https://www.rutgers.edu/news/using-evidence-last-ice-age-scientists-predict-effects-rising-seas-coastal-habitats

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06448-z

It looks like some researchers are doing what I have suggested should be
done in order to assist global lifeforms to adapting to the current
warming period. They are looking at what happened the last warm
interval when temperatures were higher and more ice melted than has
melted at this time. Sea levels did get to 20 meters higher than they currently are.

All the habitat that was obliterated last time is currently being
destroyed at this time, and if warming persists it could get to be as
bad as it was during the last warm period. We do need to know how the
habitats changed and where the species that exist in the current
habitats that will be obliterated managed to survive the last warm
period. We need to assist the current species in making the changes
that they were able to make last time. This time their options are
likely fewer due to human habitat destruction, so we have to figure out
what will still be available to the affected species.

Ron Okimoto

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RonO wrote:

It looks like some researchers are doing what I have suggested should be
done in order to assist global lifeforms to adapting to the current
warming period.

We haven't established that the period is warm. In fact, it appears quite cooler than during previous periods, such as the medieval warm period.

We're talking OBJECTIVE not subjective observations, like the Vikings
in Greenland. They lived in a warmer environment than exists right now.

They are looking at what happened the last warm
interval when temperatures were higher and more ice melted than has
melted at this time. Sea levels did get to 20 meters higher than they currently are.

I usually lowball it. If you say 10 feet higher people go, "Wow!" If you
say 60 feet higher and they come across a single cite that gives them
a lower number, you're a liar -- a lying liar who lies! You're a denier of
the climate ("Climate denier").

The exact figure isn't important, only that despite all the propaganda,
the earth was a lot warmer, there was less ice and sea level was
higher back when the Neanderthals ruled Europe and CO2 was low.

All the habitat that was obliterated last time is currently being
destroyed at this time

The funny thing about cycles is that every second of every minute
of every day that brings you closer to the end is also bringing you
closer to the start of the next one. "Destroyed" is a fallacy.

and if warming persists it could get to be as
bad as it was during the last warm period.

That's the second critical flaw in the propaganda: Pretending that
warmer is worse, and that this has somehow been established.

Warmer is not "Worse." A warmer earth, if we can geoengineer it,
would be a very good thing. It would be DIFFERENT. Yes. It would
disrupt a lot, because things would change. But once adapted to
the new conditions, the planet and humans would be better off.

We'd also save a boatload of energy for heating...

Food production would increase.

Agriculture loves warmer, wetter environments.

There is such a thing as too wet? Tell that to rice.





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On 9/4/2023 2:57 PM, JTEM is my hero wrote:

RonO wrote:

It looks like some researchers are doing what I have suggested should be
done in order to assist global lifeforms to adapting to the current
warming period.

We haven't established that the period is warm. In fact, it appears quite cooler than during previous periods, such as the medieval warm period.

We're talking OBJECTIVE not subjective observations, like the Vikings
in Greenland. They lived in a warmer environment than exists right now.

They are looking at what happened the last warm
interval when temperatures were higher and more ice melted than has
melted at this time. Sea levels did get to 20 meters higher than they
currently are.

I usually lowball it. If you say 10 feet higher people go, "Wow!" If you
say 60 feet higher and they come across a single cite that gives them
a lower number, you're a liar -- a lying liar who lies! You're a denier of the climate ("Climate denier").

The exact figure isn't important, only that despite all the propaganda,
the earth was a lot warmer, there was less ice and sea level was
higher back when the Neanderthals ruled Europe and CO2 was low.

All the habitat that was obliterated last time is currently being
destroyed at this time

The funny thing about cycles is that every second of every minute
of every day that brings you closer to the end is also bringing you
closer to the start of the next one. "Destroyed" is a fallacy.

and if warming persists it could get to be as
bad as it was during the last warm period.

That's the second critical flaw in the propaganda: Pretending that
warmer is worse, and that this has somehow been established.

Warmer is not "Worse." A warmer earth, if we can geoengineer it,
would be a very good thing. It would be DIFFERENT. Yes. It would
disrupt a lot, because things would change. But once adapted to
the new conditions, the planet and humans would be better off.

We'd also save a boatload of energy for heating...

Food production would increase.

Agriculture loves warmer, wetter environments.

There is such a thing as too wet? Tell that to rice.

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What a nut job, why don't you just actually read something about the
last warm interval.

You are just as stupid as Nyikos was in his denial of reality. This is
a link that has the references that I gave to him.

https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/ovJitGN1A6w/m/rOpzxzDbAwAJ?hl=en

The wiki entry has temperature graphs with the ice volumes.

Ron Okimoto

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RonO wrote:

What a nut job, why don't you just actually read something about the
last warm interval.

Nobody tell the fraud that if it's an adult, and shares an interest in
human origins, it's never not been reading about the last interglacial.

I've never not read about the glacial/interglacial cycle. I've never not
read about how Neanderthals suffered when it turned cold. I've
never not read about super volcanoes, volcanic winters and other
climate upheavals. BECAUSE they are woven into the narrative of
human development.

You're exposing your stupidity, your inability to remember much
less apply knowledge. You are incapable of doing so. Instead, as
always, you surrender to the headline.

Things were great when it was warmer. Humans thrived. We'd be
better off with a warmer planet. There would be a disruption, of
course, because coastlines would change. But "The New Normal"
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On 9/5/2023 12:14 AM, JTEM is my hero wrote:

RonO wrote:

What a nut job, why don't you just actually read something about the
last warm interval.

Nobody tell the fraud that if it's an adult, and shares an interest in
human origins, it's never not been reading about the last interglacial.

I've never not read about the glacial/interglacial cycle. I've never not
read about how Neanderthals suffered when it turned cold. I've
never not read about super volcanoes, volcanic winters and other
climate upheavals. BECAUSE they are woven into the narrative of
human development.

You're exposing your stupidity, your inability to remember much
less apply knowledge. You are incapable of doing so. Instead, as
always, you surrender to the headline.

Things were great when it was warmer. Humans thrived. We'd be
better off with a warmer planet. There would be a disruption, of
course, because coastlines would change. But "The New Normal"
that followed would be superior to this one.

You are the one that has to snip and run from the references that I put
up. I am the one that is claiming that they should look at the last
warm period when the earth got warmer and sea levels got to be 20 meters
higher then they are now. The extant species survived somewhere during
that time period, and we should figure out how they did it so that we
can help them now. I gave you the references. You are the one that
doesn't know what they are talking about.

I wasn't talking about humans, but the rest of the biosphere. We need
to figure out where suitable sandy beaches will form so that sea turtles
can continue to breed. We need to figure out where penguins had to nest
when more ice melted and sea levels were higher.

Humans may not want another ice age, but it is what has been happening
for millions of years. I am talking about what we need to do in order
for extant lifeforms to survive this warm period. We have destroyed a
lot of their habitat, and they are going to need help surviving this
warm period. They made it through the last warm period when things were
worse, but humans have changed the world, and they will likely need
assistance to survive this warm period.

Ron Okimoto

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RonO wrote:

You are the one that has to snip

I didn't snip them off. You never had any in the first place.

and run from the references

Again: You are a raging jackass.

You don't need a reference, supposedly. You've been
"Interested" in and "Studying" this stuff for years, decades
even... according to you. We all know about the
glacial/interglacial cycle. We know the previous interglacial
was warmer. All of us do. We know that the Neanderthals
suffered during the cold periods and thrived when it was
warm.

Yet, you also insist that you are incapable of remembering
let alone applying any of this life-long knowledge! You
yield your mind, your thoughts and opinions entirely to a
headline, along with a "Cite" you never read and couldn't
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On 9/5/2023 3:39 PM, JTEM is my hero wrote:

RonO wrote:

You are the one that has to snip

I didn't snip them off. You never had any in the first place.

and run from the references

Again: You are a raging jackass.

Why lie about something this stupid. Just go up and see what you
removed from my post.

You don't need a reference, supposedly. You've been
"Interested" in and "Studying" this stuff for years, decades
even... according to you. We all know about the
glacial/interglacial cycle. We know the previous interglacial
was warmer. All of us do. We know that the Neanderthals
suffered during the cold periods and thrived when it was
warm.

I put in the links, so you don't have to keep lying just go up the
thread and learn something.

Yet, you also insist that you are incapable of remembering
let alone applying any of this life-long knowledge! You
yield your mind, your thoughts and opinions entirely to a
headline, along with a "Cite" you never read and couldn't
understand anyway.

You seem to be talking to yourself again.

Ron Okimoto

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RonO wrote:

Why lie about

I wasn't lying when I said that you knew all about the
glacial/interglacial cycle, and how the earth was
warmer in the past and our ancestors thrived. No, I
was mocking you for being such a raging jackass
that you didn't know. You post here pretending that
you're interested in the topic of human origins and
yet all you ever do is react to some headline of a
story or study you never read and couldn't understand
anyway.

You have a nice day. In fact, let's all have a nice day!



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On 9/6/2023 2:59 AM, JTEM is my hero wrote:

RonO wrote:

Why lie about

I wasn't lying when I said that you knew all about the
glacial/interglacial cycle, and how the earth was
warmer in the past and our ancestors thrived. No, I
was mocking you for being such a raging jackass
that you didn't know. You post here pretending that
you're interested in the topic of human origins and
yet all you ever do is react to some headline of a
story or study you never read and couldn't understand
anyway.

You have a nice day. In fact, let's all have a nice day!

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What a nut job. I just state what you can find out in the references
that I gave to you. That doesn't mean that I know all about the Ice
ages. I just know what you are in denial of, and you can verify that,
but using the links and determining that for yourself. The links that
you lied about me not providing that were in the part of my post that
you snipped and ran from, and then lied about me not giving them to you.

Ron Okimoto

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RonO wrote:

[nut job]

Again, it has never been established that a warmer planet would
be bad. In fact, the earths norm IS warmer. We're only as cold as
we are now because we're inside of an ice age. And it's not a
particularly warm period within this ice age.

I just state what you can find out in the references
that I gave to you.

Your gospels, you mean. They eclipse everything you were already
supposed to know, and invoke zero questions.

The last interglacial period was warmer. Let's hope for mankind
that the next one is too. Warmer is good. It's the opposite of a
problem. The coming glacial period will kill off most of mankind
though.

Yes, if we're lucky and the planet does see the temperatures
experienced during the last interglacial, it will we very disruptive.
UNTIL humans adapted to it. After which, life for humanity will
be improved.

It's like your home burning down and getting a new house which
is better. The period between the fire and moving into the new
home is really going to suck. But, once you get situated your life
will be better than it was...

"Warmer" is better. We'll have more food, use less energy.




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On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 6:15:27 AM UTC-4, RonO wrote:

On 9/6/2023 2:59 AM, JTEM is my hero wrote:

RonO wrote:

Why lie about

I wasn't lying when I said that you knew all about the glacial/interglacial cycle, and how the earth was
warmer in the past and our ancestors thrived. No, I
was mocking you for being such a raging jackass
that you didn't know. You post here pretending that
you're interested in the topic of human origins and
yet all you ever do is react to some headline of a
story or study you never read and couldn't understand
anyway.

You have a nice day. In fact, let's all have a nice day!

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What a nut job. I just state what you can find out in the references
that I gave to you. That doesn't mean that I know all about the Ice
ages. I just know what you are in denial of, and you can verify that,
but using the links and determining that for yourself. The links that
you lied about me not providing that were in the part of my post that
you snipped and ran from, and then lied about me not giving them to you.

Ron Okimoto

Much as I hate to say it. JTEM is quite correct that the earth has often been much warmer than it is now, and has even been warmer quite recently. The rate of warming may be pretty unprecedented, but the final temperature is not, not even close. It won't
end life on earth, although it will probably end life for millions of people, and life as we have gotten used to it for billions. But as to the basic facts, he's right, the earth has often been much warmer than even the highest projection of global
warming models.

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broger...@gmail.com wrote:

Much as I hate to say it. JTEM is quite correct that the earth has often been much warmer than it is now, and has even been warmer quite recently. The rate of warming may be pretty unprecedented, but the final temperature is not, not even close. It won'

t end life on earth, although it will probably end life for millions of people, and life as we have gotten used to it for billions. But as to the basic facts, he's right, the earth has often been much warmer than even the highest projection of global
warming models.

I haven't seen any evidence, just claims, for an unprecedented
rate of warming. If you look at sea level, for example, the rate
has been pretty stable for millennia:

https://d32ogoqmya1dw8.cloudfront.net/images/integrate/teaching_materials/coastlines/student_materials/holocene_sealevel_curve_showing_14732646981192120022.jpg

You can argue that there's less ice to melt, but that raises two
issues. The first is why or how could heat lose it's ice-melting
ability as the amount of ice shrinks? The second is Thermal
Expansion. If it's getting hotter, sea level should be rising even
if there's no more ice to melt.

No, I'm the guy who argues perspective, not reality. Take for
example Chimps. I've been arguing in this very group for like
15 or 16 years that we didn't evolve from the apes, the apes
evolved from us. Chimps certainly arose from a bipedal
ancestor with a hand that looked more like our own. And it
looks more and more like Gorillas are only secondarily
knuckle walkers as well.

So how does this apply to Gwobull Warbling? What evidence
we have makes for an excellent case of human activity
COOLING the planet.

It was warmer in the past, and not just paleo times. It was
warmer during historical periods, such as the medieval warm
period. So when the little ice age ended, and we should have
seen things restored to the medieval warm period levels, we
instead have gone 150 years or more without yet getting
back up to those levels.

Fossil fuels have a lot of cooling properties. The particles,
"Particulates," block the sun. They darken our sky, shade the
surface of the earth the same way a tree might shade you
on a sunny day. And worst of all is the sulfur! Ask any expert
on volcanoes how much one of such-and-such-a-size would
cool the earth and if he's smart, and honest, he'll tell you
that it really comes down to how much sulfur it emits...

The west committed to low-sulfur fuels way back before
China even rated on the energy market. Today China officially
burns more coal than the rest of the planet combined, and
even then it under reports... i.e. it lies.

India apparently has no scientist, either, because they don't
believe in any Gwobull Warbling.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.ELC.ACCS.ZS?end=2021&locations=IN&start=1993

The percentage of that electricity supplied by coal is rising!
So that's where the new power is coming from.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/indias-power-output-grows-fastest-pace-33-years-fuelled-by-coal-2023-04-05/

So while places like New York and Boston are banning new
natural gas hookups, because we're going to save the polar
bears, and Biden was calling about banning gas stoves, AND
NATURAL GAS IS THE CLEANEST FOSSIL FUEL, the two
largest nations on the planet, by far, are on an ever growing
coal burning binge.

We could cut out 100% of all the energy use, and breathing,
outside of China and the planet would still easily be
producing more than 10x the amount of CO2 emissions that
the fairy tales claim got Gwobull Warbling started in the
first place. So there's literally nothing what so ever we could
do to stop it, if it were real, yet 100% of all the efforts, and
all the regressive taxes, are supposedly intended to stop it.

Nope.

You know the 80/20 rule. And you've got to understand that
the 1% is by far the biggest offender. An hour in a private
(corporate) jet wastes more fuel than the average American
FAMILY uses in a month.

But, "Carbon" taxes, trading, credits and auctions are all
regressive taxes, genuinely intended to conserve energy
by making it more expensive so the ordinary person can't
afford as much..of anything.

Everything takes energy. Make it more expensive, make
people poorer. But if you're rich? Go ahead. Burn whatever
you want. Buy "Patio Heaters" to warm up your backyard.

Today there's two kinds of people alive in this world: Those
who unsubscribed from Gwobull Warbling and those that
future generation are going to wish they had the brains to
unsubscribe while there was still time.




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On 9/6/2023 9:18 AM, broger...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 6:15:27 AM UTC-4, RonO wrote:

On 9/6/2023 2:59 AM, JTEM is my hero wrote:

RonO wrote:

Why lie about

I wasn't lying when I said that you knew all about the
glacial/interglacial cycle, and how the earth was
warmer in the past and our ancestors thrived. No, I
was mocking you for being such a raging jackass
that you didn't know. You post here pretending that
you're interested in the topic of human origins and
yet all you ever do is react to some headline of a
story or study you never read and couldn't understand
anyway.

You have a nice day. In fact, let's all have a nice day!



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What a nut job. I just state what you can find out in the references
that I gave to you. That doesn't mean that I know all about the Ice
ages. I just know what you are in denial of, and you can verify that,
but using the links and determining that for yourself. The links that
you lied about me not providing that were in the part of my post that
you snipped and ran from, and then lied about me not giving them to you.

Ron Okimoto

Much as I hate to say it. JTEM is quite correct that the earth has often been much warmer than it is now, and has even been warmer quite recently. The rate of warming may be pretty unprecedented, but the final temperature is not, not even close. It won'

t end life on earth, although it will probably end life for millions of people, and life as we have gotten used to it for billions. But as to the basic facts, he's right, the earth has often been much warmer than even the highest projection of global
warming models.


JTEM was claiming that I was wrong about the last warm period being
warmer than it is now, with more ice melting. He denied that the sea
levels got to be 20 meters higher then, than they are today. It is
predicted that if warming continues that we will get to the point where
sea levels will be 20 meters higher than they are now.

Ron Okimoto

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On 9/6/2023 8:54 AM, JTEM is my hero wrote:

RonO wrote:

[nut job]

Again, it has never been established that a warmer planet would
be bad. In fact, the earths norm IS warmer. We're only as cold as
we are now because we're inside of an ice age. And it's not a
particularly warm period within this ice age.

I never claimed that about a warmer planet. I only claimed that things
were worse during the last warm period, and that we could learn from
that, to help us figure out where the species that are in danger now
could find places to survive. They survived the last warm period when
things got to be as bad as some people are predicting it will get this
time, so we should figure out where they survived the last time and help
them transition to those places this time.

Ron Okimoto

I just state what you can find out in the references
that I gave to you.

Your gospels, you mean. They eclipse everything you were already
supposed to know, and invoke zero questions.

The last interglacial period was warmer. Let's hope for mankind
that the next one is too. Warmer is good. It's the opposite of a
problem. The coming glacial period will kill off most of mankind
though.

Yes, if we're lucky and the planet does see the temperatures
experienced during the last interglacial, it will we very disruptive.
UNTIL humans adapted to it. After which, life for humanity will
be improved.

It's like your home burning down and getting a new house which
is better. The period between the fire and moving into the new
home is really going to suck. But, once you get situated your life
will be better than it was...

"Warmer" is better. We'll have more food, use less energy.

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RonO wrote:

JTEM was claiming that I was wrong about the last warm period being
warmer than it is now

I did not saw that, you fucking worthless troll.

So show us some evidence that the present is somehow unusually
and/or unnaturally warm. Show us some evidence that it's
unprecedented. Show us some evidence that a warmer earth
would be worse and not better.




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RonO wrote:

Just go up and check. You claimed that I was wrong about my claims
about what happened,

The mega fauna extinction happened AFTER the glacial period ended,
AFTER the Younger Dryas began and then ended. The Giant Sloth
went extinct about 9.5k years ago. The very last of the Mammoths
lasted until after the Great Pyramid was built...

The previous interglacial period, the one that occurred not after the
last so-called "Ice age" but the one before, was warmer. Neanderthals
were romping around Europe, it was warmer, sea level was higher
and humans thrived.

Where is the mass extinction to mirror the one supposedly brought
on by "Man Made Gwobull Warbling?"

You pretend to know this stuff. You pretend to be interested in the
topic, to have been interested in this topic for years gone by...

Yet, you have no clue.



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On 9/6/2023 5:45 PM, JTEM is my hero wrote:

RonO wrote:

JTEM was claiming that I was wrong about the last warm period being
warmer than it is now

I did not saw that, you fucking worthless troll.

So show us some evidence that the present is somehow unusually
and/or unnaturally warm. Show us some evidence that it's
unprecedented. Show us some evidence that a warmer earth
would be worse and not better.

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Just go up and check. You claimed that I was wrong about my claims
about what happened, and when you got the references that told you what happened during the last warm period you snipped and ran from those
references. You then lied about not getting the references when they
were in the part of the post that you snipped out and ran from, and it continued from there.

Ron Okimoto

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On 9/6/2023 9:10 PM, JTEM is my hero wrote:

RonO wrote:

Just go up and check. You claimed that I was wrong about my claims
about what happened,

The mega fauna extinction happened AFTER the glacial period ended,
AFTER the Younger Dryas began and then ended. The Giant Sloth
went extinct about 9.5k years ago. The very last of the Mammoths
lasted until after the Great Pyramid was built...

The previous interglacial period, the one that occurred not after the
last so-called "Ice age" but the one before, was warmer. Neanderthals
were romping around Europe, it was warmer, sea level was higher
and humans thrived.

I was the one that claimed that the previous interglacial was warmer,
more ice melted than has melted at this time, and sea levels rose to 20
meters higher than they are at this time. That is what the references
that you snipped and ran from would have verified. I was the one that
made the claim that we could learn something by looking into what
happened in the past and use that information to assist existing species
in surviving the current interglacial period. They survived the last
one when things were worse, so we should figure out how they did it, and
help them do it this time. This time we have already decimated some of
their populations, and probably destroyed the habitat that will turn
into what they need to use in the future. Just take the example of sea turtles. The last interglacial they had to all find new beaches to lay
their eggs. Just as some of their beaches are now being affected by
rising sea levels, the current nesting beaches did not exist when the
sea levels were 20 meters higher than they are now. We need to figure
out where the new beaches will form and help the turtles make the
transition. We have likely built cities over the areas that they had to
use when sea levels were 20 meters higher, so we need to figure out
where the suitable beaches will form and how to get the turtles to make
the transition.

Where is the mass extinction to mirror the one supposedly brought
on by "Man Made Gwobull Warbling?"

You pretend to know this stuff. You pretend to be interested in the
topic, to have been interested in this topic for years gone by...

Yet, you have no clue.

What are you going on about now? If we do not assist the existing
species some of them won't make it, even though they obviously made it
through last time when things were worse.

Ron Okimoto

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On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 07:18:22 -0700 (PDT), "broger...@gmail.com" <brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 6:15:27?AM UTC-4, RonO wrote:

On 9/6/2023 2:59 AM, JTEM is my hero wrote:

RonO wrote:

Why lie about

I wasn't lying when I said that you knew all about the
glacial/interglacial cycle, and how the earth was
warmer in the past and our ancestors thrived. No, I
was mocking you for being such a raging jackass
that you didn't know. You post here pretending that
you're interested in the topic of human origins and
yet all you ever do is react to some headline of a
story or study you never read and couldn't understand
anyway.

You have a nice day. In fact, let's all have a nice day!



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What a nut job. I just state what you can find out in the references
that I gave to you. That doesn't mean that I know all about the Ice
ages. I just know what you are in denial of, and you can verify that,
but using the links and determining that for yourself. The links that
you lied about me not providing that were in the part of my post that
you snipped and ran from, and then lied about me not giving them to you.

Ron Okimoto

Much as I hate to say it. JTEM is quite correct that the earth has often been much warmer than it is now, and has even been warmer quite recently. The rate of warming may be pretty unprecedented, but the final temperature is not, not even close. It won'

t end life on earth, although it will probably end life for millions of people, and life as we have gotten used to it for billions. But as to the basic facts, he's right, the earth has often been much warmer than even the highest projection of global
warming models.


JTEM is not correct. You are not correct about what he says. I
acknowledge your statement about the basic facts is technically
correct, but these aren't the facts to which he alludes above. His
comments don't justify the grace you offer them.

For example, the best evidence is average global temperature was about
7 degree Celsius warmer than it is now during the Paleocene-Eocene
Thermal Maximum, about 55.5 mya, where atmospheric CO2 may have been
as high as 3500 ppm. This overwhelmed any subtle effects from
Milankovitch cycles, and the Earth was ice-free for millions of years,
as geologic forces slowly scrubbed CO2 from the atmosphere.

There have been many glacial and interglacial periods. The last
glacial period started about 100 kya, and peaked about 25 kya. Since
then, ice caps and glaciers have been gradually receding, continents
have been slowly rebounding from their weight, and average global
temperature has been rising. IOW we are currently living in the last interglacial.

The rapid changes due to AGW add to, and are distinguishable from, the
more gradual changes due to natural climate change. That average
global temperature has been higher in the past, or even higher than
the highest projections, does not justify AGW denial.

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RonO wrote:

I was the one that claimed

Again, the mega fauna extinction happened AFTER the end of
the last ice age, AFTER the Younger Dryas cooling began and
AFTER the Younger Dryas cooling ended.

Show us the "Obliteration" of the species you want to pretend
are happening now, when if they were going to happen should
have happened before the Younger Dryas?

Still waiting.




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jillery wrote:

For example, the best evidence is average global temperature was about
7 degree Celsius warmer than it is now during the Paleocene-Eocene
Thermal Maximum, about 55.5 mya, where

It's irrelevant, you fucking retard.

The cites, the topic is about imaginary "Man Made Gwobull Warbling,"
and even the likes of you should realize that 55.5 million years ago is
a tad too old.

The previous interglacial was WARMER CO2 was lower. There was none
of this "Obliteration" of any species resulting from it.

Warmer was better. It wasn't a crisis, it was better.






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On 9/7/2023 7:37 PM, JTEM is my hero wrote:

RonO wrote:

I was the one that claimed

Again, the mega fauna extinction happened AFTER the end of
the last ice age, AFTER the Younger Dryas cooling began and
AFTER the Younger Dryas cooling ended.

Show us the "Obliteration" of the species you want to pretend
are happening now, when if they were going to happen should
have happened before the Younger Dryas?

Still waiting.

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Why not try to address what was actually written in this thread?
Snipping and running from that reality isn't going to change reality.
What were my actual claims, and how did you never address them?

Ron Okimoto

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On Thu, 7 Sep 2023 17:42:16 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my hero
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:

jillery wrote:

For example, the best evidence is average global temperature was about
7 degree Celsius warmer than it is now during the Paleocene-Eocene
Thermal Maximum, about 55.5 mya, where

It's irrelevant, you fucking retard.

Your retarded personal attacks are irrelevant.

The cites, the topic is about imaginary "Man Made Gwobull Warbling,"
and even the likes of you should realize that 55.5 million years ago is
a tad too old.

Your claim is that the Earth was warmer in the past. Even the likes
of you should realize 55.5 mya qualifies as the past. More to the
point, that the Earth was warmer at any time in the past isn't
relevant to AGW.

The previous interglacial was WARMER CO2 was lower. There was none
of this "Obliteration" of any species resulting from it.

Ron O's cites refer to the end of the last glacial and the beginning
of the current interglacial aka Holocene period. The previous aka
penultimate interglacial aka Eemian period ended when the last glacial
began about 115 kya. So you don't even know what you're talking
about.

The best evidence is average temperature during the Eemian was warmer
than today, and atmospheric CO2 was about the same as preindustrial
levels. More to the point, most people understand that atmospheric
CO2 is only one of many factors involved in average temperature.

Warmer was better. It wasn't a crisis, it was better.

Warmer is better for some, not so much for others. More to the point,
the crises from AGW is due to *rapid* warming. Not sure how you
*still* don't understand this.

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RonO wrote:

Why not try to address what was actually written in this thread?

You mean I should address how you leapt from "The last ice age"
to 55 million years ago, like a retard, in order to divert from what
had already been said? I did that already. You're just a mouth
breathing troll who can't acknowledge your symptoms.




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jillery wrote:

Your

"The last ice age." Read the subject line, you strung out twit.

Seriously. You can't even follow your own half on a conversation!
It's no wonder you cower behind sock puppets, trying to pretend
it's not you saying these stupid things...

The cites, the topic is about imaginary "Man Made Gwobull Warbling,"
and even the likes of you should realize that 55.5 million years ago is
a tad too old.

Your claim is that the Earth was warmer in the past.

"The last ice age."

It's using the previous glacial period as a baseline, you snot eating
moron. But the previous interglacial was warmer. So the transition
from the last glacial to the present interglacial was not as
abrupt.

All it takes is reading comprehension. You wouldn't know.




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On 9/8/2023 12:34 PM, JTEM is my hero wrote:

RonO wrote:

Why not try to address what was actually written in this thread?

You mean I should address how you leapt from "The last ice age"
to 55 million years ago, like a retard, in order to divert from what
had already been said? I did that already. You're just a mouth
breathing troll who can't acknowledge your symptoms.

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Why keep lying about it? You may be mixing this thread up with another
one that you are probably failing in.

Ron Okimoto

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On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 10:32:48 -0700 (PDT), JTEM trolled:

jillery wrote:

Your

"The last ice age." Read the subject line, you strung out twit.

Read the cited articles, troll.

Seriously. You can't even follow your own half on a conversation!
It's no wonder you cower behind sock puppets, trying to pretend
it's not you saying these stupid things...

The cites, the topic is about imaginary "Man Made Gwobull Warbling,"
and even the likes of you should realize that 55.5 million years ago is
a tad too old.

Your claim is that the Earth was warmer in the past.

"The last ice age."...

... was not warmer than the present. That's why it's called an "ice
age".

It's using the previous glacial period as a baseline, you snot eating
moron. But the previous interglacial was warmer. So the transition
from the last glacial to the present interglacial was not as
abrupt.

All it takes is reading comprehension. You wouldn't know.

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jillery wrote:

Read the cited articles

Oh. You're back to that now? What about your 55 million years ago?

That's now irrelevant again?

... was not warmer than the present.

The last interglacial was warmer, you snot eating jackass. If LOWER temperatures were a problem because they were too hot, then even
higher temperatures should have been a bigger problem.

If you holstered your crippling narcissistic personality disorder and
stopped trying to "Win," or fool yourself into thinking that you're
"Winning," you might figure these things out on your own.




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On Sat, 9 Sep 2023 14:16:01 -0700 (PDT), JTEM trolled:

jillery wrote:

Read the cited articles

Oh. You're back to that now? What about your 55 million years ago?

Oh. You're back to saying 55 mya wasn't in the past?

That's now irrelevant again?

<restored>

"The last ice age."...

... was not warmer than the present.

The last interglacial was warmer, you snot eating jackass. If LOWER >temperatures were a problem because they were too hot, then even
higher temperatures should have been a bigger problem.

If you holstered your crippling narcissistic personality disorder and
stopped trying to "Win," or fool yourself into thinking that you're >"Winning," you might figure these things out on your own.

Yeah, I get that a lot from willfully stupid trolls who have no idea
what they're talking about and are proud of it.

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jillery wrote:

The last interglacial was warmer, you snot eating jackass.

Yeah, I get that a lot

Of course. And if your mom talked to you that way, how can
you expect any different here?




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