• What's going on here?

    From Jenny M Benson@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 31 13:36:30 2022
    According to the Parish Register of Baptisms for St James's, Accrington, Rebecca Rushton, daughter of Robinson Rushton (an Inn keeper in
    Accrington) & Ellen was born on 11 August 1843 and baptized on 16 August
    1843.

    According to the Parish Register of Baptisms for St Bartholomew's, Great Harwood, Rebecca Rushton, daughter of Robinson Rushton (an Inn keeper in Accrington) & Ellen was born on 24 July 1843 and baptized on 06
    September 1843.

    I think we can safely rule out this being 2 different children.
    Robinson and Ellen had all their other children baptized at Great
    Harwood so why was their last baptized in Accrington AND in Gt Harwood?
    And who made the mistake in the birth date?

    --
    Jenny M Benson
    Wrexham, UK

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  • From john@21:1/5 to Jenny M Benson on Mon Oct 31 15:35:22 2022
    On 31/10/2022 14:36, Jenny M Benson wrote:
    According to the Parish Register of Baptisms for St James's, Accrington, Rebecca Rushton, daughter of Robinson Rushton (an Inn keeper in
    Accrington) & Ellen was born on 11 August 1843 and baptized on 16 August 1843.

    According to the Parish Register of Baptisms for St Bartholomew's, Great Harwood, Rebecca Rushton, daughter of Robinson Rushton (an Inn keeper in Accrington) & Ellen was born on 24 July 1843 and baptized on 06
    September 1843.

    I think we can safely rule out this being 2 different children. Robinson
    and Ellen had all their other children baptized at Great Harwood so why
    was their last baptized in Accrington AND in Gt Harwood? And who made
    the mistake in the birth date?


    Perhaps Ellen was visiting parents or close friends at the time of birth?

    The Accrington baptism may have been because Rebecca was a weak baby and
    they wanted her baptised (Wed 15 Aug) before she died?

    Then baptised again (Sun 10 not 6 Sept) when back at home with all
    family and friends?

    So I'd suspect the birth was on Fri 11 Aug and the Mon 24 July given
    later was just due to wrongly counting back weeks. But the birth
    certificate would, hopefully, confirm?

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  • From Charles Ellson@21:1/5 to NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk on Wed Nov 9 04:19:54 2022
    On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 13:36:30 +0000, Jenny M Benson
    <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

    According to the Parish Register of Baptisms for St James's, Accrington, >Rebecca Rushton, daughter of Robinson Rushton (an Inn keeper in
    Accrington) & Ellen was born on 11 August 1843 and baptized on 16 August >1843.

    According to the Parish Register of Baptisms for St Bartholomew's, Great >Harwood, Rebecca Rushton, daughter of Robinson Rushton (an Inn keeper in >Accrington) & Ellen was born on 24 July 1843 and baptized on 06
    September 1843.

    I think we can safely rule out this being 2 different children.

    Only if I could be absolutely sure there aren't two innkeepers
    (cousins?).

    Robinson and Ellen had all their other children baptized at Great
    Harwood so why was their last baptized in Accrington AND in Gt Harwood?
    And who made the mistake in the birth date?

    Usually the parish clerk. Maybe a second baptism at the other spouse's
    parish with an incorrect calculation of the birth "x weeks ago" or
    simply fouling things up by trying to do the dates from memory. The
    latter can be fun if something else (e.g. a birth registration) shows
    a baptism to be premature to birth.

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  • From Athel Cornish-Bowden@21:1/5 to Jenny M Benson on Fri Nov 11 14:35:17 2022
    On 2022-10-31 13:36:30 +0000, Jenny M Benson said:

    According to the Parish Register of Baptisms for St James's,
    Accrington, Rebecca Rushton, daughter of Robinson Rushton (an Inn
    keeper in Accrington) & Ellen was born on 11 August 1843 and baptized
    on 16 August 1843.

    According to the Parish Register of Baptisms for St Bartholomew's,
    Great Harwood, Rebecca Rushton, daughter of Robinson Rushton (an Inn
    keeper in Accrington) & Ellen was born on 24 July 1843 and baptized on
    06 September 1843.

    I think we can safely rule out this being 2 different children.
    Robinson and Ellen had all their other children baptized at Great
    Harwood so why was their last baptized in Accrington AND in Gt Harwood?
    And who made the mistake in the birth date?

    I doubt whether there is any mystery about how the errors came to be
    made. We need to remember that the people responsible for preparing the
    entries may not be very intelligent, well educated, and highly trained
    (or well paid), and in most cases they don't know the families
    concerned.

    Not long ago I needed a copy of my father's birth certificate for some
    French administrative purpose. He was born in Sydney, Nova Scotia, in
    1908. I suspect that at that time Nova Scotia was more primitive than
    England, but maybe not all that much. They didn't issue birth
    certificates in 1908, but I obtained a photocopy of the entry in the
    official register. There I found:

    1. My father's second given name was so garbled as to be unrecognizable;

    2. His mother's name omitted the given name she actually used;

    3. His father was listed as a steel worker, which he never was, not
    even approximately;

    4. His place of birth was misspelt;

    5. The name of the person making the return (my grandmother) included a
    phantom initial.

    --
    Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Athel Cornish-Bowden on Fri Dec 2 15:59:19 2022
    On 11/11/2022 13:35, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
    I doubt whether there is any mystery about how the errors came to be
    made. We need to remember that the people responsible for preparing the entries may not be very intelligent, well educated, and highly trained
    (or well paid), and in most cases they don't know the families
    concerned.


    I suspect that in the French speaking areas of Canada there might be a
    bit of blody-mindedness.

    My Great Great Grandparents married in Quebec in the 1840s. Just about
    every detail is wrong, perhaps the French speaking clerk could not
    understand a Yorkshire and possible an Irish accent but my suspicion is
    that it was bloody-mindedness.


    <https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1091/images/d13p_1690A0621?pId=7235896>

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