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    Immigrant murder convictions 'tens of thousands' higher than ICE's
    bombshell figures: data expert
    There are more than the 13,400 noncitizens with murder convictions
    listed on ICE's national docket
    By Michael Dorgan Fox News
    Published October 4, 2024 9:35am EDT

    Illegal migrants with convictions in US much higher than ICE's bombshell figures: data expert
    The number of Illegal migrants with convictions in US is much higher
    than ICE figures released last week: data expert

    The total number of immigrant noncitizens in the U.S. who have murder convictions is likely "tens of thousands" more than the 13,400 listed on Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) national docket, given the criminal records of border-hoppers in their native countries are not
    baked into the data, a data expert tells Fox News Digital.

    The bombshell figures released last week via ICE’s national docket show
    that 277 noncitizens are currently being held by ICE, while 13,099
    noncitizens are on the non-detained docket with homicide convictions.
    ICE’s non-detained docket includes noncitizens who have final orders of removal or are going through removal proceedings but are not detained in
    ICE custody.

    Of the 13,099 convicted murderers not being detained by ICE, it is
    unclear how many are incarcerated by federal, state or local law
    enforcement, or roaming the streets. There are an additional 1,845 on
    the non-detained docket with pending homicide charges.

    In total, 662,566 noncitizens with criminal histories are on ICE’s
    national docket, which stretches back decades.

    US OFFICIALS NAB PERUVIAN GANG LEADER WANTED FOR NEARLY 2 DOZEN KILLINGS
    IN HOME COUNTRY: ‘SIGNIFICANT THREAT’

    Eagle Pass border crossings
    Texas National Guard troops watch over more than 1,000 immigrants who
    had crossed the Rio Grande overnight from Mexico on Dec. 18, 2023 in
    Eagle Pass, Texas. (John Moore/Getty Images)

    The figures underline the serious threat illegal immigration and not
    vetting immigrants thoroughly poses to law-abiding people living in the
    U.S. The figures sparked an outcry from border security advocates.

    Sean Kennedy, who specializes in law enforcement and crime data
    analysis, said the numbers of noncitizens in the U.S. who have murder convictions — as well as convictions for other crimes like assault and
    rape — is much higher than the 13,376 on ICE’s detained and non-detained dockets because those convictions only apply to crimes committed in the
    U.S. and not murders committed in migrants’ home countries.

    "We don't know how many people have come into the United States over the
    last decades, let alone in the last few years, who have criminal
    convictions or offenses overseas," Kennedy said. "Very few of the
    migrants who crossed the border who have criminal records will ever be
    properly vetted because the criminal records in their home countries are insufficient, they're not compatible with, or they're just plain not
    shared with the United States. And we've seen this over and over again."

    Kennedy cited the case of a Peruvian gang leader, Gianfranco
    Torres-Navarro, who was wanted for nearly two dozen murders in his home
    country and entered the U.S. illegally at the Texas-Mexico border on May
    16, as an example of how the vetting process is letting violent
    criminals into the U.S.

    He was arrested by U.S. Border Patrol near Roma, Texas, before being
    released into the U.S. with a notice to appear for immigration
    proceedings, Fox News learned. It took almost two months before federal authorities learned Torres-Navarro was wanted in Peru for 23 killings, including the slaying of a retired police officer.

    "He was a drug gang lord, and we didn't know that because Peru didn't
    tell us, or he wasn't listed in a database that we had access to because
    our databases are very limited," Kennedy said.

    Gianfranco Torres-Navarro
    Gianfranco Torres-Navarro, the Peruvian gang leader wanted for 23
    murders, was arrested by ICE after being caught and released at the
    border. (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement)

    Kennedy said that the federal database includes a list of people with
    mostly offenses that were committed in the U.S. and by people who are considered security threats, but there are lots of those who are
    security threats who are not identifiable, or their biometric data —
    such as fingerprints — is not being collected.

    "So if you're living in the mountains of Afghanistan and you go by a
    pseudonym, we have no idea [that] when you scan your fingerprints,
    you're that guy," Kennedy said, noting governments aren't forthcoming
    with the data. "The Taliban government isn't sharing that. The
    Venezuelans aren't telling us who their gangsters or mobsters are. The
    Chinese aren't telling us who their spies are, let alone the Russians or
    the Tajiks or anyone else."

    Kennedy said that added into the mix is the roughly 2 million so-called "gotaways" who crossed the border over the last three years but never encountered Border Patrol.

    "We have no idea who they are," he added.

    Kennedy noted that when Border Patrol encounters migrants at the border,
    the agency asks for basic information such as their name, place of birth
    and also collects biometric information and registers it with the
    National Crime Information Center, a national database of all state and
    local crime information. It also processes the data through the National Vetting Center list, which co-ordinates with various federal agencies
    like TSA and co-ordinates with other countries.

    "But that data is very limited, too, because that's completely voluntary
    as to what countries submit … And worse than that, very few countries participate in agreements where they will share full and freely
    information about their criminal context," Kennedy said.

    "So we get very little information about foreigners crossing the border,
    and very little of it can be verified [and] many of the people who cross
    the border have no serious government documentation and sometimes none
    at all."

    Rachel Morin in. black dress.
    Illegal immigrant Victor Martinez Hernandez is accused of savagely
    raping and murdering mother of five Rachel Morin in Maryland on Aug. 5,
    2023. (Tulsa Police Department/ Facebook)

    The ICE data from last week shows that among those on the non-detained
    docket, 62,231 were convicted of assault, 14,301 convicted of burglary,
    56,533 had drug convictions and 13,099 convicted of homicide. An
    additional 2,521 have kidnapping convictions and 15,811 have sexual
    assault convictions.

    It is not known how many of the noncitizens on the national docket
    entered the U.S. illegally or legally. For instance, a permanent
    resident Green Card holder who is convicted of a crime is subject to deportation once convicted and would therefore end up on the national
    docket.

    Kennedy, who is the executive director of the Coalition for Law Order
    and Safety, a nonprofit research group which studies and advocates for effective public safety policies, said the lion’s share of the near
    13,400 noncitizens convicted of homicide, carried out those killings
    while in the U.S., and that even if they have served their time they are
    not necessarily deported as their home countries can refuse to take them
    back.

    ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WITH ‘TERRORISM TIES’ WILL CONTINUE TO EXPLOIT
    BORDER, HOMELAND SECURITY REPORT WARNS

    That is because in 2001's Zadvydas v. Davis, the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional to indefinitely detain people who would otherwise be
    deported if they cannot be deported.

    Kennedy said there is no exact figure of the actual homicide crime
    convictions rate of noncitizens, but it can be gauged by extrapolating
    the numbers from a Texas investigation into noncitizen crimes and then
    applying them to the national rate.

    That investigation, by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS),
    found that since June 2011, illegal immigrants have been charged with
    over 1,100 homicides, more than 3,500 sexual assaults and 3,700 other
    sex offenses.

    It meant that the overall Texas homicide conviction rate in that period
    was 2.88 per 100,000 residents, while the illegal immigrant rate was
    3.25 per 100,000 residents, or 13% higher. Legal immigrants, by
    contrast, were convicted of homicide at significantly lower rates than
    illegal immigrants and the overall Texas population.

    "So if we extrapolate that across the United States, there would be tens
    of thousands of people in addition to these 13,000 who've committed a
    homicide here," Kennedy explained.

    images of Jocelyn Nungaray
    Jocelyn Nungaray, 12, was found strangled to death in a Houston creek. Venezuelan migrants Franklin Pena, 26, and Johan Martinez-Rangel, 22,
    were indicted last month on capital murder charges in connection with Nungaray's murder. (Fox Houston courtesy of the Nungaray family)

    "There is a large number of people who are committing crimes in the
    United States who are here illegally that we know about. And there is a
    large number of people who are committing crimes in the United States
    who we don't know about. They could be gotaways or somehow slipped
    through the cracks in another way and that population is a wild card for
    US law enforcement because we can't deport them."

    "When you're importing hundreds of thousands of young El Salvadorian
    men, or Venezuelan men, which for decades were homicide capitals of the
    world, it's likely that many of them have committed murder or have been accomplices to murder because their homicide rates were 20 times the
    U.S. rate," Kennedy added.

    The Texas DPS investigation found that more than 20% of its incarcerated illegal immigrant killers were unknown to DHS, Kennedy said, adding this
    is likely replicated across other states as well – bringing the figures
    even higher again.

    "These are all preventable crimes. If these people hadn't come here,
    they wouldn't have committed these crimes," Kennedy explained. "So when
    we know someone has a criminal history, we have an obligation to protect
    our citizens first, not import the world whom some of them are criminals
    and offenders and violent and terrorists and other threats to U.S.
    public safety."

    Michael Dorgan is a writer for Fox News Digital and Fox Business.

    You can send tips to michael.dorgan@fox.com and follow him on Twitter @M_Dorgan.


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    Immigrant murder convictions 'tens of thousands' higher than ICE's
    bombshell figures: data expert
    There are more than the 13,400 noncitizens with murder convictions
    listed on ICE's national docket
    By Michael Dorgan Fox News
    Published October 4, 2024 9:35am EDT

    Illegal migrants with convictions in US much higher than ICE's
    bombshell figures: data expert
    The number of Illegal migrants with convictions in US is much higher
    than ICE figures released last week: data expert

    FAUX NUZ "data expert"? Nah, get us a better reference.

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    higher-
    than-ices-bombshell-figures-data-expert

    Immigrant murder convictions 'tens of thousands' higher than ICE's
    bombshell figures: data expert
    There are more than the 13,400 noncitizens with murder convictions
    listed on ICE's national docket
    By Michael Dorgan Fox News
    Published October 4, 2024 9:35am EDT

    Illegal migrants with convictions in US much higher than ICE's
    bombshell figures: data expert
    The number of Illegal migrants with convictions in US is much higher
    than ICE figures released last week: data expert

    FAUX NUZ "data expert"? Nah, get us a better reference.

    More like this:
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    More than 13,000 immigrants convicted of homicide are living outside immigration detention in the U.S., ICE says

    Two law enforcement officials said many of those migrants crossed into
    the U.S. under previous administrations, and that the total includes
    people serving U.S. prison sentences.

    The immigrants are part of ICE’s “non-detained” docket, meaning the
    agency has some information on the immigrants and they have pending
    immigration cases in the U.S., but they are not currently in detention
    either because they are not prioritized for detention, they are serving
    time in a jail or prison for their crimes, or because ICE cannot find
    them, three law enforcement officials said.

    Two of the officials said it is not known how many are incarcerated
    because ICE is not always privy to that data from state and local law enforcement agencies.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/13000-immigrants-convicted- homicide-living-freely-us-ice-data-rcna173125

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    The claim that the Biden administration has allowed more than 13,000
    immigrants convicted of murder to enter and roam the U.S. freely is
    misleading.

    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) data estimates that there
    are more than 13,000 immigrants in the U.S. convicted of murder who are
    not currently in ICE custody, but they were released over a period of 40
    years and did not all enter the country during the Biden administration.
    Some of the 13,000 immigrants could also be in prison or jail.

    https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/immigration/claim-biden- administration-let-in-13000-immigrants-convicted-murder-misleading/536- 58e0c8b5-ab29-4cdb-b138-468e95523ab5

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    40 years - NOT the 3/5 years of Biden. And an unknown number of those
    are in prison - just not ICE custody.

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