Incorrect. Your confusion wrt dinosaurs/birds doesn't inform your
Tracing back our ancestors, most of the history of bipedalism was
already over with before Homo arose.
So you aren't talking about human origins after all.
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 23:17:09 -0600, Pro Plyd
<invalide@invalid.invalid> wrote:
jillery wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 15:52:05 -0700 (PDT), JTEM trolled:
Pro Plyd wrote:
"The H. naledi foot is predominantly modern human-like
in morphology and inferred function
It could be maybe 3 million years old and practiced rituals:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34192447
In reality, at least on this planet, bipedalism is NOT a "human"
trait. It predates Homo. Amongst our ancestors, most of the
history of bipedalism took place BEFORE Homo ever arose.
I acknowledge many different organisms were bipedal since the first
dinosaurs practiced it. However, bipedalism in other lineages are a
In the Triassic it appears.
Correct is your comment.
consequence of analogous behavior and structures, and so don't inform
this discussion. In reality, the common features H. naledi feet and
other structures have with modern humans are evidence they are
homologous with a common origin.
A common origin and meeting the same demands.
Yeppers.
From the start: There was ALWAYS far better explanations
than intentional burials. The first one that popped into my
head was animals driven into the depths of a cave in search
of water during a drought -- lured in by moist air. Why they
instead DEFAULTED to the FIRST and ONLY ritual practices
observed in Africa in 3 million years is beyond me.
Animal deposition is the poorest explanation. There are no signs H.
naledi bones were scavenged, and there are no signs scavenging animals
occupied the areas where H. naledi bones are deposited.
The Taung child does come to mind here re the skull holes and the
apparent match with either predator teeth or the claws of a predator
bird (the latter is the most likely). However, the number of
individuals represented by the remains argue fairly conclusively
against a predator(s) being responsible.
Also their arrangement.
...besides the politics.
Pan does not walk like homo.
If you believe that the LCA lived 5 million years ago then YOU
believe that Pan is what we see only after 5 million years of
evolution... AND that Pan split off long after bipedalism
emerged amongst our ancestors.
The remains of H. naledi in the Rising Star caverns are dated between
335,000 to 236,000 years ago. Whatever happened 5mya doesn't inform
this discussion any more than does bipedalism in other organisms.
IT'S GODDAMN RETARDED!
Are these people retarded? Is this your "Argument?" They
don't know that Pan has evolved for as long as we have
since the LCA? They don't know this?
You're "Argument" is that they are comparing PRESENT
DAY PAN to Naledi claims, instead of the LCA, because
they don't know that Pan has evolved?
I know of nobody who makes that claim on T.O. Your comments are
made-up strawmen.
Aquatic strawmen.
Aquarboreal strawmen.
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