• World Central Kitchen deaths in Gaza

    From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 4 17:39:16 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    The death of several workers of the World Central Kitchen organisation
    in Gaza have brought several things into sharper focus.

    First, it provides additional evidence for the genocidal intent of the
    Israeli government.

    The World Central Kitchen was hampering the Israeli war effort by
    feeding people that the Israeli government was trying to starve.

    By killing 7 workers for World Central Kitchen they persuaded those
    who run the organisation to pull out of Gaza.

    Mission accomplished.

    Secondly, it exposes the deviousness and hypocrisy of Western
    governments.


    It seems that WCK has pretty close ties to the security establishments
    of the UK, and possibly those of the US and other Nato countries as
    well.

    Israel, with its aim of starving the people of Gaza, didn't want
    anyone countering that objective by feeding them, so propagated
    rumours about UNRWA employees taking part in the October 7 attacks.
    Several Western governments immediately, without waiting for (or even demanding) verification of these rumours stopped funding UNRWA. This
    meant that they were arguably not merely conniving at, but actually
    complicit in genocide.

    Also, and perhaps more important, it meant that the ruling parties of
    those countries might lose the votes of their more humanitarian-minded supporters in what, in several of the countries involved, was an
    election year.

    So they came up with the solution of replacing the humanitarian aid of
    UNRWA with that of the World Central Kitchen, which worked in close collaboration with the military and security establishments of its
    home countries, and, when in Gaza, worked in close collaboration with
    the Israeli military, who were fully informed of their movements, and
    therefore found it easy to take them out. For more on this, see here:

    <https://www.thecanary.co/global/world-analysis/2024/04/03/world-central-kitchen-solace-global/>

    Satellite images suggest that the second vehicle of the convoy picked
    up survivors of the first hit, and then was hit itself. The survivors
    of the second explosion were picked up by the third vehicle, which was
    then hit.

    It was no accident.

    Thirdly, it exposes the false values of Western Civilization

    In the past six months nearly 200 "humanitarian aid" workers have been
    killed in Gaza, but until the death of workers of the World Central
    Kitchen the Western media barely noticed. Why the sudden concern with
    these seven?

    It can only be because the WCK workers were citizens of countries in
    which the Western media are based, and their lives are therefore
    perceived as being more valuable than those of the inhabitants of
    Gaza.

    For years the Western media had been conducting a propaganda campaign
    against the concept that #AllLivesMatter -- see here:

    <https://khanya.wordpress.com/2016/07/12/how-anti-racism-became-racist-all-lives-matter/>

    and here

    <https://khanya.wordpress.com/2015/11/20/whose-lives-matter/>

    -- because if you don't believe that all lives matter, then the
    question of whose lives you think don't matter becomes quite
    important.

    And, as Samuel Huntington put it in his book "The Clash of
    Civilizations,":

    "The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or
    values or religion (to which few members of other
    civilizations were converted) but rather by its superiority in
    applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this
    fact; non-Westerners never do".


    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From pyotr filipivich@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 4 18:19:24 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> on Thu, 04 Apr 2024 17:39:16 +0200
    typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
    The death of several workers of the World Central Kitchen organisation
    in Gaza have brought several things into sharper focus.

    First, it provides additional evidence for the genocidal intent of the >Israeli government.

    Only to those who believe that Hamas is merely a resistance
    movement, and not the genocidal organization it declares itself to be.

    The World Central Kitchen was hampering the Israeli war effort by
    feeding people that the Israeli government was trying to starve.

    Only to those who continue to ignore that Hamas has been diverting
    aid and materials to their own purposes for the last twenty years.
    Such as diverting donated building supplies in order to build military
    posts under hospitals, UN funded schools, and mosques. They've dug up
    water pipes to make rockets.

    By killing 7 workers for World Central Kitchen they persuaded those
    who run the organisation to pull out of Gaza.

    Hamas has a long history of using "civilian" vehicles to move
    fighters, weapons, and munitions. Too bad for the aid workers, but
    after six months of active war they fit the profile of Hamas
    reinforcements and logistics.

    Mission accomplished.

    Ha! Hamas has been starving the residents of Gaza since the
    beginning. Or were those food supplies air dropped by the Americans
    suppose to have been intended to fill the markets?

    Secondly, it exposes the deviousness and hypocrisy of Western
    governments.

    It seems that WCK has pretty close ties to the security establishments
    of the UK, and possibly those of the US and other Nato countries as
    well.

    Israel, with its aim of starving the people of Gaza, didn't want
    anyone countering that objective by feeding them, so propagated
    rumours about UNRWA employees taking part in the October 7 attacks.
    Several Western governments immediately, without waiting for (or even >demanding) verification of these rumours stopped funding UNRWA. This
    meant that they were arguably not merely conniving at, but actually
    complicit in genocide.

    Also, and perhaps more important, it meant that the ruling parties of
    those countries might lose the votes of their more humanitarian-minded >supporters in what, in several of the countries involved, was an
    election year.

    So they came up with the solution of replacing the humanitarian aid of
    UNRWA with that of the World Central Kitchen, which worked in close >collaboration with the military and security establishments of its
    home countries, and, when in Gaza, worked in close collaboration with
    the Israeli military, who were fully informed of their movements, and >therefore found it easy to take them out. For more on this, see here:

    <https://www.thecanary.co/global/world-analysis/2024/04/03/world-central-kitchen-solace-global/>

    Satellite images suggest that the second vehicle of the convoy picked
    up survivors of the first hit, and then was hit itself. The survivors
    of the second explosion were picked up by the third vehicle, which was
    then hit.

    It was no accident.

    Like I said, when you are following the pattern of a combatant organization which doesn't abide by western sensibilities, do not be
    surprised when you are treated as a hostile force.

    Thirdly, it exposes the false values of Western Civilization
    In the past six months nearly 200 "humanitarian aid" workers have been
    killed in Gaza, but until the death of workers of the World Central
    Kitchen the Western media barely noticed. Why the sudden concern with
    these seven?

    Same as always: The West is anti-Jewish.

    The west still doesn't care that 1700 Jews were tortured, raped
    and massacred, and over 200 innocents were taken as slaves in a series
    of bloody raids.

    It can only be because the WCK workers were citizens of countries in
    which the Western media are based, and their lives are therefore
    perceived as being more valuable than those of the inhabitants of
    Gaza.

    For years the Western media had been conducting a propaganda campaign
    against the concept that #AllLivesMatter -- see here:

    <https://khanya.wordpress.com/2016/07/12/how-anti-racism-became-racist-all-lives-matter/>

    and here

    <https://khanya.wordpress.com/2015/11/20/whose-lives-matter/>

    -- because if you don't believe that all lives matter, then the
    question of whose lives you think don't matter becomes quite
    important.

    And, as Samuel Huntington put it in his book "The Clash of
    Civilizations,":

    "The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or
    values or religion (to which few members of other
    civilizations were converted) but rather by its superiority in
    applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this
    fact; non-Westerners never do".

    So of course, now those opposed to the ideas and their heritage of Western Civilization are applauding those who have not shared those
    ideas, and also want to destroy Western Civilization.

    The suicide of the West is almost complete. Be prepared to
    convert or accept being second class (at best) resident of the
    Caliphate.
    --
    For many "I am spiritual, not religious".seems the short form of
    "I retain the option to adjust my beliefs to fit my lifestyle,
    nor be constrained by prior statements about what I said I believe."

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to phamp@mindspring.com on Mon Apr 8 06:00:01 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    On Thu, 04 Apr 2024 18:19:24 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> on Thu, 04 Apr 2024 17:39:16 +0200
    typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
    The World Central Kitchen was hampering the Israeli war effort by
    feeding people that the Israeli government was trying to starve.

    Only to those who continue to ignore that Hamas has been diverting
    aid and materials to their own purposes for the last twenty years.
    Such as diverting donated building supplies in order to build military
    posts under hospitals, UN funded schools, and mosques. They've dug up
    water pipes to make rockets.

    Irrelevant Israeli government agitprop meme.


    By killing 7 workers for World Central Kitchen they persuaded those
    who run the organisation to pull out of Gaza.

    Hamas has a long history of using "civilian" vehicles to move
    fighters, weapons, and munitions. Too bad for the aid workers, but
    after six months of active war they fit the profile of Hamas
    reinforcements and logistics.

    Irrelevant Israeli government agitprop meme.

    Thirdly, it exposes the false values of Western Civilization
    In the past six months nearly 200 "humanitarian aid" workers have been >>killed in Gaza, but until the death of workers of the World Central
    Kitchen the Western media barely noticed. Why the sudden concern with
    these seven?

    Same as always: The West is anti-Jewish.

    But extremely pro-Israeli.

    The west still doesn't care that 1700 Jews were tortured, raped
    and massacred, and over 200 innocents were taken as slaves in a series
    of bloody raids.

    The West cares a great deal more about them than about the 32000
    inhabitants of Gaza who have been murdered by the Israeli government
    over the last six months, which of course reflects their disdain for
    the idea that #AllLivesMatter




    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com

    For information about why crossposting is (usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad, see:
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  • From pyotr filipivich@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 19 19:55:58 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> on Mon, 08 Apr 2024 06:00:01 +0200
    typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
    On Thu, 04 Apr 2024 18:19:24 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> on Thu, 04 Apr 2024 17:39:16 +0200 >>typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
    The World Central Kitchen was hampering the Israeli war effort by
    feeding people that the Israeli government was trying to starve.

    Only to those who continue to ignore that Hamas has been diverting >>aid and materials to their own purposes for the last twenty years.
    Such as diverting donated building supplies in order to build military >>posts under hospitals, UN funded schools, and mosques. They've dug up
    water pipes to make rockets.

    Irrelevant Israeli government agitprop meme.

    So those were not Hamas bunkers under those places. So who did
    build them there?


    By killing 7 workers for World Central Kitchen they persuaded those
    who run the organisation to pull out of Gaza.

    Hamas has a long history of using "civilian" vehicles to move >>fighters, weapons, and munitions. Too bad for the aid workers, but
    after six months of active war they fit the profile of Hamas
    reinforcements and logistics.

    Irrelevant Israeli government agitprop meme.

    Thirdly, it exposes the false values of Western Civilization
    In the past six months nearly 200 "humanitarian aid" workers have been >>>killed in Gaza, but until the death of workers of the World Central >>>Kitchen the Western media barely noticed. Why the sudden concern with >>>these seven?

    Same as always: The West is anti-Jewish.

    But extremely pro-Israeli.

    I suppose it depends on what your news sources are.





    The west still doesn't care that 1700 Jews were tortured, raped
    and massacred, and over 200 innocents were taken as slaves in a series
    of bloody raids.

    The West cares a great deal more about them than about the 32000

    https://t.me/MOHMediaGaza/4898

    Sorry but the Ministry of Health has admitted that they cannot
    document 11,000 of those deaths

    inhabitants of Gaza who have been murdered by the Israeli government
    over the last six months, which of course reflects their disdain for
    the idea that #AllLivesMatter

    " All lives matter" - except for the Jews.

    You are objectively siding with those who streamed their rapes, tortures, and murders live for the world to see, who have as their
    charter "From the River to the Sea", Palestine will be Judenfrei,
    because civilians have been used as human shields by that same
    Government in their war against civilization.

    The question remains: "Who started the attacks by breaking the latest cease-fire agreement and killing, kidnapping, and raping innocent
    people and what is the proper retaliation to those events when the
    terrorists refuse to return hostages?"

    --
    pyotr filipivich
    When did the word "mosque" take on the meaning "store house for weapons"?

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to phamp@mindspring.com on Wed Apr 24 05:52:49 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:55:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Irrelevant Israeli government agitprop meme.

    So those were not Hamas bunkers under those places. So who did
    build them there?

    Not 12000 dead children, that's for sure.



    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Dr.Who@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Sat May 4 22:00:18 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    On Apr 23, 2024, Steve Hayes wrote
    (in article<be0h2j1ok0jj0p2084ai3tj4bv70p9iejn@4ax.com>):

    On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:55:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Irrelevant Israeli government agitprop meme.

    So those were not Hamas bunkers under those places. So who did
    build them there?

    Not 12000 dead children, that's for sure.

    Where are the videos of the mass graves?
    The coffins?
    Or even the bodies?

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to Dr.Who on Mon May 6 05:40:34 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    On Sat, 04 May 2024 22:00:18 -0700, Dr.Who <dr.who@nunur.biz> wrote:

    On Apr 23, 2024, Steve Hayes wrote
    (in article<be0h2j1ok0jj0p2084ai3tj4bv70p9iejn@4ax.com>):

    On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:55:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Irrelevant Israeli government agitprop meme.

    So those were not Hamas bunkers under those places. So who did
    build them there?

    Not 12000 dead children, that's for sure.

    Where are the videos of the mass graves?
    The coffins?
    Or even the bodies?

    Are you serious?



    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Dr.Who@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Tue May 7 11:46:03 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    On May 5, 2024, Steve Hayes wrote
    (in article<n7kg3j14fs8sheaudu1j68qj1mjkprsg78@4ax.com>):

    On Sat, 04 May 2024 22:00:18 -0700, Dr.Who<dr.who@nunur.biz> wrote:

    On Apr 23, 2024, Steve Hayes wrote
    (in article<be0h2j1ok0jj0p2084ai3tj4bv70p9iejn@4ax.com>):

    On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:55:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Irrelevant Israeli government agitprop meme.

    So those were not Hamas bunkers under those places. So who did
    build them there?

    Not 12000 dead children, that's for sure.

    Where are the videos of the mass graves?
    The coffins?
    Or even the bodies?

    Are you serious?

    Yes, I sure am, you should be as well.

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  • From pyotr filipivich@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 7 19:48:03 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> on Wed, 24 Apr 2024 05:52:49 +0200
    typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
    On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:55:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Irrelevant Israeli government agitprop meme.

    So those were not Hamas bunkers under those places. So who did
    build them there?

    Not 12000 dead children, that's for sure.

    So you don't know.
    The Jews must have dug some tunnels as part of the plot to set
    up Hamas, right?


    --
    For many "I am spiritual, not religious".seems the short form of
    "I retain the option to adjust my beliefs to fit my lifestyle,
    nor be constrained by prior statements about what I said I believe."

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to phamp@mindspring.com on Wed May 8 06:47:39 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    On Tue, 07 May 2024 19:48:03 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> on Wed, 24 Apr 2024 05:52:49 +0200
    typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
    On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:55:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Irrelevant Israeli government agitprop meme.

    So those were not Hamas bunkers under those places. So who did >>>build them there?

    Not 12000 dead children, that's for sure.

    So you don't know.

    I don't know whether these tunnels exist, or ever existed outside
    Israel agitprop, but if they did, they7 were certainly not du7g by
    employees of the World Central Kitchen, not by 12000 ded children.

    Do you seriously think that those people deserved to die because
    someone claimed that someone else had dug some tunnels?

    Do you, or anyone elser, have any evidence that the employees of the
    World Central Kitchen had anything to do with your tunnels?






    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to Dr.Who on Wed May 8 06:39:09 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    On Tue, 07 May 2024 11:46:03 -0700, Dr.Who <dr.who@nunur.biz> wrote:

    On May 5, 2024, Steve Hayes wrote
    (in article<n7kg3j14fs8sheaudu1j68qj1mjkprsg78@4ax.com>):

    On Sat, 04 May 2024 22:00:18 -0700, Dr.Who<dr.who@nunur.biz> wrote:

    On Apr 23, 2024, Steve Hayes wrote
    (in article<be0h2j1ok0jj0p2084ai3tj4bv70p9iejn@4ax.com>):

    On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:55:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Irrelevant Israeli government agitprop meme.

    So those were not Hamas bunkers under those places. So who did
    build them there?

    Not 12000 dead children, that's for sure.

    Where are the videos of the mass graves?
    The coffins?
    Or even the bodies?

    Are you serious?

    Yes, I sure am, you should be as well.

    Well, it's been all over the TV news, but perhaps you don't get to see
    it where you are. Try here for a start:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/mass-graves-gaza-what-do-we-know-2024-04-25/


    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Dr.Who@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Tue May 7 22:52:09 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    On May 7, 2024, Steve Hayes wrote
    (in article<5l0m3j1k45rbht376cn0qp1td7tr748bne@4ax.com>):

    On Tue, 07 May 2024 19:48:03 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> on Wed, 24 Apr 2024 05:52:49 +0200 typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
    On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:55:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Irrelevant Israeli government agitprop meme.

    So those were not Hamas bunkers under those places. So who did
    build them there?

    Not 12000 dead children, that's for sure.

    So you don't know.

    I don't know whether these tunnels exist, or ever existed outside
    Israel agitprop, but if they did, they7 were certainly not du7g by
    employees of the World Central Kitchen, not by 12000 ded children.

    Do you seriously think that those people deserved to die because
    someone claimed that someone else had dug some tunnels?

    Do you, or anyone elser, have any evidence that the employees of the
    World Central Kitchen had anything to do with your tunnels?

    WOW, sitting here shaking my head. :(

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  • From Dr.Who@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Tue May 7 22:47:49 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    On May 7, 2024, Steve Hayes wrote
    (in article<nc0m3jpfkhuu7dmv3odes4rnuc7ue4thsf@4ax.com>):

    On Tue, 07 May 2024 11:46:03 -0700, Dr.Who<dr.who@nunur.biz> wrote:

    On May 5, 2024, Steve Hayes wrote
    (in article<n7kg3j14fs8sheaudu1j68qj1mjkprsg78@4ax.com>):

    On Sat, 04 May 2024 22:00:18 -0700, Dr.Who<dr.who@nunur.biz> wrote:

    On Apr 23, 2024, Steve Hayes wrote
    (in article<be0h2j1ok0jj0p2084ai3tj4bv70p9iejn@4ax.com>):

    On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:55:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Irrelevant Israeli government agitprop meme.

    So those were not Hamas bunkers under those places. So who did build them there?

    Not 12000 dead children, that's for sure.

    Where are the videos of the mass graves?
    The coffins?
    Or even the bodies?

    Are you serious?

    Yes, I sure am, you should be as well.

    Well, it's been all over the TV news, but perhaps you don't get to see
    it where you are. Try here for a start:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/mass-graves-gaza-what-do-we-know-202
    4-04-25/

    No. I did not see that, and I have little trust in their non-verified news.

    In any event, you did not read it either, why? It says,... " The discovery of mass graves at two Gaza hospitals, said by Palestinian authorities to contain hundreds of bodies, have triggered calls by the U.N. rights chief and others for an international investigation. "

    A far cry from your claim, and also mentioned nothing of children. Were they dead fighters? Patients and civilians killed by their own misfired rocket?

    Given that the Israeli’s notify civilians, warn them ahead of time of what
    is to come, via several means, and go out of their way to show them respect, even in the face of knowledge that most of them support Hamas, Israel should not hold back when war is declared on them by others.

    Just look at what goes on there on your own continent. Where is the cry about what happens to the young girls, the children, their slaughter and their
    rape, as well as enslaved peoples?

    Why complain about a people, who many there consider of low regard, when far worse things happen to those all around you?

    The WCK kitchen deaths, while tragic is in fact an example of collateral
    damage to those in a war zone. Because of that medics often are killed or injured and they are aware that this could happen to them for those very reasons. Sadly, at times wars are necessary and one should not turn the other cheek in such a situation.

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  • From pyotr filipivich@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 8 16:35:00 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> on Wed, 08 May 2024 06:47:39 +0200
    typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
    On Tue, 07 May 2024 19:48:03 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> on Wed, 24 Apr 2024 05:52:49 +0200 >>typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
    On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:55:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich >>><phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Irrelevant Israeli government agitprop meme.

    So those were not Hamas bunkers under those places. So who did >>>>build them there?

    Not 12000 dead children, that's for sure.

    So you don't know.

    I don't know whether these tunnels exist, or ever existed outside
    Israel agitprop, but if they did, they7 were certainly not du7g by
    employees of the World Central Kitchen, not by 12000 ded children.

    Do you seriously think that those people deserved to die because
    someone claimed that someone else had dug some tunnels?

    Do you, or anyone elser, have any evidence that the employees of the
    World Central Kitchen had anything to do with your tunnels?

    No, but I do have evidence that you are more concerned about the
    non-Jews in an urban combat zone, than for the Jews who have had to
    sleep in bunkers because the peace loving Gazans were being framed for
    shooting rockets at them.

    You're moral compass is broken. Period, end of discussion. You're not anti-war, you are anti-Israel destroying a terrorist organization.
    Which World Central Kitchen was offering material support for.
    --
    For many "I am spiritual, not religious".seems the short form of
    "I retain the option to adjust my beliefs to fit my lifestyle,
    nor be constrained by prior statements about what I said I believe."

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to phamp@mindspring.com on Thu May 9 06:19:21 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    On Wed, 08 May 2024 16:35:00 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> on Wed, 08 May 2024 06:47:39 +0200
    typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
    On Tue, 07 May 2024 19:48:03 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> on Wed, 24 Apr 2024 05:52:49 +0200 >>>typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
    On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:55:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich >>>><phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Irrelevant Israeli government agitprop meme.

    So those were not Hamas bunkers under those places. So who did >>>>>build them there?

    Not 12000 dead children, that's for sure.

    So you don't know.

    I don't know whether these tunnels exist, or ever existed outside
    Israel agitprop, but if they did, they7 were certainly not du7g by >>employees of the World Central Kitchen, not by 12000 ded children.

    Do you seriously think that those people deserved to die because
    someone claimed that someone else had dug some tunnels?

    Do you, or anyone elser, have any evidence that the employees of the
    World Central Kitchen had anything to do with your tunnels?

    No, but I do have evidence that you are more concerned about the
    non-Jews in an urban combat zone, than for the Jews who have had to
    sleep in bunkers because the peace loving Gazans were being framed for >shooting rockets at them.

    You're moral compass is broken. Period, end of discussion. You're not >anti-war, you are anti-Israel destroying a terrorist organization.
    Which World Central Kitchen was offering material support for.

    I don’t oppose the butchery in Gaza because I love Hamas or hate Jews
    or love Islam or hate America.

    I don’t oppose the butchery in Gaza because I’m a lefty or a commie or
    an anarchist or an anti-imperialist.

    I oppose the butchery in Gaza because I’m not a fucking psychopath.

    Opposing Israel’s butchery in Gaza is so obvious, so common sense,
    such a bare-minimum, fundamental-level, Being Human 101 position that
    if it isn’t immediately self-evident to you after learning the basic
    facts, your problem is much, much deeper than whatever ideology or
    bias or prejudice you might happen to have. There’s something wrong
    with you as a person.

    If you support Israel’s butchery in Gaza, you’ve got much bigger
    problems than merely not having the correct ist or ism belief system.
    You’re just all fucked up inside. Your conditioning has made you into
    a generally shitty human being. You have deep and immensely
    consequential flaws in your character, and you won’t mature as a
    person until you heal and transcend them.

    Opposing Israel’s atrocities in Gaza doesn’t make you a good person,
    it just makes you a normal person?—?and supporting Israel’s atrocities
    in Gaza makes you a bad person. Nobody gets any points for opposing an
    active genocide; that’s just the basic, bare-minimum requirement for a
    normal human being with a functioning empathy center in their brain.
    If you can’t meet that basic, bare-minimum standard, you deserve to be
    viewed with suspicion and disdain, and anyone in your personal life
    who cares about truth, morality and humanity should seriously reassess
    their relationship with you.

    Source:
    <https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/i-oppose-israels-atrocities-in-gaza>


    Ad hominem, yes, though not mine. But since you started with the ad
    himinem, if the cap fits, wear it.


    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From pyotr filipivich@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 18 14:11:11 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    <https://johnalucas6.substack.com/p/what-incentives-does-israel-have?>

    It is a substack essay.

    TL;DR: There are three reasons why Israel has no incentive to stop
    short of total victory:

    1. No matter what steps Israel implements to protect civilians they
    are accused of genocide.

    2. Despite the fact that Hamas started the war, and continues to hold
    dozens of civilian hostages, the incentives presented to Israel are
    punitive while Hamas receives the promise of more benefits.

    3. Lastly, with Hamas stating that they will repeats the October 7th
    attacks as many times as necessary why would Israel stop short of
    their total destruction?

    --
    pyotr filipivich
    "If once a man indulges himself in Murder, very soon he comes
    to think little of Robbing, and from Robbing he comes next to
    Drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to Incivility and Procrastination." T. De Quincy (1785-1859)
    _Murder Considered As One of the Fine Arts_(1827)

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  • From pyotr filipivich@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 18 14:07:27 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    Steve: Every place where he wrote "Israel" just replace it with "Gaza"
    and vice versa.

    You still apparently feel that what Hamas has done, and promises
    to do, is of no import, because "Jews Bad." You call everything the
    IDF does "genocide" debasing the word.
    By calling anything the IDF does "genocide", why should they stop
    now?
    Disapproval of the world community? After the UN votes to upgrade Palestinian UN Membership in the midst of this war, what more are they
    going to do I Hamas is destroyed?
    Fear of a forever War? For your information, the Israelis have
    been in an forever war since 1948, have given up territory in an
    attempt to gain peace. They even removed all the Jews from the Gaza
    territory, leaving many productive industries behind. Which the
    peacef loving palestinians promptly destroyed. Hamas won the elections
    on a platform of destroying Israel and killing all Jews.

    Like I said, for you, everything the IDF does is genocide. Every
    thing Hamas does is just one of those things. That western
    "humanitarian" organizations have been collaborating with the Hamas
    regime doesn't absolve them of complicity in their use as human
    shields, just as Hamas has been using "civilians" as human shields.

    Your outrage is misdirected.


    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> on Thu, 09 May 2024 06:19:21 +0200
    typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
    On Wed, 08 May 2024 16:35:00 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> on Wed, 08 May 2024 06:47:39 +0200 >>typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
    On Tue, 07 May 2024 19:48:03 -0700, pyotr filipivich >>><phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> on Wed, 24 Apr 2024 05:52:49 +0200 >>>>typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
    On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:55:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich >>>>><phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
    Irrelevant Israeli government agitprop meme.
    So those were not Hamas bunkers under those places. So who did >>>>>>build them there?
    Not 12000 dead children, that's for sure.
    So you don't know.
    I don't know whether these tunnels exist, or ever existed outside
    Israel agitprop, but if they did, they7 were certainly not du7g by >>>employees of the World Central Kitchen, not by 12000 ded children.

    Do you seriously think that those people deserved to die because
    someone claimed that someone else had dug some tunnels?

    Do you, or anyone elser, have any evidence that the employees of the >>>World Central Kitchen had anything to do with your tunnels?

    No, but I do have evidence that you are more concerned about the
    non-Jews in an urban combat zone, than for the Jews who have had to
    sleep in bunkers because the peace loving Gazans were being framed for >>shooting rockets at them.

    You're moral compass is broken. Period, end of discussion. You're not >>anti-war, you are anti-Israel destroying a terrorist organization.
    Which World Central Kitchen was offering material support for.

    I don’t oppose the butchery in Gaza because I love Hamas or hate Jews
    or love Islam or hate America.

    I don’t oppose the butchery in Gaza because I’m a lefty or a commie or
    an anarchist or an anti-imperialist.

    I oppose the butchery in Gaza because I’m not a fucking psychopath.

    Opposing Israel’s butchery in Gaza is so obvious, so common sense,
    such a bare-minimum, fundamental-level, Being Human 101 position that
    if it isn’t immediately self-evident to you after learning the basic
    facts, your problem is much, much deeper than whatever ideology or
    bias or prejudice you might happen to have. There’s something wrong
    with you as a person.

    If you support Israel’s butchery in Gaza, you’ve got much bigger
    problems than merely not having the correct ist or ism belief system.
    You’re just all fucked up inside. Your conditioning has made you into
    a generally shitty human being. You have deep and immensely
    consequential flaws in your character, and you won’t mature as a
    person until you heal and transcend them.

    Opposing Israel’s atrocities in Gaza doesn’t make you a good person,
    it just makes you a normal person?—?and supporting Israel’s atrocities
    in Gaza makes you a bad person. Nobody gets any points for opposing an
    active genocide; that’s just the basic, bare-minimum requirement for a
    normal human being with a functioning empathy center in their brain.
    If you can’t meet that basic, bare-minimum standard, you deserve to be
    viewed with suspicion and disdain, and anyone in your personal life
    who cares about truth, morality and humanity should seriously reassess
    their relationship with you.

    Source:
    <https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/i-oppose-israels-atrocities-in-gaza>


    Ad hominem, yes, though not mine. But since you started with the ad
    himinem, if the cap fits, wear it.

    You chose sides, do not expect me to bless you for your support of
    a terrorist group.



    --
    For many "I am spiritual, not religious".seems the short form of
    "I retain the option to adjust my beliefs to fit my lifestyle,
    nor be constrained by prior statements about what I said I believe."

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to phamp@mindspring.com on Mon May 20 11:52:52 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    On Sat, 18 May 2024 14:07:27 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Steve: Every place where he wrote "Israel" just replace it with "Gaza"
    and vice versa.

    You still apparently feel that what Hamas has done, and promises
    to do, is of no import, because "Jews Bad."

    Wrong.

    Hamas has done bad thing, and did bad things on 7 October 2023, but
    what they did on one day does not justify the genocide is still going
    on right now.

    What Hamas has promised to do -- see here --

    <https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full>

    may be of import in future political negotiations, but it does not
    justify the genocide that is going on right now.

    You call everything the
    IDF does "genocide" debasing the word.

    No, I do do not call "everything" the IDF does "genocide".

    The things that it does that I call genocide are the mass murder it
    has been carrying out for the last five months and is still doing
    today, and the destruction of health services and educational
    institutions, which form part of the legal definition of genocide.

    Like I said, for you, everything the IDF does is genocide.

    Your attitude of "If I want your opinion I'll give it to you" seems
    rather arrogant.

    By all means say what you think, but you are really not qualified to
    tell me what I think.


    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From pyotr filipivich@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 20 10:55:29 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.peace
    XPost: alt.politics.religion

    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> on Mon, 20 May 2024 11:52:52 +0200
    typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
    On Sat, 18 May 2024 14:07:27 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Steve: Every place where he wrote "Israel" just replace it with "Gaza"
    and vice versa.

    You still apparently feel that what Hamas has done, and promises
    to do, is of no import, because "Jews Bad."

    Wrong.

    Hamas has done bad thing, and did bad things on 7 October 2023, but
    what they did on one day does not justify the genocide is still going
    on right now.
    So as you are accusing the IDF of genocide or mass murder for
    whatever happens, why should they not continue on their mission to
    destroy Hamas?

    What Hamas has promised to do -- see here --

    <https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full>

    may be of import in future political negotiations, but it does not
    justify the genocide that is going on right now.

    And so, because you consider everything the IDF to be Genocide,
    and apparently are willing to excuse Hamas actions, you want Israel to
    stop defending themselves, while you and the rest of the "west" help
    Hamas rebuild so they can commit later atrocities.

    You call everything the
    IDF does "genocide" debasing the word.

    No, I do do not call "everything" the IDF does "genocide".

    The things that it does that I call genocide are the mass murder it
    has been carrying out for the last five months and is still doing
    today, and the destruction of health services and educational
    institutions, which form part of the legal definition of genocide.

    "mass murder" right.

    Most people have no idea what is involved in urban warfare, and
    what is euphemistically called "collateral damage".

    If the IDF had really wanted to commit mass murder, all they would
    have had to do is shut off the power and water, seal the border, and
    bomb the cities flat.

    Like I said, for you, everything the IDF does is genocide.

    Your attitude of "If I want your opinion I'll give it to you" seems
    rather arrogant.

    genocide, mass murder, whatever. Your compassion for Hamas is
    showing. Even as you hide behind the fig leaf of "compassion" and
    objection to violence, the objective reality is that you would rather
    preserve a terrorist organization so that it might commit further
    atrocities against Israel.

    By all means say what you think, but you are really not qualified to
    tell me what I think.

    True enough. But he who says A, says B.

    You want the Israelis to keep Hamas alive, despite knowing that
    that Hamas intends to conduct more atrocities against Israel.
    Despite your claims to compassion, objectively you are on the side
    of more atrocities, more blood shed, more forever war, and no peace.
    --
    For many "I am spiritual, not religious".seems the short form of
    "I retain the option to adjust my beliefs to fit my lifestyle,
    nor be constrained by prior statements about what I said I believe."

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to phamp@mindspring.com on Tue May 21 04:45:08 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.peace
    XPost: alt.politics.religion

    On Mon, 20 May 2024 10:55:29 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> on Mon, 20 May 2024 11:52:52 +0200
    typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
    On Sat, 18 May 2024 14:07:27 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Steve: Every place where he wrote "Israel" just replace it with "Gaza" >>>and vice versa.

    You still apparently feel that what Hamas has done, and promises
    to do, is of no import, because "Jews Bad."

    Wrong.

    Hamas has done bad thing, and did bad things on 7 October 2023, but
    what they did on one day does not justify the genocide is still going
    on right now.
    So as you are accusing the IDF of genocide or mass murder for
    whatever happens, why should they not continue on their mission to
    destroy Hamas?

    What Hamas has promised to do -- see here --

    <https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full>

    may be of import in future political negotiations, but it does not
    justify the genocide that is going on right now.

    And so, because you consider everything the IDF to be Genocide,
    and apparently are willing to excuse Hamas actions, you want Israel to
    stop defending themselves, while you and the rest of the "west" help
    Hamas rebuild so they can commit later atrocities.

    You call everything the
    IDF does "genocide" debasing the word.

    No, I do do not call "everything" the IDF does "genocide".

    The things that it does that I call genocide are the mass murder it
    has been carrying out for the last five months and is still doing
    today, and the destruction of health services and educational
    institutions, which form part of the legal definition of genocide.

    "mass murder" right.

    Most people have no idea what is involved in urban warfare, and
    what is euphemistically called "collateral damage".

    If the IDF had really wanted to commit mass murder, all they would
    have had to do is shut off the power and water, seal the border, and
    bomb the cities flat.

    Like I said, for you, everything the IDF does is genocide.

    Your attitude of "If I want your opinion I'll give it to you" seems
    rather arrogant.

    genocide, mass murder, whatever. Your compassion for Hamas is
    showing. Even as you hide behind the fig leaf of "compassion" and
    objection to violence, the objective reality is that you would rather >preserve a terrorist organization so that it might commit further
    atrocities against Israel.

    By all means say what you think, but you are really not qualified to
    tell me what I think.

    True enough. But he who says A, says B.

    You want the Israelis to keep Hamas alive, despite knowing that
    that Hamas intends to conduct more atrocities against Israel.
    Despite your claims to compassion, objectively you are on the side
    of more atrocities, more blood shed, more forever war, and no peace.


    Stop lying.


    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Dr.Who@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Tue May 21 23:42:02 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.peace
    XPost: alt.politics.religion

    On May 20, 2024, Steve Hayes wrote
    (in article<b36m4jttucpd1ub7f4p8l6d3uugqldaor9@4ax.com>):

    On Sat, 18 May 2024 14:07:27 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Steve: Every place where he wrote "Israel" just replace it with "Gaza"
    and vice versa.

    You still apparently feel that what Hamas has done, and promises
    to do, is of no import, because "Jews Bad."

    Wrong.

    Hamas has done bad thing, and did bad things on 7 October 2023, but
    what they did on one day does not justify the genocide is still going
    on right now.

    What Hamas has promised to do -- see here --

    <https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full>

    may be of import in future political negotiations, but it does not
    justify the genocide that is going on right now.

    You call everything the
    IDF does "genocide" debasing the word.

    No, I do do not call "everything" the IDF does "genocide".

    The things that it does that I call genocide are the mass murder it
    has been carrying out for the last five months and is still doing
    today, and the destruction of health services and educational
    institutions, which form part of the legal definition of genocide.

    When both of those services were used as cloaks and shields to cover for the Hamas terrorits, as as been well proven, and that the Hamas also used the
    local citizens as their shields, and the Hamas in concert with the UN taught the students the ways of Nazism with full co-operation with UN employees as
    has also been admitted finally by the UN, the tunnels under those places and the Hospitals especially so that the Data Centers of the Hamas in the tunnels was powered by the hospitals, the food from the hospitals fed the Hamas first before others, half of the medical staffs were Hamas and in fact weapons were stored in educational facilities as well as the Hospitals, command centers
    were in the basements of some hospitals, The Prescriptions for the hostages
    of the Hamas were found with their names on the meds, packages unopened, etc. And I could go on and on in regards to this, but somehow I don’t think you would accept the reality of what I just said.

    I agree basically with pyotr that you are biased, given your past statements
    of the last 10 years in regards to things political.

    Ask yourself given the meager info you have, if your daughter were one of
    their hostages, would you fell comfortable with her stay as a captive?


    Like I said, for you, everything the IDF does is genocide.

    Your attitude of "If I want your opinion I'll give it to you" seems
    rather arrogant.

    By all means say what you think, but you are really not qualified to
    tell me what I think.

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  • From Dr.Who@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Wed May 22 17:35:13 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    On May 8, 2024, Steve Hayes wrote
    (in article<icjo3jdnb9jcrfvtcg9igl4l7bcpqb4ve9@4ax.com>):

    On Wed, 08 May 2024 16:35:00 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> on Wed, 08 May 2024 06:47:39 +0200 typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
    On Tue, 07 May 2024 19:48:03 -0700, pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> on Wed, 24 Apr 2024 05:52:49 +0200 typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
    On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:55:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Irrelevant Israeli government agitprop meme.

    So those were not Hamas bunkers under those places. So who did build them there?

    Not 12000 dead children, that's for sure.

    So you don't know.

    I don't know whether these tunnels exist, or ever existed outside
    Israel agitprop, but if they did, they7 were certainly not du7g by employees of the World Central Kitchen, not by 12000 ded children.

    Do you seriously think that those people deserved to die because
    someone claimed that someone else had dug some tunnels?

    Do you, or anyone elser, have any evidence that the employees of the World Central Kitchen had anything to do with your tunnels?

    No, but I do have evidence that you are more concerned about the
    non-Jews in an urban combat zone, than for the Jews who have had to
    sleep in bunkers because the peace loving Gazans were being framed for shooting rockets at them.

    You're moral compass is broken. Period, end of discussion. You're not anti-war, you are anti-Israel destroying a terrorist organization.
    Which World Central Kitchen was offering material support for.

    I don’t oppose the butchery in Gaza because I love Hamas or hate Jews
    or love Islam or hate America.

    I don’t oppose the butchery in Gaza because I’m a lefty or a commie or
    an anarchist or an anti-imperialist.

    I oppose the butchery in Gaza because I’m not a fucking psychopath.

    Opposing Israel’s butchery in Gaza is so obvious, so common sense,
    such a bare-minimum, fundamental-level, Being Human 101 position that
    if it isn’t immediately self-evident to you after learning the basic
    facts, your problem is much, much deeper than whatever ideology or
    bias or prejudice you might happen to have. There’s something wrong
    with you as a person.

    If you support Israel’s butchery in Gaza, you’ve got much bigger
    problems than merely not having the correct ist or ism belief system. You’re just all fucked up inside. Your conditioning has made you into
    a generally shitty human being. You have deep and immensely
    consequential flaws in your character, and you won’t mature as a
    person until you heal and transcend them.

    Opposing Israel’s atrocities in Gaza doesn’t make you a good person,
    it just makes you a normal person?—?and supporting Israel’s atrocities
    in Gaza makes you a bad person. Nobody gets any points for opposing an
    active genocide; that’s just the basic, bare-minimum requirement for a normal human being with a functioning empathy center in their brain.
    If you can’t meet that basic, bare-minimum standard, you deserve to be viewed with suspicion and disdain, and anyone in your personal life
    who cares about truth, morality and humanity should seriously reassess
    their relationship with you.

    Source:
    <https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/i-oppose-israels-atrocities-in-gaza>

    Ad hominem, yes, though not mine. But since you started with the ad
    himinem, if the cap fits, wear it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4K25tuVYX4

    Watch this see if it differs from what you go by.

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  • From pyotr filipivich@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 23 18:47:27 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox XPost: alt.peace

    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> on Thu, 09 May 2024 06:19:21 +0200
    typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:

    May God bless and heal.
    --
    pyotr filipivich
    Gott hilfen und wir leben.
    (God helping and we live ..)

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  • From Ivan Farlenkov@21:1/5 to Dr.Who on Fri Jun 7 19:20:27 2024
    XPost: alt.anti-war, alt.christnet.ethics, alt.peace
    XPost: alt.politics.religion

    On 22.05.2024 11:42, Dr.Who wrote:
    When both of those services were used as cloaks and shields to cover for the Hamas terrorits, as as been well proven, and that the Hamas also used the local citizens as their shields,
    This is not a reason to strike civilians.

    and the Hamas in concert with the UN taught the students the ways of Nazism
    Big if true.
    with full co-operation with UN employees as
    Ok, let's enter your world of crazy. Why would UN do this?
    the tunnels under those places
    You mean those that were dug by state of Israel?> the Hospitals especially so that the Data Centers of the Hamas in the tunnels
    was powered by the hospitals, the food from the hospitals fed the Hamas first before others
    Don't forget the hostage lists in hospitals! Wait, those were just
    hand-written calendars? Oops.
    weapons were stored in educational facilities as well as the Hospitals, command centers were in the basements of some hospitals, The Prescriptions for the hostages of the Hamas were found with their names on the meds, packages unopened, etc. And I could go on and on in regards to this, but somehow I don’t think you would accept the reality of what I just said.
    Because you don't post any proof. There is plenty of proof of IOF atrocities, many of which is filmed by it's soldiers> Ask yourself given the meager info you have, if your daughter were one of
    their hostages, would you fell comfortable with her stay as a captive?
    State of Israel basically doing Beslan school hostage crisis but upscaled.

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