• More than 400 arrested as third night of violent protest sweeps France

    From Andrew Di Giovanna@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 30 07:59:27 2023
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    XPost: or.politics

    Paris
    CNN

    More than 400 people were arrested across France on Thursday as a wave of protests swept the country for a third night following the fatal police shooting of a teenage boy that was captured on video.

    France’s elite police force, the RAID, were deployed to the cities of
    Bordeaux, Lyon, Roubaix, Marseille and Lille, to help contain the
    protests.

    Confrontations flared up between protesters and police in the Parisian
    suburb of Nanterre – where the 17-year-old named Nahel was killed days
    before – and in the southern port city of Marseille.

    Amid burning debris, “vengeance pour Nael” appeared to be spray painted on
    a wall in Nanterre, which translates to “revenge for Nael” in reference to
    the slain teenager and using an alternative spelling of his name,
    according to footage from the suburb.

    A bank was set on fire in Nanterre, according to photographs from the
    scene, and 15 people have been taken in for questioning by police after a
    march held in memory of the teenager turned violent.

    Protesters threw fireworks at police officers in Marseille, according to
    CNN affiliate BFMTV, while footage from the northern city of Lille showed
    fires burning on streets and running riot police officers. Six people were taken in for questioning after participating in a protest banned by
    authorities in Lille, the regional authority said in a Facebook post.

    At least 421 people were arrested in the protests across France from
    Thursday night into Friday morning, French Interior Minister Gerald
    Darmanin told BFMTV.

    More than half of those arrests took place in the Paris region, in the departments of Hauts-de-Seine, Seine-Saint-Denis and Val-de-Marne, BFMTV reported, citing Paris police.

    Earlier, Darmanin said police were instructed to “intervene
    systematically” and expressed support for the police officers and
    firefighters who “are doing a courageous job.”

    President Emmanuel Macron will hold a crisis meeting Friday for the second
    day in a row following Thursday night’s violence, BFMTV reported.

    Authorities had hoped to avoid a repeat of the scenes that played out
    Wednesday night, when police stations, town halls and schools were set
    alight in various cities and about 150 people were arrested. The Interior Ministry earlier said it planned on deploying 40,000 police officers
    across the country Thursday – including 5,000 in Paris – to quell any
    potential unrest.

    The unrest broke out Tuesday, hours after a police traffic stop in
    Nanterre resulted in the killing of Nahel. Over the course of a chaotic
    night, 40 cars were burned and 24 police officers injured, French
    authorities claimed. The police officer was put under formal investigation
    for voluntary homicide and placed in preliminary detention, BFMTV reported Thursday.

    On Thursday, an estimated 6,000 people, according to BFMTV, joined a march
    to honor Nahel led by his mother in Nanterre.

    Many wore shirts emblazoned with “justice for Nahel,” while others shouted
    the slogan. Some were seen holding signs saying “the police kill.” A
    lawyer for the family on Thursday confirmed the spelling of the boy’s name
    as Nahel; he was initially identified as Naël.

    Buses and tramways in Lille shut down after 8 p.m. local time, according
    to BFMTV, and a couple of Parisian suburbs have installed curfews.

    The mother of 17-year-old Nahel, seen at left on a truck, gestures during
    a march on Thursday.
    Michel Euler/AP

    Bus and tram services were also suspended in the Île-de-France region,
    which includes Paris, from Thursday night, the local transport authority
    said. Government ministers were asked to postpone non-urgent travel and
    remain in Paris due to the protests, a government source told CNN on
    Thursday, speaking on condition of anonymity citing French professional
    norms.

    The violent scenes seen over the past two days have raised concerns that Nahel’s death could lead to a level of unrest and rioting not seen since
    2005, when the deaths of two teenage boys hiding from police sparked three weeks of rioting and prompted the government to call a state of emergency.

    Anger at police brutality
    The video of Nahel’s killing has sparked a similar level of shock and
    anger across France, touching a particular nerve among young men and women
    of color who feel that they have been discriminated against by police. A
    2017 study by the Rights Defenders, an independent human rights watchdog
    in France, found that young men perceived to be Black or Arab were 20
    times more likely to be stopped by police than their peers.

    Many of these individuals are simply “tired,” journalist and racial
    equality activist Rokhaya Diallo told CNN.

    “People know and have been speaking about police brutality and have not
    been heard,” she said.

    The Algerian Foreign Ministry on Thursday extended its condolences to
    Nahel’s family, saying in a statement their “grief and sorrow are widely
    shared in our country” and that it will “closely follow the developments
    of this tragic case.”

    The ministry said it trusts the French government to “carry out their duty
    to protect, assure peace of mind and security which Algerian nationals are entitled to in their host country.”

    French media have reported that the teenager was of Algerian descent.

    Video of the shooting in Nanterre surfaced on social media shortly after
    the incident took place Tuesday morning. The clip shows two police
    officers standing on the driver’s side of a yellow Mercedes AMG, one near
    the door and another near the left front fender. As the car attempts to
    drive away, one officer is seen firing his sidearm.

    The bullet that hit Nahel pierced his arm and chest. After fleeing the
    scene, the car crashed into a stationary object at a nearby plaza. Nahel
    was in the car with two others at the time of the incident. One passenger
    in the vehicle was taken into custody and later released, while another,
    who is believed to have fled the scene, is missing, authorities said.

    This screengrab from video posted on Twitter shows the moment when police interacted with a 17-year-old teen during a traffic stop in a Paris
    suburb.
    From @Ohana_Fgn/Twitter

    The local Nanterre prosecutor, Pascal Prache, said Thursday that the
    officers testified both drew their weapons and pointed them at the driver
    to dissuade him from restarting the engine. The officer who fired his
    weapon said, according to the prosecutor, that he was scared the boy would
    run someone over with the car. However, Prache said it is believed the
    officer accused of shooting and killing Nahel may have acted illegally in
    doing so.

    Lawyers for Nahel’s family slammed the decision not to pursue charges over alleged false statements, claiming the officer said in his initial
    declaration that “young Nahel had tried to run him over with the vehicle.”
    CNN has asked the French national police for a response to the allegations against the unnamed officer.

    Police officers face protesters during clashes that broke out in the
    Parisian suburb of Nanterre on June 29.
    Zakaria Abdelkafi/AFP/Getty Images

    Prache said that Nahel had been known to authorities for a previous
    “breach of rules,” but it is not clear what law or orders that pertains
    to. The teen was expected to appear before a juvenile court in September.

    Laurent-Franck Lienard, the lawyer of the officer accused of shooting
    Nahel, told French radio station RTL that his client acted in “compliance
    of the law.”

    In another interview with BFMTV, he said that any accusations his client
    lied in a statement were false as he had never made a written statement
    and that his verbal testimony did not contradict the facts.

    He claimed his client’s prosecution was “political” and being used as a
    way to calm the violent tensions.

    As to the deadly incident, Lienard said police officers had “struggled for
    30 seconds” to detain the driver while the car had stopped. He added that
    his client feared for the safety of the public as the car had nearly hit pedestrians before the start of the video.

    Lienard said his client was not the person in the video who shouted, “I’ll
    put a bullet in your head,” while also suggesting that might not have been
    what was said.

    He added that his client was “devastated” by Nahel’s death and he did not
    want to kill him. “He committed an act in a second, in a fraction of a
    second. Perhaps he made a mistake, justice will tell,” Liénard said.

    Protesters burn garbage bins and block a street during a protest in Paris
    on June 29.
    Fiachra GIBBONS/AFP/Getty Images

    Questions of racism
    Macron and other government officials, including Prime Minister Elisabeth Borne, have called for patience to allow the criminal justice system to
    run its course.

    “We need calm for justice to carry out its work,” Macron said Wednesday.
    “We can’t allow the situation to worsen.”

    Rallying public support and goodwill, however, is likely to be difficult
    for Macron’s government given how much political capital it spent in the
    first half of 2023 pushing through unpopular pension reforms, which
    sparked months of mostly peaceful mass protests.

    Acknowledging the government’s massive unpopularity, Macron gave himself
    100 days to heal and unite the country. That deadline is up on July 14, France’s national day.

    Firefighters extinguish a fire at an office of French bank Credit Mutuel
    in the Parisian suburb of Nanterre on June 29, 2023.
    Zakaria Abdelkafi/AFP/Getty Images

    Addressing allegations of institutional racism in France is particularly challenging given the country’s unique brand of secularism, which seeks to ensure equality for all by removing markers of difference, rendering all citizens French first. In practice, however, the vigorous adherence to
    French Republicanism often prevents the government from doing anything
    that would appear to differentiate French citizens on the basis of race, including collecting statistics.

    Racial and religious data, where available, typically comes from private institutions, and extra care is typically taken by politicians to avoid circumscribing racial motives to state institutions.

    A protester climbs on a building during clashes that broke out in
    Nanterre.
    Zakaria Abdelkafi/AFP/Getty Images

    “On a general level, people tend to think there is no racism in France.
    And it’s one of the reasons people are so angry, because they feel and experience racism on a daily basis,” said Diallo, the anti-racism
    activist. “Despite that, they still face institutions, public discourse,
    and media which still say that there is no racism and that the race debate
    does not belong in France. And that’s the reason people are so angry and
    so outraged.”

    Government officials have so far not broached questions of racism in the police. Leaders of opposition left-wing parties have focused their
    criticisms on police violence rather than racism. Government spokesman
    Olivier Veran told BFMTV that anger against the state itself, however, is unjustified.

    “It is not the republic that killed this young man,” Veran said. “It is
    one man who must be judged if the justice system deems it necessary.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/29/europe/nanterre-france-police-shooting- protests-intl-hnk/index.html

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to adg@oui.com on Sat Jul 1 09:21:34 2023
    XPost: alt.france, aus.politics, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: or.politics

    On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 07:59:27 -0000 (UTC), Andrew Di Giovanna
    <adg@oui.com> wrote:

    Paris
    CNN

    More than 400 people were arrested across France on Thursday as a wave of >protests swept the country for a third night following the fatal police >shooting of a teenage boy that was captured on video.

    "Teenage boy"? How emotive! Of course too soon to tell if he was a car-thieving gang member, practiced in the craft, feral from a young
    age and living in some marginalizes colored area that surround French
    cities.

    The French are regretting their liberal immigration policies following
    the Algerian brawl of the 1950s.

    But what the heck; anything for a demo and vandalism in the city
    streets to give the gainfully unemployed and randy students something
    to do! After all the one over the pension-age business is getting a
    bit stale.

    France is notorious for city riots, going way back to the Revolution
    of 1789, when at that time Napoleon quelled one with the effective
    "whiff of grapeshot". But now water-cannon will have to do.
    What a pity some sterilizing agent can't be built into tear gas. Woe!

    Racism is reality. And has a biological basis in that a group will
    always protect and augment its members numerically and otherwise.
    Probably the first stage of Darwinian speciation.

    France is stuffed.

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com on Sat Jul 1 11:44:35 2023
    XPost: alt.france, aus.politics, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: or.politics

    On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 11:26:29 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
    Andrew Di Giovanna <adg@oui.com> wrote

    Paris
    CNN

    More than 400 people were arrested across France on Thursday as a wave
    of
    protests swept the country for a third night following the fatal police
    shooting of a teenage boy that was captured on video.

    "Teenage boy"? How emotive! Of course too soon to tell if he was a
    car-thieving

    Corse he was given he was shot in a stolen merc.

    gang member, practiced in the craft, feral from a young
    age and living in some marginalizes colored area that surround French
    cities.

    The French are regretting their liberal immigration policies following
    the Algerian brawl of the 1950s.

    They always had liberal immigration policies, anyone
    from the frog colonys was always free to move to
    france. All the colonys were legally part of france.


    But what the heck; anything for a demo and vandalism in the city
    streets to give the gainfully unemployed and randy students something
    to do! After all the one over the pension-age business is getting a
    bit stale.

    And frogs have always been revolting.

    Yes, I was once in Paris.

    France is notorious for city riots, going way back to the Revolution
    of 1789, when at that time Napoleon quelled one with the effective
    "whiff of grapeshot". But now water-cannon will have to do.
    What a pity some sterilizing agent can't be built into tear gas. Woe!

    Racism is reality. And has a biological basis in that a group will
    always protect and augment its members numerically and otherwise.

    Probably the first stage of Darwinian speciation.

    Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed
    drunken psychotic plastic doll fucker fantasys.

    I'm finding it harder to find empathy in any of your posts'


    France is stuffed.

    You have always been stuffed and so is what you fuck.

    Your attitude will guarantee to drive anyone to drink, psychosis, and
    sexual experimentation.

    I have studied "The Book"...... https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/practice/dsm
    ....to alert me about your sort.

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Sat Jul 1 11:26:29 2023
    XPost: alt.france, aus.politics, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: or.politics

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
    Andrew Di Giovanna <adg@oui.com> wrote

    Paris
    CNN
    —
    More than 400 people were arrested across France on Thursday as a wave
    of
    protests swept the country for a third night following the fatal police
    shooting of a teenage boy that was captured on video.

    "Teenage boy"? How emotive! Of course too soon to tell if he was a car-thieving

    Corse he was given he was shot in a stolen merc.

    gang member, practiced in the craft, feral from a young
    age and living in some marginalizes colored area that surround French
    cities.

    The French are regretting their liberal immigration policies following
    the Algerian brawl of the 1950s.

    They always had liberal immigration policies, anyone
    from the frog colonys was always free to move to
    france. All the colonys were legally part of france.

    But what the heck; anything for a demo and vandalism in the city
    streets to give the gainfully unemployed and randy students something
    to do! After all the one over the pension-age business is getting a
    bit stale.

    And frogs have always been revolting.

    France is notorious for city riots, going way back to the Revolution
    of 1789, when at that time Napoleon quelled one with the effective
    "whiff of grapeshot". But now water-cannon will have to do.
    What a pity some sterilizing agent can't be built into tear gas. Woe!

    Racism is reality. And has a biological basis in that a group will
    always protect and augment its members numerically and otherwise.

    Probably the first stage of Darwinian speciation.

    Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed
    drunken psychotic plastic doll fucker fantasys.

    France is stuffed.

    You have always been stuffed and so is what you fuck.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Sun Jul 2 05:44:30 2023
    XPost: alt.france, aus.politics, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: or.politics

    On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 11:44:35 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 11:26:29 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
    Andrew Di Giovanna <adg@oui.com> wrote

    Paris
    CNN
    —
    More than 400 people were arrested across France on Thursday as a wave >>>> of
    protests swept the country for a third night following the fatal
    police
    shooting of a teenage boy that was captured on video.

    "Teenage boy"? How emotive! Of course too soon to tell if he was a
    car-thieving

    Corse he was given he was shot in a stolen merc.

    gang member, practiced in the craft, feral from a young
    age and living in some marginalizes colored area that surround French
    cities.

    The French are regretting their liberal immigration policies following
    the Algerian brawl of the 1950s.

    They always had liberal immigration policies, anyone
    from the frog colonys was always free to move to
    france. All the colonys were legally part of france.


    But what the heck; anything for a demo and vandalism in the city
    streets to give the gainfully unemployed and randy students something
    to do! After all the one over the pension-age business is getting a
    bit stale.

    And frogs have always been revolting.

    Yes, I was once in Paris.

    France is notorious for city riots, going way back to the Revolution
    of 1789, when at that time Napoleon quelled one with the effective
    "whiff of grapeshot". But now water-cannon will have to do.
    What a pity some sterilizing agent can't be built into tear gas. Woe!

    Racism is reality. And has a biological basis in that a group will
    always protect and augment its members numerically and otherwise.

    Probably the first stage of Darwinian speciation.

    Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed
    drunken psychotic plastic doll fucker fantasys.

    I'm finding it harder to find empathy in any of your posts'

    That's because you are a pathetic little drug
    crazed drunken psychotic plastic doll fucker.

    France is stuffed.

    You have always been stuffed and so is what you fuck.

    Your attitude will guarantee to drive anyone to drink, psychosis, and
    sexual experimentation.

    Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed
    drunken psychotic plastic doll fucker fantasys.

    I have studied "The Book"......

    No such animal.

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Sun Jul 2 05:34:03 2023
    XPost: alt.france, aus.politics, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: or.politics

    On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 11:44:35 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 11:26:29 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
    Andrew Di Giovanna <adg@oui.com> wrote

    Paris
    CNN
    —
    More than 400 people were arrested across France on Thursday as a wave >>>> of
    protests swept the country for a third night following the fatal
    police
    shooting of a teenage boy that was captured on video.

    "Teenage boy"? How emotive! Of course too soon to tell if he was a
    car-thieving

    Corse he was given he was shot in a stolen merc.

    gang member, practiced in the craft, feral from a young
    age and living in some marginalizes colored area that surround French
    cities.

    The French are regretting their liberal immigration policies following
    the Algerian brawl of the 1950s.

    They always had liberal immigration policies, anyone
    from the frog colonys was always free to move to
    france. All the colonys were legally part of france.


    But what the heck; anything for a demo and vandalism in the city
    streets to give the gainfully unemployed and randy students something
    to do! After all the one over the pension-age business is getting a
    bit stale.

    And frogs have always been revolting.

    Yes, I was once in Paris.

    France is notorious for city riots, going way back to the Revolution
    of 1789, when at that time Napoleon quelled one with the effective
    "whiff of grapeshot". But now water-cannon will have to do.
    What a pity some sterilizing agent can't be built into tear gas. Woe!

    Racism is reality. And has a biological basis in that a group will
    always protect and augment its members numerically and otherwise.

    Probably the first stage of Darwinian speciation.

    Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed
    drunken psychotic plastic doll fucker fantasys.

    I'm finding it harder to find empathy in any of your posts'


    France is stuffed.

    You have always been stuffed and so is what you fuck.

    Your attitude will guarantee to drive anyone to drink, psychosis, and
    sexual experimentation.

    I have studied "The Book"...... https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/practice/dsm
    ....to alert me about your sort.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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