• A Drawback to Killfiles WAS: Re: Frozen Planet II

    From peter2nyikos@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Bob Casanova on Thu Mar 30 19:41:26 2023
    Killfiles can have a pernicious effect on those who wield them.
    It makes them prey to those who avidly snip highly relevant
    comments in order to make their side of a dispute look stronger than it is.

    A mild example is illustrated below.

    On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 8:35:06 PM UTC-4, Bob Casanova wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 14:43:45 -0700 (PDT), the following
    appeared in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
    <eastsi...@gmail.com>:
    On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 1:35:06?PM UTC-7, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 08:40:58 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com"
    <peter2...@gmail.com> continues to post his irrelevant and
    repetitive comments aka spam:

    On the off chance that you are reading this, Bob, I'd like to call your attention
    to this little bit in my reply to jillery on this thread this morning. >> >
    ____________________________ repost begins ________________
    All of which are consistent with my expressed meaning, of comments
    which are repetitive and irrelevant.

    Perhaps we should put it to a vote of the people here as to whether they >> >go along with your opinion of Casanova's usage of "Killfiles are your friend' as being "spam."

    Some might even agree with Casanova so vigorously that they might post, >> >"I am Casanova" in analogy with "I am Spartacus" and more recently, "I am Charlie Hebdo."
    ============================ repost ends=====================

    The above is a good example of PeeWee Peter's shit-stirring. As for
    putting anything to a vote, I have zero expectation that anyone would
    agree with me even if I said water was wet, and I have every
    expectation at least one person would claim offense over it.

    Lately you.ve been taking offence at both silence and response. What are you
    expecting? Nyikos does what he does, much of which is easily ignorable. For the record,
    water was wet the last I looked.

    Jillery's characterization of "shit-stirring" was exactly on
    target, which is why Peter the Grate has a permanent paid
    lease in my killfile.

    The pay goes to the pipers like jillery who snip things to make what
    goes on look worse for the killfiled party than they really are.


    And FWIW, my definition of spam in the
    Usenet venue, as in email, includes neither potted meat (the
    actual original) nor suggestions related to stated specific
    problems.

    I wasn't seriously recommending a vote.

    I think it was because of earlier run-ins we had, that Bob took my "Perhaps we should"
    as a recommendation. If he had bothered to look at the whole exchange, starting with
    my reply to Öö Tiib, and not just the outcome of heavy "editing" by jillery, he would have seen
    his own comment,

    And FYI, referencing killfiles in response to a post about
    idiots who (IMHO; YMMV) should be ignored is not spam except
    in jilleryWorld.

    If I had seriously wanted to put this issue to a vote, this too would have been on the ballot, and then there might have been vote-splitting by individuals, e.g. disapproving of what both jillery and Bob claimed.

    But I wouldn't have seriously wanted a vote unless there was a groundswell
    of opinion in favor of it, and the groundswell is obviously against it.


    Peter Nyikos

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 31 05:16:28 2023
    On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:41:26 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com" <peter2nyikos@gmail.com> continues to spam mindless shit-stirring
    crap:

    The pay goes to the pipers like jillery who snip things to make what
    goes on look worse for the killfiled party than they really are.


    The irony, it burns.

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  • From peter2nyikos@gmail.com@21:1/5 to jillery on Fri Mar 31 05:51:04 2023
    On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 5:20:06 AM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:41:26 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com"

    ... gives a mild example of the pernicious effects killfiles can have.
    A much worse one from the standpoint of on-topic debate and discussion
    will be shown later today on a new offshoot of "Frozen Planet II".

    Unfortunately, most people on "Frozen Planet II" seem to be far less interested in
    on-topic debate and discussion than in the bonding that comes from personal comments.


    <peter2...@gmail.com> continues to spam mindless shit-stirring
    crap:

    Far from mindless, and your massive snippage of what I wrote keeps
    Bob Casanova from seeing that. And so, the pernicious effects of killfiles continue to unfold.



    The pay goes to the pipers like jillery who snip things to make what
    goes on look worse for the killfiled party than they really are.

    To this, you respond with mindless repartee:

    The irony, it burns.

    It should burn you: for years, you have applied the dirty debating trick
    I've called The One Shade of Gray Meltdown to all kinds of things.
    In the case of snippage, you have melted down snips for the sake
    of removing redundancy to the same shade of gray as snips for the
    sake of making libels look plausible.


    Peter Nyikos

    PS As for "shit-stirring," Bob showed everyone, with his agreement with you about it on the original thread,
    how the tiff between him and you is only skin deep.

    Any time you want yourself and Bob to be doing a "kiss and make up,"
    you can seize an opportunity where he is showing solidarity with you
    in attacking a common opponent.

    His agreement with you, clearly visible in my post
    to which you've applied massive snippage here,
    seems like such an opportunity, but YMMV.

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  • From peter2nyikos@gmail.com@21:1/5 to peter2...@gmail.com on Fri Mar 31 19:42:17 2023
    On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 8:55:06 AM UTC-4, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 5:20:06 AM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:41:26 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com"
    ... gives a mild example of the pernicious effects killfiles can have.

    A much worse one from the standpoint of on-topic debate and discussion
    will be shown later today on a new offshoot of "Frozen Planet II".

    Alas, urgent family duties have intervened, and I will have to put this off until Monday.
    [Weekends are devoted to family by a long-term agreement.]


    Peter Nyikos

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 1 08:43:47 2023
    On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 05:51:04 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com" <peter2nyikos@gmail.com> continues to post his irrelevant and
    repetitive comments aka spam:

    I challenge PeeWee Peter to identify any comment of his below which
    can be reasonably described as "on-topic to Frozen Planet II".

    I challenge Hemidactylus to identify any comment of Pee Wee Peter's
    below which can be reasonably described as "civil".

    Willful blindness and hypocritical virtue signaling remains pandemic
    on T.O.


    <spam left uncommented for purposes of documentation>


    On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 5:20:06?AM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:41:26 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com"

    ... gives a mild example of the pernicious effects killfiles can have.
    A much worse one from the standpoint of on-topic debate and discussion
    will be shown later today on a new offshoot of "Frozen Planet II".

    Unfortunately, most people on "Frozen Planet II" seem to be far less interested in
    on-topic debate and discussion than in the bonding that comes from personal comments.


    <peter2...@gmail.com> continues to spam mindless shit-stirring
    crap:

    Far from mindless, and your massive snippage of what I wrote keeps
    Bob Casanova from seeing that. And so, the pernicious effects of killfiles >continue to unfold.



    The pay goes to the pipers like jillery who snip things to make what
    goes on look worse for the killfiled party than they really are.

    To this, you respond with mindless repartee:

    The irony, it burns.

    It should burn you: for years, you have applied the dirty debating trick >I've called The One Shade of Gray Meltdown to all kinds of things.
    In the case of snippage, you have melted down snips for the sake
    of removing redundancy to the same shade of gray as snips for the
    sake of making libels look plausible.


    Peter Nyikos

    PS As for "shit-stirring," Bob showed everyone, with his agreement with you about it on the original thread,
    how the tiff between him and you is only skin deep.

    Any time you want yourself and Bob to be doing a "kiss and make up,"
    you can seize an opportunity where he is showing solidarity with you
    in attacking a common opponent.

    His agreement with you, clearly visible in my post
    to which you've applied massive snippage here,
    seems like such an opportunity, but YMMV.

    --
    You're entitled to your own opinions.
    You're not entitled to your own facts.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to jillery on Sat Apr 1 16:21:29 2023
    jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 05:51:04 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com" <peter2nyikos@gmail.com> continues to post his irrelevant and
    repetitive comments aka spam:

    I challenge PeeWee Peter to identify any comment of his below which
    can be reasonably described as "on-topic to Frozen Planet II".

    I challenge Hemidactylus to identify any comment of Pee Wee Peter's
    below which can be reasonably described as "civil".

    I had said “quite civil to me recently on this thread”.

    Willful blindness and hypocritical virtue signaling remains pandemic
    on T.O.


    <spam left uncommented for purposes of documentation>


    On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 5:20:06?AM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:41:26 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com"

    ... gives a mild example of the pernicious effects killfiles can have.
    A much worse one from the standpoint of on-topic debate and discussion
    will be shown later today on a new offshoot of "Frozen Planet II".

    Unfortunately, most people on "Frozen Planet II" seem to be far less interested in
    on-topic debate and discussion than in the bonding that comes from personal comments.


    <peter2...@gmail.com> continues to spam mindless shit-stirring
    crap:

    Far from mindless, and your massive snippage of what I wrote keeps
    Bob Casanova from seeing that. And so, the pernicious effects of killfiles >> continue to unfold.



    The pay goes to the pipers like jillery who snip things to make what
    goes on look worse for the killfiled party than they really are.

    To this, you respond with mindless repartee:

    The irony, it burns.

    It should burn you: for years, you have applied the dirty debating trick
    I've called The One Shade of Gray Meltdown to all kinds of things.
    In the case of snippage, you have melted down snips for the sake
    of removing redundancy to the same shade of gray as snips for the
    sake of making libels look plausible.


    Peter Nyikos

    PS As for "shit-stirring," Bob showed everyone, with his agreement with
    you about it on the original thread,
    how the tiff between him and you is only skin deep.

    Any time you want yourself and Bob to be doing a "kiss and make up,"
    you can seize an opportunity where he is showing solidarity with you
    in attacking a common opponent.

    His agreement with you, clearly visible in my post
    to which you've applied massive snippage here,
    seems like such an opportunity, but YMMV.


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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to ecphoric@allspamis.invalid on Tue Apr 4 05:39:24 2023
    On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 16:21:29 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
    <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

    jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 05:51:04 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com"
    <peter2nyikos@gmail.com> continues to post his irrelevant and
    repetitive comments aka spam:

    I challenge PeeWee Peter to identify any comment of his below which
    can be reasonably described as "on-topic to Frozen Planet II".

    I challenge Hemidactylus to identify any comment of Pee Wee Peter's
    below which can be reasonably described as "civil".

    I had said “quite civil to me recently on this thread”.


    I don't dispute you wrote what you quoted. However, the entirety of
    your comment in that post was:

    ***********************************
    Peter was quite civil to me recently on this thread. You might
    consider following his lead. You are just plain rude and obnoxious. ************************************

    And to eliminate any reasonable excuse for anybody to conveniently
    ignore context:
    ***********************************
    From: *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid>
    Newsgroups: talk.origins
    Subject: Re: A Metamorphosis of Martin Harran WAS: Re: Frozen Planet
    II
    Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2023 09:02:36 +0000
    Message-ID: <-SudnWpVB7QxY775nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> ************************************

    In the above, you allude to an unspecified post PeeWee Peter wrote.
    You claim it as a contrasting example to my post, and suggest I follow
    it as a model of civility. Your comments suggests to me two things:

    1. You believe the post to which you allude somehow redeems PeeWee
    Peter from all of his other posts where he has been very much UNcivil
    to you.

    2. You believe my post to which you replied somehow condemns me
    personally as "plain rude and obnoxious".

    Again, to eliminate reasonable excuses, the following is the entirety
    of my comment from my reply:
    *************************************
    YOU:
    I find it commendable that I fail to detect the slightest trace of sarcasm >> in your reply.

    ME:
    Consider willful blindness and/or deafness.
    *************************************

    I challenge you, Hemidactylus, to identify what it is about my comment
    cited above that you find uncivil or rude or obnoxious? Or were you
    just doing tit-for-tat?


    --
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    You're not entitled to your own facts.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to jillery on Tue Apr 4 14:02:38 2023
    jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 16:21:29 +0000, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

    jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 05:51:04 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com"
    <peter2nyikos@gmail.com> continues to post his irrelevant and
    repetitive comments aka spam:

    I challenge PeeWee Peter to identify any comment of his below which
    can be reasonably described as "on-topic to Frozen Planet II".

    I challenge Hemidactylus to identify any comment of Pee Wee Peter's
    below which can be reasonably described as "civil".

    I had said “quite civil to me recently on this thread”.


    I don't dispute you wrote what you quoted. However, the entirety of
    your comment in that post was:

    ***********************************
    Peter was quite civil to me recently on this thread. You might
    consider following his lead. You are just plain rude and obnoxious.
    ************************************

    And to eliminate any reasonable excuse for anybody to conveniently
    ignore context:
    ***********************************
    From: *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid>
    Newsgroups: talk.origins
    Subject: Re: A Metamorphosis of Martin Harran WAS: Re: Frozen Planet
    II
    Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2023 09:02:36 +0000
    Message-ID: <-SudnWpVB7QxY775nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> ************************************

    In the above, you allude to an unspecified post PeeWee Peter wrote.
    You claim it as a contrasting example to my post, and suggest I follow
    it as a model of civility. Your comments suggests to me two things:

    1. You believe the post to which you allude somehow redeems PeeWee
    Peter from all of his other posts where he has been very much UNcivil
    to you.

    2. You believe my post to which you replied somehow condemns me
    personally as "plain rude and obnoxious".

    Again, to eliminate reasonable excuses, the following is the entirety
    of my comment from my reply:
    *************************************
    YOU:
    I find it commendable that I fail to detect the slightest trace of sarcasm >>> in your reply.

    ME:
    Consider willful blindness and/or deafness.
    *************************************

    I challenge you, Hemidactylus, to identify what it is about my comment
    cited above that you find uncivil or rude or obnoxious? Or were you
    just doing tit-for-tat?


    Your ultimatum is rude, obnoxious, petty, and silly.

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to ecphoric@allspamis.invalid on Wed Apr 5 21:36:24 2023
    On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 14:02:38 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
    <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

    jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 16:21:29 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
    <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

    jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 05:51:04 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com"
    <peter2nyikos@gmail.com> continues to post his irrelevant and
    repetitive comments aka spam:

    I challenge PeeWee Peter to identify any comment of his below which
    can be reasonably described as "on-topic to Frozen Planet II".

    I challenge Hemidactylus to identify any comment of Pee Wee Peter's
    below which can be reasonably described as "civil".

    I had said “quite civil to me recently on this thread”.


    I don't dispute you wrote what you quoted. However, the entirety of
    your comment in that post was:

    ***********************************
    Peter was quite civil to me recently on this thread. You might
    consider following his lead. You are just plain rude and obnoxious.
    ************************************

    And to eliminate any reasonable excuse for anybody to conveniently
    ignore context:
    ***********************************
    From: *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid>
    Newsgroups: talk.origins
    Subject: Re: A Metamorphosis of Martin Harran WAS: Re: Frozen Planet
    II
    Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2023 09:02:36 +0000
    Message-ID: <-SudnWpVB7QxY775nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>
    ************************************

    In the above, you allude to an unspecified post PeeWee Peter wrote.
    You claim it as a contrasting example to my post, and suggest I follow
    it as a model of civility. Your comments suggests to me two things:

    1. You believe the post to which you allude somehow redeems PeeWee
    Peter from all of his other posts where he has been very much UNcivil
    to you.

    2. You believe my post to which you replied somehow condemns me
    personally as "plain rude and obnoxious".

    Again, to eliminate reasonable excuses, the following is the entirety
    of my comment from my reply:
    *************************************
    YOU:
    I find it commendable that I fail to detect the slightest trace of sarcasm >>>> in your reply.

    ME:
    Consider willful blindness and/or deafness.
    *************************************

    I challenge you, Hemidactylus, to identify what it is about my comment
    cited above that you find uncivil or rude or obnoxious? Or were you
    just doing tit-for-tat?


    Your ultimatum is rude, obnoxious, petty, and silly.


    So it's ok for you and everybody but me to be rude, obnoxious, petty,
    and silly. Yet another example of not what is said but who says it
    aka willful blindness and/or deafness. You must enjoy proving my
    point for me, you do it so often.


    --
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    You're not entitled to your own facts.

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