In message <ul3voc$2khr9$1@dont-email.me> at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 09:18:04,
Geoff <onlyme101@btinternet.com> writes

J. P. Gilliver wrote:

In message <ukvhpi$1qfel$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 8 Dec 2023
16:55:14, Geoff <onlyme101@btinternet.com> writes []

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https://www.portablefreeware.com/index.php?id=922

Geoff

What is it, a GEDCOM editor/viewer?

Yes, exactly that, a very simple one but you able able to scroll the
tree around the screen in the same way as Ancestry etc. I just keep
it open on another tab while doing other things. I've been using it
for over 20 years. You can edit on it but I just use it as a quick
go-to instead of losing my place on my main package. Also has a column >listing all the names in your tree. Oh yes, and it's free.

Thanks: I had a look, and also looks a good starter: the fact that it
uses GEDCOM natively means anyone who starts with it can import it into something more sophisticated without having to start over, so I've
recommended it to someone. (I'm sure there are many others similar - a
friend uses GRAMPS, which I think is also GEDCOM-based, and might be multi-platform.)
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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In message <ul9a11$3jtq0$2@dont-email.me> at Tue, 12 Dec 2023 09:44:00,
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> writes

On 12/12/2023 03:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

There was a major diaspora from Norfolk to Northumberland and Durham
when mining really got going (sort of late 19th century) - I think the >>mining companies may even have run special trains. Not sure it went as
far as Borders, though. I know some of my family (Neave and other
names) got caught up in it.

From what I remember (it was some years ago) it was a large landowner
moving agricultural workers. I don't remember any mention of mining.

Ah, that might be more correct for specific trains: would make more
sense for a specific landowner. But I think in general there was a
considerable movement from agriculture - and agricultural areas - when
the industrial revolution and subsequent developments were in swing,
just because of jobs: agricultural employment opportunities remained
fairly static (or even were reduced by some of the mechanisation),
whereas industry - and mining - were growing.

Part of my Welsh family moved from mid-Wales to the North East of
England because of the coal mining and iron and steel works (via
Merthyr Tydfil).

Mine from (mostly north) Norfolk to mostly south Northumberland
(Bedlington and environs).

If you look in the late 19th Century censuses, there are whole streets
full of Welsh people in places like Middlesbrough, Stockton ..

There's an excellent (long!) essay at the Durham Mining Museum site
about it (and much else). dmm.org.uk - despite the name, it covers much
of mining nationally. Especially disasters (if an ancestor of yours was
killed in any such, there's a fair chance you'll find an individual
entry for him there), but much other info too (such as an explanation of
terms, such as hewer [fairly obvious], putter, banksman, trapper, and so
on).


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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Never make the same mistake twice...there are so many new ones to make!

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On 12/12/2023 11:35, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

Ah, that might be more correct for specific trains: would make more
sense for a specific landowner. But I think in general there was a considerable movement from agriculture - and agricultural areas - when
the industrial revolution and subsequent developments were in swing,
just because of jobs: agricultural employment opportunities remained
fairly static (or even were reduced by some of the mechanisation),
whereas industry - and mining - were growing.

There was a lot of movement from agricultural areas as farming became
less dependent on manual labour. I have seen mentions of mills and
factories in the Midlands and North of England advertising in these area
for workers.

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In message <147b8cb7533aaf2e0fe7680665e6b9ee@news.novabbs.com> at Sat,
23 Dec 2023 23:31:28, miked <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes

john wrote:

On 08/12/2023 15:42, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

In message <ukuv4r$1nkf0$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 8 Dec 2023
06:36:58, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> writes
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After the England/Wales 1921 census are there any major databases to
add which would attract researchers? I doubt many "millennials" will
be interested (and their parents/grandparents will possibly already
have done significant research?) It is mainly filling gaps so they
will have to invent "gimmicks" to keep the money flowing in.

dunno if this is already answered but they do hold the 1939 register, >although anyone deemed still alive when it was uploaded is redacted,
but i've found it very useful even so. Personally I find ancestry

Both have it - and it may still be that only FMP have the facility to
tell them someone's died and thus have their record un-redacted (that
was certainly originally the case).

much more informative than FMP; ancestry generally finds more accurate
hits than FMP, but occasionally FMP finds something ancestry cant.

They each have better parish record scans than the other for some
counties (LostCousins very occasionally does a list of which has which
county), though I think some are increasingly on both).

My main gripe with ancestry is that sometimes sources I find 1 day seem to >vanish or not come up when I search for them another day, plus there
is the problem with all digital collections, they depend on the
efficiency of the scanner and the state of the original document.

I find FMP's instant-hit counter very useful - plus they accept more
versatile wildcards.

Sometimes names are terribly mangled. Thats why I find UK govt
proposals to destroy millions of old wills and just rely on
digital versions quite alarming.

I mostly agree - though in cases where the scan is more than adequate to capture every last nuance of the original (which certainly isn't the
case for black-and-white high contrast scans of old microfilms!), there
may be some validity. (There needs to be adequate provision for periodic refresh of the digital images, of course, so it's not a no-cost option!)

Mike

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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Play dirty. If a fellow contestant asks the audience if they've got any requests for what he or she should play, reply, "Yeah... Monopoly."

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