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Medieval Coin in Canada Challenges Story of North American Discovery
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 11:58:48 AM UTC-5, a425couple wrote:working on the
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Medieval Coin in Canada Challenges Story of North American Discovery
I thought it was generally accepted that European fishermen were
grand banks long before 1492 and that this would inevitably result insome
landings on Newfoundland.
Why anyone would carry a coin worth a month's wages on such a voyageis something
I don't understand.
William Hyde
On 11/19/22 14:18, William Hyde wrote:
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 11:58:48 AM UTC-5, a425couple wrote:
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Medieval Coin in Canada Challenges Story of North American Discovery
I thought it was generally accepted that European fishermen wereworking on the
grand banks long before 1492 and that this would inevitably result insome
landings on Newfoundland.
Yes, most of us readers would think this fishing would have resulted
in landings much before 1492. But,, yet,,, they never claim to have.
On September 7 2022, I posted on this newsgroup, about this interesting
book I'd read:
Terra Incognita: The True Story of How America Got Its Name
by Rodney Broome
from
https://www.amazon.com/Terra-Incognita-True-Story-America/dp/0944638228
And this very interesting book gives one very possible & likely
reason. If they had brought in fish from another country (i.e. Iceland
or Portugal) they would have had to pay the crown a special duty.
So, is was much cheaper, and profitable for them to have just gone
out on the open ocean and caught these fish!!
Strange how government taxes alter the historical record!
Why anyone would carry a coin worth a month's wages on such a voyageis something
I don't understand.Except, if they were doing major trade transactions!
William Hyde
So, the prior written records / (fictions!) was that a merchant would
send his ship from Bristol England, loaded with spoiled wine (vinigar)
and salt to sea, where they met up with a fishing fleet, and traded
their cargo for dried / keged / salted / compressed fish, and did
the trade, and returned.
Sure sounds like they might have landed on soil and had a trade house!
What do you think William?
On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 1:15:12 PM UTC-5, a425couple wrote:
On 11/19/22 14:18, William Hyde wrote:
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 11:58:48 AM UTC-5, a425couple wrote:
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Medieval Coin in Canada Challenges Story of North American Discovery
I thought it was generally accepted that European fishermen wereworking on the
grand banks long before 1492 and that this would inevitably result insome
landings on Newfoundland.
Yes, most of us readers would think this fishing would have resultedAs I understand it the idea is that they wanted to keep the fishing grounds as
in landings much before 1492. But,, yet,,, they never claim to have.
little known as possible. With only a few fishermen there would be no question of claiming lands and meeting native resistance. As long as
the interlopers did not claim large amounts of land for farming relations might well have stayed quite peaceful.
On September 7 2022, I posted on this newsgroup, about this interesting book I'd read:
Terra Incognita: The True Story of How America Got Its Name
by Rodney Broome
from https://www.amazon.com/Terra-Incognita-True-Story-America/dp/0944638228
And this very interesting book gives one very possible & likelyMuch of the English trade with Greenland went unrecorded for the same reasons.
reason. If they had brought in fish from another country (i.e. Iceland
or Portugal) they would have had to pay the crown a special duty.
So, is was much cheaper, and profitable for them to have just gone
out on the open ocean and caught these fish!!
Strange how government taxes alter the historical record!
Why anyone would carry a coin worth a month's wages on such a voyageis something
I don't understand.Except, if they were doing major trade transactions!
William Hyde
So, the prior written records / (fictions!) was that a merchant wouldI would think the other way around would be more plausible. The English exported fish, and imported wine (and possibly vinegar). Their other big export item was wool, of which Iberia itself had plenty, so I am not sure what the English would trade. Possibly they fished, but also bought
send his ship from Bristol England, loaded with spoiled wine (vinigar)
and salt to sea, where they met up with a fishing fleet, and traded
their cargo for dried / keged / salted / compressed fish, and did
the trade, and returned.
some wine (hence the coins) and the wine was smuggled in.
Sure sounds like they might have landed on soil and had a trade house!
What do you think William?It sounds plausible. Avoiding customs duties and various regulations was standard practice. In one case Irish customs duties went from 6000 pounds
to near zero in a couple of decades, though the trade was still doing well. This was circa 1400, when six thousand pounds was a significant sum.
William Hyde
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:48:37 PM UTC, William Hyde wrote:wrote:
On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 1:15:12 PM UTC-5, a425couple wrote:
On 11/19/22 14:18, William Hyde wrote:
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 11:58:48 AM UTC-5, a425couple
grounds asAs I understand it the idea is that they wanted to keep the fishinghttps://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/medieval-coin-canada-0017528from
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Medieval Coin in Canada Challenges Story of North American Discovery
I thought it was generally accepted that European fishermen were
grand banks long before 1492 and that this would inevitably result insome
landings on Newfoundland.Yes, most of us readers would think this fishing would have resulted
in landings much before 1492. But,, yet,,, they never claim to have.
---------------little known as possible. -----
On September 7 2022, I posted on this newsgroup, about this interesting
book I'd read:
Terra Incognita: The True Story of How America Got Its Name
by Rodney Broome
from
https://www.amazon.com/Terra-Incognita-True-Story-America/dp/0944638228
bigSo, the prior written records / (fictions!) was that a merchant would
send his ship from Bristol England, loaded with spoiled wine (vinigar)
and salt to sea, where they met up with a fishing fleet, and traded
their cargo for dried / keged / salted / compressed fish, and did
the trade, and returned.
I would think the other way around would be more plausible. The English
exported fish, and imported wine (and possibly vinegar). Their other
sureexport item was wool, of which Iberia itself had plenty, so I am not
poundswhat the English would trade. Possibly they fished, but also bought
some wine (hence the coins) and the wine was smuggled in.
Sure sounds like they might have landed on soil and had a trade house!It sounds plausible. Avoiding customs duties and various regulations was
What do you think William?
standard practice. In one case Irish customs duties went from 6000
doing well.to near zero in a couple of decades, though the trade was still
This was circa 1400, when six thousand pounds was a significant sum.
William Hyde
Indeed - over £4 million!
On 11/28/22 01:10, Surreyman wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:48:37 PM UTC, William Hyde wrote:wrote:
On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 1:15:12 PM UTC-5, a425couple wrote:
On 11/19/22 14:18, William Hyde wrote:
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 11:58:48 AM UTC-5, a425couple
---------------As I understand it the idea is that they wanted to keep the fishing grounds ashttps://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/medieval-coin-canada-0017528from
working on theI thought it was generally accepted that European fishermen were
Medieval Coin in Canada Challenges Story of North American Discovery >>>>
grand banks long before 1492 and that this would inevitably result in >>> someYes, most of us readers would think this fishing would have resulted
landings on Newfoundland.
in landings much before 1492. But,, yet,,, they never claim to have.
little known as possible. -----
On September 7 2022, I posted on this newsgroup, about this interesting >>> book I'd read:
Terra Incognita: The True Story of How America Got Its Name
by Rodney Broome
from
https://www.amazon.com/Terra-Incognita-True-Story-America/dp/0944638228 >>>
So, the prior written records / (fictions!) was that a merchant would >>> send his ship from Bristol England, loaded with spoiled wine (vinigar) >>> and salt to sea, where they met up with a fishing fleet, and traded
their cargo for dried / keged / salted / compressed fish, and did
the trade, and returned.
bigI would think the other way around would be more plausible. The English >> exported fish, and imported wine (and possibly vinegar). Their other
Yes,,, the manifests I was recalling showed the Bristol ships had gotten cargos of 'spoiled wine' from Portugal, then stopped back at Bristol,
then on to the fishing areas.
The book has quite a few specifics of what goods were hauled and
traded to
sureexport item was wool, of which Iberia itself had plenty, so I am not
poundswhat the English would trade. Possibly they fished, but also bought
some wine (hence the coins) and the wine was smuggled in.
Sure sounds like they might have landed on soil and had a trade house! >>>It sounds plausible. Avoiding customs duties and various regulations was >> standard practice. In one case Irish customs duties went from 6000
What do you think William?
doing well.to near zero in a couple of decades, though the trade was still
This was circa 1400, when six thousand pounds was a significant sum.
William Hyde
Indeed - over £4 million!It is good to hear from you Surreyman.
Do you ever visit Bristol?
The above book has a number of interesting comments about
trading ships and Bristol 1450-1550. Sail up the estuary,
wait for row boats to pull them with the tide, up river
to tie up to the dock in Bristol, then settle on the river
bottom as the tide goes out.
Interesting to me anyway.
Also interesting is that my current satellite pictures
on Google maps of Bristol, show the River Avon at this
described low tide. And show the need of the later
built Cumberland Basin, protected by locks.
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