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Ian Goddard wrote:

This file contains embedded SVG.  It is a tree composed with the Dia
editor saved as SVG. SVG is a dialect (for want of a better term) of XML
and XML is text so it should be possible to embed in a newsgroup posting.

The lines as saved are too long for internet message format but can be split.  To do this I set the right hand margin of the Bluefish XML
editor to 60 characters, opened the .svg file, selected
Tools>Format>Split at right margin and resaved the file.

To try viewing the file copy the lines between the lines of equals signs
(but not the lines of equals themselves), paste into your text editor of choice and save with a .svg suffix to the file name.

It should be possible to open with whatever application you have to view vector graphics files.  If you don't have anything download the
appropriate version of Inkscape from inkscape.org

The tree is the first few generations of Lawrence Kaye, 1st son of John
Kaye of Woodsome assembled from Glover, Flower and Dugdale.

That seemed successful.

Ian

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Enno Borgsteede wrote:

Op 09-03-2024 om 13:07 schreef Ian Goddard:

That seemed successful.

Although it seemed, the normal procedure would be to add it as an
attachment. But if you do that, there's also a chance that news servers ignore your post, and don't forward it.

I've seen maybe one attachment over many years in several newsgroups. I believe it's not considered good netiquette which is why it might not
get forwarded and why I put it inline.

But if they get through, there is a chance that Thunderbird shows them in-line. And in that case, readers can also save the attachments with
one click.

Yes. By the time select had run the length of it I'd had time to come
to that conclusion myself. It's a lot quicker.

The trickiest bit, by the way, is getting the line length down but
perhaps it didn't matter - the style elements are quite long and lack
spaces to split but have been transmitted OK.

Ian

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john wrote:

On 09/03/2024 17:19, Ian Goddard wrote:

No.  From a diagram hand-drawn with Dia.  I have harsh things to say
about Gedcom which I won't repeat here.  Suffice to say, however, that
drawing a tree by hand is a very good way to gather stuff together.

If you don't know it, there is SVG Family-Tree Generator (SVG-FTG) which
uses GEDCOM for input. Although it is no longer being developed there is still a link to download it
https://parallaxviewpoint.com/SVG-FTG/ https://parallax-viewpoint.blogspot.com/2021/03/svg-family-tree-generator-v60.html

It appears to be Windows-based which wouldn't fit with me anyway. Not
being developed wouldn't be a strike against it, quite the opposite.
Adding bells and whistles to something that should be considered done
and dusted is an unfortunate habit of too many developers.

The big shortcoming, in my view, would be GEDCOM and the tooling around it.

Ian

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john1 wrote:

On 09/03/2024 13:07, Ian Goddard wrote:

Ian Goddard wrote:

This file contains embedded SVG.  It is a tree composed with the Dia
editor saved as SVG. SVG is a dialect (for want of a better term) of
XML and XML is text so it should be possible to embed in a newsgroup
posting.

The lines as saved are too long for internet message format but can
be split.  To do this I set the right hand margin of the Bluefish XML
editor to 60 characters, opened the .svg file, selected
Tools>Format>Split at right margin and resaved the file.

To try viewing the file copy the lines between the lines of equals
signs (but not the lines of equals themselves), paste into your text
editor of choice and save with a .svg suffix to the file name.

It should be possible to open with whatever application you have to
view vector graphics files.  If you don't have anything download the
appropriate version of Inkscape from inkscape.org

The tree is the first few generations of Lawrence Kaye, 1st son of
John Kaye of Woodsome assembled from Glover, Flower and Dugdale.

That seemed successful.

Ian

It was easier to copy the whole e-mail message body, paste into a text
editor and then cut the unwanted text.

By the time I'd copied and pasted I came to that conclusion myself ;)

Did you generate the SVG file from a GEDCOM?

No. From a diagram hand-drawn with Dia. I have harsh things to say
about Gedcom which I won't repeat here. Suffice to say, however, that
drawing a tree by hand is a very good way to gather stuff together.

I started by taking the trees in the Flower and Glover visitations plus
Dugdale which is based mostly if not entirely on IPMs and drew three
separate versions side-by-side in different colours (you can get colour
into Dia and into SVG).

They weren't fully compatible. Drawing them by hand makes you realise
where one or other might be wrong. Only one has a William of Woodsome
as son of John III and he's there as an extra generation so I realised
if he existed he must have been a sibling of Edward and George, not a
father. Annoyingly, when I came to realise it today I omitted to say
whether it was Glover or Flower.

It's also a handy framework to hang other information onto the
framework, for instance Elizabeth Amyas living 1396 comes from a
document in Huddersfield archives of that date. Being completely
free-form you don't have to worry about the limitations of Gedcom being
able to handle it.

Ian

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On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 12:00:39 +0000
Ian Goddard <ian_ng@austonley.org.uk> wrote:

This file contains embedded SVG. It is a tree composed with the Dia
editor saved as SVG. SVG is a dialect (for want of a better term) of
XML and XML is text so it should be possible to embed in a newsgroup
posting.

A lot of news servers are going to filter this out as being too large.
It almost borders on "binary in a text group" except for it being fully
textual data itself. It would be like posting a large spreadsheet but
in csv format.

As someone who runs a news server on a shoestring budget, and doesn't
accept binaries for a reason, I'm likely to find a a way to block
postings of SVG files.

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