• The Ethics Conflict In The Daniel Penny Case

    From Michael Ejercito@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 7 09:37:04 2024
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, talk.politics.misc, soc.culture.usa

    https://ethicsalarms.com/2024/12/07/the-ethics-conflict-in-the-daniel-penny-case/#more-135430


    The Ethics Conflict In The Daniel Penny Case
    December 7, 2024 / Jack Marshall


    With yesterday’s developments in the Daniel Penny trial, it is
    appropriate to ponder the various ethical issues involved.

    Below I have reposted the 2023 essay titled “Ethics Quote Of The Month: Heather MacDonald.” Its main thrust was to highlight MacDonald’s
    excellent article about how his arrest and prosecution reflected another outbreak of the “Black Lives Matter” bias of presumed racism. Penny is white, the violent lunatic who was menacing NYC subway riders when Penny stepped in and, the prosecution claimed, murdered him in an act of
    vigilantism, was black. It is highly doubtful that any prosecution would
    have followed the incident if the races were reversed. For example, the
    colors were reversed in the Ashli Babbitt shooting by a Capitol cop on
    January 6, 2021, and the black officer was not only exonerated but given
    a promotion.

    Yesterday, Judge Maxwell Wiley dismissed the second-degree manslaughter
    charge against ex-Marine Penny in the death of Jordan Neely at the
    request of prosecutors after jurors said they were deadlocked on the
    primary charge. He then told the jury to continue deliberating on the
    lesser charge of whether Penny committed criminally negligent homicide
    when he put the black, disturbed, homeless man in a choke-hold resulting
    in his death. The dismissed second-degree manslaughter charge carried a
    maximum 15-year sentence; criminally negligent homicide carries a
    four-year maximum sentence. While this was happening, Rep. Eli Crane
    (R-Ariz.) told reporters that he was planning to introduce a resolution
    to award Daniel Penny the Congressional Gold Medal. “Daniel Penny’s
    actions exemplify what it means to stand against the grain to do right
    in a world that rewards moral cowardice,” said Crane, a retired Navy
    SEAL. “Our system of ‘justice’ is fiercely corrupt, allowing
    degenerates to steamroll our laws and our sense of security, while
    punishing the righteous. Mr. Penny bravely stood in the gap to defy this corrupt system and protect his fellow Americans. I’m immensely proud to introduce this resolution to award him with the Congressional Gold Medal
    to recognize his heroism.”

    You can hardly highlight an ethics conflict in brighter colors than
    that. Penny could be found guilty of a crime, and at the same time be officially recognized as a hero. An ethics conflict is when two equally
    valid ethical principles oppose each other and dictate a different
    result. That’s the situation here, and the answer to the starting point
    for ethical analysis, “What’s going on here?“

    The racially biased motivation for charging Penny may be another example
    of authorities doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. If you
    listen to Fox News regarding the trial, you will hear laments that the prosecution sends the wrong message to Americans. One commentator cited
    the 60-year-old Kitty Genovese incident, which Ethics Alarms has
    frequently referenced. A woman was murdered as many residents of a
    nearby apartment complex heard her screams, but none of them called the
    police or sought to intervene. The prosecution of Penny validates their non-action, the commentator said. It encourages passive citizenship and
    rejects the duty to rescue.

    No, that’s an analogy too far: the man threatening passengers on the
    subway was right in front of Penny; the people who ignored Genovese’s
    screams only had to pick up a phone. Nobody held them to blame for not
    running out to rescue the woman and fight off her attacker. They didn’t perform the minimum acts of good citizenship required in such a
    situation. Penny’s trial raises the legitimate question of when maximum intervention is justified, and what the consequences should be if
    something goes wrong.

    Does society want to encourage and reward vigilantes? The “Death Wish” movies explored that issue, albeit at an infantile level. At very least, shouldn’t part of the message sent to citizens be that if you choose to intervene in a situation that would normally be handled by law
    enforcement, you had better be careful, prudent and effective or else
    you will be accountable for what goes wrong as a result of your
    initiative? After all, isn’t it certain that a police officer whose choke-hold killed Neely under the same circumstances would probably be
    tried, or at very least sued for damages (as Penny will be, if he is
    ultimately acquitted)? Indeed, based on the George Floyd fiasco, Neely’s death at the hands of an over-zealous cop might have sparked a new round
    of mostly peaceful protests and Neely’s elevation to martyr status.

    As a society and one that encourages courage, compassion, and civic involvement, we should encourage citizens to intervene and “fix the problem” if they are in a position to do so and have the skills and
    judgment to do it effectively. Yet a society that encourages vigilantes
    is courting chaos and the collapse of the rule of law. I absolutely
    regard Penny as a hero, but even heroes must be accountable for their
    actions. What is the most ethical message to send society about citizen rescuers?

    I don’t think it is as easy a question as Penny’s supporters claim.

    Now here’s the article from past year:

    ***
    “When government abdicates its responsibility to maintain public safety,
    a few citizens, for now at least, will step into the breach. Penny was
    one of them. He restrained Neely not out of racism or malice but to
    protect his fellow passengers. He was showing classically male virtues: chivalry, courage and initiative. Male heroism threatens the entitlement
    state by providing an example of self-reliance apart from the
    professional helper class. And for that reason, he must be taken down.” —Heather Mac Donald, in her scorching essay, “Daniel Penny is a
    scapegoat for a failed system”

    That paragraph continues,

    A homicide charge is the most efficient way to discourage such
    initiative in the future. Stigma is another. The mainstream media has characterized the millions of dollars in donations that have poured into
    Daniel Penny’s legal defense fund as the mark of ignorant bigots who
    support militaristic white vigilantes.

    There is no way law enforcement can or should avoid at least exploring a manslaughter charge when an unarmed citizen is killed after a good
    Samaritan intervenes in a situation that he or she sees as potentially dangerous. Nevertheless, what appears to be the planned vilification of ex-Marine Daniel Penny by Democrats and the news media to put desperately-needed wind back in the metaphorical sails of Black Lives
    Matter and to goose racial division as the 2024 elections approach
    graphically illustrates just how unethical and ruthless the 21st Century American Left has become. (I know, I know, we don’t need any more evidence…). Mac Donald’s essay is superb, as many of hers often are. Do read it all, and them make your Facebook friends’ heads explode by
    sharing it.

    Here are some other juicy and spot-on excerpts:


    “Neely has been turned into a symbol of a racist system of law
    enforcement and of civilian values that exaggerate the threat of
    mentally ill vagrants to keep minorities down. Three weeks after Neely’s death, on May 21, another homeless man in New York City slammed a
    woman’s head into a subway car, likely paralyzing her for life, if she
    even survives. Neely’s champions have been silent about this latest
    subway assault.”

    I didn’t know about that attack, because apparently the mainstream media didn’t think it was important….or at least important enough to risk undercutting their allies’ narrative.

    Jordan Neely was a standard product of New York’s homelessness empire. A thirty-year-old schizophrenic drug addict, Neely…[d]espite his
    predilection for assaulting the elderly, he had been repeatedly allowed
    to skip out of treatment and jail. In 2019, Neely punched Filemon
    Castillo Baltazar in the head as the sixty-five-year-old waited for a
    subway in Greenwich Village. In June 2021, he walloped Anne Mitcheltree
    in the head inside a deli in the East Village; she was in her late
    sixties. In November 2021, Neely broke the nose and fractured the eye
    socket of a sixty-seven-year-old woman as she exited a subway on the
    Lower East Side….

    None of these attacks landed Neely in long-term mental health confinement…

    Again, the scourge of Democrat-run cities deliberately allowing
    criminals and threats to law-abiding citizens escape consequences of
    their actions…

    …while vagrants have a right to shelter, they have no obligation to use
    it. They are free to continue colonizing public and private spaces if
    they prefer. Taxpayers, meanwhile, have no choice in whether they pay
    for the scorned shelter; it must always be available to the finicky
    homeless, whether it is accepted or not. Conferring such choice on
    street colonizers guarantees that the street population will remain “unhoused,” since the vast majority of that population prefers the
    street lifestyle of uninhibited drug use and bounteous handouts to even
    the most nonjudgmental, anything-goes shelter. And, most critically,
    that unhoused population provides lifetime employment for government bureaucrats and private social service providers.

    So add the city to Neely’s family and warped woke priorities as
    responsible parties for his death.

    New York’s medical examiner ruled that Neely died from compression of
    the neck. But because Neely’s autopsy report has not been released, it
    is impossible to know whether drug intoxication, exacerbating stress on
    the heart, or other complicating factors may have contributed to Neely’s death.

    Déjà vu, anybody?

    [A]s soon as the video became public, a glad cry must have gone out at
    the headquarters of Race-Baiting, Inc.: Penny was white, and Neely was
    black! Therefore, white supremacy killed Neely, just as it has allegedly
    killed so many other black homicide victims….A New York state senator
    called Neely’s death a “lynching.” Yusef Salaam, a New York City Council candidate, announced at Neely’s funeral that the public had “witnessed
    the lynching, a lynching, a lynching in the public square, a lynching of
    a Black man who was never given a chance by the system that was designed
    to keep him oppressed.” … The fact that Penny was not immediately
    arrested and indicted showed the “systemic racism that robs us of our
    basic humanity in life and death,” according to the speaker of the New
    York City Council. New York Mayor Eric Adams echoed Barack Obama’s
    statement that if Obama had had a son, that son would have looked like
    Trayvon Martin (the Florida teenager fatally shot by George Zimmerman in
    2012). Adams noted that his son was also named Jordan and that Neely was “black like me,” facts of dubious relevance to the case. “No family should have to suffer a loss like this,” Adams added. “And too many
    black and brown families bear the brunt of a system long overdue for reform.

    …because Barack Obama unforgivable linking of Trayvon Martin to his own family has worked out so well for American race relations…

    Penny’s critics were certain that Neely posed no threat. “It became very clear that he was not going to cause harm to these other people,” New
    York Governor Kathy Hochul said. How Hochul had gained such
    psychological expertise from the safety of her chauffeured SUV was
    unclear. Neely was just another subway “passenger.” “Passengers are not supposed to die on the floor of our subways,” Neely’s family said,
    speaking through their lawyers. …Saying that subway passengers are not supposed to die is like saying that pedestrians are not supposed to die crossing the street, after one of them has run into oncoming traffic in
    the dark. Context is all.”

    The NYC mayor, the state’s governor…Ethics Alarms hereby issues a travel advisory for sane and ethical people considering travel to New York…

    “The most astonishing aspect of the left’s narrative is not the tired racism conceit. The most astonishing claim is that it was Penny who
    lacked compassion and not the engineers of a status quo that left Neely
    free to decompose on the streets. We are supposed to believe that a
    system that has hundreds of contacts with a mentally ill vagrant and
    that allows him to continue his destructive lifestyle is caring.”

    There is a lot more: it is an important and a brilliantly argued piece.
    Whoever runs as a Republican in 2024 should practice explaining Mac
    Donald’s points on the campaign trail. My favorite passage, I think:

    Contrary to the anti-white narrative, white on black homicides are
    almost nonexistent. Blacks commit 87 percent of all non-lethal
    interracial violence between blacks and whites and whites and blacks;
    blacks are roughly thirty-five times more likely to commit violent
    offenses against whites than whites are to commit violent offenses
    against blacks.

    Existing while black is more dangerous than existing while white, but
    not because of white supremacy. In the first eighteen months of the
    pandemic, black juveniles were shot at 100 times the rate of white
    juveniles. (That shooting spike began only after the George Floyd race
    riots.) Had any of those black juvenile gun victims been shot or killed
    by whites, we would have heard about it. Instead, the rule for
    deciphering crime reporting is as follows: if the race of a crime
    suspect is not provided, the suspect is black. That rule applies when
    the victim is black and even more so when the victim is white.

    If a crime suspect is white, however, that fact will usually be reported
    and it will always be the lead in any story in the rare instance when
    the victim is black.

    Obviously, the author is a racist, and so am I, for praising and
    circulating her work.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Loose Cannon@21:1/5 to MEjercit@HotMail.com on Sat Dec 7 16:50:32 2024
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, talk.politics.misc, soc.culture.usa

    On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 09:37:04 -0800, Michael Ejercito
    <MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:

    https://ethicsalarms.com/2024/12/07/the-ethics-conflict-in-the-daniel-penny-case/#more-135430


    The Ethics Conflict In The Daniel Penny Case
    December 7, 2024 / Jack Marshall


    With yesterdays developments in the Daniel Penny trial, it is
    appropriate to ponder the various ethical issues involved.

    Below I have reposted the 2023 essay titled Ethics Quote Of The Month: >Heather MacDonald. Its main thrust was to highlight MacDonalds
    excellent article about how his arrest and prosecution reflected another >outbreak of the Black Lives Matter bias of presumed racism. Penny is
    white, the violent lunatic who was menacing NYC subway riders when Penny >stepped in and, the prosecution claimed, murdered him in an act of >vigilantism, was black. It is highly doubtful that any prosecution would
    have followed the incident if the races were reversed. For example, the >colors were reversed in the Ashli Babbitt shooting by a Capitol cop on >January 6, 2021, and the black officer was not only exonerated but given
    a promotion.

    Yesterday, Judge Maxwell Wiley dismissed the second-degree manslaughter >charge against ex-Marine Penny in the death of Jordan Neely at the
    request of prosecutors after jurors said they were deadlocked on the
    primary charge. He then told the jury to continue deliberating on the
    lesser charge of whether Penny committed criminally negligent homicide
    when he put the black, disturbed, homeless man in a choke-hold resulting
    in his death. The dismissed second-degree manslaughter charge carried a >maximum 15-year sentence; criminally negligent homicide carries a
    four-year maximum sentence. While this was happening, Rep. Eli Crane >(R-Ariz.) told reporters that he was planning to introduce a resolution
    to award Daniel Penny the Congressional Gold Medal. Daniel Pennys
    actions exemplify what it means to stand against the grain to do right
    in a world that rewards moral cowardice, said Crane, a retired Navy
    SEAL. Our system of justice is fiercely corrupt, allowing
    degenerates to steamroll our laws and our sense of security, while
    punishing the righteous. Mr. Penny bravely stood in the gap to defy this >corrupt system and protect his fellow Americans. Im immensely proud to >introduce this resolution to award him with the Congressional Gold Medal
    to recognize his heroism.

    You can hardly highlight an ethics conflict in brighter colors than
    that. Penny could be found guilty of a crime, and at the same time be >officially recognized as a hero. An ethics conflict is when two equally
    valid ethical principles oppose each other and dictate a different
    result. Thats the situation here, and the answer to the starting point
    for ethical analysis, Whats going on here?

    The racially biased motivation for charging Penny may be another example
    of authorities doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. If you
    listen to Fox News regarding the trial, you will hear laments that the >prosecution sends the wrong message to Americans. One commentator cited
    the 60-year-old Kitty Genovese incident, which Ethics Alarms has
    frequently referenced. A woman was murdered as many residents of a
    nearby apartment complex heard her screams, but none of them called the >police or sought to intervene. The prosecution of Penny validates their >non-action, the commentator said. It encourages passive citizenship and >rejects the duty to rescue.

    No, thats an analogy too far: the man threatening passengers on the
    subway was right in front of Penny; the people who ignored Genoveses
    screams only had to pick up a phone. Nobody held them to blame for not >running out to rescue the woman and fight off her attacker. They didnt >perform the minimum acts of good citizenship required in such a
    situation. Pennys trial raises the legitimate question of when maximum >intervention is justified, and what the consequences should be if
    something goes wrong.

    Does society want to encourage and reward vigilantes? The Death Wish
    movies explored that issue, albeit at an infantile level. At very least, >shouldnt part of the message sent to citizens be that if you choose to >intervene in a situation that would normally be handled by law
    enforcement, you had better be careful, prudent and effective or else
    you will be accountable for what goes wrong as a result of your
    initiative? After all, isnt it certain that a police officer whose >choke-hold killed Neely under the same circumstances would probably be
    tried, or at very least sued for damages (as Penny will be, if he is >ultimately acquitted)? Indeed, based on the George Floyd fiasco, Neelys >death at the hands of an over-zealous cop might have sparked a new round
    of mostly peaceful protests and Neelys elevation to martyr status.

    As a society and one that encourages courage, compassion, and civic >involvement, we should encourage citizens to intervene and fix the
    problem if they are in a position to do so and have the skills and
    judgment to do it effectively. Yet a society that encourages vigilantes
    is courting chaos and the collapse of the rule of law. I absolutely
    regard Penny as a hero, but even heroes must be accountable for their >actions. What is the most ethical message to send society about citizen >rescuers?

    I dont think it is as easy a question as Pennys supporters claim.

    Now heres the article from past year:

    ***
    When government abdicates its responsibility to maintain public safety,
    a few citizens, for now at least, will step into the breach. Penny was
    one of them. He restrained Neely not out of racism or malice but to
    protect his fellow passengers. He was showing classically male virtues: >chivalry, courage and initiative. Male heroism threatens the entitlement >state by providing an example of self-reliance apart from the
    professional helper class. And for that reason, he must be taken down. >Heather Mac Donald, in her scorching essay, Daniel Penny is a
    scapegoat for a failed system

    That paragraph continues,

    A homicide charge is the most efficient way to discourage such
    initiative in the future. Stigma is another. The mainstream media has >characterized the millions of dollars in donations that have poured into >Daniel Pennys legal defense fund as the mark of ignorant bigots who
    support militaristic white vigilantes.

    There is no way law enforcement can or should avoid at least exploring a >manslaughter charge when an unarmed citizen is killed after a good
    Samaritan intervenes in a situation that he or she sees as potentially >dangerous. Nevertheless, what appears to be the planned vilification of >ex-Marine Daniel Penny by Democrats and the news media to put >desperately-needed wind back in the metaphorical sails of Black Lives
    Matter and to goose racial division as the 2024 elections approach >graphically illustrates just how unethical and ruthless the 21st Century >American Left has become. (I know, I know, we dont need any more
    evidence). Mac Donalds essay is superb, as many of hers often are. Do
    read it all, and them make your Facebook friends heads explode by
    sharing it.

    Here are some other juicy and spot-on excerpts:


    Neely has been turned into a symbol of a racist system of law
    enforcement and of civilian values that exaggerate the threat of
    mentally ill vagrants to keep minorities down. Three weeks after Neelys >death, on May 21, another homeless man in New York City slammed a
    womans head into a subway car, likely paralyzing her for life, if she
    even survives. Neelys champions have been silent about this latest
    subway assault.

    I didnt know about that attack, because apparently the mainstream media >didnt think it was important.or at least important enough to risk >undercutting their allies narrative.

    Jordan Neely was a standard product of New Yorks homelessness empire. A >thirty-year-old schizophrenic drug addict, Neely[d]espite his
    predilection for assaulting the elderly, he had been repeatedly allowed
    to skip out of treatment and jail. In 2019, Neely punched Filemon
    Castillo Baltazar in the head as the sixty-five-year-old waited for a
    subway in Greenwich Village. In June 2021, he walloped Anne Mitcheltree
    in the head inside a deli in the East Village; she was in her late
    sixties. In November 2021, Neely broke the nose and fractured the eye
    socket of a sixty-seven-year-old woman as she exited a subway on the
    Lower East Side.

    None of these attacks landed Neely in long-term mental health confinement

    Again, the scourge of Democrat-run cities deliberately allowing
    criminals and threats to law-abiding citizens escape consequences of
    their actions

    while vagrants have a right to shelter, they have no obligation to use
    it. They are free to continue colonizing public and private spaces if
    they prefer. Taxpayers, meanwhile, have no choice in whether they pay
    for the scorned shelter; it must always be available to the finicky
    homeless, whether it is accepted or not. Conferring such choice on
    street colonizers guarantees that the street population will remain >unhoused, since the vast majority of that population prefers the
    street lifestyle of uninhibited drug use and bounteous handouts to even
    the most nonjudgmental, anything-goes shelter. And, most critically,
    that unhoused population provides lifetime employment for government >bureaucrats and private social service providers.

    So add the city to Neelys family and warped woke priorities as
    responsible parties for his death.

    New Yorks medical examiner ruled that Neely died from compression of
    the neck. But because Neelys autopsy report has not been released, it
    is impossible to know whether drug intoxication, exacerbating stress on
    the heart, or other complicating factors may have contributed to Neelys >death.

    Dj vu, anybody?

    [A]s soon as the video became public, a glad cry must have gone out at
    the headquarters of Race-Baiting, Inc.: Penny was white, and Neely was
    black! Therefore, white supremacy killed Neely, just as it has allegedly >killed so many other black homicide victims.A New York state senator
    called Neelys death a lynching. Yusef Salaam, a New York City Council >candidate, announced at Neelys funeral that the public had witnessed
    the lynching, a lynching, a lynching in the public square, a lynching of
    a Black man who was never given a chance by the system that was designed
    to keep him oppressed. The fact that Penny was not immediately
    arrested and indicted showed the systemic racism that robs us of our
    basic humanity in life and death, according to the speaker of the New
    York City Council. New York Mayor Eric Adams echoed Barack Obamas
    statement that if Obama had had a son, that son would have looked like >Trayvon Martin (the Florida teenager fatally shot by George Zimmerman in >2012). Adams noted that his son was also named Jordan and that Neely was >black like me, facts of dubious relevance to the case. No family
    should have to suffer a loss like this, Adams added. And too many
    black and brown families bear the brunt of a system long overdue for reform.

    because Barack Obama unforgivable linking of Trayvon Martin to his own >family has worked out so well for American race relations

    Pennys critics were certain that Neely posed no threat. It became very >clear that he was not going to cause harm to these other people, New
    York Governor Kathy Hochul said. How Hochul had gained such
    psychological expertise from the safety of her chauffeured SUV was
    unclear. Neely was just another subway passenger. Passengers are not >supposed to die on the floor of our subways, Neelys family said,
    speaking through their lawyers. Saying that subway passengers are not >supposed to die is like saying that pedestrians are not supposed to die >crossing the street, after one of them has run into oncoming traffic in
    the dark. Context is all.

    The NYC mayor, the states governorEthics Alarms hereby issues a travel >advisory for sane and ethical people considering travel to New York

    The most astonishing aspect of the lefts narrative is not the tired
    racism conceit. The most astonishing claim is that it was Penny who
    lacked compassion and not the engineers of a status quo that left Neely
    free to decompose on the streets. We are supposed to believe that a
    system that has hundreds of contacts with a mentally ill vagrant and
    that allows him to continue his destructive lifestyle is caring.

    There is a lot more: it is an important and a brilliantly argued piece. >Whoever runs as a Republican in 2024 should practice explaining Mac
    Donalds points on the campaign trail. My favorite passage, I think:

    Contrary to the anti-white narrative, white on black homicides are
    almost nonexistent. Blacks commit 87 percent of all non-lethal
    interracial violence between blacks and whites and whites and blacks;
    blacks are roughly thirty-five times more likely to commit violent
    offenses against whites than whites are to commit violent offenses
    against blacks.

    Existing while black is more dangerous than existing while white, but
    not because of white supremacy. In the first eighteen months of the
    pandemic, black juveniles were shot at 100 times the rate of white
    juveniles. (That shooting spike began only after the George Floyd race >riots.) Had any of those black juvenile gun victims been shot or killed
    by whites, we would have heard about it. Instead, the rule for
    deciphering crime reporting is as follows: if the race of a crime
    suspect is not provided, the suspect is black. That rule applies when
    the victim is black and even more so when the victim is white.

    If a crime suspect is white, however, that fact will usually be reported
    and it will always be the lead in any story in the rare instance when
    the victim is black.

    Obviously, the author is a racist, and so am I, for praising and
    circulating her work.


    Daniel Penny did what every true American should do; choke the breath
    out of trouble making coons. If that were to happen, you'd have a few
    less niggers and allot less crime. Not all these apes are criminals,
    but there are far too many that are. Gooks, jews, niggers, beaners all
    have a criminal element that we don't want here in America. It's
    easier to get rid of the whole lot of you than to try to sort out
    which are worthy to stay. Trump will be here soon enough to get rid of
    all you slime. We'll have to keep the niggers; they didn't sneak in
    like you gooks, jews, and spics. I say "Good riddance! The sooner, the
    better!"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Michael Ejercito@21:1/5 to Loose Cannon on Sun Dec 8 08:02:35 2024
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, talk.politics.misc, soc.culture.usa

    Loose Cannon wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 09:37:04 -0800, Michael Ejercito
    <MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:

    https://ethicsalarms.com/2024/12/07/the-ethics-conflict-in-the-daniel-penny-case/#more-135430


    The Ethics Conflict In The Daniel Penny Case
    December 7, 2024 / Jack Marshall


    With yesterday’s developments in the Daniel Penny trial, it is
    appropriate to ponder the various ethical issues involved.

    Below I have reposted the 2023 essay titled “Ethics Quote Of The Month:
    Heather MacDonald.” Its main thrust was to highlight MacDonald’s
    excellent article about how his arrest and prosecution reflected another
    outbreak of the “Black Lives Matter” bias of presumed racism. Penny is >> white, the violent lunatic who was menacing NYC subway riders when Penny
    stepped in and, the prosecution claimed, murdered him in an act of
    vigilantism, was black. It is highly doubtful that any prosecution would
    have followed the incident if the races were reversed. For example, the
    colors were reversed in the Ashli Babbitt shooting by a Capitol cop on
    January 6, 2021, and the black officer was not only exonerated but given
    a promotion.

    Yesterday, Judge Maxwell Wiley dismissed the second-degree manslaughter
    charge against ex-Marine Penny in the death of Jordan Neely at the
    request of prosecutors after jurors said they were deadlocked on the
    primary charge. He then told the jury to continue deliberating on the
    lesser charge of whether Penny committed criminally negligent homicide
    when he put the black, disturbed, homeless man in a choke-hold resulting
    in his death. The dismissed second-degree manslaughter charge carried a
    maximum 15-year sentence; criminally negligent homicide carries a
    four-year maximum sentence. While this was happening, Rep. Eli Crane
    (R-Ariz.) told reporters that he was planning to introduce a resolution
    to award Daniel Penny the Congressional Gold Medal. “Daniel Penny’s
    actions exemplify what it means to stand against the grain to do right
    in a world that rewards moral cowardice,” said Crane, a retired Navy
    SEAL. “Our system of ‘justice’ is fiercely corrupt, allowing
    degenerates to steamroll our laws and our sense of security, while
    punishing the righteous. Mr. Penny bravely stood in the gap to defy this
    corrupt system and protect his fellow Americans. I’m immensely proud to
    introduce this resolution to award him with the Congressional Gold Medal
    to recognize his heroism.”

    You can hardly highlight an ethics conflict in brighter colors than
    that. Penny could be found guilty of a crime, and at the same time be
    officially recognized as a hero. An ethics conflict is when two equally
    valid ethical principles oppose each other and dictate a different
    result. That’s the situation here, and the answer to the starting point
    for ethical analysis, “What’s going on here?“

    The racially biased motivation for charging Penny may be another example
    of authorities doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. If you
    listen to Fox News regarding the trial, you will hear laments that the
    prosecution sends the wrong message to Americans. One commentator cited
    the 60-year-old Kitty Genovese incident, which Ethics Alarms has
    frequently referenced. A woman was murdered as many residents of a
    nearby apartment complex heard her screams, but none of them called the
    police or sought to intervene. The prosecution of Penny validates their
    non-action, the commentator said. It encourages passive citizenship and
    rejects the duty to rescue.

    No, that’s an analogy too far: the man threatening passengers on the
    subway was right in front of Penny; the people who ignored Genovese’s
    screams only had to pick up a phone. Nobody held them to blame for not
    running out to rescue the woman and fight off her attacker. They didn’t
    perform the minimum acts of good citizenship required in such a
    situation. Penny’s trial raises the legitimate question of when maximum
    intervention is justified, and what the consequences should be if
    something goes wrong.

    Does society want to encourage and reward vigilantes? The “Death Wish” >> movies explored that issue, albeit at an infantile level. At very least,
    shouldn’t part of the message sent to citizens be that if you choose to
    intervene in a situation that would normally be handled by law
    enforcement, you had better be careful, prudent and effective or else
    you will be accountable for what goes wrong as a result of your
    initiative? After all, isn’t it certain that a police officer whose
    choke-hold killed Neely under the same circumstances would probably be
    tried, or at very least sued for damages (as Penny will be, if he is
    ultimately acquitted)? Indeed, based on the George Floyd fiasco, Neely’s >> death at the hands of an over-zealous cop might have sparked a new round
    of mostly peaceful protests and Neely’s elevation to martyr status.

    As a society and one that encourages courage, compassion, and civic
    involvement, we should encourage citizens to intervene and “fix the
    problem” if they are in a position to do so and have the skills and
    judgment to do it effectively. Yet a society that encourages vigilantes
    is courting chaos and the collapse of the rule of law. I absolutely
    regard Penny as a hero, but even heroes must be accountable for their
    actions. What is the most ethical message to send society about citizen
    rescuers?

    I don’t think it is as easy a question as Penny’s supporters claim.

    Now here’s the article from past year:

    ***
    “When government abdicates its responsibility to maintain public safety, >> a few citizens, for now at least, will step into the breach. Penny was
    one of them. He restrained Neely not out of racism or malice but to
    protect his fellow passengers. He was showing classically male virtues:
    chivalry, courage and initiative. Male heroism threatens the entitlement
    state by providing an example of self-reliance apart from the
    professional helper class. And for that reason, he must be taken down.”
    —Heather Mac Donald, in her scorching essay, “Daniel Penny is a
    scapegoat for a failed system”

    That paragraph continues,

    A homicide charge is the most efficient way to discourage such
    initiative in the future. Stigma is another. The mainstream media has
    characterized the millions of dollars in donations that have poured into
    Daniel Penny’s legal defense fund as the mark of ignorant bigots who
    support militaristic white vigilantes.

    There is no way law enforcement can or should avoid at least exploring a
    manslaughter charge when an unarmed citizen is killed after a good
    Samaritan intervenes in a situation that he or she sees as potentially
    dangerous. Nevertheless, what appears to be the planned vilification of
    ex-Marine Daniel Penny by Democrats and the news media to put
    desperately-needed wind back in the metaphorical sails of Black Lives
    Matter and to goose racial division as the 2024 elections approach
    graphically illustrates just how unethical and ruthless the 21st Century
    American Left has become. (I know, I know, we don’t need any more
    evidence…). Mac Donald’s essay is superb, as many of hers often are. Do >> read it all, and them make your Facebook friends’ heads explode by
    sharing it.

    Here are some other juicy and spot-on excerpts:


    “Neely has been turned into a symbol of a racist system of law
    enforcement and of civilian values that exaggerate the threat of
    mentally ill vagrants to keep minorities down. Three weeks after Neely’s >> death, on May 21, another homeless man in New York City slammed a
    woman’s head into a subway car, likely paralyzing her for life, if she
    even survives. Neely’s champions have been silent about this latest
    subway assault.”

    I didn’t know about that attack, because apparently the mainstream media >> didn’t think it was important….or at least important enough to risk
    undercutting their allies’ narrative.

    Jordan Neely was a standard product of New York’s homelessness empire. A >> thirty-year-old schizophrenic drug addict, Neely…[d]espite his
    predilection for assaulting the elderly, he had been repeatedly allowed
    to skip out of treatment and jail. In 2019, Neely punched Filemon
    Castillo Baltazar in the head as the sixty-five-year-old waited for a
    subway in Greenwich Village. In June 2021, he walloped Anne Mitcheltree
    in the head inside a deli in the East Village; she was in her late
    sixties. In November 2021, Neely broke the nose and fractured the eye
    socket of a sixty-seven-year-old woman as she exited a subway on the
    Lower East Side….

    None of these attacks landed Neely in long-term mental health confinement… >>
    Again, the scourge of Democrat-run cities deliberately allowing
    criminals and threats to law-abiding citizens escape consequences of
    their actions…

    …while vagrants have a right to shelter, they have no obligation to use
    it. They are free to continue colonizing public and private spaces if
    they prefer. Taxpayers, meanwhile, have no choice in whether they pay
    for the scorned shelter; it must always be available to the finicky
    homeless, whether it is accepted or not. Conferring such choice on
    street colonizers guarantees that the street population will remain
    “unhoused,” since the vast majority of that population prefers the
    street lifestyle of uninhibited drug use and bounteous handouts to even
    the most nonjudgmental, anything-goes shelter. And, most critically,
    that unhoused population provides lifetime employment for government
    bureaucrats and private social service providers.

    So add the city to Neely’s family and warped woke priorities as
    responsible parties for his death.

    New York’s medical examiner ruled that Neely died from compression of
    the neck. But because Neely’s autopsy report has not been released, it
    is impossible to know whether drug intoxication, exacerbating stress on
    the heart, or other complicating factors may have contributed to Neely’s >> death.

    Déjà vu, anybody?

    [A]s soon as the video became public, a glad cry must have gone out at
    the headquarters of Race-Baiting, Inc.: Penny was white, and Neely was
    black! Therefore, white supremacy killed Neely, just as it has allegedly
    killed so many other black homicide victims….A New York state senator
    called Neely’s death a “lynching.” Yusef Salaam, a New York City Council
    candidate, announced at Neely’s funeral that the public had “witnessed >> the lynching, a lynching, a lynching in the public square, a lynching of
    a Black man who was never given a chance by the system that was designed
    to keep him oppressed.” … The fact that Penny was not immediately
    arrested and indicted showed the “systemic racism that robs us of our
    basic humanity in life and death,” according to the speaker of the New
    York City Council. New York Mayor Eric Adams echoed Barack Obama’s
    statement that if Obama had had a son, that son would have looked like
    Trayvon Martin (the Florida teenager fatally shot by George Zimmerman in
    2012). Adams noted that his son was also named Jordan and that Neely was
    “black like me,” facts of dubious relevance to the case. “No family
    should have to suffer a loss like this,” Adams added. “And too many
    black and brown families bear the brunt of a system long overdue for reform. >>
    …because Barack Obama unforgivable linking of Trayvon Martin to his own
    family has worked out so well for American race relations…

    Penny’s critics were certain that Neely posed no threat. “It became very >> clear that he was not going to cause harm to these other people,” New
    York Governor Kathy Hochul said. How Hochul had gained such
    psychological expertise from the safety of her chauffeured SUV was
    unclear. Neely was just another subway “passenger.” “Passengers are not
    supposed to die on the floor of our subways,” Neely’s family said,
    speaking through their lawyers. …Saying that subway passengers are not
    supposed to die is like saying that pedestrians are not supposed to die
    crossing the street, after one of them has run into oncoming traffic in
    the dark. Context is all.”

    The NYC mayor, the state’s governor…Ethics Alarms hereby issues a travel >> advisory for sane and ethical people considering travel to New York…

    “The most astonishing aspect of the left’s narrative is not the tired
    racism conceit. The most astonishing claim is that it was Penny who
    lacked compassion and not the engineers of a status quo that left Neely
    free to decompose on the streets. We are supposed to believe that a
    system that has hundreds of contacts with a mentally ill vagrant and
    that allows him to continue his destructive lifestyle is caring.”

    There is a lot more: it is an important and a brilliantly argued piece.
    Whoever runs as a Republican in 2024 should practice explaining Mac
    Donald’s points on the campaign trail. My favorite passage, I think:

    Contrary to the anti-white narrative, white on black homicides are
    almost nonexistent. Blacks commit 87 percent of all non-lethal
    interracial violence between blacks and whites and whites and blacks;
    blacks are roughly thirty-five times more likely to commit violent
    offenses against whites than whites are to commit violent offenses
    against blacks.

    Existing while black is more dangerous than existing while white, but
    not because of white supremacy. In the first eighteen months of the
    pandemic, black juveniles were shot at 100 times the rate of white
    juveniles. (That shooting spike began only after the George Floyd race
    riots.) Had any of those black juvenile gun victims been shot or killed
    by whites, we would have heard about it. Instead, the rule for
    deciphering crime reporting is as follows: if the race of a crime
    suspect is not provided, the suspect is black. That rule applies when
    the victim is black and even more so when the victim is white.

    If a crime suspect is white, however, that fact will usually be reported
    and it will always be the lead in any story in the rare instance when
    the victim is black.

    Obviously, the author is a racist, and so am I, for praising and
    circulating her work.


    Daniel Penny did what every true American should do; choke the breath
    out of trouble making coons. If that were to happen, you'd have a few
    less niggers and allot less crime. Not all these apes are criminals,
    but there are far too many that are. Gooks, jews, niggers, beaners all
    have a criminal element that we don't want here in America. It's
    easier to get rid of the whole lot of you than to try to sort out
    which are worthy to stay. Trump will be here soon enough to get rid of
    all you slime. We'll have to keep the niggers; they didn't sneak in
    like you gooks, jews, and spics. I say "Good riddance! The sooner, the better!"

    You sure like to call people apes and gooks and accuse them of
    illegally sneaking into my country, the United States of America!

    For over a quarter of a century, I have observed your fellow
    dreckvolk dominated and humiliated by those whom you would call apes!


    Michael

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Loose Cannon@21:1/5 to MEjercit@HotMail.com on Sun Dec 8 12:02:06 2024
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, talk.politics.misc, soc.culture.usa

    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 08:02:35 -0800, Michael Ejercito
    <MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:

    Loose Cannon wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 09:37:04 -0800, Michael Ejercito
    <MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:

    https://ethicsalarms.com/2024/12/07/the-ethics-conflict-in-the-daniel-penny-case/#more-135430


    The Ethics Conflict In The Daniel Penny Case
    December 7, 2024 / Jack Marshall


    With yesterdays developments in the Daniel Penny trial, it is
    appropriate to ponder the various ethical issues involved.

    Below I have reposted the 2023 essay titled Ethics Quote Of The Month:
    Heather MacDonald. Its main thrust was to highlight MacDonalds
    excellent article about how his arrest and prosecution reflected another >>> outbreak of the Black Lives Matter bias of presumed racism. Penny is
    white, the violent lunatic who was menacing NYC subway riders when Penny >>> stepped in and, the prosecution claimed, murdered him in an act of
    vigilantism, was black. It is highly doubtful that any prosecution would >>> have followed the incident if the races were reversed. For example, the
    colors were reversed in the Ashli Babbitt shooting by a Capitol cop on
    January 6, 2021, and the black officer was not only exonerated but given >>> a promotion.

    Yesterday, Judge Maxwell Wiley dismissed the second-degree manslaughter
    charge against ex-Marine Penny in the death of Jordan Neely at the
    request of prosecutors after jurors said they were deadlocked on the
    primary charge. He then told the jury to continue deliberating on the
    lesser charge of whether Penny committed criminally negligent homicide
    when he put the black, disturbed, homeless man in a choke-hold resulting >>> in his death. The dismissed second-degree manslaughter charge carried a
    maximum 15-year sentence; criminally negligent homicide carries a
    four-year maximum sentence. While this was happening, Rep. Eli Crane
    (R-Ariz.) told reporters that he was planning to introduce a resolution
    to award Daniel Penny the Congressional Gold Medal. Daniel Pennys
    actions exemplify what it means to stand against the grain to do right
    in a world that rewards moral cowardice, said Crane, a retired Navy
    SEAL. Our system of justice is fiercely corrupt, allowing
    degenerates to steamroll our laws and our sense of security, while
    punishing the righteous. Mr. Penny bravely stood in the gap to defy this >>> corrupt system and protect his fellow Americans. Im immensely proud to
    introduce this resolution to award him with the Congressional Gold Medal >>> to recognize his heroism.

    You can hardly highlight an ethics conflict in brighter colors than
    that. Penny could be found guilty of a crime, and at the same time be
    officially recognized as a hero. An ethics conflict is when two equally
    valid ethical principles oppose each other and dictate a different
    result. Thats the situation here, and the answer to the starting point
    for ethical analysis, Whats going on here?

    The racially biased motivation for charging Penny may be another example >>> of authorities doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. If you
    listen to Fox News regarding the trial, you will hear laments that the
    prosecution sends the wrong message to Americans. One commentator cited
    the 60-year-old Kitty Genovese incident, which Ethics Alarms has
    frequently referenced. A woman was murdered as many residents of a
    nearby apartment complex heard her screams, but none of them called the
    police or sought to intervene. The prosecution of Penny validates their
    non-action, the commentator said. It encourages passive citizenship and
    rejects the duty to rescue.

    No, thats an analogy too far: the man threatening passengers on the
    subway was right in front of Penny; the people who ignored Genoveses
    screams only had to pick up a phone. Nobody held them to blame for not
    running out to rescue the woman and fight off her attacker. They didnt
    perform the minimum acts of good citizenship required in such a
    situation. Pennys trial raises the legitimate question of when maximum
    intervention is justified, and what the consequences should be if
    something goes wrong.

    Does society want to encourage and reward vigilantes? The Death Wish
    movies explored that issue, albeit at an infantile level. At very least, >>> shouldnt part of the message sent to citizens be that if you choose to
    intervene in a situation that would normally be handled by law
    enforcement, you had better be careful, prudent and effective or else
    you will be accountable for what goes wrong as a result of your
    initiative? After all, isnt it certain that a police officer whose
    choke-hold killed Neely under the same circumstances would probably be
    tried, or at very least sued for damages (as Penny will be, if he is
    ultimately acquitted)? Indeed, based on the George Floyd fiasco, Neelys >>> death at the hands of an over-zealous cop might have sparked a new round >>> of mostly peaceful protests and Neelys elevation to martyr status.

    As a society and one that encourages courage, compassion, and civic
    involvement, we should encourage citizens to intervene and fix the
    problem if they are in a position to do so and have the skills and
    judgment to do it effectively. Yet a society that encourages vigilantes
    is courting chaos and the collapse of the rule of law. I absolutely
    regard Penny as a hero, but even heroes must be accountable for their
    actions. What is the most ethical message to send society about citizen
    rescuers?

    I dont think it is as easy a question as Pennys supporters claim.

    Now heres the article from past year:

    ***
    When government abdicates its responsibility to maintain public safety, >>> a few citizens, for now at least, will step into the breach. Penny was
    one of them. He restrained Neely not out of racism or malice but to
    protect his fellow passengers. He was showing classically male virtues:
    chivalry, courage and initiative. Male heroism threatens the entitlement >>> state by providing an example of self-reliance apart from the
    professional helper class. And for that reason, he must be taken down.
    Heather Mac Donald, in her scorching essay, Daniel Penny is a
    scapegoat for a failed system

    That paragraph continues,

    A homicide charge is the most efficient way to discourage such
    initiative in the future. Stigma is another. The mainstream media has
    characterized the millions of dollars in donations that have poured into >>> Daniel Pennys legal defense fund as the mark of ignorant bigots who
    support militaristic white vigilantes.

    There is no way law enforcement can or should avoid at least exploring a >>> manslaughter charge when an unarmed citizen is killed after a good
    Samaritan intervenes in a situation that he or she sees as potentially
    dangerous. Nevertheless, what appears to be the planned vilification of
    ex-Marine Daniel Penny by Democrats and the news media to put
    desperately-needed wind back in the metaphorical sails of Black Lives
    Matter and to goose racial division as the 2024 elections approach
    graphically illustrates just how unethical and ruthless the 21st Century >>> American Left has become. (I know, I know, we dont need any more
    evidence). Mac Donalds essay is superb, as many of hers often are. Do
    read it all, and them make your Facebook friends heads explode by
    sharing it.

    Here are some other juicy and spot-on excerpts:


    Neely has been turned into a symbol of a racist system of law
    enforcement and of civilian values that exaggerate the threat of
    mentally ill vagrants to keep minorities down. Three weeks after Neelys >>> death, on May 21, another homeless man in New York City slammed a
    womans head into a subway car, likely paralyzing her for life, if she
    even survives. Neelys champions have been silent about this latest
    subway assault.

    I didnt know about that attack, because apparently the mainstream media >>> didnt think it was important.or at least important enough to risk
    undercutting their allies narrative.

    Jordan Neely was a standard product of New Yorks homelessness empire. A >>> thirty-year-old schizophrenic drug addict, Neely[d]espite his
    predilection for assaulting the elderly, he had been repeatedly allowed
    to skip out of treatment and jail. In 2019, Neely punched Filemon
    Castillo Baltazar in the head as the sixty-five-year-old waited for a
    subway in Greenwich Village. In June 2021, he walloped Anne Mitcheltree
    in the head inside a deli in the East Village; she was in her late
    sixties. In November 2021, Neely broke the nose and fractured the eye
    socket of a sixty-seven-year-old woman as she exited a subway on the
    Lower East Side.

    None of these attacks landed Neely in long-term mental health confinement >>>
    Again, the scourge of Democrat-run cities deliberately allowing
    criminals and threats to law-abiding citizens escape consequences of
    their actions

    while vagrants have a right to shelter, they have no obligation to use
    it. They are free to continue colonizing public and private spaces if
    they prefer. Taxpayers, meanwhile, have no choice in whether they pay
    for the scorned shelter; it must always be available to the finicky
    homeless, whether it is accepted or not. Conferring such choice on
    street colonizers guarantees that the street population will remain
    unhoused, since the vast majority of that population prefers the
    street lifestyle of uninhibited drug use and bounteous handouts to even
    the most nonjudgmental, anything-goes shelter. And, most critically,
    that unhoused population provides lifetime employment for government
    bureaucrats and private social service providers.

    So add the city to Neelys family and warped woke priorities as
    responsible parties for his death.

    New Yorks medical examiner ruled that Neely died from compression of
    the neck. But because Neelys autopsy report has not been released, it
    is impossible to know whether drug intoxication, exacerbating stress on
    the heart, or other complicating factors may have contributed to Neelys >>> death.

    Dj vu, anybody?

    [A]s soon as the video became public, a glad cry must have gone out at
    the headquarters of Race-Baiting, Inc.: Penny was white, and Neely was
    black! Therefore, white supremacy killed Neely, just as it has allegedly >>> killed so many other black homicide victims.A New York state senator
    called Neelys death a lynching. Yusef Salaam, a New York City Council >>> candidate, announced at Neelys funeral that the public had witnessed
    the lynching, a lynching, a lynching in the public square, a lynching of >>> a Black man who was never given a chance by the system that was designed >>> to keep him oppressed. The fact that Penny was not immediately
    arrested and indicted showed the systemic racism that robs us of our
    basic humanity in life and death, according to the speaker of the New
    York City Council. New York Mayor Eric Adams echoed Barack Obamas
    statement that if Obama had had a son, that son would have looked like
    Trayvon Martin (the Florida teenager fatally shot by George Zimmerman in >>> 2012). Adams noted that his son was also named Jordan and that Neely was >>> black like me, facts of dubious relevance to the case. No family
    should have to suffer a loss like this, Adams added. And too many
    black and brown families bear the brunt of a system long overdue for reform.

    because Barack Obama unforgivable linking of Trayvon Martin to his own
    family has worked out so well for American race relations

    Pennys critics were certain that Neely posed no threat. It became very >>> clear that he was not going to cause harm to these other people, New
    York Governor Kathy Hochul said. How Hochul had gained such
    psychological expertise from the safety of her chauffeured SUV was
    unclear. Neely was just another subway passenger. Passengers are not
    supposed to die on the floor of our subways, Neelys family said,
    speaking through their lawyers. Saying that subway passengers are not
    supposed to die is like saying that pedestrians are not supposed to die
    crossing the street, after one of them has run into oncoming traffic in
    the dark. Context is all.

    The NYC mayor, the states governorEthics Alarms hereby issues a travel >>> advisory for sane and ethical people considering travel to New York

    The most astonishing aspect of the lefts narrative is not the tired
    racism conceit. The most astonishing claim is that it was Penny who
    lacked compassion and not the engineers of a status quo that left Neely
    free to decompose on the streets. We are supposed to believe that a
    system that has hundreds of contacts with a mentally ill vagrant and
    that allows him to continue his destructive lifestyle is caring.

    There is a lot more: it is an important and a brilliantly argued piece.
    Whoever runs as a Republican in 2024 should practice explaining Mac
    Donalds points on the campaign trail. My favorite passage, I think:

    Contrary to the anti-white narrative, white on black homicides are
    almost nonexistent. Blacks commit 87 percent of all non-lethal
    interracial violence between blacks and whites and whites and blacks;
    blacks are roughly thirty-five times more likely to commit violent
    offenses against whites than whites are to commit violent offenses
    against blacks.

    Existing while black is more dangerous than existing while white, but
    not because of white supremacy. In the first eighteen months of the
    pandemic, black juveniles were shot at 100 times the rate of white
    juveniles. (That shooting spike began only after the George Floyd race
    riots.) Had any of those black juvenile gun victims been shot or killed
    by whites, we would have heard about it. Instead, the rule for
    deciphering crime reporting is as follows: if the race of a crime
    suspect is not provided, the suspect is black. That rule applies when
    the victim is black and even more so when the victim is white.

    If a crime suspect is white, however, that fact will usually be reported >>> and it will always be the lead in any story in the rare instance when
    the victim is black.

    Obviously, the author is a racist, and so am I, for praising and
    circulating her work.


    Daniel Penny did what every true American should do; choke the breath
    out of trouble making coons. If that were to happen, you'd have a few
    less niggers and allot less crime. Not all these apes are criminals,
    but there are far too many that are. Gooks, jews, niggers, beaners all
    have a criminal element that we don't want here in America. It's
    easier to get rid of the whole lot of you than to try to sort out
    which are worthy to stay. Trump will be here soon enough to get rid of
    all you slime. We'll have to keep the niggers; they didn't sneak in
    like you gooks, jews, and spics. I say "Good riddance! The sooner, the
    better!"

    You sure like to call people apes and gooks and accuse them of
    illegally sneaking into my country, the United States of America!

    I never accused the coons of sneaking in. They were brought here and
    now we're stuck with them. Sadly instead of being grateful we removed
    them from the food chain in Africa, they bitch and complain about
    everything. Gooks, with the few exceptions brought here to work as
    coolies, are not welcome in America. That includes you and the quack.



    For over a quarter of a century, I have observed your fellow
    dreckvolk dominated and humiliated by those whom you would call apes!


    Michael

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Coonologist@21:1/5 to Loose Cannon on Sun Dec 8 21:18:35 2024
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, talk.politics.misc, soc.culture.usa

    In <sqjbljd5dc6dq5k5vun5pbjd9i4p3ip07p@4ax.com> Loose Cannon wrote:

    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 08:02:35 -0800, Michael Ejercito
    <MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:

    Loose Cannon wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 09:37:04 -0800, Michael Ejercito
    <MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:

    https://ethicsalarms.com/2024/12/07/the-ethics-conflict-in-the-daniel-penny-case/#more-135430


    The Ethics Conflict In The Daniel Penny Case
    December 7, 2024 / Jack Marshall


    With yesterday’s developments in the Daniel Penny trial, it is
    appropriate to ponder the various ethical issues involved.

    Below I have reposted the 2023 essay titled “Ethics Quote Of The Month: >>>> Heather MacDonald.” Its main thrust was to highlight MacDonald’s
    excellent article about how his arrest and prosecution reflected another >>>> outbreak of the “Black Lives Matter” bias of presumed racism. Penny is >>>> white, the violent lunatic who was menacing NYC subway riders when Penny >>>> stepped in and, the prosecution claimed, murdered him in an act of
    vigilantism, was black. It is highly doubtful that any prosecution would >>>> have followed the incident if the races were reversed. For example, the >>>> colors were reversed in the Ashli Babbitt shooting by a Capitol cop on >>>> January 6, 2021, and the black officer was not only exonerated but given >>>> a promotion.

    Yesterday, Judge Maxwell Wiley dismissed the second-degree manslaughter >>>> charge against ex-Marine Penny in the death of Jordan Neely at the
    request of prosecutors after jurors said they were deadlocked on the
    primary charge. He then told the jury to continue deliberating on the >>>> lesser charge of whether Penny committed criminally negligent homicide >>>> when he put the black, disturbed, homeless man in a choke-hold resulting >>>> in his death. The dismissed second-degree manslaughter charge carried a >>>> maximum 15-year sentence; criminally negligent homicide carries a
    four-year maximum sentence. While this was happening, Rep. Eli Crane
    (R-Ariz.) told reporters that he was planning to introduce a resolution >>>> to award Daniel Penny the Congressional Gold Medal. “Daniel Penny’s >>>> actions exemplify what it means to stand against the grain to do right >>>> in a world that rewards moral cowardice,” said Crane, a retired Navy >>>> SEAL. “Our system of ‘justice’ is fiercely corrupt, allowing
    degenerates to steamroll our laws and our sense of security, while
    punishing the righteous. Mr. Penny bravely stood in the gap to defy this >>>> corrupt system and protect his fellow Americans. I’m immensely proud to >>>> introduce this resolution to award him with the Congressional Gold Medal >>>> to recognize his heroism.”

    You can hardly highlight an ethics conflict in brighter colors than
    that. Penny could be found guilty of a crime, and at the same time be
    officially recognized as a hero. An ethics conflict is when two equally >>>> valid ethical principles oppose each other and dictate a different
    result. That’s the situation here, and the answer to the starting point >>>> for ethical analysis, “What’s going on here?“

    The racially biased motivation for charging Penny may be another example >>>> of authorities doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. If you
    listen to Fox News regarding the trial, you will hear laments that the >>>> prosecution sends the wrong message to Americans. One commentator cited >>>> the 60-year-old Kitty Genovese incident, which Ethics Alarms has
    frequently referenced. A woman was murdered as many residents of a
    nearby apartment complex heard her screams, but none of them called the >>>> police or sought to intervene. The prosecution of Penny validates their >>>> non-action, the commentator said. It encourages passive citizenship and >>>> rejects the duty to rescue.

    No, that’s an analogy too far: the man threatening passengers on the >>>> subway was right in front of Penny; the people who ignored Genovese’s >>>> screams only had to pick up a phone. Nobody held them to blame for not >>>> running out to rescue the woman and fight off her attacker. They didn’t >>>> perform the minimum acts of good citizenship required in such a
    situation. Penny’s trial raises the legitimate question of when maximum >>>> intervention is justified, and what the consequences should be if
    something goes wrong.

    Does society want to encourage and reward vigilantes? The “Death Wish” >>>> movies explored that issue, albeit at an infantile level. At very least, >>>> shouldn’t part of the message sent to citizens be that if you choose to >>>> intervene in a situation that would normally be handled by law
    enforcement, you had better be careful, prudent and effective or else
    you will be accountable for what goes wrong as a result of your
    initiative? After all, isn’t it certain that a police officer whose
    choke-hold killed Neely under the same circumstances would probably be >>>> tried, or at very least sued for damages (as Penny will be, if he is
    ultimately acquitted)? Indeed, based on the George Floyd fiasco, Neely’s >>>> death at the hands of an over-zealous cop might have sparked a new round >>>> of mostly peaceful protests and Neely’s elevation to martyr status.

    As a society and one that encourages courage, compassion, and civic
    involvement, we should encourage citizens to intervene and “fix the
    problem” if they are in a position to do so and have the skills and
    judgment to do it effectively. Yet a society that encourages vigilantes >>>> is courting chaos and the collapse of the rule of law. I absolutely
    regard Penny as a hero, but even heroes must be accountable for their
    actions. What is the most ethical message to send society about citizen >>>> rescuers?

    I don’t think it is as easy a question as Penny’s supporters claim. >>>>
    Now here’s the article from past year:

    ***
    “When government abdicates its responsibility to maintain public safety, >>>> a few citizens, for now at least, will step into the breach. Penny was >>>> one of them. He restrained Neely not out of racism or malice but to
    protect his fellow passengers. He was showing classically male virtues: >>>> chivalry, courage and initiative. Male heroism threatens the entitlement >>>> state by providing an example of self-reliance apart from the
    professional helper class. And for that reason, he must be taken down.” >>>> —Heather Mac Donald, in her scorching essay, “Daniel Penny is a
    scapegoat for a failed system”

    That paragraph continues,

    A homicide charge is the most efficient way to discourage such
    initiative in the future. Stigma is another. The mainstream media has
    characterized the millions of dollars in donations that have poured into >>>> Daniel Penny’s legal defense fund as the mark of ignorant bigots who >>>> support militaristic white vigilantes.

    There is no way law enforcement can or should avoid at least exploring a >>>> manslaughter charge when an unarmed citizen is killed after a good
    Samaritan intervenes in a situation that he or she sees as potentially >>>> dangerous. Nevertheless, what appears to be the planned vilification of >>>> ex-Marine Daniel Penny by Democrats and the news media to put
    desperately-needed wind back in the metaphorical sails of Black Lives
    Matter and to goose racial division as the 2024 elections approach
    graphically illustrates just how unethical and ruthless the 21st Century >>>> American Left has become. (I know, I know, we don’t need any more
    evidence). Mac Donald’s essay is superb, as many of hers often are. Do >>>> read it all, and them make your Facebook friends’ heads explode by
    sharing it.

    Here are some other juicy and spot-on excerpts:


    “Neely has been turned into a symbol of a racist system of law
    enforcement and of civilian values that exaggerate the threat of
    mentally ill vagrants to keep minorities down. Three weeks after Neely’s >>>> death, on May 21, another homeless man in New York City slammed a
    woman’s head into a subway car, likely paralyzing her for life, if she >>>> even survives. Neely’s champions have been silent about this latest
    subway assault.”

    I didn’t know about that attack, because apparently the mainstream media >>>> didn’t think it was important.or at least important enough to risk
    undercutting their allies’ narrative.

    Jordan Neely was a standard product of New York’s homelessness empire. A >>>> thirty-year-old schizophrenic drug addict, Neelydespite his
    predilection for assaulting the elderly, he had been repeatedly allowed >>>> to skip out of treatment and jail. In 2019, Neely punched Filemon
    Castillo Baltazar in the head as the sixty-five-year-old waited for a
    subway in Greenwich Village. In June 2021, he walloped Anne Mitcheltree >>>> in the head inside a deli in the East Village; she was in her late
    sixties. In November 2021, Neely broke the nose and fractured the eye
    socket of a sixty-seven-year-old woman as she exited a subway on the
    Lower East Side.

    None of these attacks landed Neely in long-term mental health confinement >>>>
    Again, the scourge of Democrat-run cities deliberately allowing
    criminals and threats to law-abiding citizens escape consequences of
    their actions

    while vagrants have a right to shelter, they have no obligation to use >>>> it. They are free to continue colonizing public and private spaces if
    they prefer. Taxpayers, meanwhile, have no choice in whether they pay
    for the scorned shelter; it must always be available to the finicky
    homeless, whether it is accepted or not. Conferring such choice on
    street colonizers guarantees that the street population will remain
    “unhoused,” since the vast majority of that population prefers the >>>> street lifestyle of uninhibited drug use and bounteous handouts to even >>>> the most nonjudgmental, anything-goes shelter. And, most critically,
    that unhoused population provides lifetime employment for government
    bureaucrats and private social service providers.

    So add the city to Neely’s family and warped woke priorities as
    responsible parties for his death.

    New York’s medical examiner ruled that Neely died from compression of >>>> the neck. But because Neely’s autopsy report has not been released, it >>>> is impossible to know whether drug intoxication, exacerbating stress on >>>> the heart, or other complicating factors may have contributed to Neely’s >>>> death.

    Déjà vu, anybody?

    As soon as the video became public, a glad cry must have gone out at
    the headquarters of Race-Baiting, Inc.: Penny was white, and Neely was >>>> black! Therefore, white supremacy killed Neely, just as it has allegedly >>>> killed so many other black homicide victims.A New York state senator
    called Neely’s death a “lynching.” Yusef Salaam, a New York City Council
    candidate, announced at Neely’s funeral that the public had “witnessed >>>> the lynching, a lynching, a lynching in the public square, a lynching of >>>> a Black man who was never given a chance by the system that was designed >>>> to keep him oppressed.” The fact that Penny was not immediately
    arrested and indicted showed the “systemic racism that robs us of our >>>> basic humanity in life and death,” according to the speaker of the New >>>> York City Council. New York Mayor Eric Adams echoed Barack Obama’s
    statement that if Obama had had a son, that son would have looked like >>>> Trayvon Martin (the Florida teenager fatally shot by George Zimmerman in >>>> 2012). Adams noted that his son was also named Jordan and that Neely was >>>> “black like me,” facts of dubious relevance to the case. “No family >>>> should have to suffer a loss like this,” Adams added. “And too many >>>> black and brown families bear the brunt of a system long overdue for reform.

    because Barack Obama unforgivable linking of Trayvon Martin to his own >>>> family has worked out so well for American race relations

    Penny’s critics were certain that Neely posed no threat. “It became very
    clear that he was not going to cause harm to these other people,” New >>>> York Governor Kathy Hochul said. How Hochul had gained such
    psychological expertise from the safety of her chauffeured SUV was
    unclear. Neely was just another subway “passenger.” “Passengers are not
    supposed to die on the floor of our subways,” Neely’s family said, >>>> speaking through their lawyers. Saying that subway passengers are not
    supposed to die is like saying that pedestrians are not supposed to die >>>> crossing the street, after one of them has run into oncoming traffic in >>>> the dark. Context is all.”

    The NYC mayor, the state’s governorEthics Alarms hereby issues a travel >>>> advisory for sane and ethical people considering travel to New York

    “The most astonishing aspect of the left’s narrative is not the tired >>>> racism conceit. The most astonishing claim is that it was Penny who
    lacked compassion and not the engineers of a status quo that left Neely >>>> free to decompose on the streets. We are supposed to believe that a
    system that has hundreds of contacts with a mentally ill vagrant and
    that allows him to continue his destructive lifestyle is caring.”

    There is a lot more: it is an important and a brilliantly argued piece. >>>> Whoever runs as a Republican in 2024 should practice explaining Mac
    Donald’s points on the campaign trail. My favorite passage, I think: >>>>
    Contrary to the anti-white narrative, white on black homicides are
    almost nonexistent. Blacks commit 87 percent of all non-lethal
    interracial violence between blacks and whites and whites and blacks;
    blacks are roughly thirty-five times more likely to commit violent
    offenses against whites than whites are to commit violent offenses
    against blacks.

    Existing while black is more dangerous than existing while white, but
    not because of white supremacy. In the first eighteen months of the
    pandemic, black juveniles were shot at 100 times the rate of white
    juveniles. (That shooting spike began only after the George Floyd race >>>> riots.) Had any of those black juvenile gun victims been shot or killed >>>> by whites, we would have heard about it. Instead, the rule for
    deciphering crime reporting is as follows: if the race of a crime
    suspect is not provided, the suspect is black. That rule applies when
    the victim is black and even more so when the victim is white.

    If a crime suspect is white, however, that fact will usually be reported >>>> and it will always be the lead in any story in the rare instance when
    the victim is black.

    Obviously, the author is a racist, and so am I, for praising and
    circulating her work.


    Daniel Penny did what every true American should do; choke the breath
    out of trouble making coons. If that were to happen, you'd have a few
    less niggers and allot less crime. Not all these apes are criminals,
    but there are far too many that are. Gooks, jews, niggers, beaners all
    have a criminal element that we don't want here in America. It's
    easier to get rid of the whole lot of you than to try to sort out
    which are worthy to stay. Trump will be here soon enough to get rid of
    all you slime. We'll have to keep the niggers; they didn't sneak in
    like you gooks, jews, and spics. I say "Good riddance! The sooner, the
    better!"

    You sure like to call people apes and gooks and accuse them of >>illegally sneaking into my country, the United States of America!

    I never accused the coons of sneaking in. They were brought here and
    now we're stuck with them. Sadly instead of being grateful we removed
    them from the food chain in Africa, they bitch and complain about
    everything. Gooks, with the few exceptions brought here to work as
    coolies, are not welcome in America. That includes you and the quack.

    The Dutch and Democratic colonists brought them here. Slavery started in Boston, slaver brokering remained a key part of the New England economy.

    It would be no trouble to get rid of these filthy criminals. Set their ghettos on fire and shoot them as they run out.

    Stop the corporate "black reparations" by requiring hires act like humans.

    For over a quarter of a century, I have observed your fellow
    dreckvolk dominated and humiliated by those whom you would call apes!


    Michael


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)