• On pedagogy

    From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 7 20:39:09 2023
    Forrest Valkai recently posted this 32-minute self-identified rant
    about YEC teachers teaching evolution:

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47XLxMz-JHE> ************************************
    @12:34
    This kid just talked about what he thinks the supernatural world is
    and how it works here, and now we could have a conversation about
    that.
    We don't have to say "Okay, yeah, no, that, that sure is one way to do
    it, Billy." No! We just talk about:

    1. How do you know that?
    2. Is there a way we can test that?
    3. What kind of evidence do we have for that?
    4. What kind of evidence do we have for evolution?
    5. Let's talk about what a model is, right?
    6. Does the evidence seem to fit the evolutionary model?
    7. Or does it fit the model of what you're talking about?
    8. Let's talk about inductive versus deductive reasoning.
    9. Are we starting with an idea and looking for evidence?
    10. Or are we starting with the evidence and drawing conclusions from
    it?
    11. Which one of those really works better?
    12. Which one of those is safer from bias?
    13. What methodology could you use to test these ideas that you're
    sharing with the class right now?
    14. Is it possible that we're both right at the same time?
    15. Why or why not?
    16. Would you use the same kind of rules the same heuristics to apply
    to both of these concepts?
    17. Why or why not?
    *******************************************

    My recollection is the questions above are very similar to the
    questions I and others have asked of Creationist/ID posters, usually
    in vain.

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  • From israel socratus@21:1/5 to jillery on Sat Feb 11 03:27:36 2023
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 4:35:17 AM UTC+2, jillery wrote:
    Forrest Valkai recently posted this 32-minute self-identified rant
    about YEC teachers teaching evolution:

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47XLxMz-JHE> ************************************
    @12:34
    This kid just talked about what he thinks the supernatural world is
    and how it works here, and now we could have a conversation about
    that.
    We don't have to say "Okay, yeah, no, that, that sure is one way to do
    it, Billy." No! We just talk about:

    1. How do you know that?
    2. Is there a way we can test that?
    3. What kind of evidence do we have for that?
    4. What kind of evidence do we have for evolution?
    5. Let's talk about what a model is, right?
    6. Does the evidence seem to fit the evolutionary model?
    7. Or does it fit the model of what you're talking about?
    8. Let's talk about inductive versus deductive reasoning.
    9. Are we starting with an idea and looking for evidence?
    10. Or are we starting with the evidence and drawing conclusions from
    it?
    11. Which one of those really works better?
    12. Which one of those is safer from bias?
    13. What methodology could you use to test these ideas that you're
    sharing with the class right now?
    14. Is it possible that we're both right at the same time?
    15. Why or why not?
    16. Would you use the same kind of rules the same heuristics to apply
    to both of these concepts?
    17. Why or why not?
    *******************************************
    18. "To be, or not to be, that is the question"
    /Prince Hamlet/

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