• The enemies of reason, marginalizing subjectivity

    From mohammadnursyamsu@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 21 13:46:35 2023
    The truth is still very simple. Marginalizing subjectivity results in bad personal opinions, weird ideology, and mental illness. Which then very obviously and straightforwardly, leads to individual and societal catastrophy.

    The fact obsessed academic people have no clue anymore about how to reason "carefully", and about what is "important", because they all suck at subjectivity. Now acdemics is a whole culture of being clueless about how subjectivity works, it is beyond the
    individual.

    1. mass vaccination, during a pandemic
    2. using eperimental mrna vaccine, on the entire population
    3. mrna vaccines which are not local, and which lasts in the body a long time, which are parameters that are opposite an ideal vaccine
    4. Using experimental lipids in a vaccine, for the entire population, which are known to cross the brain barrier
    5. Using highly toxic graphene oxide in the production of vaccines.
    6. Coercing people to take the vaccine
    7. Censoring criticism of the vaccine, not engaging in scientific debate
    8. Having no treatment plan at all for people getting covid, just sit and wait untill it gets so bad that you have to go to the hospital.
    9. Throwing out perfectly good treatment like vitamin D, and antivirals like hcq, and ivermectine
    10. Using lethal high risk unproven remdesivir
    11. Masking children as young as 3 for hours on end, for years
    12. making the research data into vaccines secret
    13. Lying about the origins of the virus

    And, on and on the list goes, of the total failure of academics, which is to say the failed personal judgment of academically educated people.

    1. Creator / chooses / spiritual / subjective / opinion
    2. Creation / chosen / material / objective / fact

    Where subjective means, identified with a chosen opinion, and objective means, identified with a model of it. And "choosing" is explained in terms of spontaneity, that a decision can turn out one way or another, in the moment.

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  • From Lawyer Daggett@21:1/5 to mohammad...@gmail.com on Thu Sep 21 14:09:12 2023
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:50:44 PM UTC-4, mohammad...@gmail.com wrote:
    The truth is still very simple. Marginalizing subjectivity results in bad personal opinions, weird ideology, and mental illness. Which then very obviously and straightforwardly, leads to individual and societal catastrophy.

    The fact obsessed academic people have no clue anymore about how to reason "carefully", and about what is "important", because they all suck at subjectivity. Now acdemics is a whole culture of being clueless about how subjectivity works, it is beyond
    the individual.

    1. mass vaccination, during a pandemic
    2. using eperimental mrna vaccine, on the entire population
    3. mrna vaccines which are not local, and which lasts in the body a long time, which are parameters that are opposite an ideal vaccine
    4. Using experimental lipids in a vaccine, for the entire population, which are known to cross the brain barrier
    5. Using highly toxic graphene oxide in the production of vaccines.
    6. Coercing people to take the vaccine
    7. Censoring criticism of the vaccine, not engaging in scientific debate
    8. Having no treatment plan at all for people getting covid, just sit and wait untill it gets so bad that you have to go to the hospital.
    9. Throwing out perfectly good treatment like vitamin D, and antivirals like hcq, and ivermectine
    10. Using lethal high risk unproven remdesivir
    11. Masking children as young as 3 for hours on end, for years
    12. making the research data into vaccines secret
    13. Lying about the origins of the virus

    And, on and on the list goes, of the total failure of academics, which is to say the failed personal judgment of academically educated people.

    1. Creator / chooses / spiritual / subjective / opinion
    2. Creation / chosen / material / objective / fact

    Where subjective means, identified with a chosen opinion, and objective means, identified with a model of it. And "choosing" is explained in terms of spontaneity, that a decision can turn out one way or another, in the moment.

    Fairly recently you promised a new variant would ripe through vaccinated people this fall. Any updates on when? We are after all at the equinox. I'm wondering about
    letting some subscriptions go, certainly whether or not to pay for a year ahead.
    Your help is appreciated.

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  • From mohammadnursyamsu@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 21 15:52:19 2023
    Nochange, the word is, that it is currently starting. And it is not just a single highly virulent variant, but variants popping up everywhere.

    Op donderdag 21 september 2023 om 23:10:44 UTC+2 schreef Lawyer Daggett:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:50:44 PM UTC-4, mohammad...@gmail.com wrote:
    The truth is still very simple. Marginalizing subjectivity results in bad personal opinions, weird ideology, and mental illness. Which then very obviously and straightforwardly, leads to individual and societal catastrophy.

    The fact obsessed academic people have no clue anymore about how to reason "carefully", and about what is "important", because they all suck at subjectivity. Now acdemics is a whole culture of being clueless about how subjectivity works, it is beyond
    the individual.

    1. mass vaccination, during a pandemic
    2. using eperimental mrna vaccine, on the entire population
    3. mrna vaccines which are not local, and which lasts in the body a long time, which are parameters that are opposite an ideal vaccine
    4. Using experimental lipids in a vaccine, for the entire population, which are known to cross the brain barrier
    5. Using highly toxic graphene oxide in the production of vaccines.
    6. Coercing people to take the vaccine
    7. Censoring criticism of the vaccine, not engaging in scientific debate 8. Having no treatment plan at all for people getting covid, just sit and wait untill it gets so bad that you have to go to the hospital.
    9. Throwing out perfectly good treatment like vitamin D, and antivirals like hcq, and ivermectine
    10. Using lethal high risk unproven remdesivir
    11. Masking children as young as 3 for hours on end, for years
    12. making the research data into vaccines secret
    13. Lying about the origins of the virus

    And, on and on the list goes, of the total failure of academics, which is to say the failed personal judgment of academically educated people.

    1. Creator / chooses / spiritual / subjective / opinion
    2. Creation / chosen / material / objective / fact

    Where subjective means, identified with a chosen opinion, and objective means, identified with a model of it. And "choosing" is explained in terms of spontaneity, that a decision can turn out one way or another, in the moment.
    Fairly recently you promised a new variant would ripe through vaccinated people
    this fall. Any updates on when? We are after all at the equinox. I'm wondering about
    letting some subscriptions go, certainly whether or not to pay for a year ahead.
    Your help is appreciated.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to mohammad...@gmail.com on Fri Sep 22 02:04:30 2023
    mohammad...@gmail.com <mohammadnursyamsu@gmail.com> wrote:
    The truth is still very simple. Marginalizing subjectivity results in bad personal opinions, weird ideology, and mental illness. Which then very obviously and straightforwardly, leads to individual and societal catastrophy.

    The fact obsessed academic people have no clue anymore about how to
    reason "carefully", and about what is "important", because they all suck
    at subjectivity. Now acdemics is a whole culture of being clueless about
    how subjectivity works, it is beyond the individual.

    1. mass vaccination, during a pandemic

    Makes sense, but the distribution of vaccines was inequitable across the
    globe.

    2. using eperimental mrna vaccine, on the entire population

    The entire population? Even in the US this is nowhere near true. If memory serves Israel had a decent vaccination uptake bur perhaps not entire. Other parts of the world were nowhere near entire.

    3. mrna vaccines which are not local, and which lasts in the body a long time, which are parameters that are opposite an ideal vaccine

    How long do these vaccines (or their spike protein products) last? How long
    in comparison does SARS-CoV-2 last? Which would you prefer?

    4. Using experimental lipids in a vaccine, for the entire population,
    which are known to cross the brain barrier
    5. Using highly toxic graphene oxide in the production of vaccines.

    https://apnews.com/article/988165173107

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/03/28/fact-check-document-shows-graphene-used-test-covid-19-vaccine-not-make/11556190002/

    6. Coercing people to take the vaccine

    I would have preferred more coercing. They had one job and failed. The
    lives of the many over the misgivings of deluded kooks. If something
    deadlier than COVID virus goes pandemic we are so fucked because the
    deluded kooks.

    7. Censoring criticism of the vaccine, not engaging in scientific debate

    Disinformation should be nipped in the bud by social media giants. It kills people. There’s no scientific debate involved on the denier side. It’s just a throwback to MMR-autism nonsense. Now pet owners are starting to question vaccinations for dogs and cats:

    https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2023/nearly-half-of-dog-owners-are-hesitant-to-vaccinate-their-pets/

    8. Having no treatment plan at all for people getting covid, just sit and wait untill it gets so bad that you have to go to the hospital.


    There were monoclonals and antivirals. Plus steroids. The vaccines changed everything. The viruses were a bit more crafty than expected hence the
    current arms race. The virus side may be attenuating or the collective
    immunity dampening it. Eventually it may become yet another HCoV. There was that Russian thing:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8813723/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1889–1890_pandemic

    If a coronavirus, doubtfully a lab leak.

    9. Throwing out perfectly good treatment like vitamin D, and antivirals
    like hcq, and ivermectine

    At least Vitamin D has nutritional value.

    The only potential value for ivermectin would possibly be in areas of the
    world where people with SARS-CoV-2 infection also have a parasitic worm
    load.

    10. Using lethal high risk unproven remdesivir
    11. Masking children as young as 3 for hours on end, for years
    12. making the research data into vaccines secret
    13. Lying about the origins of the virus

    And, on and on the list goes, of the total failure of academics, which is
    to say the failed personal judgment of academically educated people.

    1. Creator / chooses / spiritual / subjective / opinion
    2. Creation / chosen / material / objective / fact

    This gridlock of yours only serves to indicate severe monomania.

    Where subjective means, identified with a chosen opinion, and objective means, identified with a model of it. And "choosing" is explained in
    terms of spontaneity, that a decision can turn out one way or another, in the moment.

    Facts do not care about your feelings.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Lawyer Daggett on Fri Sep 22 01:25:06 2023
    Lawyer Daggett <j.nobel.daggett@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:50:44 PM UTC-4, mohammad...@gmail.com wrote:
    The truth is still very simple. Marginalizing subjectivity results in
    bad personal opinions, weird ideology, and mental illness. Which then
    very obviously and straightforwardly, leads to individual and societal catastrophy.

    The fact obsessed academic people have no clue anymore about how to
    reason "carefully", and about what is "important", because they all suck
    at subjectivity. Now acdemics is a whole culture of being clueless about
    how subjectivity works, it is beyond the individual.

    1. mass vaccination, during a pandemic
    2. using eperimental mrna vaccine, on the entire population
    3. mrna vaccines which are not local, and which lasts in the body a long
    time, which are parameters that are opposite an ideal vaccine
    4. Using experimental lipids in a vaccine, for the entire population,
    which are known to cross the brain barrier
    5. Using highly toxic graphene oxide in the production of vaccines.
    6. Coercing people to take the vaccine
    7. Censoring criticism of the vaccine, not engaging in scientific debate
    8. Having no treatment plan at all for people getting covid, just sit
    and wait untill it gets so bad that you have to go to the hospital.
    9. Throwing out perfectly good treatment like vitamin D, and antivirals
    like hcq, and ivermectine
    10. Using lethal high risk unproven remdesivir
    11. Masking children as young as 3 for hours on end, for years
    12. making the research data into vaccines secret
    13. Lying about the origins of the virus

    And, on and on the list goes, of the total failure of academics, which
    is to say the failed personal judgment of academically educated people.

    1. Creator / chooses / spiritual / subjective / opinion
    2. Creation / chosen / material / objective / fact

    Where subjective means, identified with a chosen opinion, and objective
    means, identified with a model of it. And "choosing" is explained in
    terms of spontaneity, that a decision can turn out one way or another, in the moment.

    Fairly recently you promised a new variant would ripe through vaccinated people
    this fall. Any updates on when? We are after all at the equinox. I'm wondering about
    letting some subscriptions go, certainly whether or not to pay for a year ahead.
    Your help is appreciated.

    I just got the XBB update shot Tuesday night so really want to destroy my immune system worse than the five previous jabs. Yesterday and this morning
    I had slight congestion and runny nose and wondered if the response had
    become mucosal or if it was just environmental irritants like mold due to
    heavy rain.

    I rarely wear a mask. Haven’t much for over a year. I do take a sub RDA
    dose of Vitamin D as a habit acquired during pre-vaccine months of the pandemic. At least not horse paste or anti-malarial.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mohammadnursyamsu@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 22 06:34:09 2023
    APnews and usatoday, are known liars. I mean, what is the point of referencing liars? If you want to find out what is in the vaccine, then you have to analyze it. But ofcourse, this was forbidden to do, because of clownworld. But the limited
    investigation that was done anyway, showed all sorts of contaminants in the vaccine. So then the next thing is to analyze the blood of vaccinated vs unvaccinated, and the graphene was found to be in the blood of the vaccinated. Do you understand that
    the only science is open science, direct investigation, and not the say so, of some public relations officer?

    14. You cannot control the dosage with mrna, because the body produces it.

    Ofcourse you are yourself the murderer here, all the risks taken amount to a reckless disregard for life, which is a criteria for intentional killing.

    It was predictable from the start that vaccinating during a pandemic, would lead to immune escape. This is why when you take some vaccination for going to some country, then you have to take it well in advance, complete your vaccination, so that the
    antibodies are matured. But I guess it doesn't matter anymore to take it in advance, when there are immune escape variants about pandemically.

    The virus starts out a couple of miles from a lab where they are doing gain of function on coronaviruses.

    I know I have the motherload with the creationist conceptual scheme, the concepts of fact and opinion, the basics of reasoning. You just prove you are a total moron, every time you reject it.

    Let's consider your emotional basis in reasoning. You make up a story that the virus was more crafty than expected. Or people were just wrong to vaccinate during a pandemic, because of it leading to immune escape. Isn't your emotional basis very self
    serving?

    Op vrijdag 22 september 2023 om 04:05:43 UTC+2 schreef *Hemidactylus*:
    mohammad...@gmail.com <mohammad...@gmail.com> wrote:
    The truth is still very simple. Marginalizing subjectivity results in bad personal opinions, weird ideology, and mental illness. Which then very obviously and straightforwardly, leads to individual and societal catastrophy.

    The fact obsessed academic people have no clue anymore about how to
    reason "carefully", and about what is "important", because they all suck at subjectivity. Now acdemics is a whole culture of being clueless about how subjectivity works, it is beyond the individual.

    1. mass vaccination, during a pandemic

    Makes sense, but the distribution of vaccines was inequitable across the globe.

    2. using eperimental mrna vaccine, on the entire population

    The entire population? Even in the US this is nowhere near true. If memory serves Israel had a decent vaccination uptake bur perhaps not entire. Other parts of the world were nowhere near entire.

    3. mrna vaccines which are not local, and which lasts in the body a long time, which are parameters that are opposite an ideal vaccine

    How long do these vaccines (or their spike protein products) last? How long in comparison does SARS-CoV-2 last? Which would you prefer?

    4. Using experimental lipids in a vaccine, for the entire population, which are known to cross the brain barrier
    5. Using highly toxic graphene oxide in the production of vaccines.

    https://apnews.com/article/988165173107

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/03/28/fact-check-document-shows-graphene-used-test-covid-19-vaccine-not-make/11556190002/

    6. Coercing people to take the vaccine
    I would have preferred more coercing. They had one job and failed. The
    lives of the many over the misgivings of deluded kooks. If something deadlier than COVID virus goes pandemic we are so fucked because the
    deluded kooks.
    7. Censoring criticism of the vaccine, not engaging in scientific debate
    Disinformation should be nipped in the bud by social media giants. It kills people. There’s no scientific debate involved on the denier side. It’s just
    a throwback to MMR-autism nonsense. Now pet owners are starting to question vaccinations for dogs and cats:

    https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2023/nearly-half-of-dog-owners-are-hesitant-to-vaccinate-their-pets/
    8. Having no treatment plan at all for people getting covid, just sit and wait untill it gets so bad that you have to go to the hospital.

    There were monoclonals and antivirals. Plus steroids. The vaccines changed everything. The viruses were a bit more crafty than expected hence the current arms race. The virus side may be attenuating or the collective immunity dampening it. Eventually it may become yet another HCoV. There was that Russian thing:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8813723/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1889–1890_pandemic

    If a coronavirus, doubtfully a lab leak.
    9. Throwing out perfectly good treatment like vitamin D, and antivirals like hcq, and ivermectine
    At least Vitamin D has nutritional value.

    The only potential value for ivermectin would possibly be in areas of the world where people with SARS-CoV-2 infection also have a parasitic worm load.
    10. Using lethal high risk unproven remdesivir
    11. Masking children as young as 3 for hours on end, for years
    12. making the research data into vaccines secret
    13. Lying about the origins of the virus

    And, on and on the list goes, of the total failure of academics, which is to say the failed personal judgment of academically educated people.

    1. Creator / chooses / spiritual / subjective / opinion
    2. Creation / chosen / material / objective / fact

    This gridlock of yours only serves to indicate severe monomania.

    Where subjective means, identified with a chosen opinion, and objective means, identified with a model of it. And "choosing" is explained in
    terms of spontaneity, that a decision can turn out one way or another, in the moment.

    Facts do not care about your feelings.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to mohammad...@gmail.com on Fri Sep 22 16:11:19 2023
    mohammad...@gmail.com <mohammadnursyamsu@gmail.com> wrote:

    [snip subjectively superior discourse]

    14. You cannot control the dosage with mrna, because the body produces it.

    Ofcourse you are yourself the murderer here, all the risks taken amount
    to a reckless disregard for life, which is a criteria for intentional killing.

    If I am receiving the vaccine of my own free will wouldn’t that be a
    suicide instead of the murder and the person giving the shot merely
    assisting the suicide?

    [snip even more subjectively superior discourse]

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  • From Lawyer Daggett@21:1/5 to mohammad...@gmail.com on Fri Sep 22 09:47:46 2023
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 9:35:45 AM UTC-4, mohammad...@gmail.com wrote:


    14. You cannot control the dosage with mrna, because the body produces it.

    Ofcourse you are yourself the murderer here, all the risks taken amount to a reckless disregard for life, which is a criteria for intentional killing.

    I know this is silly of me but curiosity has the better of me.
    What is this claim about not controlling the dosage of the mRNA vaccine
    because the body produces mRNA?

    Do you understand that the vaccine is an mRNA of a specific sequence
    of ribonucleosides that encode for something called the Spike protein?
    Do you understand that human cells do not normally produce mRNAs
    that encode for the Spike protein?
    Do you understand that the cells that endocytose the anti-Covid mRNA
    vaccines don't synthesize any mRNA with sequences that encode for
    the Spike protein? The only mRNA that encodes for the Spike protein
    that they have comes from vaccine particles --- unless they get infected
    by the actual SARS-Cov-2 virus, which produces its own viral mRNAs,
    including one which encodes the Spike protein.

    I just don't understand what you imagine in behind your claim 14. Help me out.

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  • From mohammadnursyamsu@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 22 12:02:12 2023
    With a normal vaccine, you can control how much vaccine you give to someone. You inject the right amount, and then it's destroyed. With the mrna, you inject it, then the body starts producing spikes, which you cannot control how much spikes the body will
    produce. And certainly, the amount is obviously going to vary wildly between individuals.

    Op vrijdag 22 september 2023 om 18:50:45 UTC+2 schreef Lawyer Daggett:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 9:35:45 AM UTC-4, mohammad...@gmail.com wrote:


    14. You cannot control the dosage with mrna, because the body produces it.

    Ofcourse you are yourself the murderer here, all the risks taken amount to a
    reckless disregard for life, which is a criteria for intentional killing.
    I know this is silly of me but curiosity has the better of me.
    What is this claim about not controlling the dosage of the mRNA vaccine because the body produces mRNA?

    Do you understand that the vaccine is an mRNA of a specific sequence
    of ribonucleosides that encode for something called the Spike protein?
    Do you understand that human cells do not normally produce mRNAs
    that encode for the Spike protein?
    Do you understand that the cells that endocytose the anti-Covid mRNA vaccines don't synthesize any mRNA with sequences that encode for
    the Spike protein? The only mRNA that encodes for the Spike protein
    that they have comes from vaccine particles --- unless they get infected
    by the actual SARS-Cov-2 virus, which produces its own viral mRNAs, including one which encodes the Spike protein.

    I just don't understand what you imagine in behind your claim 14. Help me out.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to mohammad...@gmail.com on Fri Sep 22 19:42:14 2023
    On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 06:34:09 -0700 (PDT)
    "mohammad...@gmail.com" <mohammadnursyamsu@gmail.com> wrote:

    APnews and usatoday, are known liars. I mean, what is the point of referencing liars? If you want to find out what is in the vaccine, then you have to analyze it. But ofcourse, this was forbidden to do, because of clownworld. But the limited
    investigation that was done anyway, showed all sorts of contaminants in the vaccine. So then the next thing is to analyze the blood of vaccinated vs unvaccinated, and the graphene was found to be in the blood of the vaccinated. Do you understand that
    the only science is open science, direct investigation, and not the say so, of some public relations officer?

    14. You cannot control the dosage with mrna, because the body produces it.

    Ofcourse you are yourself the murderer here, all the risks taken amount to a reckless disregard for life, which is a criteria for intentional killing.

    It was predictable from the start that vaccinating during a pandemic, would lead to immune escape. This is why when you take some vaccination for going to some country, then you have to take it well in advance, complete your vaccination, so that the
    antibodies are matured. But I guess it doesn't matter anymore to take it in advance, when there are immune escape variants about pandemically.

    The virus starts out a couple of miles from a lab where they are doing gain of function on coronaviruses.

    I know I have the motherload with the creationist conceptual scheme, the concepts of fact and opinion, the basics of reasoning. You just prove you are a total moron, every time you reject it.

    Let's consider your emotional basis in reasoning. You make up a story that the virus was more crafty than expected. Or people were just wrong to vaccinate during a pandemic, because of it leading to immune escape. Isn't your emotional basis very self
    serving?

    go troll a medical NG. You might get better answers there.


    Op vrijdag 22 september 2023 om 04:05:43 UTC+2 schreef *Hemidactylus*:
    mohammad...@gmail.com <mohammad...@gmail.com> wrote:
    The truth is still very simple. Marginalizing subjectivity results in bad personal opinions, weird ideology, and mental illness. Which then very obviously and straightforwardly, leads to individual and societal catastrophy.

    The fact obsessed academic people have no clue anymore about how to reason "carefully", and about what is "important", because they all suck at subjectivity. Now acdemics is a whole culture of being clueless about how subjectivity works, it is beyond the individual.

    1. mass vaccination, during a pandemic

    Makes sense, but the distribution of vaccines was inequitable across the globe.

    2. using eperimental mrna vaccine, on the entire population

    The entire population? Even in the US this is nowhere near true. If memory serves Israel had a decent vaccination uptake bur perhaps not entire. Other parts of the world were nowhere near entire.

    3. mrna vaccines which are not local, and which lasts in the body a long time, which are parameters that are opposite an ideal vaccine

    How long do these vaccines (or their spike protein products) last? How long in comparison does SARS-CoV-2 last? Which would you prefer?

    4. Using experimental lipids in a vaccine, for the entire population, which are known to cross the brain barrier
    5. Using highly toxic graphene oxide in the production of vaccines.

    https://apnews.com/article/988165173107

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/03/28/fact-check-document-shows-graphene-used-test-covid-19-vaccine-not-make/11556190002/

    6. Coercing people to take the vaccine
    I would have preferred more coercing. They had one job and failed. The lives of the many over the misgivings of deluded kooks. If something deadlier than COVID virus goes pandemic we are so fucked because the deluded kooks.
    7. Censoring criticism of the vaccine, not engaging in scientific debate
    Disinformation should be nipped in the bud by social media giants. It kills people. There’s no scientific debate involved on the denier side. It’s just
    a throwback to MMR-autism nonsense. Now pet owners are starting to question vaccinations for dogs and cats:

    https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2023/nearly-half-of-dog-owners-are-hesitant-to-vaccinate-their-pets/
    8. Having no treatment plan at all for people getting covid, just sit and wait untill it gets so bad that you have to go to the hospital.

    There were monoclonals and antivirals. Plus steroids. The vaccines changed everything. The viruses were a bit more crafty than expected hence the current arms race. The virus side may be attenuating or the collective immunity dampening it. Eventually it may become yet another HCoV. There was that Russian thing:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8813723/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1889–1890_pandemic

    If a coronavirus, doubtfully a lab leak.
    9. Throwing out perfectly good treatment like vitamin D, and antivirals like hcq, and ivermectine
    At least Vitamin D has nutritional value.

    The only potential value for ivermectin would possibly be in areas of the world where people with SARS-CoV-2 infection also have a parasitic worm load.
    10. Using lethal high risk unproven remdesivir
    11. Masking children as young as 3 for hours on end, for years
    12. making the research data into vaccines secret
    13. Lying about the origins of the virus

    And, on and on the list goes, of the total failure of academics, which is to say the failed personal judgment of academically educated people.

    1. Creator / chooses / spiritual / subjective / opinion
    2. Creation / chosen / material / objective / fact

    This gridlock of yours only serves to indicate severe monomania.

    Where subjective means, identified with a chosen opinion, and objective means, identified with a model of it. And "choosing" is explained in terms of spontaneity, that a decision can turn out one way or another, in the moment.

    Facts do not care about your feelings.



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    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From Lawyer Daggett@21:1/5 to mohammad...@gmail.com on Fri Sep 22 14:04:42 2023
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:05:45 PM UTC-4, mohammad...@gmail.com wrote:
    With a normal vaccine, you can control how much vaccine you give to someone. You inject the right amount, and then it's destroyed. With the mrna, you inject it,
    then the body starts producing spikes, which you cannot control how much spikes
    the body will produce. And certainly, the amount is obviously going to vary wildly
    between individuals.

    Well now, thank you for responding. I have a few comments.
    Firstly, this is a change from
    14. You cannot control the dosage with mrna, because the body produces it.

    To cut through it, your renewed complaint seems to be that you can't control the
    dosage of the antigen, the Spike protein, as opposed to the dosage of the vaccine.

    To avoid confusion, most people read "the vaccine" to be the stuff in the bottle
    that gets sucked up into a syringe and then gets injected into your arm.

    This isn't a trite bit of semantics as you specifically reference the dosage of mRNA
    and go on to say that the body produces it(mRNA seems to be the antecedent to "it").
    Your follow-up would seem to allude to "it" being the Spike protein. Indeed, the cells
    that endocytose the vaccine do produce the Spike protein, from the vaccine's mRNA.

    As you claim, with large forgiveness for extremely sloppy language, the ultimate dosage
    of the Spike protein produced is not finely controlled.

    I'm not clear on why you think this is a large problem. To shortcut future back and forth,
    the expression of the vaccine mRNA is predominantly occurring in antigen presenting
    cells, which are sacrificial cells with a short life-span. They function to eat threats,
    chop them up, and display them on their cell surface. Where's the problem with them
    doing that 2X or 5X fold?

    Please explain where you see the biological problem.

    Op vrijdag 22 september 2023 om 18:50:45 UTC+2 schreef Lawyer Daggett:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 9:35:45 AM UTC-4, mohammad...@gmail.com wrote:


    14. You cannot control the dosage with mrna, because the body produces it.

    Ofcourse you are yourself the murderer here, all the risks taken amount to a
    reckless disregard for life, which is a criteria for intentional killing.
    I know this is silly of me but curiosity has the better of me.
    What is this claim about not controlling the dosage of the mRNA vaccine because the body produces mRNA?

    Do you understand that the vaccine is an mRNA of a specific sequence
    of ribonucleosides that encode for something called the Spike protein?
    Do you understand that human cells do not normally produce mRNAs
    that encode for the Spike protein?
    Do you understand that the cells that endocytose the anti-Covid mRNA vaccines don't synthesize any mRNA with sequences that encode for
    the Spike protein? The only mRNA that encodes for the Spike protein
    that they have comes from vaccine particles --- unless they get infected by the actual SARS-Cov-2 virus, which produces its own viral mRNAs, including one which encodes the Spike protein.

    I just don't understand what you imagine in behind your claim 14. Help me out.

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  • From Matt Beasley@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 22 15:44:53 2023
    mohammad...rote:
    With a normal vaccine, you can control how much vaccine you give to someone. You inject the right amount, and then it's destroyed. With the mrna, you inject it, then the body starts producing spikes, which you cannot control how much spikes the body
    will produce. And certainly, the amount is obviously going to vary wildly between individuals.

    Lawyer Daggett:
    mohammad..rote:


    14. You cannot control the dosage with mrna, because the body produces it.

    Ofcourse you are yourself the murderer here, all the risks taken amount to a
    reckless disregard for life, which is a criteria for intentional killing.
    I know this is silly of me but curiosity has the better of me.
    What is this claim about not controlling the dosage of the mRNA vaccine because the body produces mRNA?

    Do you understand that the vaccine is an mRNA of a specific sequence
    of ribonucleosides that encode for something called the Spike protein?
    Do you understand that human cells do not normally produce mRNAs
    that encode for the Spike protein?
    Do you understand that the cells that endocytose the anti-Covid mRNA vaccines don't synthesize any mRNA with sequences that encode for
    the Spike protein? The only mRNA that encodes for the Spike protein
    that they have comes from vaccine particles --- unless they get infected by the actual SARS-Cov-2 virus, which produces its own viral mRNAs, including one which encodes the Spike protein.

    I just don't understand what you imagine in behind your claim 14. Help me out.
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    Indian Man Defeats US Government In Trial
    By M9, Sept 20, 2023
    In a landmark case of Missouri v. Biden, the US government has been defeated by an Indian American professor at Stanford University whose opinions and views regarding COVID protocols were deemed controversial. The ruling of the federal court prohibits
    the US government from censoring any kind of speech they don’t like by pressuring social media companies.

    Jayanta Bhattacharya, born in Kolkata, is a scientist who co-authored the famous Great Barrington Declaration that criticized the lockdown policies implemented by governments all over the world. It was found that the US government threatened social media
    companies to censor any information they didn’t like. This violated the right to free speech given to every American.

    He stressed the importance of a free environment for the scientific community in order to grow. The case would set a new precedent allowing scientists to put forth their theories without any fear. During the course of investigation, the court allowed
    them to see the internal emails proving to be the evidence for the government threatening these companies with regulatory actions.

    Another author of the Great Barrington Declaration, Dr Sunetra Gupta is also an Indian. They came together during the pandemic in 2020 as they shared similar ideas.

    https://www.m9.news/usa-news/indian-man-defeats-us-government-in-trial/

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Lawyer Daggett on Fri Sep 22 22:28:13 2023
    Lawyer Daggett <j.nobel.daggett@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:05:45 PM UTC-4, mohammad...@gmail.com wrote:
    With a normal vaccine, you can control how much vaccine you give to someone. >> You inject the right amount, and then it's destroyed. With the mrna, you inject it,
    then the body starts producing spikes, which you cannot control how much spikes
    the body will produce. And certainly, the amount is obviously going to vary wildly
    between individuals.

    Well now, thank you for responding. I have a few comments.
    Firstly, this is a change from
    14. You cannot control the dosage with mrna, because the body produces it.

    To cut through it, your renewed complaint seems to be that you can't control the
    dosage of the antigen, the Spike protein, as opposed to the dosage of the vaccine.

    To avoid confusion, most people read "the vaccine" to be the stuff in the bottle
    that gets sucked up into a syringe and then gets injected into your arm.

    This isn't a trite bit of semantics as you specifically reference the dosage of mRNA
    and go on to say that the body produces it(mRNA seems to be the antecedent to "it").
    Your follow-up would seem to allude to "it" being the Spike protein. Indeed, the cells
    that endocytose the vaccine do produce the Spike protein, from the vaccine's mRNA.

    As you claim, with large forgiveness for extremely sloppy language, the ultimate dosage
    of the Spike protein produced is not finely controlled.

    I'm not clear on why you think this is a large problem. To shortcut future back and forth,
    the expression of the vaccine mRNA is predominantly occurring in antigen presenting
    cells, which are sacrificial cells with a short life-span. They function to eat threats,
    chop them up, and display them on their cell surface. Where's the problem with them
    doing that 2X or 5X fold?

    Please explain where you see the biological problem.

    And with that I think the thread has taken a very intriguing turn. Thanks. You’re not being subjective enough sure, but objectively you’re on a great path.

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  • From mohammadnursyamsu@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 22 17:29:33 2023
    This is not how to play doctor, with a varying, uncontrolled, medication, or in this case, vaccination. It is unknown risks, unknown effects.

    Ofcourse, it obviously seems stupid. And then some expert says, it is stupid, so there you go.

    Ofcourse every lay person would from the start guess this is undesirable. But, you don't, because you have bad judgment. Lacking common sense, about controlling what to put into someone's body.

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