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We’ve seen the pattern over and over in Gaza: Israel orders the evacuation
of some civilian facility, like a hospital, a school, or an entire
residential neighbourhood. Or sometimes they don’t even bother to issue
such warnings.

Then they blast the area with a lethal barrage of drones and missiles and
bombs and what have you, always from a distance. And causing dozens or
hundreds of civilian injuries and deaths, the inevitable excuse for which
is that Hamas is somehow using these innocents as “human shields” for
their fighters.

Meanwhile, the victims never even see those who are pushing the buttons
that activate the machines that are killing them. And conversely, the
killers never see the faces of those they are killing. Except perhaps as pictures on a screen, tiny figures like ants maybe, seen from a drone
camera far above, so they don’t look like real people at all.

Call me naïve, but I thought the usual procedure for a military invasion, really the only one that works, is for actual human soldiers to physically enter the territory and take control of it at some point. All this remote- control violence may be useful for preliminary softening up of the target,
but not much more than that. It’s also hopelessly imprecise, as witness
the ongoing mounting toll in civilian casualties. As a strategy, all it
can ever achieve is annihilation and slaughter, not conquest. Conquest
means pacification of the territory, so the invading force is now in
charge, and the fighting stops. And that always, sooner or later, requires boots on the ground.

Consider: every time Israel issues an evacuation order, telling civilians
to leave, why do you think any combatants would stay? Seems to me they
would be the most mobile and adaptable of any of those present in the
area, ready to relocate somewhere else at a moment’s notice. While the
ones most likely to be left behind would be the weakest, the least mobile,
the most dependent -- the ordinary people, least prepared to be evicted
from their homes or shelters or hospital beds. So when that storm of
deadly force is unleashed, guess who dies? Does Israel really think it is killing a lot of Hamas fighters this way?

In short, the whole “human shields” excuse is just that -- an excuse. To commit slaughter on innocent civilians, while insisting that they try
their best to minimize civilian casualties. Israel is just lying about
having any kind of humane objectives at all -- their whole strategy is specifically and deliberately oriented towards causing civilian casualties
on a massive scale.

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In article <100uatm$17c3f$1@dont-email.me>,
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

[bla-bla-bla]

In short, the whole "human shields" excuse is just that -- an excuse.

Crap.

As if We didn't Know... Hamas Official Says it Clear as Day: Dead
Palestinian Civilians Was Their Plan All Along
-----------------------------------------------------------------

The huge effort taken by Hamas to have as many Gazans as possible killed[1], was well-planned.

https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/world-news/hamas-faces-backlash-in-gaza-after-official-dismisses-war-dead-as-material-calculations/

Hamas faces backlash in Gaza after top official dismisses war death toll as 'price that must be
paid'

A fat cat senior Hamas official is facing backlash within Gaza after he claimed the growing
Palestinian death toll is nothing more than "material calculations" for the terror group.

In an interview that has now gone viral inside the enclave, Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri, 58,
said the latest estimates of more than 53,000 dead in Gaza are not a concern for his group, the
Times of Israel reported.

"The martyrs [killed in the war] — the wombs of Gaza's women will give birth to twice as many," he
proclaimed. "This is the price that must be paid".

[...]

Abu Zuhri made the comments about the conditions in Gaza while living 1,100 miles away in Qatar.

The spokesman's comments echo those of slain Hamas chief and Oct. 7 mastermind Yahya Sinwar, whose
leaked messages revealed that he thought of the civilian casualties in Gaza as "necessary
sacrifices."

[1] https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf

Hamas' most Common uses of Human Shields Include
------------------------------------------------
* Firing rockets, artillery, and mortars from or in proximity to heavily populated civilian areas, often from or near facilities which should be protected according to the Geneva Convention (e.g. schools, hospitals,
or mosques).

* Locating military or security-related infrastructures such as HQs, bases, armouries, access routes, lathes or defensive positions within or in proximity to civilian areas.

* Protecting terrorists' houses and military facilities, or rescuing terrorists who were besieged or warned by the IDF.

* Combating the IDF from or in proximity to residential and commercial areas, including using civilians for intelligence gathering missions.

By engaging in these acts, Hamas employs a win-win scenario: if indeed the IDF uses kinetic power, and the number of civilian causalities surges, Hamas can use that as a weapon in the lawfare it conducts. It would be able to accuse
the IDF (and Israel) of committing war crimes, which in turn could result in the imposition of a wide array of sanctions. On the other hand, if the IDF limits
its use of military power in Gaza to avoid collateral damage, Hamas will be less
vulnerable to Israeli attacks, and thereby able to protect its assets while continuing to fight.

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

We’ve seen the pattern over and over in Gaza: Israel orders the evacuation of some civilian facility, like a hospital, a school, or an entire residential neighbourhood. Or sometimes they don’t even bother to issue such warnings.

Then they blast the area with a lethal barrage of drones and missiles and bombs and what have you, always from a distance. And causing dozens or hundreds of civilian injuries and deaths, the inevitable excuse for which
is that Hamas is somehow using these innocents as “human shields” for their fighters.

Meanwhile, the victims never even see those who are pushing the buttons
that activate the machines that are killing them. And conversely, the
killers never see the faces of those they are killing. Except perhaps as pictures on a screen, tiny figures like ants maybe, seen from a drone
camera far above, so they don’t look like real people at all.

Call me naïve, but I thought the usual procedure for a military invasion, really the only one that works, is for actual human soldiers to physically enter the territory and take control of it at some point. All this remote- control violence may be useful for preliminary softening up of the target, but not much more than that. It’s also hopelessly imprecise, as witness
the ongoing mounting toll in civilian casualties. As a strategy, all it
can ever achieve is annihilation and slaughter, not conquest. Conquest
means pacification of the territory, so the invading force is now in
charge, and the fighting stops. And that always, sooner or later, requires boots on the ground.

Consider: every time Israel issues an evacuation order, telling civilians
to leave, why do you think any combatants would stay? Seems to me they
would be the most mobile and adaptable of any of those present in the
area, ready to relocate somewhere else at a moment’s notice. While the
ones most likely to be left behind would be the weakest, the least mobile, the most dependent -- the ordinary people, least prepared to be evicted
from their homes or shelters or hospital beds. So when that storm of
deadly force is unleashed, guess who dies? Does Israel really think it is killing a lot of Hamas fighters this way?

In short, the whole “human shields” excuse is just that -- an excuse. To commit slaughter on innocent civilians, while insisting that they try
their best to minimize civilian casualties. Israel is just lying about
having any kind of humane objectives at all -- their whole strategy is specifically and deliberately oriented towards causing civilian casualties
on a massive scale.

Did civilians in Hamburg or Hiroshima see the faces of THEIR killers?


Michael

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On Sun, 25 May 2025 06:35:47 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

* Firing rockets, artillery, and mortars from or in proximity to heavily populated civilian areas, often from or near facilities which should be protected according to the Geneva Convention (e.g. schools, hospitals,
or mosques).

* Locating military or security-related infrastructures such as HQs,
bases, armouries, access routes, lathes or defensive positions within or
in proximity to civilian areas.

Have you noticed where Israel puts its military installations?

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On Sun, 25 May 2025 07:51:43 -0700, Michael Ejercito wrote:

Did civilians in Hamburg or Hiroshima see the faces of THEIR
killers?

Dresden and Hiroshima, too, could be considered war crimes.

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In article <1022nuj$3esd9$3@dont-email.me>,
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 25 May 2025 06:35:47 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

(from a report about Hamas)

* Firing rockets, artillery, and mortars from or in proximity to heavily
populated civilian areas, often from or near facilities which should be
protected according to the Geneva Convention (e.g. schools, hospitals,
or mosques).

* Locating military or security-related infrastructures such as HQs,
bases, armouries, access routes, lathes or defensive positions within or
in proximity to civilian areas.

Have you noticed where Israel puts its military installations?

Under hospitals? Inside schools?

Is Israel firing rockets from parking lots of hospitals, as this
reporter inadvartnetly admitted the Hamas does?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/finnish-tv-rockets-fired-from-gaza-hospital/ Finnish TV: Rockets from Gaza hospital

Why are you such a liar?

Why do you admire the Hamas so much?

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On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 09:37:30 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

In article <1022nuj$3esd9$3@dont-email.me>,
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Have you noticed where Israel puts its military installations?

Under hospitals? Inside schools?

Israel claims Hamas is doing that, yet it never seems to offer any
evidence.

Is Israel firing rockets from parking lots of hospitals, as this
reporter inadvartnetly admitted the Hamas does?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/finnish-tv-rockets-fired-from-gaza-hospital/ Finnish TV: Rockets from Gaza hospital

Funny, I thought Israel didn’t allow foreign media into Gaza ...

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