It did however make a really nice cottage industry of certain groups of
    Jews to reap buckets and buckets of geld(money) by hyping the terrible
    losses of Jews, Yet as Horrible as the Jews felt that was...After the
    Surrender they promptly set up Prison camps in Poland that did exactly
    to German citizens that which the Jews so heartily condemned.

    You do remember the Bolshevik Jews that murdered roughly 8 million
    Ukrainians during the Russian revolution. Also killed several thousand
    American Marines that President Wilson decided not to bring home after
    he ordered them there.

    Biblical God ordered the Jews to kill every man, woman and child in
    lands they conquered. God punished them when they failed to comply.

    You had best pray that the Russians never defeat your homeland.
    What the Germans did will look like heaven in comparison.


    bnVsbA==

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  • From jdyoung@21:1/5 to Nazi Nutjob "D. Ray" as NefeshBarYo on Thu Feb 23 05:23:47 2023
    On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 8:12:24 PM UTC-5, Nazi Nutjob "D. Ray" as NefeshBarYochai wrote:

    Were all the crimes against humanity committed during World War II the
    work of Hitler's underlings? That was certainly the impression created
    by the fact that only Germans were brought to trial at Nuremberg.
    Alas! It is a false impression.

    ROFL!
    Again with Dresden, Iben?

    Poor "JohnN/D.Ray/Chadlee/Flakey/loosebowels/etc."
    Every day, this loser displays the sort of mindless idiocy and
    anti-Semitism that always gives him away, irrespective of the dozens of
    nyms he hides behind.
    Always.
    Once a coward, always a coward.

    J Young, Official
    jdyo...@ymail.com

    Proselytize at your own risk

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  • From 25B.E866@21:1/5 to PaxPerPoten on Thu Feb 23 11:17:51 2023
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    XPost: alt.military

    On 2/22/23 11:30 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    On 2/22/2023 12:53 AM, 25B.E866 wrote:
    On 2/20/23 4:37 AM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    On 2/19/2023 7:25 PM, 25B.E866 wrote:
    Dresden deserved it.

    Too bad they didn't do a repeat on Berlin.

    It was total war against NAZIs by then, and
    that's the way it had to be

    That is a very thoughtless statement.

       No ... THEY started it, THEY were into huge
       massacres everywhere. Don't complain because
       they got some of their own medicine.

    Stick this in your pipe and smoke it!

    A war crime is a war crime no matter who commits it.
    Some Jackass jumping up and down screaming they started

    it does not make
    any less of a crime against humanity.

    , , ,

    "War crimes" are a very recent invention. Before that
    everybody slaughtered everybody no apologies, no
    consideration of "humanity" beyond seeing them as
    inconveniences to total conquest. If recent trends
    continue we'll all be right back to that again and
    the post-WW2 nicey-nice pipe-dream will be forgotten.

    Dresden was a vital working part of a very very nasty
    totalitarian machine. There should be no regrets about
    leveling it.

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 23 22:47:24 2023
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    XPost: alt.military

    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 2/23/2023 10:17 AM, 25B.E866 wrote:
    On 2/22/23 11:30 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    On 2/22/2023 12:53 AM, 25B.E866 wrote:
    On 2/20/23 4:37 AM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    On 2/19/2023 7:25 PM, 25B.E866 wrote:
    Dresden deserved it.

    Too bad they didn't do a repeat on Berlin.

    It was total war against NAZIs by then, and
    that's the way it had to be

    That is a very thoughtless statement.

       No ... THEY started it, THEY were into huge
       massacres everywhere. Don't complain because
       they got some of their own medicine.

    Stick this in your pipe and smoke it!

    A war crime is a war crime no matter who commits it.
    Some Jackass jumping up and down screaming they started

    it does not make
    any less of a crime against humanity.

    , , ,

      "War crimes" are a very recent invention. Before that
      everybody slaughtered everybody no apologies, no
      consideration of "humanity" beyond seeing them as
      inconveniences to total conquest. If recent trends
      continue we'll all be right back to that again and
      the post-WW2 nicey-nice pipe-dream will be forgotten.

      Dresden was a vital working part of a very very nasty
      totalitarian machine. There should be no regrets about
      leveling it.

    Of course you won't mind being on the receiving end of such...and with
    out lasting regrets. The history of warfare indicates that the Geneva conventions protocol was centuries in the making. Just the name alone
    comes from the country that has the longest active Democracy. started in
    the 12th Century AD. While this tiny country practiced Mercenary
    services for a price up until the 18th Century, They instilled a code of Comportment and Honor to all activities. Along with the Oath of service
    was also the oath to never surrender. To this day those Mercenaries
    guard the Vatican. Silly Vatican dictated uniforms and all. You are not
    alone in your beliefs that there are no rules. Many, of your beliefs
    learned what "Fragging" can do to that belief.

    bnVsbA==

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