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  • Royal Descents for the Huntington-Whiteley Baronets

    From Leslie Mahler@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 17 22:16:54 2022
    The ancestry of the Huntington-Whiteley Baronets, as recorded by Burke, does not show any
    obvious connection to established gentry families. See for example, the entries at The Peerage
    website:
    https://www.thepeerage.com/p50971.htm#i509702
    and also the pedigree here: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00179932&tree=LEO

    Information collected on Wikitree identifies the 1st Baronet's wife Florence Huntington as
    the daughter of Emily Louisa King, whose mother was Bertha Welby: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Huntington-Whitley-1

    Many of the census returns and civil registration records cited there
    are available on Ancestry.com, but not on Family Search.

    Florence's parents William Balle Huntington & Emily Louisa King were married in 1869,
    in Islington, London:
    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2D2M-7QV

    Florence's grandfather George Seymour King was married to Bertha Welby,
    5 Sept. 1842 in Florence, Italy: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:CXML-WTMM

    George Seymour King and his family were recorded in the 1851 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:SGXX-DRW
    Bertha's birthplace is wrongly transcribed as "Randley" - the correct place name is Rauceby.

    She was baptized at Rauceby 10 Dec. 1822 as Bertha, daughter of Mary Hutchinson:
    https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:JWCJ-WSW

    Bertha's mother was Mary Hutchinson, mistress of Adlard Welby.
    Bertha was named as daughter Bertha King in the will of Adlard Welby, esquire, proved 15 May 1861:
    https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/search-results

    Adlard lived from 1776-1871. Details of his 19 children are given here, on page 105 of volume 1:
    https://leicester.figshare.com/articles/thesis/An_edition_of_the_journals_of_Adlard_Welby/10137968/1

    The ancestry of Adlard Welby is outlined here: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00240036&tree=LEO

    With a fuller treatment in Lincolnshire Pedigrees, volume 4: https://archive.org/details/lincolnshirepedi04madd/page/1505/mode/2up


    Their ancestor here: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00268932&tree=LEO
    was actually John Williams married to Selina Worsley, as recorded here: https://archive.org/details/lincolnshirepedi03madd/page/682/mode/2up

    Selina was a daughter of this Richard Worsley & Mary Harington, who were
    both descendants of Henry II: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00670944&tree=LEO

    Richard's will only names one of his children, but he states that they were all by his wife Mary:
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D943174

    Selina was bapt. at Maxey, Northamptonshire, 2 Aug. 1588: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSTQ-95K

    and married there 29 Nov. 1607: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK7J-2V4

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  • From JBrand@21:1/5 to Leslie Mahler on Sat Jun 18 07:13:42 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:16:57 AM UTC-4, Leslie Mahler wrote:
    The ancestry of the Huntington-Whiteley Baronets, as recorded by Burke, does not show any
    obvious connection to established gentry families. See for example, the entries at The Peerage
    website:
    https://www.thepeerage.com/p50971.htm#i509702
    and also the pedigree here: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00179932&tree=LEO

    Information collected on Wikitree identifies the 1st Baronet's wife Florence Huntington as
    the daughter of Emily Louisa King, whose mother was Bertha Welby: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Huntington-Whitley-1

    Many of the census returns and civil registration records cited there
    are available on Ancestry.com, but not on Family Search.

    Florence's parents William Balle Huntington & Emily Louisa King were married in 1869,
    in Islington, London:
    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2D2M-7QV

    Florence's grandfather George Seymour King was married to Bertha Welby,
    5 Sept. 1842 in Florence, Italy: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:CXML-WTMM

    George Seymour King and his family were recorded in the 1851 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:SGXX-DRW
    Bertha's birthplace is wrongly transcribed as "Randley" - the correct place name is Rauceby.

    She was baptized at Rauceby 10 Dec. 1822 as Bertha, daughter of Mary Hutchinson:
    https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:JWCJ-WSW

    Bertha's mother was Mary Hutchinson, mistress of Adlard Welby.
    Bertha was named as daughter Bertha King in the will of Adlard Welby, esquire, proved 15 May 1861:
    https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/search-results

    Adlard lived from 1776-1871. Details of his 19 children are given here, on page 105 of volume 1:
    https://leicester.figshare.com/articles/thesis/An_edition_of_the_journals_of_Adlard_Welby/10137968/1

    The ancestry of Adlard Welby is outlined here: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00240036&tree=LEO

    With a fuller treatment in Lincolnshire Pedigrees, volume 4: https://archive.org/details/lincolnshirepedi04madd/page/1505/mode/2up


    Their ancestor here: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00268932&tree=LEO
    was actually John Williams married to Selina Worsley, as recorded here: https://archive.org/details/lincolnshirepedi03madd/page/682/mode/2up

    Selina was a daughter of this Richard Worsley & Mary Harington, who were
    both descendants of Henry II: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00670944&tree=LEO

    Richard's will only names one of his children, but he states that they were all by his wife Mary:
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D943174

    Selina was bapt. at Maxey, Northamptonshire, 2 Aug. 1588: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSTQ-95K

    and married there 29 Nov. 1607: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK7J-2V4

    Probably the most famous current member of this family is Rosie, a supermodel, who is the girlfriend of Jason Statham.

    Interesting about the illegitimate connection to the Welby family...

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to JBrand on Mon Jun 20 10:55:12 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:13:45 AM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:16:57 AM UTC-4, Leslie Mahler wrote:
    The ancestry of the Huntington-Whiteley Baronets, as recorded by Burke, does not show any
    obvious connection to established gentry families. See for example, the entries at The Peerage
    website:
    https://www.thepeerage.com/p50971.htm#i509702
    and also the pedigree here: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00179932&tree=LEO

    Information collected on Wikitree identifies the 1st Baronet's wife Florence Huntington as
    the daughter of Emily Louisa King, whose mother was Bertha Welby: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Huntington-Whitley-1

    Many of the census returns and civil registration records cited there
    are available on Ancestry.com, but not on Family Search.

    Florence's parents William Balle Huntington & Emily Louisa King were married in 1869,
    in Islington, London:
    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2D2M-7QV

    Florence's grandfather George Seymour King was married to Bertha Welby,
    5 Sept. 1842 in Florence, Italy: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:CXML-WTMM

    George Seymour King and his family were recorded in the 1851 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:SGXX-DRW
    Bertha's birthplace is wrongly transcribed as "Randley" - the correct place name is Rauceby.

    She was baptized at Rauceby 10 Dec. 1822 as Bertha, daughter of Mary Hutchinson:
    https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:JWCJ-WSW

    Bertha's mother was Mary Hutchinson, mistress of Adlard Welby.
    Bertha was named as daughter Bertha King in the will of Adlard Welby, esquire, proved 15 May 1861:
    https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/search-results

    Adlard lived from 1776-1871. Details of his 19 children are given here, on page 105 of volume 1:
    https://leicester.figshare.com/articles/thesis/An_edition_of_the_journals_of_Adlard_Welby/10137968/1

    The ancestry of Adlard Welby is outlined here: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00240036&tree=LEO

    With a fuller treatment in Lincolnshire Pedigrees, volume 4: https://archive.org/details/lincolnshirepedi04madd/page/1505/mode/2up


    Their ancestor here: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00268932&tree=LEO
    was actually John Williams married to Selina Worsley, as recorded here: https://archive.org/details/lincolnshirepedi03madd/page/682/mode/2up

    Selina was a daughter of this Richard Worsley & Mary Harington, who were both descendants of Henry II: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00670944&tree=LEO

    Richard's will only names one of his children, but he states that they were all by his wife Mary:
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D943174

    Selina was bapt. at Maxey, Northamptonshire, 2 Aug. 1588: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSTQ-95K

    and married there 29 Nov. 1607: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK7J-2V4
    Probably the most famous current member of this family is Rosie, a supermodel, who is the girlfriend of Jason Statham.

    Interesting about the illegitimate connection to the Welby family...

    Adlard Welby's mother was Elizabeth (Twyford) Welby, his father's second wife, not Elizabeth (Caesar) Welby, the first wife. At least according to ...

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/God_s_Architect/gNs0hNxtL4QC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=elizabeth+cesar+welby&pg=PA23&printsec=frontcover

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Mon Jun 20 11:54:25 2022
    On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 1:55:15 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:13:45 AM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:16:57 AM UTC-4, Leslie Mahler wrote:
    The ancestry of the Huntington-Whiteley Baronets, as recorded by Burke, does not show any
    obvious connection to established gentry families. See for example, the entries at The Peerage
    website:
    https://www.thepeerage.com/p50971.htm#i509702
    and also the pedigree here: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00179932&tree=LEO

    Information collected on Wikitree identifies the 1st Baronet's wife Florence Huntington as
    the daughter of Emily Louisa King, whose mother was Bertha Welby: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Huntington-Whitley-1

    Many of the census returns and civil registration records cited there
    are available on Ancestry.com, but not on Family Search.

    Florence's parents William Balle Huntington & Emily Louisa King were married in 1869,
    in Islington, London: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2D2M-7QV

    Florence's grandfather George Seymour King was married to Bertha Welby,
    5 Sept. 1842 in Florence, Italy: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:CXML-WTMM

    George Seymour King and his family were recorded in the 1851 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:SGXX-DRW
    Bertha's birthplace is wrongly transcribed as "Randley" - the correct place name is Rauceby.

    She was baptized at Rauceby 10 Dec. 1822 as Bertha, daughter of Mary Hutchinson:
    https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:JWCJ-WSW

    Bertha's mother was Mary Hutchinson, mistress of Adlard Welby.
    Bertha was named as daughter Bertha King in the will of Adlard Welby, esquire, proved 15 May 1861:
    https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/search-results

    Adlard lived from 1776-1871. Details of his 19 children are given here, on page 105 of volume 1:
    https://leicester.figshare.com/articles/thesis/An_edition_of_the_journals_of_Adlard_Welby/10137968/1

    The ancestry of Adlard Welby is outlined here: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00240036&tree=LEO

    With a fuller treatment in Lincolnshire Pedigrees, volume 4: https://archive.org/details/lincolnshirepedi04madd/page/1505/mode/2up


    Their ancestor here: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00268932&tree=LEO
    was actually John Williams married to Selina Worsley, as recorded here: https://archive.org/details/lincolnshirepedi03madd/page/682/mode/2up

    Selina was a daughter of this Richard Worsley & Mary Harington, who were both descendants of Henry II: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00670944&tree=LEO

    Richard's will only names one of his children, but he states that they were all by his wife Mary:
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D943174

    Selina was bapt. at Maxey, Northamptonshire, 2 Aug. 1588: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSTQ-95K

    and married there 29 Nov. 1607: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK7J-2V4
    Probably the most famous current member of this family is Rosie, a supermodel, who is the girlfriend of Jason Statham.

    Interesting about the illegitimate connection to the Welby family...
    Adlard Welby's mother was Elizabeth (Twyford) Welby, his father's second wife, not Elizabeth (Caesar) Welby, the first wife. At least according to ...

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/God_s_Architect/gNs0hNxtL4QC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=elizabeth+cesar+welby&pg=PA23&printsec=frontcover

    Adlard made a trip to Illinois and Pennsylvania sometime prior to 1821, so in addition to his 19 English children, one suspects there could be a few American by-blows.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Welby_s_Visit_to_North_America/Aw70-9qf0HAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=welby+rawsby&pg=PA143&printsec=frontcover

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Mon Jun 20 12:08:34 2022
    On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 2:54:28 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 1:55:15 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:13:45 AM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:16:57 AM UTC-4, Leslie Mahler wrote:
    The ancestry of the Huntington-Whiteley Baronets, as recorded by Burke, does not show any
    obvious connection to established gentry families. See for example, the entries at The Peerage
    website:
    https://www.thepeerage.com/p50971.htm#i509702
    and also the pedigree here: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00179932&tree=LEO

    Information collected on Wikitree identifies the 1st Baronet's wife Florence Huntington as
    the daughter of Emily Louisa King, whose mother was Bertha Welby: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Huntington-Whitley-1

    Many of the census returns and civil registration records cited there are available on Ancestry.com, but not on Family Search.

    Florence's parents William Balle Huntington & Emily Louisa King were married in 1869,
    in Islington, London: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2D2M-7QV

    Florence's grandfather George Seymour King was married to Bertha Welby, 5 Sept. 1842 in Florence, Italy: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:CXML-WTMM

    George Seymour King and his family were recorded in the 1851 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:SGXX-DRW
    Bertha's birthplace is wrongly transcribed as "Randley" - the correct place name is Rauceby.

    She was baptized at Rauceby 10 Dec. 1822 as Bertha, daughter of Mary Hutchinson:
    https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:JWCJ-WSW

    Bertha's mother was Mary Hutchinson, mistress of Adlard Welby.
    Bertha was named as daughter Bertha King in the will of Adlard Welby, esquire, proved 15 May 1861:
    https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/search-results

    Adlard lived from 1776-1871. Details of his 19 children are given here, on page 105 of volume 1:
    https://leicester.figshare.com/articles/thesis/An_edition_of_the_journals_of_Adlard_Welby/10137968/1

    The ancestry of Adlard Welby is outlined here: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00240036&tree=LEO

    With a fuller treatment in Lincolnshire Pedigrees, volume 4: https://archive.org/details/lincolnshirepedi04madd/page/1505/mode/2up


    Their ancestor here: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00268932&tree=LEO was actually John Williams married to Selina Worsley, as recorded here: https://archive.org/details/lincolnshirepedi03madd/page/682/mode/2up

    Selina was a daughter of this Richard Worsley & Mary Harington, who were
    both descendants of Henry II: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00670944&tree=LEO

    Richard's will only names one of his children, but he states that they were all by his wife Mary:
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D943174

    Selina was bapt. at Maxey, Northamptonshire, 2 Aug. 1588: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSTQ-95K

    and married there 29 Nov. 1607: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK7J-2V4
    Probably the most famous current member of this family is Rosie, a supermodel, who is the girlfriend of Jason Statham.

    Interesting about the illegitimate connection to the Welby family...
    Adlard Welby's mother was Elizabeth (Twyford) Welby, his father's second wife, not Elizabeth (Caesar) Welby, the first wife. At least according to ...

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/God_s_Architect/gNs0hNxtL4QC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=elizabeth+cesar+welby&pg=PA23&printsec=frontcover
    Adlard made a trip to Illinois and Pennsylvania sometime prior to 1821, so in addition to his 19 English children, one suspects there could be a few American by-blows.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Welby_s_Visit_to_North_America/Aw70-9qf0HAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=welby+rawsby&pg=PA143&printsec=frontcover

    Adlard Welby's list of children includes a son Alfred, born Jan. 1820, "at Philadelphia U.S.Am[erica]."

    Is the below a match?

    Alfred Welby, 1820 - 1903
    Alfred Welby was born on month day 1820, at birth place , Pennsylvania.
    Alfred married Susan Welby on month day 1843, at age 23 at marriage place . They had 9 children: Bertha Welby , Susan Lydia Welby and 7 other children . ...
    Alfred passed away on month day 1903, at age 83 at death place .

    The names Susan Lydia and Bertha are suggestive.

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Mon Jun 20 12:13:30 2022
    On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 3:08:38 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 2:54:28 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 1:55:15 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:13:45 AM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:16:57 AM UTC-4, Leslie Mahler wrote:
    The ancestry of the Huntington-Whiteley Baronets, as recorded by Burke, does not show any
    obvious connection to established gentry families. See for example, the entries at The Peerage
    website:
    https://www.thepeerage.com/p50971.htm#i509702
    and also the pedigree here: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00179932&tree=LEO

    Information collected on Wikitree identifies the 1st Baronet's wife Florence Huntington as
    the daughter of Emily Louisa King, whose mother was Bertha Welby: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Huntington-Whitley-1

    Many of the census returns and civil registration records cited there are available on Ancestry.com, but not on Family Search.

    Florence's parents William Balle Huntington & Emily Louisa King were married in 1869,
    in Islington, London: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2D2M-7QV

    Florence's grandfather George Seymour King was married to Bertha Welby,
    5 Sept. 1842 in Florence, Italy: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:CXML-WTMM

    George Seymour King and his family were recorded in the 1851 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:SGXX-DRW
    Bertha's birthplace is wrongly transcribed as "Randley" - the correct place name is Rauceby.

    She was baptized at Rauceby 10 Dec. 1822 as Bertha, daughter of Mary Hutchinson:
    https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:JWCJ-WSW

    Bertha's mother was Mary Hutchinson, mistress of Adlard Welby.
    Bertha was named as daughter Bertha King in the will of Adlard Welby, esquire, proved 15 May 1861:
    https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/search-results

    Adlard lived from 1776-1871. Details of his 19 children are given here, on page 105 of volume 1:
    https://leicester.figshare.com/articles/thesis/An_edition_of_the_journals_of_Adlard_Welby/10137968/1

    The ancestry of Adlard Welby is outlined here: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00240036&tree=LEO

    With a fuller treatment in Lincolnshire Pedigrees, volume 4: https://archive.org/details/lincolnshirepedi04madd/page/1505/mode/2up


    Their ancestor here: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00268932&tree=LEO was actually John Williams married to Selina Worsley, as recorded here:
    https://archive.org/details/lincolnshirepedi03madd/page/682/mode/2up

    Selina was a daughter of this Richard Worsley & Mary Harington, who were
    both descendants of Henry II: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00670944&tree=LEO

    Richard's will only names one of his children, but he states that they were all by his wife Mary:
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D943174

    Selina was bapt. at Maxey, Northamptonshire, 2 Aug. 1588: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSTQ-95K

    and married there 29 Nov. 1607: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK7J-2V4
    Probably the most famous current member of this family is Rosie, a supermodel, who is the girlfriend of Jason Statham.

    Interesting about the illegitimate connection to the Welby family...
    Adlard Welby's mother was Elizabeth (Twyford) Welby, his father's second wife, not Elizabeth (Caesar) Welby, the first wife. At least according to ...

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/God_s_Architect/gNs0hNxtL4QC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=elizabeth+cesar+welby&pg=PA23&printsec=frontcover
    Adlard made a trip to Illinois and Pennsylvania sometime prior to 1821, so in addition to his 19 English children, one suspects there could be a few American by-blows.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Welby_s_Visit_to_North_America/Aw70-9qf0HAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=welby+rawsby&pg=PA143&printsec=frontcover
    Adlard Welby's list of children includes a son Alfred, born Jan. 1820, "at Philadelphia U.S.Am[erica]."

    Is the below a match?

    Alfred Welby, 1820 - 1903
    Alfred Welby was born on month day 1820, at birth place , Pennsylvania. Alfred married Susan Welby on month day 1843, at age 23 at marriage place . They had 9 children: Bertha Welby , Susan Lydia Welby and 7 other children . ...
    Alfred passed away on month day 1903, at age 83 at death place .

    The names Susan Lydia and Bertha are suggestive.

    Clarification. Alfred was "at Philadelphia U.S.Am[erica]" when the list was written, though born in Rauceby.

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  • From Leslie Mahler@21:1/5 to ravinma...@yahoo.com on Mon Jun 20 14:14:13 2022
    On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 12:08:38 PM UTC-7, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 2:54:28 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 1:55:15 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:13:45 AM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:16:57 AM UTC-4, Leslie Mahler wrote:
    The ancestry of the Huntington-Whiteley Baronets, as recorded by Burke, does not show any
    obvious connection to established gentry families. See for example, the entries at The Peerage
    website:
    https://www.thepeerage.com/p50971.htm#i509702
    and also the pedigree here: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00179932&tree=LEO

    Information collected on Wikitree identifies the 1st Baronet's wife Florence Huntington as
    the daughter of Emily Louisa King, whose mother was Bertha Welby: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Huntington-Whitley-1

    Many of the census returns and civil registration records cited there are available on Ancestry.com, but not on Family Search.

    Florence's parents William Balle Huntington & Emily Louisa King were married in 1869,
    in Islington, London: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2D2M-7QV

    Florence's grandfather George Seymour King was married to Bertha Welby,
    5 Sept. 1842 in Florence, Italy: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:CXML-WTMM

    George Seymour King and his family were recorded in the 1851 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:SGXX-DRW
    Bertha's birthplace is wrongly transcribed as "Randley" - the correct place name is Rauceby.

    She was baptized at Rauceby 10 Dec. 1822 as Bertha, daughter of Mary Hutchinson:
    https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:JWCJ-WSW

    Bertha's mother was Mary Hutchinson, mistress of Adlard Welby.
    Bertha was named as daughter Bertha King in the will of Adlard Welby, esquire, proved 15 May 1861:
    https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/search-results

    Adlard lived from 1776-1871. Details of his 19 children are given here, on page 105 of volume 1:
    https://leicester.figshare.com/articles/thesis/An_edition_of_the_journals_of_Adlard_Welby/10137968/1

    The ancestry of Adlard Welby is outlined here: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00240036&tree=LEO

    With a fuller treatment in Lincolnshire Pedigrees, volume 4: https://archive.org/details/lincolnshirepedi04madd/page/1505/mode/2up


    Their ancestor here: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00268932&tree=LEO was actually John Williams married to Selina Worsley, as recorded here:
    https://archive.org/details/lincolnshirepedi03madd/page/682/mode/2up

    Selina was a daughter of this Richard Worsley & Mary Harington, who were
    both descendants of Henry II: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00670944&tree=LEO

    Richard's will only names one of his children, but he states that they were all by his wife Mary:
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D943174

    Selina was bapt. at Maxey, Northamptonshire, 2 Aug. 1588: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSTQ-95K

    and married there 29 Nov. 1607: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK7J-2V4
    Probably the most famous current member of this family is Rosie, a supermodel, who is the girlfriend of Jason Statham.

    Interesting about the illegitimate connection to the Welby family...
    Adlard Welby's mother was Elizabeth (Twyford) Welby, his father's second wife, not Elizabeth (Caesar) Welby, the first wife. At least according to ...

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/God_s_Architect/gNs0hNxtL4QC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=elizabeth+cesar+welby&pg=PA23&printsec=frontcover
    Adlard made a trip to Illinois and Pennsylvania sometime prior to 1821, so in addition to his 19 English children, one suspects there could be a few American by-blows.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Welby_s_Visit_to_North_America/Aw70-9qf0HAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=welby+rawsby&pg=PA143&printsec=frontcover
    Adlard Welby's list of children includes a son Alfred, born Jan. 1820, "at Philadelphia U.S.Am[erica]."

    Is the below a match?

    Alfred Welby, 1820 - 1903
    Alfred Welby was born on month day 1820, at birth place , Pennsylvania. Alfred married Susan Welby on month day 1843, at age 23 at marriage place . They had 9 children: Bertha Welby , Susan Lydia Welby and 7 other children . ...
    Alfred passed away on month day 1903, at age 83 at death place .

    The names Susan Lydia and Bertha are suggestive.


    Alfred Welby ended up in Australia. See page 105, part 1: file:///C:/Users/HHSSO08VEWH/Downloads/BoettcherPhD.pdf

    Leslie

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Leslie Mahler on Tue Jun 21 06:52:45 2022
    On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 5:14:16 PM UTC-4, Leslie Mahler wrote:
    On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 12:08:38 PM UTC-7, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 2:54:28 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 1:55:15 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:13:45 AM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:16:57 AM UTC-4, Leslie Mahler wrote:
    The ancestry of the Huntington-Whiteley Baronets, as recorded by Burke, does not show any
    obvious connection to established gentry families. See for example, the entries at The Peerage
    website:
    https://www.thepeerage.com/p50971.htm#i509702
    and also the pedigree here: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00179932&tree=LEO

    Information collected on Wikitree identifies the 1st Baronet's wife Florence Huntington as
    the daughter of Emily Louisa King, whose mother was Bertha Welby: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Huntington-Whitley-1

    Many of the census returns and civil registration records cited there
    are available on Ancestry.com, but not on Family Search.

    Florence's parents William Balle Huntington & Emily Louisa King were married in 1869,
    in Islington, London: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2D2M-7QV

    Florence's grandfather George Seymour King was married to Bertha Welby,
    5 Sept. 1842 in Florence, Italy: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:CXML-WTMM

    George Seymour King and his family were recorded in the 1851 Census:
    https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:SGXX-DRW Bertha's birthplace is wrongly transcribed as "Randley" - the correct place name is Rauceby.

    She was baptized at Rauceby 10 Dec. 1822 as Bertha, daughter of Mary Hutchinson:
    https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:JWCJ-WSW

    Bertha's mother was Mary Hutchinson, mistress of Adlard Welby. Bertha was named as daughter Bertha King in the will of Adlard Welby, esquire, proved 15 May 1861:
    https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/search-results

    Adlard lived from 1776-1871. Details of his 19 children are given here, on page 105 of volume 1:
    https://leicester.figshare.com/articles/thesis/An_edition_of_the_journals_of_Adlard_Welby/10137968/1

    The ancestry of Adlard Welby is outlined here: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00240036&tree=LEO

    With a fuller treatment in Lincolnshire Pedigrees, volume 4: https://archive.org/details/lincolnshirepedi04madd/page/1505/mode/2up


    Their ancestor here: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00268932&tree=LEO
    was actually John Williams married to Selina Worsley, as recorded here:
    https://archive.org/details/lincolnshirepedi03madd/page/682/mode/2up

    Selina was a daughter of this Richard Worsley & Mary Harington, who were
    both descendants of Henry II: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00670944&tree=LEO

    Richard's will only names one of his children, but he states that they were all by his wife Mary:
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D943174

    Selina was bapt. at Maxey, Northamptonshire, 2 Aug. 1588: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSTQ-95K

    and married there 29 Nov. 1607: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK7J-2V4
    Probably the most famous current member of this family is Rosie, a supermodel, who is the girlfriend of Jason Statham.

    Interesting about the illegitimate connection to the Welby family...
    Adlard Welby's mother was Elizabeth (Twyford) Welby, his father's second wife, not Elizabeth (Caesar) Welby, the first wife. At least according to ...

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/God_s_Architect/gNs0hNxtL4QC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=elizabeth+cesar+welby&pg=PA23&printsec=frontcover
    Adlard made a trip to Illinois and Pennsylvania sometime prior to 1821, so in addition to his 19 English children, one suspects there could be a few American by-blows.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Welby_s_Visit_to_North_America/Aw70-9qf0HAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=welby+rawsby&pg=PA143&printsec=frontcover
    Adlard Welby's list of children includes a son Alfred, born Jan. 1820, "at Philadelphia U.S.Am[erica]."

    Is the below a match?

    Alfred Welby, 1820 - 1903
    Alfred Welby was born on month day 1820, at birth place , Pennsylvania. Alfred married Susan Welby on month day 1843, at age 23 at marriage place . They had 9 children: Bertha Welby , Susan Lydia Welby and 7 other children .
    ...
    Alfred passed away on month day 1903, at age 83 at death place .

    The names Susan Lydia and Bertha are suggestive.
    Alfred Welby ended up in Australia. See page 105, part 1: file:///C:/Users/HHSSO08VEWH/Downloads/BoettcherPhD.pdf

    Leslie

    Oh, okay, I didn't see that further note.

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  • From Leslie Mahler@21:1/5 to Leslie Mahler on Tue Jun 21 23:00:21 2022
    On Friday, June 17, 2022 at 10:16:57 PM UTC-7, Leslie Mahler wrote:
    The ancestry of the Huntington-Whiteley Baronets, as recorded by Burke, does not show any
    obvious connection to established gentry families. See for example, the entries at The Peerage
    website:
    https://www.thepeerage.com/p50971.htm#i509702
    and also the pedigree here: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00179932&tree=LEO

    Information collected on Wikitree identifies the 1st Baronet's wife Florence Huntington as
    the daughter of Emily Louisa King, whose mother was Bertha Welby: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Huntington-Whitley-1

    Many of the census returns and civil registration records cited there
    are available on Ancestry.com, but not on Family Search.

    Florence's parents William Balle Huntington & Emily Louisa King were married in 1869,
    in Islington, London:
    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2D2M-7QV

    Florence's grandfather George Seymour King was married to Bertha Welby,
    5 Sept. 1842 in Florence, Italy: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:CXML-WTMM

    George Seymour King and his family were recorded in the 1851 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:SGXX-DRW
    Bertha's birthplace is wrongly transcribed as "Randley" - the correct place name is Rauceby.

    She was baptized at Rauceby 10 Dec. 1822 as Bertha, daughter of Mary Hutchinson:
    https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:JWCJ-WSW

    Bertha's mother was Mary Hutchinson, mistress of Adlard Welby.
    Bertha was named as daughter Bertha King in the will of Adlard Welby, esquire, proved 15 May 1861:
    https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/search-results

    Adlard lived from 1776-1871. Details of his 19 children are given here, on page 105 of volume 1:
    https://leicester.figshare.com/articles/thesis/An_edition_of_the_journals_of_Adlard_Welby/10137968/1

    The ancestry of Adlard Welby is outlined here: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00240036&tree=LEO

    With a fuller treatment in Lincolnshire Pedigrees, volume 4: https://archive.org/details/lincolnshirepedi04madd/page/1505/mode/2up


    Their ancestor here: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00268932&tree=LEO
    was actually John Williams married to Selina Worsley, as recorded here: https://archive.org/details/lincolnshirepedi03madd/page/682/mode/2up

    Selina was a daughter of this Richard Worsley & Mary Harington, who were
    both descendants of Henry II: https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00670944&tree=LEO

    Richard's will only names one of his children, but he states that they were all by his wife Mary:
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D943174

    Selina was bapt. at Maxey, Northamptonshire, 2 Aug. 1588: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSTQ-95K

    and married there 29 Nov. 1607: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK7J-2V4


    Bertha (Welby) King is recorded in the 1871 Census at Islington, Middlesex, with her children, and also her son-in-law William B. Huntington:

    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB62-2DQ

    Leslie

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