• Liberating America From Israel

    From Seymour Hare@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 6 23:13:10 2025
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    XPost: alt.politics

    By Paul Findley

    Nine-eleven would not have occurred if the U.S. government had refused
    to help Israel humiliate and destroy Palestinian society. Few express
    this conclusion publicly, but many believe it is the truth. I believe
    the 9/11 catastrophe could have been prevented if any U.S. president
    had had the courage and wisdom to suspend all U.S. aid until Israel
    withdrew from the Arab land seized in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

    The U.S. lobby for Israel is powerful and intimidating, but any
    determined president could prevail and win overwhelming public support
    for the suspension of aid by laying these facts before the American
    people:

    Israel’s present government, like its predecessors, is determined to
    annex the West Bank — biblical Judea and Samaria — so Israel will
    become Greater Israel. Ultra-Orthodox Jews, who maintain a powerful
    role in Israeli politics, believe the Jewish Messiah will not come
    until Greater Israel is a reality. Although a minority in Israel, they
    are committed, aggressive, and influential. Because of deep religious conviction, they are determined to prevent Palestinians from gaining
    statehood on any part of the West Bank.

    In its violent assaults on Palestinians, Israel uses the pretext of
    eradicating terrorism, but its forces are actually engaged in
    advancing the territorial expansion just cited. Under the guise of anti-terrorism, Israeli forces treat Palestinians worse than cattle.
    With due process nowhere to be found, hundreds are detained for long
    periods and most are tortured. Some are assassinated. Homes, orchards,
    and business places are destroyed. Injured or ill Palestinians needing emergency medical care are routinely held at checkpoints for an hour
    or more. Many children are undernourished. Four million Palestinians
    are held in the West Bank and Gaza, which are like giant internment
    centers, bordered with a high concrete wall that Israel calls a
    “separation fence.” None of this could have occurred without U.S.
    support. Perhaps Israeli officials believe life will become so
    unbearable that most Palestinians will eventually leave their
    ancestral homes.

    Once beloved worldwide, the U.S. government finds itself reviled in
    most countries because it provides unconditional support of Israeli
    violations of the United Nations Charter, international law, and the
    precepts of all major religious faiths.

    How did the American people get into this fix?

    Nine-eleven had its principal origin years ago when Israel’s U.S.
    lobby began its unbroken success in stifling debate about the proper
    U.S. role in the Arab-Israeli conflict, and effectively concealed from
    public awareness the fact that the U.S. government gives massive
    uncritical support to Israel.

    Thanks to the suffocating influence of Israel’s U.S. lobby, open
    discussion of the Arab-Israeli conflict has been non-existent in our
    government all these years. I have firsthand knowledge, because I was
    a member of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee in
    June 1967 when Israeli military forces took control of the Golan
    Heights, a part of Syria, as well as the Palestinian West Bank and
    Gaza. I continued as a member for 16 years, and since then have
    maintained a close watch on Congress.

    For many years, not a word has been expressed in that committee or in
    either chamber of Congress that deserves to be called debate on Middle
    East policy. No restrictive or limiting amendments on aid to Israel
    have been offered for more than 30 years, and none of the few offered
    in previous years received more than a handful of votes. On Capitol
    Hill, criticism of Israel, even in private conversation, is all but
    forbidden, treated as downright unpatriotic, if not anti-Semitic. The
    continued absence of free speech was assured when those few who spoke
    out — Senators Adlai Stevenson and Charles Percy, and Reps. Paul
    “Pete” McCloskey, Cynthia McKinney, Earl Hilliard, and myself — were
    defeated at the polls by candidates heavily financed by pro-Israel
    forces.

    As a result, legislation dealing with the Middle East has been heavily
    biased in favor of Israel and against Palestinians and other Arabs
    year after year. Home constituencies, misled by news coverage equally
    lop-sided in Israel’s favor, remain largely unaware that Congress
    behaves as if it were a subcommittee of the Israeli parliament. This
    bias is widely noted beyond America, where most news media candidly
    cover Israel’s conquest and generally excoriate America’s complicity
    and complacency.

    The fury should surprise no one who reads foreign newspapers or
    listens to BBC. In several televised statements long before 9/11,
    Osama bin Laden, believed by U.S. authorities to have masterminded
    9/11, cited U.S. complicity in Israel’s destruction of Palestinian
    society as a principal complaint. Prominent foreigners, in and out of government, have expressed their opposition to U.S. policies with
    steadily growing frequency and severity.

    The lobby’s intimidation remains pervasive. It seems to reach every
    government center, and even houses of worship and revered institutions
    of higher learning. It is highly effective in silencing the many U.S.
    Jews who object to the lobby’s tactics and Israel’s brutality.

    Nothing can justify 9/11. Those guilty deserve maximum punishment, but
    it makes sense for America to examine motivations as carefully as
    possible. Terrorism almost always arises from deeply-felt grievances.
    If they can be eradicated or eased, terrorist passions are certain to
    subside.

    In the years since 9/11, American presidents have made no attempt to
    redress grievances. In fact, they have made the scene far worse by
    supporting Israel’s religious war against Palestinians, an alliance
    that has intensified anti-American anger. America’s leaders seem
    oblivious to the fact that nearly two billion people worldwide regard
    the plight of Palestinians as today’s most important foreign-policy
    challenge.

    No one in authority will admit a calamitous reality that is skillfully
    shielded from the American people, but which is clearly recognized by
    most of the world: America suffered 9/11 and its aftermath, and was
    then at war with Iraq, mainly because U.S. policy in the Middle East
    is made in Israel, not in Washington.

    Israel is a scofflaw nation and should be treated as such. Instead of
    helping its leaders intensify Palestinian misery, our president should
    suspend all aid until Israel ends its occupation of Arab land seized
    in 1967. The suspension would force compliance by Israel’s leaders or
    lead to their removal from office, as the Israeli electorate will not
    tolerate a prime minister who is at odds with the White House.

    If the American president needs an additional reason for doing the
    right thing, he can justify the suspension as a matter of military
    necessity, an essential step in winning international support for his
    war on terrorism. He can cite a worthy precedent. When President
    Abraham Lincoln issued the proclamation that freed only the slaves in
    states that were then in rebellion, he made the restriction because of “military necessity.” If the American president suspends U.S. aid, he
    will liberate all Americans from long years of bondage to Israel’s
    misdeeds.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Seymour Hare on Fri Mar 7 06:16:37 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    On Thu, 06 Mar 2025 23:13:10 -0500, Seymour Hare wrote:

    Ultra-Orthodox Jews, who maintain a powerful role in
    Israeli politics, believe the Jewish Messiah will not come until Greater Israel is a reality.

    Actually, no. Many of them want no part of the Zionist project -- they
    see it as incompatible with their conception of Judaism as a peaceful
    religion.

    Look at the controversy over extending military conscription to the
    Haredim -- why are they so opposed to being soldiers? Not because they
    are lazy or cowards, but because they are religiously opposed to
    murdering Palestinians and stealing their land.

    Nine-eleven had its principal origin years ago when Israel’s U.S. lobby began its unbroken success in stifling debate about the proper U.S. role
    in the Arab-Israeli conflict, and effectively concealed from public
    awareness the fact that the U.S. government gives massive uncritical
    support to Israel.

    Who are these members of the pro-Israel lobby? Are they Jews? There
    aren’t enough Jews in the US--at least enough who subscribe to
    Zionism--to exert that kind of power. The ones who power the engine of
    this lobby are primarily evangelical Christians.

    Christians have been persecuting Jews as “Christ killers” for
    centuries. Why the sudden about-face to such overwhelmingly uncritical
    support, at least for those Jews in the state of Israel? I can think
    of two reasons.

    One: there is some kind of idea that the founding of the modern-day
    state of Israel will fulfil some Christian prophecy about the end of
    the world. Are these evangelical types mad as hatters? That’s one way
    of putting it.

    Second: continuing unacknowledged guilt over that long-standing
    persecution of Jews, culminating of course in the massive slaughter by
    that devout Christian, Adolf Hitler. Why unacknowledged? Because at
    some level, these Christians still don’t like having Jews around,
    reminding them of that terrible atrocity that was committed, at least
    partly, in the name of their religion. So why not make them someone
    else’s problem? “Persuade” them to emigrate to some new “homeland”; since no place left on Earth worth living on is truly empty, the next
    best choice is one occupied by a people that Christians don’t know and don’t care about, who are too weak to fight back and resist the
    colonizers.

    (Yes, some of those indigenous residents of that land happen to be
    Christians, but, realistically, not enough to matter. So much for
    “Love Thy Neighbour”, huh?)

    Out of sight, out of mind, as it were. And if the ongoing conflict
    hastens the coming of the end of the world ... that would be a bonus
    to these religious nutcases.

    Think about it: Hitler slaughtered 6 million Jews, and about a million
    others his murderous ideology classified as “inferior” or
    “undesirable” or downright “subhuman”. But this lot would not regret
    it for one moment if they were responsible for the deaths of everybody
    on Earth.

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  • From David LaRue@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Fri Mar 7 07:03:46 2025
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    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in news:vqe304$3d6hd$1@dont- email.me:

    On Thu, 06 Mar 2025 23:13:10 -0500, Seymour Hare wrote:

    What are you two/three arguing about?

    Israel needs friends, not enemies. Grow up and support Israel.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to David LaRue on Fri Mar 7 07:09:12 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 07:03:46 -0000 (UTC), David LaRue wrote:

    Israel needs friends, not enemies.

    It takes two to tango, as they say. If you want others to be friendly with
    you, you must be friendly towards them yourself. If you want to be able to trust others, then you must prove yourself trustworthy to them as well.

    If you make agreements without any intention of keeping them, why should anybody ever trust you?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to David LaRue on Fri Mar 7 07:48:48 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 07:22:54 -0000 (UTC), David LaRue wrote:

    In times of war, which Israel certainly is, do you side with
    them or the other sides?

    Obviously it makes sense to side with those being invaded, who are trying
    to defend their lands and peoples against the invader.

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  • From David LaRue@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Fri Mar 7 07:22:54 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in news:vqe62o$3e04c$1@dont- email.me:

    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 07:03:46 -0000 (UTC), David LaRue wrote:

    Israel needs friends, not enemies.

    It takes two to tango, as they say. If you want others to be friendly with you, you must be friendly towards them yourself. If you want to be able to trust others, then you must prove yourself trustworthy to them as well.

    If you make agreements without any intention of keeping them, why should anybody ever trust you?

    Agreed. In times of war, which Israel certainly is, do you side with them or the other sides?

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 7 11:11:42 2025
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    In article <vqe62o$3e04c$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    [garbage flushed]

    It's not Israel, you stupid person.

    According to Fondapol, a French think tank, between 1979 and May 2021,
    at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide, causing
    the deaths of at least 210,138 people.

    By the way, this figure does not include the millions of Muslims killed
    in plain old wars by other Muslims, in Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Sudan,
    and basically any Muslim country. Examples:

    Yemeni civil war: Overall 377,000+ direct and indirect deaths (150,000+
    people killed in violence), 85,000 Yemeni children dead from starvation.

    Syrian civil war: total deaths 580,000[18]–617,910, civilian deaths 219,223–306,887+, Displaced people 6.7 million internally, 6.6 million externally (refugees).

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 7 11:05:00 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    In article <vqe304$3d6hd$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    [garbage flushed]

    According to Fondapol, a French think tank, between 1979 and May 2021,
    at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide, causing
    the deaths of at least 210,138 people.

    By the way, this figure does not include the millions of Muslims killed
    in plain old wars by other Muslims, in Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Sudan,
    and basically any Muslim country.

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Fri Mar 7 11:13:19 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    In article <vqe8cv$3eckk$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Obviously it makes sense to side with those being invaded,

    IOW, you would have defended Nazi Germany.

    You are sooooooo stupid.

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  • From NefeshBarYochai@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 7 11:17:31 2025
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    XPost: alt.politics

    By Paul Findley

    That ancient cocksucker died 5 years ago. TEE-HEE!

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  • From Sharx335@21:1/5 to NefeshBarYochai on Fri Mar 7 09:59:20 2025
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    XPost: alt.politics

    On 2025-03-07 4:17 a.m., NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    By Paul Findley

    That ancient cocksucker died 5 years ago. TEE-HEE!


    May you, too, soon join your ancestors in the Lake of Fire.

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to sharx35@telus.net on Fri Mar 7 17:34:27 2025
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    XPost: alt.politics

    In article <vqf8l7$3knlo$1@dont-email.me>, Sharx335 <sharx35@telus.net> wrote: >On 2025-03-07 4:17 a.m., NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    By Paul Findley

    That ancient cocksucker died 5 years ago. TEE-HEE!


    May you, too, soon join your ancestors in the Lake of Fire.

    Spot on % !
    --
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    Declare the MAGA A terrorist movement like that of HAMAS!

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Fri Mar 7 22:12:35 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    In article <vqfoum$3nnbq$7@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Is this meant to

    It is meant to demonstrate what everyone with half a brain knows: that
    Muslim societies and nations are inherently violent.

    According to Fondapol, a French think tank, between 1979 and May 2021,
    at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide, causing
    the deaths of at least 210,138 people.

    By the way, this figure does not include the millions of Muslims killed
    in plain old wars by other Muslims, in Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Sudan,
    and basically any Muslim country.

    Israel is just another target of this inherent violence.

    So, you silly person with far less than half a brain, it's not
    about Israel.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 7 21:37:26 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    Is this meant to excuse the atrocities that Israel is committing, on the grounds that Muslims are supposed to be accustomed to atrocities, or
    something?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Fri Mar 7 22:21:32 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 22:12:35 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    Muslim societies and nations are inherently violent.

    Israel is just another target of this inherent violence.

    The state of Israel was born out of violence. It inflicted violence on
    those in the territories it annexed for its own state, and continues to
    inflict violence on those who resist its attempts to expand its territory.
    If others respond to your violence with violence of their own, and you
    feign surprise and hurt at that, whom are you fooling? “An eye for an eye
    and a tooth for a tooth” is not a recipe for peaceful coexistence.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Fri Mar 7 22:23:05 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 11:13:19 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    In article <vqe8cv$3eckk$1@dont-email.me>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Obviously it makes sense to side with those being invaded, who are
    trying to defend their lands and peoples against the invader.

    IOW, you would have defended Nazi Germany.

    Refresh my memory. Who did the invading in that case, and who defended
    against it, do you remember?

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Fri Mar 7 22:48:48 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    In article <vqfrk8$3omb2$3@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Obviously it makes sense to side with those being invaded, who are
    trying to defend their lands and peoples against the invader.

    IOW, you would have defended Nazi Germany.

    Refresh my memory. Who did the invading in that case,

    The Allies and Russians have invaded Germany, right?

    Are you trolling, or are you really that stupid?

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Fri Mar 7 22:47:24 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    In article <vqfrhc$3omb2$2@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 22:12:35 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    Muslim societies and nations are inherently violent.

    Israel is just another target of this inherent violence.

    The state of Israel was born out of violence.

    The state of Israel was born out of a UN vote. This is how
    the Arabs reacted:

    <quote>

    One day after the State of Israel declared itself as an independent nation
    (May 14, 1948), Lebanese, Syrian, Iraqi, Egyptian, and Transjordanian troops, supported by Saudi and Yemenite troops, attacked the nascent Jewish state, triggering the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. On that day, Azzam Pasha [secretary-general
    of the Arab League between 1945 and 1952] announced:

    "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades".

    </quote>

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to Rob on Sat Mar 8 09:13:51 2025
    XPost: sac.politics, edm.general, talk.politics.usa
    XPost: alt.politics

    Rob wrote:
    On 07/03/2025 10:34, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <vqf8l7$3knlo$1@dont-email.me>, Sharx335
    <sharx35@telus.net> wrote:
    On 2025-03-07 4:17 a.m., NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    By Paul Findley

    That ancient cocksucker died 5 years ago. TEE-HEE!


    May you, too, soon join your ancestors in the Lake of Fire.

    Spot on % !

    You replied to what Sharx wrote, not %, you fucking illiterate imbecile.


    Binky couldn't resist slurping % again.

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  • From Rob@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Sat Mar 8 06:52:48 2025
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    XPost: alt.politics

    On 07/03/2025 10:34, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <vqf8l7$3knlo$1@dont-email.me>, Sharx335 <sharx35@telus.net> wrote:
    On 2025-03-07 4:17 a.m., NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    By Paul Findley

    That ancient cocksucker died 5 years ago. TEE-HEE!


    May you, too, soon join your ancestors in the Lake of Fire.

    Spot on % !

    You replied to what Sharx wrote, not %, you fucking illiterate imbecile.

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to rc@jolly.invalid on Sat Mar 8 15:12:33 2025
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    XPost: alt.politics

    In article <182ad964591eaab1$28816$1520955$70dd7a6b@news.thecubenet.com>,
    Rudy Canoza <rc@jolly.invalid> wrote:
    Rob wrote:
    On 07/03/2025 10:34, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <vqf8l7$3knlo$1@dont-email.me>, Sharx335
    <sharx35@telus.net> wrote:
    On 2025-03-07 4:17 a.m., NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    By Paul Findley

    That ancient cocksucker died 5 years ago. TEE-HEE!


    May you, too, soon join your ancestors in the Lake of Fire.

    Spot on % !

    You replied to what Sharx wrote, not %, you illiterate imbecile.


    Binky couldn't resist slurping % again.
    ^^^^<-Paedohile talker Rudy Canoza noted!


    --
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    Declare the MAGA A terrorist movement like that of HAMAS!

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Sat Mar 8 10:45:06 2025
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    XPost: alt.politics

    The Doctor wrote:
    In article <182ad964591eaab1$28816$1520955$70dd7a6b@news.thecubenet.com>, Rudy Canoza <rc@jolly.invalid> wrote:
    Rob wrote:
    On 07/03/2025 10:34, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <vqf8l7$3knlo$1@dont-email.me>, Sharx335
    <sharx35@telus.net> wrote:
    On 2025-03-07 4:17 a.m., NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    By Paul Findley

    That ancient cocksucker died 5 years ago. TEE-HEE!


    May you, too, soon join your ancestors in the Lake of Fire.

    Spot on % !

    You replied to what Sharx wrote, not %, you illiterate imbecile.


    Binky couldn't resist slurping % again.


    Paedohile Dave Yadallee noted!


    Indeed.

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to rc@jolly.invalid on Sat Mar 8 23:05:45 2025
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    XPost: alt.politics

    In article <182ade5f36caf907$12809$3463108$72dd786b@news.thecubenet.com>,
    Rudy Canoza <rc@jolly.invalid> wrote:
    The Doctor wrote:
    In article <182ad964591eaab1$28816$1520955$70dd7a6b@news.thecubenet.com>,
    Rudy Canoza <rc@jolly.invalid> wrote:
    Rob wrote:
    On 07/03/2025 10:34, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <vqf8l7$3knlo$1@dont-email.me>, Sharx335
    <sharx35@telus.net> wrote:
    On 2025-03-07 4:17 a.m., NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    By Paul Findley

    That ancient cocksucker died 5 years ago. TEE-HEE!


    May you, too, soon join your ancestors in the Lake of Fire.

    Spot on % !

    You replied to what Sharx wrote, not %, you illiterate imbecile.


    Binky couldn't resist slurping % again.


    Paedohile Dave Yadallee noted!


    Lying paedophile Rudy Canoza caught lying again!


    Indeed.


    --
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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Sun Mar 9 06:38:56 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 22:47:24 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    In article <vqfrhc$3omb2$2@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 22:12:35 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    Muslim societies and nations are inherently violent.

    Israel is just another target of this inherent violence.

    The state of Israel was born out of violence.

    The state of Israel was born out of a UN vote.

    There was violence (from Zionist terrorist groups) leading up to that
    vote, and there was violence following on from that vote.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Sun Mar 9 11:14:17 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    In article <vqjd20$k03t$2@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    The state of Israel was born out of a UN vote.

    There was violence

    All of which was initiated by the Arabs, also before the
    1948 war, which they started as well.

    Learn history and grow a brain, dumbass.

    <quote>

    According to Fondapol, a French think tank, between 1979 and May 2021,
    at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide, causing
    the deaths of at least 210,138 people.

    By the way, this figure does not include the millions of Muslims killed
    in plain old wars by other Muslims, in Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Sudan,
    and basically any Muslim country.

    </quote>

    Still can't see who's to blame, dumbass?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Sun Mar 9 11:11:13 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    In article <vqjd0k$k03t$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    The Allies and Russians have invaded Germany, right?

    So that was what started the war?

    And who started the 1948 war, the 1967 war, the 1973 war, and the
    2023 war?

    (sigh)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to The Doctor Binky on Sun Mar 9 07:48:41 2025
    XPost: sac.politics, edm.general, talk.politics.usa
    XPost: alt.politics

    The Doctor Binky wrote:
    In article <182ade5f36caf907$12809$3463108$72dd786b@news.thecubenet.com>, Rudy Canoza <rc@jolly.invalid> wrote:
    The Doctor wrote:
    In article <182ad964591eaab1$28816$1520955$70dd7a6b@news.thecubenet.com>, >>> Rudy Canoza <rc@jolly.invalid> wrote:
    Rob wrote:
    On 07/03/2025 10:34, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <vqf8l7$3knlo$1@dont-email.me>, Sharx335
    <sharx35@telus.net> wrote:
    On 2025-03-07 4:17 a.m., NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    By Paul Findley

    That ancient cocksucker died 5 years ago. TEE-HEE!


    May you, too, soon join your ancestors in the Lake of Fire.

    Spot on % !

    You replied to what Sharx wrote, not %, you illiterate imbecile.


    Binky couldn't resist slurping % again.


    Paedohile Dave Yadallee noted!



    Indeed.


    Binky the Basement dwelling fuckwit.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to rc@jolly.invalid on Sun Mar 9 12:20:15 2025
    XPost: sac.politics, edm.general, talk.politics.usa
    XPost: alt.politics

    In article <182b200ca68017dd$62408$748691$20dd2a6e@news.thecubenet.com>,
    Peadophile Rudy Canoza <rc@jolly.invalid> wrote:
    The Doctor Binky wrote:
    ^^^^^<-Paedophile takler noted
    In article <182ade5f36caf907$12809$3463108$72dd786b@news.thecubenet.com>,
    Rudy Canoza <rc@jolly.invalid> wrote:
    The Doctor wrote:
    In article <182ad964591eaab1$28816$1520955$70dd7a6b@news.thecubenet.com>, >>>> Rudy Canoza <rc@jolly.invalid> wrote:
    Rob wrote:
    On 07/03/2025 10:34, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <vqf8l7$3knlo$1@dont-email.me>, Sharx335
    <sharx35@telus.net> wrote:
    On 2025-03-07 4:17 a.m., NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    By Paul Findley

    That ancient cocksucker died 5 years ago. TEE-HEE!


    May you, too, soon join your ancestors in the Lake of Fire.

    Spot on % !

    You replied to what Sharx wrote, not %, you illiterate imbecile.


    Binky couldn't resist slurping % again.


    Paedohile Dave Yadallee noted!



    Indeed.


    Binky the Basement dwelling f*wit.

    Lying Peadophile Rudy Canoza noted!
    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ;
    Declare the MAGA A terrorist movement like that of HAMAS!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to The Binky Doctor on Sun Mar 9 10:14:26 2025
    XPost: sac.politics, edm.general, talk.politics.usa
    XPost: alt.politics

    The Binky Doctor wrote:
    In article <182b200ca68017dd$62408$748691$20dd2a6e@news.thecubenet.com>,
    Rudy Canoza <rc@jolly.invalid> wrote:
    The Doctor Binky wrote:
    ^^^^^<-Paedophile takler noted
    In article <182ade5f36caf907$12809$3463108$72dd786b@news.thecubenet.com>, >>> Rudy Canoza <rc@jolly.invalid> wrote:
    The Doctor wrote:
    In article <182ad964591eaab1$28816$1520955$70dd7a6b@news.thecubenet.com>, >>>>> Rudy Canoza <rc@jolly.invalid> wrote:
    Rob wrote:
    On 07/03/2025 10:34, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <vqf8l7$3knlo$1@dont-email.me>, Sharx335
    <sharx35@telus.net> wrote:
    On 2025-03-07 4:17 a.m., NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    By Paul Findley

    That ancient cocksucker died 5 years ago. TEE-HEE!


    May you, too, soon join your ancestors in the Lake of Fire.

    Spot on % !

    You replied to what Sharx wrote, not %, you illiterate imbecile. >>>>>>>

    Binky couldn't resist slurping % again.


    Paedohile Dave Yadallee noted!



    Indeed.


    Binky the Basement dwelling fuckwit.

    Peadophile noted!


    Poor Dave Yadallee has never left the nest.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to rc@jolly.invalid on Sun Mar 9 18:47:53 2025
    XPost: sac.politics, edm.general, talk.politics.usa
    XPost: alt.politics

    In article <182b2800fe0fb370$42598$2011855$68dd626a@news.thecubenet.com>, Peadophile Rudy Canoza <rc@jolly.invalid> wrote:
    The Binky Doctor wrote:
    ^^^^^<-Paedophile takler noted
    In article <182b200ca68017dd$62408$748691$20dd2a6e@news.thecubenet.com>,
    Rudy Canoza <rc@jolly.invalid> wrote:
    The Doctor Binky wrote:
    ^^^^^<-Paedophile takler noted
    In article <182ade5f36caf907$12809$3463108$72dd786b@news.thecubenet.com>, >>>> Rudy Canoza <rc@jolly.invalid> wrote:
    The Doctor wrote:
    In article <182ad964591eaab1$28816$1520955$70dd7a6b@news.thecubenet.com>,
    Rudy Canoza <rc@jolly.invalid> wrote:
    Rob wrote:
    On 07/03/2025 10:34, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <vqf8l7$3knlo$1@dont-email.me>, Sharx335
    <sharx35@telus.net> wrote:
    On 2025-03-07 4:17 a.m., NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    By Paul Findley

    That ancient cocksucker died 5 years ago. TEE-HEE!


    May you, too, soon join your ancestors in the Lake of Fire. >>>>>>>>>
    Spot on % !

    You replied to what Sharx wrote, not %, you illiterate imbecile. >>>>>>>>

    Binky couldn't resist slurping % again.


    Paedohile Dave Yadallee noted!



    Indeed.


    Binky the Basement dwelling fuckwit.

    Peadophile noted!


    Poor Dave Yadallee has never left the nest.

    Police at you door Peadophile Rudy Canoza
    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ;
    Declare the MAGA A terrorist movement like that of HAMAS!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Idlehands@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Sun Mar 9 16:08:56 2025
    XPost: sac.politics, edm.general, talk.politics.usa
    XPost: alt.politics

    On 2025-03-09 6:20 a.m., The Doctor wrote:
    In article <182b200ca68017dd$62408$748691$20dd2a6e@news.thecubenet.com>,
    Peadophile Rudy Canoza <rc@jolly.invalid> wrote:


    Binky the Basement dwelling fuckwit.

    Lying Peadophile Rudy Canoza noted!


    Where did he lie binky?

    --
    "Re: For Binky (word used by paedohiles to indicate their pride in
    sexual molestation) ... Bible Studies"

    The Doctor (aka binky), March 2025

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to pursent100@gmail.com on Sun Mar 9 22:59:50 2025
    XPost: sac.politics, edm.general, talk.politics.usa
    XPost: alt.politics

    In article <EGqdnb7t-OPIilP6nZ2dnZfqn_EAAAAA@giganews.com>,
    % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
    Idlehands wrote:
    On 2025-03-09 6:20 a.m., The Doctor wrote:
    In article <182b200ca68017dd$62408$748691$20dd2a6e@news.thecubenet.com>, >>>   Peadophile Rudy Canoza  <rc@jolly.invalid> wrote:


    Binky the Basement dwelling fuckwit.

    Lying Peadophile Rudy Canoza  noted!


    Where did he lie binky?

    in allowing your name to be here

    Good one !
    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ;
    Declare the MAGA A terrorist movement like that of HAMAS!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Tue Mar 11 01:06:55 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 11:11:13 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    In article <vqjd0k$k03t$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Obviously it makes sense to side with those being invaded, who are >>>>>> trying to defend their lands and peoples against the invader.

    IOW, you would have defended Nazi Germany.

    Refresh my memory. Who did the invading in that case, and who
    defended against it, do you remember?

    The Allies and Russians have invaded Germany, right?

    So that was what started the war?

    Seems like you are the one trying to defend Nazi Germany.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Tue Mar 11 01:09:14 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 11:14:17 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    In article <vqjd20$k03t$2@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 22:47:24 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    The state of Israel was born out of a UN vote.

    There was violence (from Zionist terrorist groups) leading up to that
    vote, and there was violence following on from that vote.

    All of which was initiated by the Arabs ...

    Groups like Hagganah and Lehi (who murdered Count Folke Bernadotte) are “Arabs”, now?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Tue Mar 11 05:51:04 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    In article <vqo2fp$1kln1$7@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    There was violence (from Zionist terrorist groups) leading up to that
    vote, and there was violence following on from that vote.

    All of which was initiated by the Arabs ...

    Groups like Hagganah and Lehi

    Look up "initiated", dumbass.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 11 05:53:12 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    In article <vqo2be$1kln1$6@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    [flush]

    Seems like you are the one trying to defend Nazi Germany,
    as you're claiming that a nation which was invaded is
    necessarily the victim.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Tue Mar 11 06:45:54 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 05:51:04 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    In article <vqo2fp$1kln1$7@dont-email.me>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    There was violence (from Zionist terrorist groups) leading up to that
    vote, and there was violence following on from that vote.

    All of which was initiated by the Arabs ...

    Groups like Hagganah and Lehi (who murdered Count Folke Bernadotte)
    are “Arabs”, now?

    Look up "initiated" ...

    I did, that’s why I asked.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Tue Mar 11 06:44:32 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 05:53:12 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 01:06:55 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 11:11:13 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    In article <vqjd0k$k03t$1@dont-email.me>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Obviously it makes sense to side with those being invaded,
    who are trying to defend their lands and peoples against the
    invader.

    IOW, you would have defended Nazi Germany.

    Refresh my memory. Who did the invading in that case, and who
    defended against it, do you remember?

    The Allies and Russians have invaded Germany, right?

    So that was what started the war?

    Seems like you are the one trying to defend Nazi Germany.

    ... you're claiming that a nation which was invaded is necessarily the victim.

    So you admit that Palestine counts as a “nation”, then? And what Israel is doing to Palestine counts as an “invasion”?

    At least that’s progress ...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Tue Mar 11 20:03:30 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    In article <vqom4g$1rfnf$6@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    So you admit that Palestine counts as a "nation", then?

    Who gives a fuck how they are defined?

    And what Israel is doing to Palestine counts as an "invasion"?

    In the same sense that the Allies "invaded" Nazi Germany, you
    horribly stupid critter.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Tue Mar 11 20:04:40 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    In article <vqom71$1rfnf$7@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Look up "initiated" ...

    I did,

    Look again.

    Say, you're one boring silly critter, ain't you?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Tue Mar 11 21:18:11 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 20:04:40 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 06:45:54 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 05:51:04 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    In article <vqo2fp$1kln1$7@dont-email.me>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    There was violence (from Zionist terrorist groups) leading up
    to that vote, and there was violence following on from that
    vote.

    All of which was initiated by the Arabs ...

    Groups like Hagganah and Lehi (who murdered Count Folke
    Bernadotte) are “Arabs”, now?

    Look up "initiated" ...

    I did, that’s why I asked.

    Look again.

    And again. And again. And again.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Wed Mar 12 03:16:54 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 20:03:30 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    In article <vqom4g$1rfnf$6@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    And what Israel is doing to Palestine counts as an "invasion"?

    In the same sense that the Allies "invaded" Nazi Germany ...

    Did Palestine invade Israel first?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Wed Mar 12 20:35:23 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, nz.politics

    On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 20:03:30 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    In article <vqom4g$1rfnf$6@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    So you admit that Palestine counts as a "nation", then?

    Who gives a fuck how they are defined?

    You were the one trying to draw some kind of parallel between Palestine
    and Germany, as a sovereign state. If you don’t accept Palestine as a sovereign state, then the parallel doesn’t work, does it?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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