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    Mosab Hassan Yousef asked the audience: "If you had any information
    before Oct 7, would you report it to the authorities to save lives?"


    The crowd in the Oxford Union debate voted. About 75% declared they
    would let Oct 7 happen. The audience was pro-terror, pro-death.
    Many people who viewed that horror from their homes, were Oxford alumni
    who attended these debates and stated with incredible frustration that
    they no longer recognize that institution.

    The Oxford Union is a distinguished institution that has taken part in educating tens of kings, prime ministers, and noble laureates.
    How was that place eroded to host an audience that sought to promote a massacre? How did that institute was taken over? How did it manage to
    close its gates to Israelis and Jews who feared for their lives to
    attend? How come the audience was so homogenous, so disrespectful,
    booing and threatening the pro-Israeli speakers? Is that the last
    bastion of free speech?

    Hassan Mosab Yousef is the son of the founder of Hamas. As an Arab, he
    decided to save many lives by informing on Palestinian terror attacks
    that were about to happen, targeting Israelis. Yousef did that simply
    because he cherish life, unlike most of the Oxford Union audience who
    cherish death, precisely like Hamas.


    At that moment, the words of Mosab Hassan Yousef echoed so loudly,
    putting that institution in a very problematic light. Instead of self-reflection, the debate organizers decided to leave Yousef out of
    the YouTube channel. It is called silencing, which is a typical strategy
    in many tyrannical states across the Middle East.

    This is a wakeup call for Oxford and for the UK.

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    Tammalyn Brothers
    · Sat
    The terrorists play a long game- they don’t worry about immediate
    action. They are aware of the weaknesses of Great Britain and the Inited States. All democracies will be destroyed because they will bide their
    time and then simply use the ballot box as a weapon and put their
    misogynistic, women hating and anti Jewish and anti Christian leaders in
    place.

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    Sharli Midbar
    · Sat
    Agreed. That was the plan drawn up by the Muslim brotherhood and exposed
    in 1992 in the holy Land investigation in the United states. At the time
    the Muslim brotherhood's plan was the 25-year-old plan it is taking a
    little longer than 25 years but it is speeding forward with great
    success aided and abetted by an ignorant and myopic media that doesn't
    know squat about anything.

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    Travel Zone
    · Sun
    What will happen now that (at least thats what is being reported) Asad
    has left Syria? Will eygpt, turkey, saudi, qatar etc muscle in?

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    Douglas Spruill
    · Sun
    and then fucking preteen little girls will be ok ? Well that sucks

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    Jennifer Olorenshaw
    · Sat
    And the God hating secular media/population will support them.

    P. Akshay Kumar
    I will never get why secular support Islamists.
    P. Akshay Kumar
    I will never get why secular support Islamists.
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    John Kopcheff
    · Sun
    the only way the UK can stop the Islamic political takeover by the
    ballot box is to bring in compulsory voting at council and parliamentary levels. With compulsory voting, all UK citizens will be made aware who
    the Islamic and non-Islamic candidates are. This will go some way to
    negating the very strong influence of the Mullahs in their mosques
    demanding that all true believers vote for their Islamic candidates.

    RIchard Degen
    Well said! We stand no chance until Islamic immigration is terminated
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    Peter de Loriol
    · Sun
    I have been reading insights giving news updates on Gaza - these are
    from independent journalists, most of them Muslim, who post their videos
    on different channels to the norm, equivalent to a couple of Russian pro democracy journalists who feed those interested on the minutiae of the
    Ukraine war, whom i follow. I am lucky, inasmuch as I can understand
    Arab quite well. One video shows a primary school teacher of around 30
    years old explaining how he manages two jobs - one, teaching his small
    charges, the other being a committed Hamas soldier.

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    Jesse Jolliff
    · Sun
    Hence the elections of Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tliab.

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    Gary Whitelock
    · Sun
    This is not speculation, this is fact .

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    Tom Withey
    · Sun
    Religion - of any kind - has no place in politics.

    Jewish, Christian or Muslim.

    Andy Martin
    · Sat
    “The crowd in the Oxford Union debate voted. About 75% declared they
    would let Oct 7 happen.”

    Judging from all the bag heads and beardies in the audience, I can’t say I’m surprised that these reptiles voted the way they did.

    It should be pointed out however, that it was Yoseph Haddad who said
    this, not Mosab Hassan Yousef. He was scheduled to speak, but was
    prevented from doing so.

    Edit. In the light of more material released on YouTube, Mosab Hassan
    was present and did speak albeit against a cacophony of jeering and
    booing, and it was in fact him who asked who supported the October 7
    attack. It seems it was more like 95% of those present welcomed the attack.

    in very different debate conducted in a more civilized manner held
    earlier this year, Douglas Murray and debate partner Natasha Hausdorf
    succeeded in persuading two-thirds of audience members at the Munk
    Debate in Toronto that antisemitism and anti-Zionis are the same. While
    61 per cent of listeners supported the proposition before the debate,
    that number grew to 66 per cent following the discussion. Support for
    the other side of the argument dropped from 39 per cent to 34 per cent. Attempts to disrupt this debate were thwarted by security. In marked
    contrast at the Oxford debate, very inadequate security enabled massive disruptions and intimidation prevented Jews from attending thus
    resulting in not a debate but a debacle.

    As far as I’m concerned, when Hamas released their 1988 charter Israel
    should have taken it as a clear declaration of war and stomped them
    there and then. Had they done so, Gaza wouldn’t be in ruins with
    thousands including innocents dead.

    And who thought trading one hapless IDF soldier for 2000 terrorist
    prisoners including monkey face Sinwa and one of the Tamimi clan, aunt
    of the infamous ‘curly Temper’ that took part in the Sbarro Pizza restaurant attack was a good idea?

    The clear message from this and the other attempts at appeasement is we
    should not judge Hamas and their supporters by Judeo Christian values,
    because they will always see these values as weaknesses to be exploited.

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    Donald D'Abrera
    · Sat
    What did you expect when Europe supported the scum Arafat ? He should
    have been arrested and shot for terrorist crimes.

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    Simon Long
    · Sun
    After rejecting Clinton’s peace plans he was punished with about 6
    billion in aid, about what his daughter is currently worth.

    Zahoua, the daughter of Yasser #Arafat is the only heir to ...Instagram
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    Zahoua, the daughter of Yasser #Arafat is the only heir to an estimated
    $8 Billion fortune, owns an entire street in London.

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    Ian Gill
    · Sat
    That’s nothing new for the Oxford union. In the 1930s I believe just
    prior to World War II, the Oxford union voted not to go to war against
    Hitler. I believe quite a few of them died in the enduing conflict
    fighting for the UK.

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    Alastair Wilson
    · Mon
    “This House will under no circumstances fight for King and Country", was passed in 1933 by 275 votes to 153. The result sparked off a national
    outcry in the press, and Winston Churchill denounced it as "that abject, squalid, shameless avowal" and "this ever shameful motion" 75 million
    deaths later - 25 military and 50 civilian and with 25 million deaths
    from starvation, many would still argue that the debaters were right and Churchill was wrong.

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    Ian Gill
    · Mon
    No - “many” would not say the debaters were right. Just a few misguided individuals would believe that… the same type of people who would think
    the Holocaust was a good idea and really regret that Hitler and the
    Japanese lost. These evils were only stopped by WW2.

    WW2 was truly a war of good v evil. There are very few such wars where
    the choices are as clearly defined as in WW2.

    Neil Wareham
    · Sat
    A hero versus moral microbes. Dear western useful idiots, if they manage
    to eliminate Israel, next they’ll be after you because you will have
    served your purpose.

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    Allan C
    · Sun
    Well said.

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    Gilbert Mcarthur
    · Sat
    But, of course, in the 1933 the Oxford Union passed a motion (274 /153)
    that they would not fight for King and Country. So not much has changed,
    has it?

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    Sharli Midbar
    · Sun
    Isn't that treason even in England?

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    Tony Fisher
    · Mon
    The percentage has changed from 64% to 75%

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