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  • Re: A line new to Genealogics from Molesworth to today

    From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 15 08:51:53 2022
    Robert Mason and Sarah Monck had at least two children, sons, although perhaps more

    The elder son is in Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Monck_Mason
    John Monck Mason, where they give him a birth year of 1726

    He had a younger brother Henry Monck Mason Lt Col
    whom we see mentioned here in a bio of his own son

    https://www.dib.ie/biography/mason-henry-joseph-monck-a5493

    and here in Burke's

    https://books.google.com/books?id=FlI4AQAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=henry%20monck%20mason%20lt%20col&pg=PA838#v=onepage&q=henry%20monck%20mason%20lt%20col&f=false

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 15 08:35:53 2022
    Mary Molesworth, second daughter, is famous in her own right as a poetess enough to make the old DNB and an entry in Wikipedia for herself as well

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Monck,_Mary
    https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00134865&tree=LEO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Monck

    her husband is called "George /Monck/ of St Stephens' Green, Dublin"
    he died in 1726
    she was his first wife, by whom, two daughters and a son

    The elder of the two daughters Sarah Monck

    more to follow...

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 15 08:28:54 2022
    https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00134865&tree=LEO

    Mary Molesworth
    daughter of
    Robert Molesworth, 1st Viscount /Molesworth/ , G d 22 May 1725 Brackanstown, Swords, co Dublin
    and his wife
    Leticia /Coote/ d 17 Mar 1730 Brackanstown, Swords, co Dublin

    Mary married George /Monck/
    Leo has no date for their marriage however
    Familysearch.org cites
    Ireland, Diocesan and Prerogative Marriage License Bonds Indexes, 1623-1866
    in stating a date of 1698

    Name Mary Molesworth
    Spouse's Name George Monck
    Marriage Date 1698
    Marriage Place Ireland
    Note Prerogative Court

    More to follow.....

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 15 09:11:50 2022
    We can now return to https://www.dib.ie/biography/mason-henry-joseph-monck-a5493
    to get more details on the life of
    Henry Joseph /Monck Mason/ , esq, LL.D.; writer
    born 15 Jul 1778
    Powerscourt; third son
    died 14 Apr 1858
    buried at Powerscourt

    I should mention, for those who follow such things, that this line are descendants of Edward III
    specifically through Leticia Coote, the wife of
    Robert Molesworth, 1st Viscount /Molesworth/ , G

    and yes, we *will* eventually, if my hunch is correct, get to the family of someone quite famous

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 15 09:24:55 2022
    Henry Monck Mason was married twice
    His second wife being Jane /Mosse/ daughter of
    Bartholomew /Mosse/ , founder of the Rotunda Hospital, Dublin; DW

    Bartholomew's own biographiies give us details like
    born 1712 Maryborough (now Portlaoise), Ireland
    died 16 Feb 1759 Dublin, Ireland

    that his daughter Jane was born in 1746
    daughter of his second wife and apparently cousin Jane /Wittingham/

    https://books.google.com/books?id=FlI4AQAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=henry%20monck%20mason%20lt%20col&pg=PA838#v=onepage&q=henry%20monck%20mason%20lt%20col&f=false

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Mosse,_Bartholomew

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartholomew_Mosse

    https://www.dib.ie/biography/mason-henry-joseph-monck-a5493

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 15 09:45:23 2022
    Henry Joseph Monck Mason married
    Anne Langrishe in Apr 1816

    http://www.thepeerage.com/p34481.htm#i344802

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Mason,_Henry_Joseph_Monck

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Joseph_Monck_Mason

    https://www.dib.ie/biography/mason-henry-joseph-monck-a5493

    https://books.google.com/books?id=p0SjdgaKaAkC&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=anne%20langrishe%20monck%20mason&pg=PA17#v=onepage&q=anne%20langrishe%20monck%20mason&f=false

    She was the daughter of
    Robert /Langrishe/ , Knt and 2nd Bnt
    by his wife
    Anne /Boyle/

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Sat Jan 15 10:04:08 2022
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 9:45:24 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    Henry Joseph Monck Mason married
    Anne Langrishe in Apr 1816


    Henry and Anne had exactly six children, the youngest daughter died young and unmarried however the others were

    Henry /Monck Mason/ eldest son
    Robert Boyle /Monck Mason/ , of Woolhampton (as Rector)
    Anne /Monck Mason/ eldest daughter
    Jane /Monck Mason/
    Isabella /Monck Mason/


    This eldest daughter Anne m
    J L /Moore/ , Vice Provost of Trinity College, Dublin

    https://books.google.com/books?id=p0SjdgaKaAkC&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=anne%20langrishe%20monck%20mason&pg=PA21#v=onepage&q=anne%20langrishe%20monck%20mason&f=false

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Sat Jan 15 10:08:49 2022
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:04:09 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:


    This eldest daughter Anne m
    J L /Moore/ , Vice Provost of Trinity College, Dublin

    https://books.google.com/books?id=p0SjdgaKaAkC&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=anne%20langrishe%20monck%20mason&pg=PA21#v=onepage&q=anne%20langrishe%20monck%20mason&f=false

    This man John Lewis Moore was Senior Dean in 1851
    and Vice Provost 1867-1876

    https://www.tcd.ie/seniordean/about/pastdeans/

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Sat Jan 15 10:42:41 2022
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:33:48 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:

    Name John Lewis, Rev. Moore
    Sex Male
    Spouse's Name Anne Mason
    Spouse's Sex Female
    Marriage Date 1840
    Marriage Place Newry, County Down, Ireland
    Marriage Place (Original) Newry, Down, Ireland
    Source Details Dublin Act or Grant Books

    And the Rev John Lewis Moore was buried in 1875 (6?) in Newry

    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HPXF-ZFMM

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Sat Jan 15 10:33:46 2022
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:08:50 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    This man John Lewis Moore was Senior Dean in 1851
    and Vice Provost 1867-1876

    https://www.tcd.ie/seniordean/about/pastdeans/

    We can know that John Lewis Moore and Anne Monck Mason must have married by 1847 at the lastest as
    we have an M.I.
    for
    Robert /Moore/ fourth son
    died 26 Oct 1870 "in his 21st year" M.I. St Mark's Lucerne

    Now comes familysearch.org again
    citing "Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898"

    Name John Lewis, Rev. Moore
    Sex Male
    Spouse's Name Anne Mason
    Spouse's Sex Female
    Marriage Date 1840
    Marriage Place Newry, County Down, Ireland
    Marriage Place (Original) Newry, Down, Ireland
    Source Details Dublin Act or Grant Books

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Sat Jan 15 10:47:38 2022
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:42:42 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:33:48 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:

    Name John Lewis, Rev. Moore
    Sex Male
    Spouse's Name Anne Mason
    Spouse's Sex Female
    Marriage Date 1840
    Marriage Place Newry, County Down, Ireland
    Marriage Place (Original) Newry, Down, Ireland
    Source Details Dublin Act or Grant Books
    And the Rev John Lewis Moore was buried in 1875 (6?) in Newry

    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HPXF-ZFMM

    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9TM1-H2D?i=285&cc=1921305&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKZ5W-JZJ

    Ireland Calendar of Wills...dministrations, 1858-1920 Calendar of Wills and Administrations 1876
    telling us that John Lewis Moore died 25 Nov 1876 in South Dublin
    testate
    "was proved by the oath of Anne widow and sole executrix"

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  • From Leslie Mahler@21:1/5 to wjhons...@gmail.com on Sat Jan 15 11:10:54 2022
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:47:39 AM UTC-8, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:42:42 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:33:48 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:

    Name John Lewis, Rev. Moore
    Sex Male
    Spouse's Name Anne Mason
    Spouse's Sex Female
    Marriage Date 1840
    Marriage Place Newry, County Down, Ireland
    Marriage Place (Original) Newry, Down, Ireland
    Source Details Dublin Act or Grant Books
    And the Rev John Lewis Moore was buried in 1875 (6?) in Newry

    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HPXF-ZFMM
    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9TM1-H2D?i=285&cc=1921305&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKZ5W-JZJ

    Ireland Calendar of Wills...dministrations, 1858-1920 Calendar of Wills and Administrations 1876
    telling us that John Lewis Moore died 25 Nov 1876 in South Dublin
    testate
    "was proved by the oath of Anne widow and sole executrix"


    This person is also a descendant of George Monck & Mary Molesworth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Street

    But he is not connected yet: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00492190&tree=LEO

    Leslie

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 15 11:29:14 2022
    That the "Rev J L Moore, DD, Vice Provost" (as stated Belfast Newsletter) did indeed have a son named "Lewis Moore"

    https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/79529027/person/112349635627/hints
    Belfast, Northern Ireland, The Belfast Newsletter (Birth, Marriage and Death Notices), 1738-1925

    "Moore-Johnston, Oct 15 [so said Dec 1870] at St John's Church, Tricholnopoly [?]... Lewis Moore, esq , Madras Civil Service, son of the Rev. J L Moore, DD, Vice Provost, to Edith, second daughter of William Johnston... Deputy Inspector of Hospitals,
    Madras"

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Leslie Mahler on Sat Jan 15 11:15:52 2022
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 11:10:55 AM UTC-8, Leslie Mahler wrote:
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:47:39 AM UTC-8, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:42:42 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:33:48 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:

    Name John Lewis, Rev. Moore
    Sex Male
    Spouse's Name Anne Mason
    Spouse's Sex Female
    Marriage Date 1840
    Marriage Place Newry, County Down, Ireland
    Marriage Place (Original) Newry, Down, Ireland
    Source Details Dublin Act or Grant Books
    And the Rev John Lewis Moore was buried in 1875 (6?) in Newry


    The Belfast Newsletter states

    https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/2193/images/32509_260476-04912?lang=en-US&pId=57358

    On the 15th inst [Jul 1840-ed], at Powerscourt Church the Rev John Lewis Moore to Anne eldest daughter of Henry J Monck Mason esq

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 15 11:37:35 2022
    Lewis Moore rose in the Civil Service so high as to became Justice of the Madras High Court
    He "died suddenly" Hotel Metropole, London; "aged 59" on 14 May 1907



    https://books.google.com/books?id=6xpdAAAAIAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=%22lewis%20moore%22%20justice%20madras&pg=RA1-PA124#v=onepage&q=%22lewis%20moore%22%20justice%20madras&f=false

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Sat Jan 15 11:41:20 2022
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 11:37:37 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    Lewis Moore rose in the Civil Service so high as to became Justice of the Madras High Court
    He "died suddenly" Hotel Metropole, London; "aged 59" on 14 May 1907



    https://books.google.com/books?id=6xpdAAAAIAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=%22lewis%20moore%22%20justice%20madras&pg=RA1-PA124#v=onepage&q=%22lewis%20moore%22%20justice%20madras&f=false

    His wife Edith has predeceased him
    His administration (with Will) (Limited) is being granted to who I presume now to be two of his children (if not all of them) Pierce Langrishe Moore and Edith Violet Moore

    https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/5045901:1904?ssrc=pt&tid=79529027&pid=112349635627

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 15 11:49:23 2022
    It seems at the moment like all of Lewis' children were most likely born in India

    We see a son Cecil

    https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1379915:9899
    India, Select Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947

    born 24 Sep 1878
    baptised 23 Oct 1878 Trichinopoly, Madras, India

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  • From John Higgins@21:1/5 to wjhons...@gmail.com on Sat Jan 15 12:04:05 2022
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 11:49:25 AM UTC-8, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
    It seems at the moment like all of Lewis' children were most likely born in India

    We see a son Cecil

    https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1379915:9899
    India, Select Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947

    born 24 Sep 1878
    baptised 23 Oct 1878 Trichinopoly, Madras, India
    How exactly is any or all of this on-topic in a medieval-genealogy group?

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Sat Jan 15 12:50:58 2022
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 11:49:25 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    It seems at the moment like all of Lewis' children were most likely born in India

    We see a son Cecil

    https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1379915:9899
    India, Select Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947

    born 24 Sep 1878
    baptised 23 Oct 1878 Trichinopoly, Madras, India

    Cecil Moore
    m1 (divorced 1912) Lillian Stewart
    m2 Alice Mona Bath
    17 Jan 1918 Jaunpur, Bengal, India

    They were the parents of Philip Brian Cecil Moore born 6 APR 1921

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Sat Jan 15 13:12:39 2022
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:58:45 PM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    They were the parents of Philip Brian Cecil Moore born 6 APR 1921
    Perhaps better known as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Moore,_Baron_Moore_of_Wolvercote

    I mean he is famous, but perhaps not quite as famous as the fact that
    after his marriage to
    Joan Ursula Greenup
    b 20 Mar 1925 Enniskillin, Ireland
    the daughter of Maurice Edwin Greenop and his wife Sheila McGuire

    they had at least one child, a daughter Jill G Moore born in 1951 in Surrey who, in 1971 in Westminster married a certain Peter Brian Gabriel

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Gabriel

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Sat Jan 15 12:58:44 2022
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:50:59 PM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 11:49:25 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    It seems at the moment like all of Lewis' children were most likely born in India

    We see a son Cecil

    https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1379915:9899
    India, Select Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947

    born 24 Sep 1878
    baptised 23 Oct 1878 Trichinopoly, Madras, India
    Cecil Moore
    m1 (divorced 1912) Lillian Stewart
    m2 Alice Mona Bath
    17 Jan 1918 Jaunpur, Bengal, India

    They were the parents of Philip Brian Cecil Moore born 6 APR 1921

    Perhaps better known as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Moore,_Baron_Moore_of_Wolvercote

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  • From John Higgins@21:1/5 to wjhons...@gmail.com on Sat Jan 15 14:53:55 2022
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 1:12:40 PM UTC-8, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:58:45 PM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    They were the parents of Philip Brian Cecil Moore born 6 APR 1921
    Perhaps better known as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Moore,_Baron_Moore_of_Wolvercote
    I mean he is famous, but perhaps not quite as famous as the fact that
    after his marriage to
    Joan Ursula Greenup
    b 20 Mar 1925 Enniskillin, Ireland
    the daughter of Maurice Edwin Greenop and his wife Sheila McGuire

    they had at least one child, a daughter Jill G Moore born in 1951 in Surrey who, in 1971 in Westminster married a certain Peter Brian Gabriel

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Gabriel
    [yawn] All this effort - for just this? And not at all on-topic here....

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