523 Days
48,524 Killed *mostly women and children
111,955 Wounded
11,000 Missing
"NefeshBarYochai" <void@invalid.noy> wrote in message >news:e81htj5h2n5ee293ai877dqgfu69smeg2e@4ax.com...
523 Days
48,524 Killed *mostly women and children
111,955 Wounded
11,000 Missing
So now that you've told us about the victims from Hamas' actions does that >mean you're ready to renounce them and their undeclared war?
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:36:56 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"NefeshBarYochai" <void@invalid.noy> wrote in message >>news:e81htj5h2n5ee293ai877dqgfu69smeg2e@4ax.com...
523 Days
48,524 Killed *mostly women and children
111,955 Wounded
11,000 Missing
So now that you've told us about the victims from Hamas' actions does that >>mean you're ready to renounce them and their undeclared war?
The war was started by ... the Palestinians.
Well, you can't really call it a war since Hamas isn't acting like a military. Indeed if it were they would all be subject to execution under
the Geneva accords. No, let's call it was it is. A terrorist action on a massive scale.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 08:52:08 -0400, Scout wrote:
Well, you can't really call it a war since Hamas isn't acting like a
military. Indeed if it were they would all be subject to execution under
the Geneva accords. No, let's call it was it is. A terrorist action on a
massive scale.
The definition of “terrorism” is “violence targeted indiscriminately at civilians for political ends”.
By this definition, both sides in Israel/Palestine have committed “terrorist” acts.
But in Gaza, one side has achieved it on a scale that
completely dwarfs anything else in the recent history of that region.
There have been something like 60,000 confirmed victims of their savagery, and the toll could be much higher, with so many people missing.
Many independent groups now agree that what they are doing is tantamount
to “genocide”. Even the UN is now starting to use that term.
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 10:26:27 +1100, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:How is what is happening to Gaza different than what happened to
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 08:52:08 -0400, Scout wrote:
Well, you can't really call it a war since Hamas isn't acting like a
military. Indeed if it were they would all be subject to execution under >>> the Geneva accords. No, let's call it was it is. A terrorist action on a >>> massive scale.
The definition of “terrorism” is “violence targeted indiscriminately at
civilians for political ends”.
By this definition, both sides in Israel/Palestine have committed
“terrorist” acts. But in Gaza, one side has achieved it on a scale that >> completely dwarfs anything else in the recent history of that region.
There have been something like 60,000 confirmed victims of their
savagery,
Not even 3%
and the toll could be much higher, with so many people missing.
Many independent groups now agree that what they are doing is tantamount
to “genocide”. Even the UN is now starting to use that term.
It is in fact nothing even remotely like genocide given that
there has never been any attempt to kill all palestinians.
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 10:26:27 +1100, Lawrence D'OliveiroHow is what is happening to Gaza different than what happened to
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Many independent groups now agree that what they are doing is
tantamount to “genocide”. Even the UN is now starting to use that
term.
Germany and Japan during the first half of the 1940's?
No, Israel's responses seems to be very specific and are targeted specifically against Hamas terrorists.
As such any civilian loses are due in large part to the fact that
Hamas is attempting to hide among the civilian population using that
as, what's that phrase again, human shields.
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 05:15:47 -0700, Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 10:26:27 +1100, Lawrence D'OliveiroHow is what is happening to Gaza different than what happened to
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Many independent groups now agree that what they are doing is
tantamount to “genocide”. Even the UN is now starting to use that
term.
Germany and Japan during the first half of the 1940's?
If you want to draw such a parallel, then you would need to put Palestine
in the same category as Germany and Japan.
Germany and Japan are sovereign states. Do you want to recognize Palestine
as a sovereign state? Otherwise the parallel is invalid.
"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in message news:vrfjr2$1rs1o$3@dont-email.me...
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 08:52:08 -0400, Scout wrote:
Well, you can't really call it a war since Hamas isn't acting like a
military. Indeed if it were they would all be subject to execution under >>> the Geneva accords. No, let's call it was it is. A terrorist action on a >>> massive scale.
The definition of “terrorism” is “violence targeted indiscriminately at
civilians for political ends”.
Which Hamas does everytime it starts one of its undeclared wars.
By this definition, both sides in Israel/Palestine have committed
“terrorist” acts.
No, Israel's responses seems to be very specific and are targeted specifically against Hamas terrorists. As such any civilian loses are
due in large part to the fact that Hamas is attempting to hide among the civilian population using that as, what's that phrase again, human
shields. As such Hamas is to blame since by their actions of attempting
to hide and operation from within the civilian population puts that population at risk.
But in Gaza, one side has achieved it on a scale that
completely dwarfs anything else in the recent history of that region.
Well, that's Hamas for you.
There have been something like 60,000 confirmed victims of their
savagery,
and the toll could be much higher, with so many people missing.
And yet, you tell us that Hamas should be put in charge after they have caused all this death.
Many independent groups now agree that what they are doing is tantamount
to “genocide”. Even the UN is now starting to use that term.
Good, yet more reason to exterminate Hamas.
After all, that is exactly why the Geneva Accords were enacted and which Hamas is ignoring at every turn.
For it is those who seek shelter among civilians that are to blame.. not those they have attacked from within that civilian population.
Hamas did not even sign those accords, so they are not entitled to
their protection.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
How does that make a difference?
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 05:15:47 -0700, Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 10:26:27 +1100, Lawrence D'OliveiroHow is what is happening to Gaza different than what happened to
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Many independent groups now agree that what they are doing is
tantamount to “genocide”. Even the UN is now starting to use that
term.
Germany and Japan during the first half of the 1940's?
If you want to draw such a parallel, then you would need to put
Palestine in the same category as Germany and Japan.
Germany and Japan are sovereign states. Do you want to recognize
Palestine as a sovereign state? Otherwise the parallel is invalid.
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 20:00:38 -0700, Michael Ejercito wrote:
Hamas did not even sign those accords, so they are not entitled to
their protection.
Israel is a signatory to the UN charter, therefore bound to operate by its rules.
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 05:15:47 -0700, Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 10:26:27 +1100, Lawrence D'OliveiroHow is what is happening to Gaza different than what happened to
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Many independent groups now agree that what they are doing is
tantamount to “genocide”. Even the UN is now starting to use that
term.
Germany and Japan during the first half of the 1940's?
If you want to draw such a parallel, then you would need to put Palestine
in the same category as Germany and Japan.
Germany and Japan are sovereign states. Do you want to recognize Palestine
as a sovereign state? Otherwise the parallel is invalid.
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 10:26:27 +1100, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 08:52:08 -0400, Scout wrote:
Well, you can't really call it a war since Hamas isn't acting like a
military. Indeed if it were they would all be subject to execution under >>> the Geneva accords. No, let's call it was it is. A terrorist action on a >>> massive scale.
The definition of “terrorism” is “violence targeted indiscriminately at
civilians for political ends”.
By this definition, both sides in Israel/Palestine have committed
“terrorist” acts. But in Gaza, one side has achieved it on a scale that >> completely dwarfs anything else in the recent history of that region.
There have been something like 60,000 confirmed victims of their
savagery,
Not even 3%
and the toll could be much higher, with so many people missing.
Many independent groups now agree that what they are doing is tantamount
to “genocide”. Even the UN is now starting to use that term.
It is in fact nothing even remotely like genocide given that
there has never been any attempt to kill all palestinians.
Scout wrote:
Hamas did not even sign those accords, so they are not entitled to
"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in message
news:vrfjr2$1rs1o$3@dont-email.me...
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 08:52:08 -0400, Scout wrote:
Well, you can't really call it a war since Hamas isn't acting like a
military. Indeed if it were they would all be subject to execution under >>>> the Geneva accords. No, let's call it was it is. A terrorist action on a >>>> massive scale.
The definition of terrorism is violence targeted indiscriminately at
civilians for political ends.
Which Hamas does everytime it starts one of its undeclared wars.
By this definition, both sides in Israel/Palestine have committed
terrorist acts.
No, Israel's responses seems to be very specific and are targeted
specifically against Hamas terrorists. As such any civilian loses are
due in large part to the fact that Hamas is attempting to hide among the
civilian population using that as, what's that phrase again, human
shields. As such Hamas is to blame since by their actions of attempting
to hide and operation from within the civilian population puts that
population at risk.
But in Gaza, one side has achieved it on a scale that
completely dwarfs anything else in the recent history of that region.
Well, that's Hamas for you.
There have been something like 60,000 confirmed victims of their
savagery,
and the toll could be much higher, with so many people missing.
And yet, you tell us that Hamas should be put in charge after they have
caused all this death.
Many independent groups now agree that what they are doing is tantamount >>> to genocide. Even the UN is now starting to use that term.
Good, yet more reason to exterminate Hamas.
After all, that is exactly why the Geneva Accords were enacted and which
Hamas is ignoring at every turn.
For it is those who seek shelter among civilians that are to blame.. not
those they have attacked from within that civilian population.
their protection.
Michael
Are any prisoners taken by Palestine protected and treated as required
by the Accords?
"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in message news:vrj6qf$14o3g$3@dont-email.me...
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 20:00:38 -0700, Michael Ejercito wrote:
Hamas did not even sign those accords, so they are not entitled to
their protection.
Israel is a signatory to the UN charter, therefore bound to operate by
its rules.
Agreed, and exactly what rules are you claiming they are violating?
Because unless Hamas in acting in compliance with those accords...
the Israel does not have to abide by those accords per the accords
you claim they signed.
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