• Israel Deliberately Blocked Humanitarian Aid to Gaza, Two Government Bo

    From D. Ray@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 6 01:42:44 2024
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    The U.S. government’s two foremost authorities on humanitarian assistance concluded this spring that Israel had deliberately blocked deliveries of
    food and medicine into Gaza.

    The U.S. Agency for International Development delivered its assessment to Secretary of State Antony Blinken and the State Department’s refugees
    bureau made its stance known to top diplomats in late April. Their
    conclusion was explosive because U.S. law requires the government to cut
    off weapons shipments to countries that prevent the delivery of U.S.-backed humanitarian aid. Israel has been largely dependent on American bombs and
    other weapons in Gaza since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attacks.

    But Blinken and the administration of President Joe Biden did not accept
    either finding. Days later, on May 10, Blinken delivered a carefully worded statement to Congress that said, “We do not currently assess that the
    Israeli government is prohibiting or otherwise restricting the transport or delivery of U.S. humanitarian assistance.”

    Prior to his report, USAID had sent Blinken a detailed 17-page memo on Israel’s conduct. The memo described instances of Israeli interference with aid efforts, including killing aid workers, razing agricultural structures, bombing ambulances and hospitals, sitting on supply depots and routinely turning away trucks full of food and medicine.

    Lifesaving food was stockpiled less than 30 miles across the border in an Israeli port, including enough flour to feed about 1.5 million Palestinians
    for five months, according to the memo. But in February the Israeli
    government had prohibited the transfer of flour, saying its recipient was
    the United Nations’ Palestinian branch that had been accused of having ties with Hamas.

    Separately, the head of the State Department’s Bureau of Population,
    Refugees and Migration had also determined that Israel was blocking humanitarian aid and that the Foreign Assistance Act should be triggered to freeze almost $830 million in taxpayer dollars earmarked for weapons and
    bombs to Israel, according to emails obtained by ProPublica.

    The U.N. has declared a famine in parts of Gaza. The world’s leading independent panel of aid experts found that nearly half of the Palestinians
    in the enclave are struggling with hunger. Many go days without eating.
    Local authorities say dozens of children have starved to death — likely a significant undercount. Health care workers are battling a lack of immunizations compounded by a sanitation crisis. Last month, a little boy became Gaza’s first confirmed case of polio in 25 years.

    The USAID officials wrote that because of Israel’s behavior, the U.S.
    should pause additional arms sales to the country. ProPublica obtained a
    copy of the agency’s April memo along with the list of evidence that the officials cited to back up their findings.

    USAID, which is led by longtime diplomat Samantha Power, said the looming famine in Gaza was the result of Israel’s “arbitrary denial, restriction, and impediments of U.S. humanitarian assistance,” according to the memo. It also acknowledged Hamas had played a role in the humanitarian crisis.
    USAID, which receives overall policy guidance from the secretary of state,
    is an independent agency responsible for international development and
    disaster relief. The agency had for months tried and failed to deliver
    enough food and medicine to a starving and desperate Palestinian
    population.

    It is, USAID concluded, “one of the worst humanitarian catastrophes in the world.”

    In response to detailed questions for this story, the State Department said that it had pressured the Israelis to increase the flow of aid. “As we made clear in May when [our] report was released, the US had deep concerns
    during the period since October 7 about action and inaction by Israel that contributed to a lack of sustained delivery of needed humanitarian assistance,” a spokesperson wrote. “Israel subsequently took steps to facilitate increased humanitarian access and aid flow into Gaza.”

    Government experts and human rights advocates said while the State
    Department may have secured a number of important commitments from the Israelis, the level of aid going to Palestinians is as inadequate as when
    the two determinations were reached. “The implication that the humanitarian situation has markedly improved in Gaza is a farce,” said Scott Paul, an associate director at Oxfam. “The emergence of polio in the last couple months tells you all that you need to know.”

    The USAID memo was an indication of a deep rift within the Biden
    administration on the issue of military aid to Israel. In March, the U.S. ambassador to Israel, Jack Lew, sent Blinken a cable arguing that Israel’s war cabinet, which includes Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, should be trusted to facilitate aid shipments to the Palestinians.

    Lew acknowledged that “other parts of the Israeli government have tried to impede the movement of [humanitarian assistance,]” according to a copy of
    his cable obtained by ProPublica. But he recommended continuing to provide military assistance because he had “assessed that Israel will not
    arbitrarily deny, restrict, or otherwise impede U.S. provided or supported” shipments of food and medicine.

    Lew said Israeli officials regularly cite “overwhelming negative Israeli public opinion against” allowing aid to the Palestinians, “especially when Hamas seizes portions of it and when hostages remain in Gaza.” The Israeli government did not respond to a request for comment but has said in the
    past that it follows the laws of war, unlike Hamas.

    In the months leading up to that cable, Lew had been told repeatedly about instances of the Israelis blocking humanitarian assistance, according to
    four U.S. officials familiar with the embassy operations but, like others quoted in this story, not authorized to speak about them. “No other nation has ever provided so much humanitarian assistance to their enemies,” Lew responded to subordinates at the time, according to two of the officials,
    who said the comments drew widespread consternation.

    “That put people over the edge,” one of the officials told ProPublica. “He’d be a great spokesperson for the Israeli government.”

    A second official said Lew had access to the same information as USAID
    leaders in Washington, in addition to evidence collected by the local State Department diplomats working in Jerusalem. “But his instincts are to defend Israel,” said a third official.

    “Ambassador Lew has been at the forefront of the United States’ work to increase the flow of humanitarian assistance to Gaza, as well as diplomatic efforts to reach a ceasefire agreement that would secure the release of hostages, alleviate the suffering of Palestinians in Gaza, and bring an end
    to the conflict,” the State Department spokesperson wrote.

    The question of whether Israel was impeding humanitarian aid has garnered widespread attention. Before Blinken’s statement to Congress, Reuters reported concerns from USAID about the death toll in Gaza, which now stands
    at about 42,000, and that some officials inside the State Department,
    including the refugees bureau, had warned him that the Israelis’ assurances were not credible. The existence of USAID’s memo, Lew’s cable and their broad conclusions were also previously reported.

    But the full accounting of USAID’s evidence, the determination of the refugees bureau in April and the statements from experts at the embassy — along with Lew’s decision to undermine them — reveal new aspects of the striking split within the Biden administration and how the highest-ranking American diplomats have justified his policy of continuing to flood Israel
    with arms over the objections of their own experts.

    Stacy Gilbert, a former senior civil military adviser in the refugees
    bureau who had been working on drafts of Blinken’s report to Congress, resigned over the language in the final version. “There is abundant
    evidence showing Israel is responsible for blocking aid,” she wrote in a statement shortly after leaving, which The Washington Post and other
    outlets reported on. “To deny this is absurd and shameful.

    “That report and its flagrant untruths will haunt us.”

    The State Department’s headquarters in Washington did not always welcome
    that kind of information from U.S. experts on the ground, according to a
    person familiar with the embassy operations. That was especially true when experts reported the small number of aid trucks being allowed in.

    “A lot of times they would not accept it because it was lower than what the Israelis said,” the person told ProPublica. “The sentiment from Washington was, ‘We want to see the aid increasing because Israel told us it would.’”

    While Israel has its own arms industry, the country relies heavily on
    American jets, bombs and other weapons in Gaza. Since October, the U.S. has shipped more than 50,000 tons of weaponry, which the Israeli military says
    has been “crucial for sustaining” the Israel Defense Forces’ “operational
    capabilities during the ongoing war.”

    The U.S. gives the Israeli government about $3.8 billion every year as a baseline and significantly more during wartime — money the Israelis use to buy American-made bombs and equipment. Congress and the executive branch
    have imposed legal guardrails on how Israel and other partners can use that money.

    One of them is the Foreign Assistance Act. The humanitarian aid portion of
    the law is known as 620I, which dates back to Turkey’s embargo of Armenia during the 1990s. That part of the law has never been widely implemented.
    But this year, advocacy groups and some Democrats in Congress brought it
    out of obscurity and called for Biden to use 620I to pressure the Israelis
    to allow aid freely into Gaza.

    In response, the Biden administration announced a policy called the
    National Security Memorandum, or NSM-20, to require the State Department to
    vet Israel’s assurances about whether it was blocking aid and then report
    its findings to lawmakers. If Blinken determined the Israelis were not facilitating aid and were instead arbitrarily restricting it, then the government would be required by the law to halt military assistance.

    Blinken submitted the agency’s official position on May 10, siding with
    Lew, which meant that the military support would continue.

    In a statement that same day, Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., criticized the administration for choosing “to disregard the requirements of NSM-20.”

    “Whether or not Israel is at this moment complying with international standards with respect to facilitating humanitarian assistance to
    desperate, starving citizens may be debatable,” Van Hollen said. “What is undeniable — for those who don’t look the other way — is that it has repeatedly violated those standards over the last 7 months.”

    As of early March, at least 930 trucks full of food, medicine and other supplies were stuck in Egypt awaiting approval from the Israelis, according
    to USAID’s memo.

    The officials wrote that the Israeli government frequently blocks aid by imposing bureaucratic delays. The Israelis took weeks or months to respond
    to humanitarian groups that had submitted specific items to be approved for passage past government checkpoints. Israel would then often deny those submissions outright or accept them some days but not others. The Israeli government “doesn’t provide justification, issues blanket rejections, or cites arbitrary factors for the denial of certain items,” the memo said.

    Israeli officials told State Department attorneys that the Israeli
    government has “scaled up its security check capacity and asserted that it imposes no limits on the number of trucks that can be inspected and enter Gaza,” according to a separate memo sent to Blinken and obtained by ProPublica. Those officials blamed most of the holdups on the humanitarian groups for not having enough capacity to get food and medicine in. USAID
    and State Department experts who work directly with those groups say that
    is not true.

    In separate emails obtained by ProPublica, aid officials identified items
    in trucks that were banned by the Israelis, including emergency shelter
    gear, solar lamps, cooking stoves and desalination kits, because they were deemed “dual use,” which means Hamas could co-opt the materials. Some of the trucks that were turned away had also been carrying American-funded
    items like hygiene kits, the emails show.

    In its memo to Blinken, USAID also cited numerous publicly reported
    incidents in which aid facilities and workers were hit by Israeli
    airstrikes even sometimes after they had shared their locations with the
    IDF and received approval, a process known as “deconfliction.” The Israeli government has maintained that most of those incidents were mistakes.

    USAID found the Israelis often promised to take adequate measures to
    prevent such incidents but frequently failed to follow through. On Nov. 18,
    for instance, a convoy of aid workers was trying to evacuate along a route assigned to them by the IDF. The convoy was denied permission to cross a military checkpoint — despite previous IDF authorization.

    Then, while en route back to their facility, the IDF opened fire on the aid workers, killing two of them.

    Inside the State Department and ahead of Blinken’s report to Congress, some of the agency’s highest-ranking officials had a separate exchange about whether Israel was blocking humanitarian aid. ProPublica obtained an email thread documenting the episode.

    On April 17, a Department of Defense official reached out to Mira Resnick,
    a deputy assistant secretary at the State Department who has been described
    as the agency’s driving force behind arms sales to Israel and other
    partners this year. The official alerted Resnick to the fact that there was about $827 million in U.S. taxpayer dollars sitting in limbo.

    Resnick turned to the Counselor of the State Department and said, “We need
    to be able to move the rest of the” financing so that Israel could pay off bills for past weapons purchases. The financing she referenced came from American tax dollars.

    The counselor, one of the highest posts at the agency, agreed with Resnick. “I think we need to move these funds,” he wrote.

    But there was a hurdle, according to the agency’s top attorney: All the relevant bureaus inside the State Department would need to sign off on and agree that Israel was not preventing humanitarian aid shipments. “The principal thing we would need to see is that no bureau currently assesses
    that the restriction in 620i is triggered,” Richard Visek, the agency’s acting legal adviser, wrote.

    The bureaus started to fall in line. The Middle East and human rights
    divisions agreed and determined the law hadn’t been triggered, “in light of Netanyahu’s commitments and the steps Israel has announced so far,” while noting that they still have “significant concerns about Israeli actions.”

    By April 25, all had signed off but one. The Bureau of Population, Refugees
    and Migration was the holdout. That was notable because the bureau had
    among the most firsthand knowledge of the situation after months of working closely with USAID and humanitarian groups to try to get food and medicine
    to the Palestinians.

    “While we agree there have been positive steps on some commitments related
    to humanitarian assistance, we continue to assess that the facts on the
    ground indicate U.S. humanitarian assistance is being restricted,” an official in the bureau wrote to the group.

    It was a potentially explosive stance to take. One of Resnick’s
    subordinates in the arms transfer bureau replied and asked for
    clarification: “Is PRM saying 620I has been triggered for Israel?”

    Yes, replied Julieta Valls Noyes, its assistant secretary, that was indeed
    the bureau’s view. In her email, she cited a meeting from the previous day between Blinken’s deputy secretary and other top aides in the
    administration. All the bureaus on the email thread had provided talking
    points to the deputy secretary, including one that said Israel had “failed
    to meet most of its commitments to the president.” (None of these officials responded to a request for comment.)

    But, after a series of in-person conversations, Valls Noyes backed down, according to a person familiar with the episode. When asked during a staff meeting later why she had punted on the issue, Valls Noyes replied, “There will be other opportunities,” the person said.

    The financing appears to have ultimately gone through.

    Less than two weeks later, Blinken delivered his report to Congress.


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  • From 186282vewq.BZ943@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 6 05:48:18 2024
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    Why would you want anyone giving aid to
    your enemies ?

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  • From D. Ray@21:1/5 to 186282vewq@bz943.net on Sun Oct 6 13:28:20 2024
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    186282vewq.BZ943 <186282vewq@bz943.net> wrote:
    Why would you want anyone giving aid to
    your enemies ?

    I don’t care if you think that Palestinian women and children are your enemies. US law disagree, and two government agencies who have authority to decide.

    Everyone knows that you’re shabbos goy and you would have no issues with throwing American laws out of the window if it benefits Israel. You don’t have to keep sucking circumcised dick, Joos already nutted.

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  • From kazu@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 6 15:48:48 2024
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    186282vewq.BZ943 wrote:
    Why would you want anyone giving aid to
    your enemies ?


    it makes sense if the one giving is a bigger enemy and that
    somehow it made them weaker for it?

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  • From Michael Ejercito@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 6 09:27:16 2024
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    186282vewq.BZ943 wrote:
    Why would you want anyone giving aid to
    your enemies ?
    Did anyone block humanitarian aid to Germany and Japan during the
    first half of the 1940's.


    Michael

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  • From David Hartung@21:1/5 to Michael Ejercito on Sun Oct 6 10:29:12 2024
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    On 10/6/2024 9:27 AM, Michael Ejercito wrote:
    186282vewq.BZ943 wrote:
    Why would you want anyone giving aid to
    your enemies ?
        Did anyone block humanitarian aid to Germany and Japan during the first
    half of the 1940's.


    Shut up, you stupid greasy STI-spreading beaner.

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 6 14:56:28 2024
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    186282vewq.BZ943 wrote:
    Why would you want anyone giving aid to
    your enemies ?

    What would Jesus do?

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to Michael Ejercito on Sun Oct 6 15:00:34 2024
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    Michael Ejercito wrote:
    186282vewq.BZ943 wrote:
    Why would you want anyone giving aid to
    your enemies ?
        Did anyone block humanitarian aid to Germany and Japan during
    the first half of the 1940's.

    They were called blockades.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Starvation

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  • From Michael Ejercito@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Sun Oct 6 17:41:56 2024
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    Siri Cruise wrote:
    186282vewq.BZ943 wrote:
    Why would you want anyone giving aid to
    your enemies ?

    What would Jesus do?


    What He did to Germany and Japan in the first half of the 1940's.


    Michael

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  • From Michael Ejercito@21:1/5 to David Hartung on Sun Oct 6 17:40:33 2024
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    David Hartung wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 9:27 AM, Michael Ejercito wrote:
    186282vewq.BZ943 wrote:
    Why would you want anyone giving aid to
    your enemies ?
         Did anyone block humanitarian aid to Germany and Japan during the >> first half of the 1940's.


    Shut up, you stupid greasy STI-spreading beaner.

    You sure keep calling me a beany greaser.

    I must ioffend you so with the truth that I share!


    Michael

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  • From kazu@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 7 01:23:44 2024
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    % wrote:
    kazu wrote:
    186282vewq.BZ943 wrote:
    Why would you want anyone giving aid to
    your enemies ?


    it makes sense if the one giving is a bigger enemy and that
    somehow it made them weaker for it?

    you guys have funny enemies


    example wrt russia: america gave all its ammunition to ukraine
    and now its short on ammunition?

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  • From D. Ray@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 7 02:41:36 2024
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    The U.S. government's two foremost authorities on humanitarian assistance concluded this spring that Israel had deliberately blocked deliveries of
    food and medicine into Gaza.



    Their conclusion was explosive because U.S. law requires the government
    to cut off weapons shipments to countries that prevent the delivery of U.S.-backed humanitarian aid.



    But Blinken and the administration of President Joe Biden did not accept either finding. Days later, on May 10, Blinken delivered a carefully
    worded statement to Congress that said, "We do not currently assess that
    the Israeli government is prohibiting or otherwise restricting the
    transport or delivery of U.S. humanitarian assistance."

    Prior to his report, USAID had sent Blinken a detailed 17-page memo on Israel's conduct. The memo described instances of Israeli interference
    with aid efforts, including killing aid workers, razing agricultural structures, bombing ambulances and hospitals, sitting on supply depots
    and routinely turning away trucks full of food and medicine.

    This fucker lied to Congress perfectly knowing that he is lying. Reminder:
    this is the same Blinken who was telling to Netanyahu “I come before you as
    a Jew.”

    I agree, those people don’t have dual loyalty, they have single loyalty. To Israel. And there is no crime they won’t do in the service of their
    barbarous tribe.

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 7 04:36:05 2024
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    In article <BrbXDRXhrpHLBJPaJLEWRkcdCREGUlcw@news.usenet.farm>,
    D. Ray <d@ray> wrote:

    [flush]

    "On 30 June 2024, the IPC Global Famine Review Committee released a report that said
    it could not find evidence of famine in Gaza during its report period based on its
    surveys of households."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip_famine

    "Arab, Western officials agree Hamas is keeping Gaza food, fuel for itself - NY Times"

    "Hamas Terrorists Steal Humanitarian Aid, Beat Civilians"

    "Gazans to IDF: Hamas steals UNRWA food, kills civilians who ask for aid"

    "As Gazans Scrounge for Food and Water, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies"

    etc. etc. etc.

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  • From 186283@ud0s4.net@21:1/5 to kazu on Mon Oct 7 00:51:30 2024
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    On 10/6/24 11:48 AM, kazu wrote:
    186282vewq.BZ943 wrote:
    Why would you want anyone giving aid to
    your enemies ?


    it makes sense if the one giving is a bigger enemy and that somehow it
    made them weaker for it?


    Umm ... not 100% sure I followed that sentence ....

    The Problem is that Hamas, and to a fair extent
    Hezbollah, managed to recruit the average Abdul
    as a supporter/enthusiast. The PLAN behind that
    was very cynical, very evil - to use that pop
    as 'human shields' and thus leverage the bleeding-
    heart segment of Western Culture to defend and
    support THEM no matter what.

    So, as we've seen, Hamas/Hez basically use babies
    as sandbags to protect their mil assets - and the
    western MSM cries crocodile tears if anybody dares
    attack.

    But, sorry Abdul, YOU volunteered yourself and your
    family to The Great Genocidal Cause. So ....

    Oh, NONE of this is new in this part of the world.
    The Levant and Mesopotamia have a history of conquests
    and more conquests, genocides and more genocides,
    grudges and more grudges, going back very literally to
    the beginning of recorded history. Everybody hates,
    and smites, everybody. Any claims to territory are
    held with blood, not by any history or 'right'.

    What a fuckin' MESS !

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to 186282@ud0s4.net on Sun Oct 6 22:14:08 2024
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    186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
      The Problem is that Hamas, and to a fair extent
      Hezbollah, managed to recruit the average Abdul
      as a supporter/enthusiast.

    What alternatives does Abdul have?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Mon Oct 7 06:47:27 2024
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    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 04:36:05 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    "Gazans to IDF ...

    Really?? When was the last time the IDF actually spoke to Gazans, instead
    of shooting at them? Heck, they were even shooting their own people when
    they thought they were Gazans.

    ... Hamas steals UNRWA food ...

    But hasn’t Israel claimed that UNRWA is somehow in cahoots with Hamas? Now you’re saying they are not on the same side.

    Doesn’t Israel hate UNRWA? Israel has been the one destroying UNRWA facilities and killing their personnel, and using that accusation of
    complicity with Hamas to get its friends in the US and elsewhere to cut
    off funding to the UN organization. So now you want to play up sympathy by saying the object of your hate is the victim of Hamas?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 7 06:50:10 2024
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    On Sun, 6 Oct 2024 05:48:18 -0400, 186282vewq.BZ943 wrote:

    Why would you want anyone giving aid to your enemies ?

    Like the Red Cross, for example? MSF? Humanitarian NGOs? Or indeed, any civilian hospital?

    Are they all fair game for your killing machine?

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Mon Oct 7 07:17:36 2024
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    In article <ve00b1$1k931$8@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Or indeed, any civilian hospital?

    As in here?

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/finnish-tv-rockets-fired-from-gaza-hospital/ Finnish TV: Hamas fires rockets from Gaza hospital

    These are your heroes. Why? What's your problem?

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  • From David Hartung@21:1/5 to Michael Ejercito on Mon Oct 7 11:20:11 2024
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    On 10/6/2024 5:40 PM, Michael Ejercito wrote:
    David Hartung wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 9:27 AM, Michael Ejercito wrote:
    186282vewq.BZ943 wrote:
    Why would you want anyone giving aid to
    your enemies ?
         Did anyone block humanitarian aid to Germany and Japan during the first
    half of the 1940's.


    Shut up, you stupid greasy STI-spreading beaner.

       You sure  keep calling me a beany greaser.

    Because you *are* a dirty stupid greasy beaner. Shut the fuck up.

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  • From Klaus Schadenfreude@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 7 11:19:17 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc, alt.politics

    On 10/6/2024 9:51 PM, 186282@ud0s4.net, racist Nazi pseudo-sage, took his hands and mouth off Xi's dick long enough to peck:

    On 10/6/24 11:48 AM, kazu wrote:
    186282vewq.BZ943 wrote:
    Why would you want anyone giving aid to
    your enemies ?


    it makes sense if the one giving is a bigger enemy and that somehow it made >> them weaker for it?


      Umm ... not 100% sure I followed that sentence ....

      The Problem is that Hamas, and to a fair extent
      Hezbollah, managed to recruit the average Abdul

    *Shut the fuck up*, you goddamned racist Nazi pseudo-sage. You don't know anything about either Hamas or Hezbollah.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Mon Oct 7 20:20:56 2024
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 07:17:36 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    In article <ve00b1$1k931$8@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Or indeed, any civilian hospital?

    As in here?

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/finnish-tv-rockets-fired-from-gaza-hospital/ Finnish TV: Hamas fires rockets from Gaza hospital

    Can you find any other report to back that up?

    No?

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Mon Oct 7 20:57:11 2024
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    In article <ve1fr8$1rd13$2@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/finnish-tv-rockets-fired-from-gaza-hospital/ >> Finnish TV: Hamas fires rockets from Gaza hospital

    Can you find any other report to back that up?

    Why isn't it enough?

    What about this?

    https://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/21/washington-post-shifa-hospital-in-gaza-city-has-become-a-de-facto-h
    eadquarters-for-hamas-leaders-who-can-be-seen-in-hallways-and-offices/ Washington Post: Shifa Hospital in Gaza City 'Has Become a De Facto Headquarters
    for Hamas Leaders, Who Can Be Seen in Hallways and Offices'

    During 2014 Gaza War, the hospital was described by journalists and authors as the de-facto
    headquarters of Hamas.[45][46][47] Amnesty International documented how the Hamas forces used the
    abandoned areas of the hospital to abduct, torture, and kill Palestinians accused of collaborating
    with Israel.[48][49]

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Mon Oct 7 22:01:44 2024
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 20:57:11 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    During 2014 Gaza War, the hospital was described by journalists and
    authors as the de-facto headquarters of Hamas.[45][46][47] Amnesty International documented how the Hamas forces used the abandoned areas
    of the hospital to abduct, torture, and kill Palestinians accused of collaborating with Israel.[48][49]

    So a decade later, Israel uses that excuse to destroy the hospital, and
    all the innocent patients in it?

    Just another example of the “intelligence failure” that allowed the
    October 7 attacks to catch the entire country by surprise ...

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  • From Michael Ejercito@21:1/5 to Grimble Crumble on Mon Oct 7 18:02:12 2024
    XPost: alt.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc

    Grimble Crumble wrote:
    David Hartung <junk@LCMS_shitbags.org> wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 5:40 PM, Michael Ejercito wrote:
    David Hartung wrote:
    Shut up, you stupid greasy STI-spreading beaner.

       You sure  keep calling me a beany greaser.

    Because you *are* a dirty stupid greasy beaner. Shut the fuck up.


    He sure won't. His real point will drown your petty name-calling. He will continue to convince others while your insults will be forgotten.


    No doubt about it!

    All these pro-Hamasshole simps can do it call people greasers.

    Another pro-Hamasshole nithing calls me a gook!


    https://soc.culture.israel.narkive.com/xYVTdNrF/october-7-offered-a-stark-choice-between-good-and-evil#post2


    Michael

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  • From D. Ray@21:1/5 to hello there on Wed Oct 9 03:55:28 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc, alt.politics
    XPost: alt.military

    hello there <no-spam-thank-you@not.home> wrote:

    In article <BrbXDRXhrpHLBJPaJLEWRkcdCREGUlcw@news.usenet.farm>,
    D. Ray <d@ray> wrote:

    [flush]

    "On 30 June 2024, the IPC Global Famine Review Committee released a report that said

    Oh, you mean American government should put words of some random “Global Famine Review Committee” before findings of government’s two foremost authorities on humanitarian assistance? Ain’t happening, Jew.

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  • From Michael Ejercito@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 10 04:23:23 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc, alt.politics

    186282vewq.BZ943 wrote:
    Why would you want anyone giving aid to
    your enemies ?
    How much aid was given to Germany and Japan during the first half of
    the 1940's?


    Michael

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  • From David Hartung@21:1/5 to Michael Ejercito on Thu Oct 10 08:36:15 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc, alt.politics

    On 10/10/2024 4:23 AM, Michael Ejercito wrote:
    186282vewq.BZ943 wrote:
    Why would you want anyone giving aid to
    your enemies ?
       How much aid was given to Germany and Japan during the first half of the
    1940's?

    Shut the fuck up, you stupid greasy beaner.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to David Hartung on Thu Oct 10 18:08:30 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc, alt.politics

    David Hartung wrote this post; take it under advisement:

    On 10/10/2024 4:23 AM, Michael Ejercito wrote:
    186282vewq.BZ943 wrote:
    Why would you want anyone giving aid to
    your enemies ?
       How much aid was given to Germany and Japan during the first half of the
    1940's?

    Shut the fuck up, you stupid greasy beaner.

    I'm sure your insult really cuts to the quick on Usenet. :-D

    --
    A man arrived home early to find his wife in the arms of his best friend,
    who swore how much they were in love. To quiet the enraged husband, the
    lover suggested, "Friends shouldn't fight, let's play gin rummy. If I win,
    you get a divorce so I can marry her. If you win, I promise never to see
    her again. Okay?"

    "Alright," agreed the husband. "But how about a quarter a point
    on the side to make it interesting?"

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Thu Oct 10 16:57:48 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc, alt.politics

    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    I'm sure your insult really cuts to the quick


    Why are you prosecution exempt so far Rudey?

    Let's all change that:


    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
    socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!border-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!border-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.netnews.com!netnews.com!s1-4.netnews.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.
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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

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    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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  • From David Hartung@21:1/5 to Michael Ejercito on Fri Oct 11 08:44:58 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc, alt.politics

    On 10/11/2024 8:27 AM, Michael Ejercito wrote:
    David Hartung wrote:
    On 10/10/2024 4:23 AM, Michael Ejercito wrote:
    186282vewq.BZ943 wrote:
    Why would you want anyone giving aid to
    your enemies ?
        How much aid was given to Germany and Japan during the first half of the
    1940's?

    Shut the fuck up, you stupid greasy beaner.
        You sure like calling people greasers!
    I call you a stupid greasy beaner because that's what you are.

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  • From Michael Ejercito@21:1/5 to David Hartung on Fri Oct 11 08:27:17 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc, alt.politics

    David Hartung wrote:
    On 10/10/2024 4:23 AM, Michael Ejercito wrote:
    186282vewq.BZ943 wrote:
    Why would you want anyone giving aid to
    your enemies ?
        How much aid was given to Germany and Japan during the first half
    of the 1940's?

    Shut the fuck up, you stupid greasy beaner.
    You sure like calling people greasers!


    Michael

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