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  • Re: Dorothy Vernon of Maldon, Essex

    From Darrell E. Larocque@21:1/5 to leslie...@gmail.com on Tue Jan 11 20:10:25 2022
    On Friday, November 21, 2014 at 8:45:27 PM UTC-5, leslie...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, May 16, 2014 9:53:29 AM UTC-7, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:


    Here is a line of descent from Malachi Browning down to Hannah Brown, herself the apparent great-grandmother of Hannibal Hamlin, 15th vice president of the U.S.

    http://fabpedigree.com/s061/f082182.htm
    Notice, however, that in Banks' History of Martha's Vineyard,
    regarding the wife of John Pease,
    "there is a family tradition that her maiden name was Browning,
    and presumably daughter of Malachi Browning of this town."

    http://books.google.com/books?id=7ZAlAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA102&dq=presumably+daughter+of+Malachi+Browning&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GelvVKuRIYKoNuS-gZgK&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=presumably%20daughter%20of%20Malachi%20Browning&f=false

    The account of the family of Malachi Browning in that same
    publication makes no mention at all of the Pease family:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=7ZAlAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA48&dq=joseph+collier+1648+mary+browning&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JupvVMuvCMabgwS3tYIo&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=joseph%20collier%201648%20mary%20browning&f=false

    Leslie

    There is another connection from John Pease to Malachi Browning:

    A daughter of Malachi, Susannah, married William Vincent (or Vinson), and their granddaughter Abigail Vincent married Nathaniel Pease, grandson of John Pease and Lucy Weston, his other wife.

    So it is not a stretch to consider that Mary might have indeed been a daughter of Malachi- Edgartown was a very small place.

    Darrell E. Larocque

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Darrell E. Larocque on Wed Jan 12 12:40:48 2022
    On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 8:10:26 PM UTC-8, Darrell E. Larocque wrote:
    On Friday, November 21, 2014 at 8:45:27 PM UTC-5, leslie...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, May 16, 2014 9:53:29 AM UTC-7, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:


    Here is a line of descent from Malachi Browning down to Hannah Brown, herself the apparent great-grandmother of Hannibal Hamlin, 15th vice president of the U.S.

    http://fabpedigree.com/s061/f082182.htm
    Notice, however, that in Banks' History of Martha's Vineyard,
    regarding the wife of John Pease,
    "there is a family tradition that her maiden name was Browning,
    and presumably daughter of Malachi Browning of this town."

    http://books.google.com/books?id=7ZAlAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA102&dq=presumably+daughter+of+Malachi+Browning&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GelvVKuRIYKoNuS-gZgK&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=presumably%20daughter%20of%20Malachi%20Browning&f=false

    The account of the family of Malachi Browning in that same
    publication makes no mention at all of the Pease family:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=7ZAlAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA48&dq=joseph+collier+1648+mary+browning&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JupvVMuvCMabgwS3tYIo&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=joseph%20collier%201648%20mary%20browning&f=false

    Leslie
    There is another connection from John Pease to Malachi Browning:

    A daughter of Malachi, Susannah, married William Vincent (or Vinson), and their granddaughter Abigail Vincent married Nathaniel Pease, grandson of John Pease and Lucy Weston, his other wife.

    So it is not a stretch to consider that Mary might have indeed been a daughter of Malachi- Edgartown was a very small place.

    Darrell E. Larocque

    I note that there is a proposal to change the name of Lucy "Weston" to Lucy Unknown
    as she was the daughter-in-law not daughter to Francis Weston.

    In a court record dated 1635 Robert Anderson author of the Great Migration series amended to say "mother [in law] Mrs Weston"

    'Banks called Lucy the daughter of Mrs. Weston. "It is therefore certain that our John Pease married Lucy, the daughter of Mrs. Margaret Weston, wife of Francis Weston." In a second passage, he clarifies the conclusion regarding her relationship to
    Weston saying, "In a few years, Weston himself became a desciple of Gorton, and his step-dughter, Lucy Pease, likewise ..." With this clarification, Banks never did attribute the surname Weston to Lucy. Nonetheless, Anderson's clarification still
    updates the record to show that Francis' wife was also not Lucy's mother. '


    https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/94525/proposal-change-last-name-birth-lucy-first-immigrant-pease

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Darrell E. Larocque@21:1/5 to wjhons...@gmail.com on Thu Jan 13 16:28:33 2022
    On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 3:40:50 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 8:10:26 PM UTC-8, Darrell E. Larocque wrote:
    On Friday, November 21, 2014 at 8:45:27 PM UTC-5, leslie...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, May 16, 2014 9:53:29 AM UTC-7, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:


    Here is a line of descent from Malachi Browning down to Hannah Brown, herself the apparent great-grandmother of Hannibal Hamlin, 15th vice president of the U.S.

    http://fabpedigree.com/s061/f082182.htm
    Notice, however, that in Banks' History of Martha's Vineyard,
    regarding the wife of John Pease,
    "there is a family tradition that her maiden name was Browning,
    and presumably daughter of Malachi Browning of this town."

    http://books.google.com/books?id=7ZAlAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA102&dq=presumably+daughter+of+Malachi+Browning&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GelvVKuRIYKoNuS-gZgK&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=presumably%20daughter%20of%20Malachi%20Browning&f=false

    The account of the family of Malachi Browning in that same
    publication makes no mention at all of the Pease family:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=7ZAlAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA48&dq=joseph+collier+1648+mary+browning&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JupvVMuvCMabgwS3tYIo&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=joseph%20collier%201648%20mary%20browning&f=false

    Leslie
    There is another connection from John Pease to Malachi Browning:

    A daughter of Malachi, Susannah, married William Vincent (or Vinson), and their granddaughter Abigail Vincent married Nathaniel Pease, grandson of John Pease and Lucy Weston, his other wife.

    So it is not a stretch to consider that Mary might have indeed been a daughter of Malachi- Edgartown was a very small place.

    Darrell E. Larocque
    I note that there is a proposal to change the name of Lucy "Weston" to Lucy Unknown
    as she was the daughter-in-law not daughter to Francis Weston.

    In a court record dated 1635 Robert Anderson author of the Great Migration series amended to say "mother [in law] Mrs Weston"

    'Banks called Lucy the daughter of Mrs. Weston. "It is therefore certain that our John Pease married Lucy, the daughter of Mrs. Margaret Weston, wife of Francis Weston." In a second passage, he clarifies the conclusion regarding her relationship to
    Weston saying, "In a few years, Weston himself became a desciple of Gorton, and his step-dughter, Lucy Pease, likewise ..." With this clarification, Banks never did attribute the surname Weston to Lucy. Nonetheless, Anderson's clarification still updates
    the record to show that Francis' wife was also not Lucy's mother. '


    https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/94525/proposal-change-last-name-birth-lucy-first-immigrant-pease

    Thank you for this! As I have found far too often, the countless sources over the course of the last 200 plus years regarding New England ancestry are just full of inaccuracies and have frustrated me countless times. This doesn't surprise me one bit, and
    the sheer work involved in correcting the seemingly never ending inaccuracies is daunting, and Banks is not the exception, not by a long shot.

    My intention was to show that an association between the Pease and Browning families had existed through marriage, but I have nothing to offer beyond that.

    Darrell

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
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