• Re: Kamala Harris Pledges 'Unwavering Commitment' to Israel and No Poli

    From pothead@21:1/5 to Luke on Tue Sep 3 17:07:50 2024
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    On 2024-09-03, Luke <psycho.w.path@localhost.com> wrote:
    On 9/3/24 1:19 PM, D. Ray wrote:
    Kamala Harris pledged her "unequivocal and unwavering" commitment to Israel >> and said she would not change any current policies on arming the Jewish
    state in a pre-recorded interview released Thursday by CNN.

    Democrats and media propagandists are lying to their followers by telling
    them Kamala Harris is in anyway pro-Palestine and will represent a break
    from Biden's foreign policy. Harris herself keeps stating over and over
    again that she will change absolutely nothing!

    <https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=64623>

    <https://archive.ph/Nfm4m>


    Kamala Harris supports Israel and she has made that point clear.
    She was asked that very question by cnn and she answered it.
    What more do you want?

    You have been brainwashed by the radical left media.
    Instead of listening to what Kamala is saying look at her actions instead. That's assuming you can actually understand what Kamala Harris is saying.

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  • From Luke@21:1/5 to D. Ray on Tue Sep 3 12:57:41 2024
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    On 9/3/24 1:19 PM, D. Ray wrote:
    Kamala Harris pledged her "unequivocal and unwavering" commitment to Israel and said she would not change any current policies on arming the Jewish
    state in a pre-recorded interview released Thursday by CNN.

    Democrats and media propagandists are lying to their followers by telling them Kamala Harris is in anyway pro-Palestine and will represent a break
    from Biden's foreign policy. Harris herself keeps stating over and over again that she will change absolutely nothing!

    <https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=64623>

    <https://archive.ph/Nfm4m>


    Kamala Harris supports Israel and she has made that point clear.
    She was asked that very question by cnn and she answered it.
    What more do you want?

    --
    Luke

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  • From Brent Carver@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 3 17:35:22 2024
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    Kamala Harris supports Israel and she has made that point clear.
    She was asked that very question by cnn and she answered it.
    What more do you want?

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    Republicans are angry at the thousands of Israeli jews who turned out to protest in want of a cease fire. The US rightists accuse them of being antisemites. Trump gave Bibi a blowjob at Mar-a-Lardo recently because
    there wasn't any money to hand him.


    U.S. Jews upset with Trump’s latest rhetoric say he doesn’t get to tell
    them how to be Jewish
    Politics Mar 22, 2024 1:59 PM EDT

    Since the start of his political career, Donald Trump has played on
    stereotypes about Jews and politics.

    He told the Republican Jewish Coalition in 2015 that “you want to control
    your politicians” and suggested the audience used money to exert control.
    In the White House, he said Jews who vote for Democrats are “very disloyal
    to Israel.”

    Two years ago, the former president hosted two dinner guests at his Florida residence who were known to make virulent antisemitic comments.

    And this week, Trump charged that Jewish Democrats were being disloyal to
    their faith and to Israel. That had many American Jews taking up positions behind now-familiar political lines. Trump opponents accused him of
    promoting antisemitic tropes while his defenders suggested he was making a
    fair political point in his own way.

    READ MORE: Trump says Jews who vote for Democrats ‘hate Israel’ and ‘their religion’

    Jonathan Sarna, American Jewish history professor at Brandeis University,
    said Trump is capitalizing on tensions within the Jewish community.

    “For people who hate Donald Trump in the Jewish community, certainly this statement will reinforce their sense that they don’t want to have anything
    to do with him,” he said. “For people who like Donald Trump in the Jewish community, they probably nod in agreement.”

    To many Jewish leaders in a demographic that has overwhelmingly identified
    as Democratic and supported President Joe Biden in 2020, Trump’s latest comments promoted harmful antisemitic stereotypes, painting Jews as having divided loyalties and that there’s only one right way to be Jewish
    religiously.

    “That escalation of rhetoric is so dangerous, so divisive and so wrong,”
    said Rabbi Rick Jacobs, president of the Union for Reform Judaism, the
    largest U.S. Jewish religious denomination. “This is a moment when Israel
    needs there to be more bipartisan support.”

    But Matt Brooks, CEO of the Republican Jewish Coalition, said the former president’s comments must be heard in context of the Israel-Hamas war and Democratic criticisms of the state of Israel.

    “What the president was saying in his own unique style was giving voice to things I get asked about multiple times a day,” Brooks said. “How can Jews remain Democrats in light of what is going on?” He contended the Democratic Party is “no longer the pro-Israel bastion it used to be.”

    More than 31,800 Palestinians have been killed in the Israeli offensive
    that followed Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack on southern Israel, in which militants killed some 1,200 people and took hostages. Much of northern Gaza has been leveled, and officials warned famine is imminent.

    WATCH: ‘To Be A Jew Today’ examines modern, multifaceted faith and struggle

    Trump’s comments followed a speech by Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer,
    the country’s highest-ranking Jewish official. Schumer, a Democrat, last
    week sharply criticized Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ’s handling of
    the war in Gaza. Schumer called for new elections in Israel and warned the civilian toll was damaging Israel’s global standing.

    “Any Jewish person that votes for Democrats hates their religion,” Trump retorted Monday on a talk show. “They hate everything about Israel.”

    A cascade of Jewish voices, from Schumer to the Anti-Defamation League to religious leaders, denounced Trump’s statement.

    In a statement to The Associated Press on Wednesday, the Trump campaign
    doubled down, criticizing Schumer, congressional Democrats’ support of Palestinians and the Biden administration’s policies on Iran and on aid to Gaza.

    “President Trump is right,” said Karoline Leavitt, national press secretary
    for the Trump campaign.

    Jeffrey Hert, an antisemitism expert at the University of Maryland,
    disagrees with Schumer’s call for a cease-fire in Gaza, but believes most Democrats support Israel — and he said a second Biden term would be better
    for it than a second Trump one.

    “If (Trump) loses the 2024 election, his comments prepare the way for
    blaming the Jews for his defeat,” Herf said. “The clear result would be to
    fan the flames of antisemitism and assert that, yet again, the Jews are guilty.”

    Sarna saw Trump as trying to appeal to politically conservative Jews, particularly the small but fast-growing Orthodox segment, who see Trump as
    a defender of Israel.

    READ MORE: Majority of American Jews feel less safe than they did a year
    ago, survey finds

    Also, about 10 percent of U.S. Jews are immigrants, according to a 2020 Pew Research Center report. Sarna said significant numbers are conservative.

    At the same time, Democrats face the tension between their Jewish
    constituency, which is predominantly pro-Israel, and its progressive wing, which is more pro-Palestinian.

    Sarna said that while it may seem odd to focus so much attention on
    subsections of a minority population, “elections in America are very close,
    and every vote counts.”

    Conservative commentator Ben Shapiro said Tuesday on his podcast that Trump “was making a point that, frankly, I have made myself, which is that Jews
    who are voting Democrat do not understand the Democratic Party.” Shapiro,
    who practices Orthodox Judaism, contended the party “overlooks
    antisemitism” within its ranks.

    Rabbi Jill Jacobs, the CEO of T’ruah, a rabbinic human rights organization, said Trump has no business dictating who’s a good Jew.

    “By insinuating that good Jews will vote for the party that is best for
    Israel, Trump is evoking the age-old antisemitic trope of dual loyalty — an accusation that Jews are more loyal to their religion than to their
    country, and therefore can’t be trusted,” she said. “Historically, this accusation has fueled some of the worst antisemitic violence.”

    In his own time in office, Trump’s policy “of supporting Prime Minister Netanyahu and the settler agenda only endangered Palestinians and Israelis
    and made peace more difficult to achieve,” Jacobs said.

    Pittsburgh-based journalist Beth Kissileff — whose husband, a rabbi in the Conservative denomination of Judaism, in 2018 survived the nation’s
    deadliest antisemitic attack — said it was highly offensive for Trump to be
    a “self-appointed arbiter” of what it means to be Jewish.

    “Chuck Schumer had every right to say what he said,” Kissileff added. “Just because we’re Jews, it doesn’t mean we agree with everything the (Israeli) government is doing. We have compassion for innocent Palestinian lives.”

    Brooks, of the Republican Jewish Coalition, defended the former president against antisemitism charges, pointing to his presidential record as an
    example of proof.

    Trump pursued policies that were popular among American Christian Zionists
    and Israeli religious-nationalists, including moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem and supporting Jewish settlements in occupied territories. His daughter Ivanka is a convert to Orthodox Judaism, and her husband and their children are Jewish. The couple worked as high-profile surrogates to the
    Jewish community during Trump’s administration.

    Trump’s core supporters include white evangelicals, many of whom believe
    the modern state of Israel fulfills biblical prophecy. Prominent
    evangelicals who support Zionism have also been criticized for inflammatory statements about Jewish people.

    Sixty-nine percent of Jewish voters in 2020 supported Biden, while 30
    percent supported Trump, according to AP VoteCast, a survey of the
    electorate conducted in partnership with NORC at the University of Chicago. That made Jewish voters one of the religious groups where support for Biden
    was strongest. Also, 73 percent of Jewish voters in 2020 said that Trump
    was too tolerant of extremist groups.

    Rabbi Bradley Shavit Artson said Trump’s comments are “in a complex middle zone” — not explicitly antisemitic, but reliant on such tropes.

    American Jews base their votes on a complex mix of issues and values,
    “among them inclusion, diversity, climate change, civil rights,” said
    Artson, a leader within Conservative Judaism. “While they love Israel diversely, many of us also care about the wellbeing and self-determination
    of Palestinians.”

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/u-s-jews-upset-with-trumps-latest- rhetoric-say-he-doesnt-get-to-tell-them-how-to-be-jewish

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  • From D. Ray@21:1/5 to Luke on Tue Sep 3 19:54:06 2024
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    Luke <psycho.w.path@localhost.com> wrote:
    On 9/3/24 1:19 PM, D. Ray wrote:
    Kamala Harris pledged her "unequivocal and unwavering" commitment to Israel >> and said she would not change any current policies on arming the Jewish
    state in a pre-recorded interview released Thursday by CNN.

    Democrats and media propagandists are lying to their followers by telling
    them Kamala Harris is in anyway pro-Palestine and will represent a break
    from Biden's foreign policy. Harris herself keeps stating over and over
    again that she will change absolutely nothing!

    <https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=64623>

    <https://archive.ph/Nfm4m>


    Kamala Harris supports Israel and she has made that point clear.
    She was asked that very question by cnn and she answered it.
    What more do you want?

    I want to vote for someone who is not a shabbos goy. Is there such an
    option?

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