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    From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 24 00:20:52 2022
    Is that what we moderns are now learning?

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 25 07:28:02 2022
    Either way it's all Darwinian. Species breed up to a tipping point;
    then the strongest prevail.

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to Braungart@verizon.net on Sat Feb 26 08:54:34 2022
    On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 13:22:24 -0800 (PST), The Old Man
    <Braungart@verizon.net> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 3:28:06 PM UTC-5, Peter Jason wrote:
    Either way it's all Darwinian. Species breed up to a tipping point;
    then the strongest prevail.

    No, NOT necessarily the strongest, but rather, as Darwin wrote, the most adaptable.
    Yes that is true. One wonders if lifetime length is some factor in it
    all.

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  • From The Old Man@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Fri Feb 25 13:22:24 2022
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 3:28:06 PM UTC-5, Peter Jason wrote:
    Either way it's all Darwinian. Species breed up to a tipping point;
    then the strongest prevail.

    No, NOT necessarily the strongest, but rather, as Darwin wrote, the most adaptable.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Fri Feb 25 15:04:57 2022
    On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 08:54:34 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 13:22:24 -0800 (PST), The Old Man
    <Braungart@verizon.net> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 3:28:06 PM UTC-5, Peter Jason wrote:
    Either way it's all Darwinian. Species breed up to a tipping point;
    then the strongest prevail.

    No, NOT necessarily the strongest, but rather, as Darwin wrote, the most adaptable.
    Yes that is true. One wonders if lifetime length is some factor in it
    all.

    I would think 'infant death rate' and 'maternal death rate' would be
    huge as well - those two factors are of course the biggest factors in
    the 20th century population explosion despite a falling birthrate
    world wide.

    (Though unevenly meaning some countries continue to explode while
    others barely remain stable)

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Feb 26 06:23:58 2022
    On 2/24/2022 12:20 AM, gggg gggg wrote:
    Re: If the relationship between citizens in a society
    isn't hierarchical, won't it become adversarial?
    Is that what we moderns are now learning?


    By the way:
    https://news.yahoo.com/home-tulsi-stakes-her-claim-043753200.html

    Tulsi Gabbard
    Corbin Bolies
    Fri, February 25, 2022, 8:37 PM·2 min read
    In this article:

    In her 20-minute speech, Gabbard attempted to balance two opposing
    viewpoints: the idea of a “common foundation” in the American public,
    and the idea of a “powerful elite” aimed at canceling and silencing
    those who speak out against the government.

    She touched on multiple themes prevalent throughout the 2022
    gathering—free speech, an “authoritarian” Canada, and the idea that President Joe Biden views those who push back on him as “domestic terrorists.”

    “What they’re telling us is you are an enemy of the state,” she said. “If you dare to oppose or even question the president, his
    administration, or his policies, ‘shut up, step back fall in line, or
    we’re coming after you.’ This isn’t some theory. This is reality.”

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Tue Mar 22 22:26:53 2022
    On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 10:20:54 PM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
    Is that what we moderns are now learning?

    According to this:

    - Confucianism also envisions a society based on a hierarchical system in which each individual’s role is determined by his or her position in society, as well as by familial and personal relationships.

    Within the family unit, all individuals fall within a rigid hierarchy. Those with more subordinate positions in the hierarchy hold a general duty of obedience to the superior members of the family. Though there is considerable emphasis on the duties
    the lower-ranked family members owe to their higher-ranked relatives (two cardinal virtues of an ideal Confucian household are filial piety and obedience), those in superior positions have a reciprocal duty of caring, support and guidance to the
    subordinate members.

    This idea of obedience and rigid application of hierarchical status also applied on a national scale. The same moral values and codes of conduct that prevailed in a family unit extended to the society and nation as a whole – the nation was, in effect,
    an extended family. This concept is reflected in the Chinese word ‘nation/state’ or guo jia (国家). The first character means ‘nation’ and the second means ‘family’. As within the family unit, loyalty and obedience to rulers were paramount
    virtues within society. In the same vein, the rulers are to behave toward those they govern in the same caring way in which fathers were encouraged to behave toward their children.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/psychology/confucius#:~:text=In%20an%20ideal%20Confucian%20society,as%20the%20foundation%20for%20harmony.&text=Confucianism%20also%20envisions%20a%20society,by%20familial%20and%20personal%20relationships

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