They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans
were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the
glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some
time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia
and the Americas at that time.
RonO wrote:
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the
fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans
were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the
glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some
time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia
and the Americas at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4650307.stm
The good Doctor posted that one... 18 years ago.
Still, for you that's fast. Way to catch up here, speedy!
...and for now let's ignore the fact that you "Cite" has
nothing to do with footprints.
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my hero
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
RonO wrote:
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the >> fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans
were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the
glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some
time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia
and the Americas at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4650307.stm
The good Doctor posted that one... 18 years ago.
Still, for you that's fast. Way to catch up here, speedy!
...and for now let's ignore the fact that you "Cite" has
nothing to do with footprints.
From the cited article:
***************************
Dr Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University and her
colleagues found the footprints in the quarry, some 130km (80 miles) south-east of Mexico City, in 2003. But they have only finished dating
them this year.
****************************
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my hero
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
RonO wrote:
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the >>> fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans
were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the
glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some
time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia
and the Americas at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4650307.stm
The good Doctor posted that one... 18 years ago.
Still, for you that's fast. Way to catch up here, speedy!
...and for now let's ignore the fact that you "Cite" has
nothing to do with footprints.
From the cited article:
***************************
Dr Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University and her
colleagues found the footprints in the quarry, some 130km (80 miles) south-east of Mexico City, in 2003. But they have only finished dating
them this year.
****************************
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
https://phys.org/news/2023-09-explosion-fish-biodiversity-due-genetic.html
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans
were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the
glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some
time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia
and the Americas at that time.
Between warm and cold periods there has been a passage between Asia and America from time to time. Bison came over around 400,000 years ago (3
ice ages ago) and other animals like camels, moose and horses have
crossed over one direction or the other. Neanderthals, Denisovans or
even Homo erectus may have been able to cross over during certain times
in the past. They could have just followed the animals that they ate.
We do not seem to have the genetic evidence that these first migrants interbred with what came over in the last wave within the last 15,000 years. The recent migrants would have had to do a better job at
eliminating the resident population than the agriculturalists managed to
do to the hunter gatherers in Europe. Maybe the early migrants didn't survive much past 21,000 years ago. They may have made it over during
the previous warm interval, and may have lived in the Americas for
100,000 years, but they never seemed to be very successful. Maybe
something like a small family group were the only ones to make it over
and by 21,000 years ago they may have been as much of an inbred mess as
the last surviving Wrangel Island mammoth.
Ron Okimoto
On 10/7/2023 2:59 AM, jillery wrote:
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my hero
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
RonO wrote:
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the >>>> fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans
were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the
glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some
time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia >>>> and the Americas at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4650307.stm
The good Doctor posted that one... 18 years ago.
Still, for you that's fast. Way to catch up here, speedy!
...and for now let's ignore the fact that you "Cite" has
nothing to do with footprints.
From the cited article:
***************************
Dr Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University and her
colleagues found the footprints in the quarry, some 130km (80 miles)
south-east of Mexico City, in 2003. But they have only finished dating
them this year.
****************************
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
https://www.science.org/content/article/new-footprint-dates-bolster-claim-human-arrival-americas-during-ice-age
This is the link that I wanted to post. I do not know how the cichlid
link got pasted in since I hadn't gone to phys.org that day, and I had
the science article up in my browser and took the link from there. I
had posted the cichlid phys.org article as one of two links for a TO
post several days before. It must have been something screwy about the >eternal september copy and paste buffers.
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 09:22:21 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 2:59 AM, jillery wrote:Usenet works in mysterious ways, its wonders to perform.
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my herohttps://www.science.org/content/article/new-footprint-dates-bolster-claim-human-arrival-americas-during-ice-age
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
RonO wrote:
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the >>>>> fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans
were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the >>>>> glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some >>>>> time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia >>>>> and the Americas at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4650307.stm
The good Doctor posted that one... 18 years ago.
Still, for you that's fast. Way to catch up here, speedy!
...and for now let's ignore the fact that you "Cite" has
nothing to do with footprints.
From the cited article:
***************************
Dr Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University and her
colleagues found the footprints in the quarry, some 130km (80 miles)
south-east of Mexico City, in 2003. But they have only finished dating
them this year.
****************************
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
This is the link that I wanted to post. I do not know how the cichlid
link got pasted in since I hadn't gone to phys.org that day, and I had
the science article up in my browser and took the link from there. I
had posted the cichlid phys.org article as one of two links for a TO
post several days before. It must have been something screwy about the
eternal september copy and paste buffers.
From the cited article:
***************************
Dr Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University and her
colleagues found the footprints in the quarry, some 130km (80 miles) south-east of Mexico City, in 2003. But they have only finished dating
them this year.
****************************
On 10/7/2023 10:30 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 09:22:21 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 2:59 AM, jillery wrote:Usenet works in mysterious ways, its wonders to perform.
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my herohttps://www.science.org/content/article/new-footprint-dates-bolster-claim-human-arrival-americas-during-ice-age
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
RonO wrote:
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the >>>>>> fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans >>>>>> were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the >>>>>> glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some >>>>>> time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia >>>>>> and the Americas at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4650307.stm
The good Doctor posted that one... 18 years ago.
Still, for you that's fast. Way to catch up here, speedy!
...and for now let's ignore the fact that you "Cite" has
nothing to do with footprints.
From the cited article:
***************************
Dr Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University and her
colleagues found the footprints in the quarry, some 130km (80 miles)
south-east of Mexico City, in 2003. But they have only finished dating >>>> them this year.
****************************
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
This is the link that I wanted to post. I do not know how the cichlid
link got pasted in since I hadn't gone to phys.org that day, and I had
the science article up in my browser and took the link from there. I
had posted the cichlid phys.org article as one of two links for a TO
post several days before. It must have been something screwy about the
eternal september copy and paste buffers.
It may be due to the new feature of eternal september. It is
irritating. When you click on a thread or post eternal september opens
a copy and it goes to a bar across the top of the window, but the post
that gets opened only has the first part of the post, and you can't
access the rest of the post from that window. I just reduce them and
let them build up along the bar. This bar fills up with useless
windows, and I cleared them before starting that last post. Sometimes
when you are trying to delete the bit on the bar the window will expand
to full screen. It is a really annoying feature, but I probably did
access a cichlid post in that mess as I was cleaning it up before
writing that post.
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 12:41:40 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 10:30 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:Interesting. I use ES now (I used to use Supernews), but via
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 09:22:21 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 2:59 AM, jillery wrote:Usenet works in mysterious ways, its wonders to perform.
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my herohttps://www.science.org/content/article/new-footprint-dates-bolster-claim-human-arrival-americas-during-ice-age
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
RonO wrote:
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the
fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans >>>>>>> were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the >>>>>>> glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some >>>>>>> time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia >>>>>>> and the Americas at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4650307.stm
The good Doctor posted that one... 18 years ago.
Still, for you that's fast. Way to catch up here, speedy!
...and for now let's ignore the fact that you "Cite" has
nothing to do with footprints.
From the cited article:
***************************
Dr Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University and her
colleagues found the footprints in the quarry, some 130km (80 miles) >>>>> south-east of Mexico City, in 2003. But they have only finished dating >>>>> them this year.
****************************
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
This is the link that I wanted to post. I do not know how the cichlid >>>> link got pasted in since I hadn't gone to phys.org that day, and I had >>>> the science article up in my browser and took the link from there. I
had posted the cichlid phys.org article as one of two links for a TO
post several days before. It must have been something screwy about the >>>> eternal september copy and paste buffers.
It may be due to the new feature of eternal september. It is
irritating. When you click on a thread or post eternal september opens
a copy and it goes to a bar across the top of the window, but the post
that gets opened only has the first part of the post, and you can't
access the rest of the post from that window. I just reduce them and
let them build up along the bar. This bar fills up with useless
windows, and I cleared them before starting that last post. Sometimes
when you are trying to delete the bit on the bar the window will expand
to full screen. It is a really annoying feature, but I probably did
access a cichlid post in that mess as I was cleaning it up before
writing that post.
Agent as a news client, so I don't see any of that. Can I
assume you use ES "directly", the way GurgleGropes works?
And that article is from 2005.
These are 2 different sites and reports; the 18 year old one is "from a quarry to the south west of Mexico City" later Puebla is mentioned.
On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 03:59:22 -0400
jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my hero
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
RonO wrote:
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the >> >> fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans
were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the
glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some
time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia >> >> and the Americas at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4650307.stm
The good Doctor posted that one... 18 years ago.
Still, for you that's fast. Way to catch up here, speedy!
...and for now let's ignore the fact that you "Cite" has
nothing to do with footprints.
From the cited article:
***************************
Dr Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University and her
colleagues found the footprints in the quarry, some 130km (80 miles)
south-east of Mexico City, in 2003. But they have only finished dating
them this year.
****************************
And that article is from 2005.
These are 2 different sites and reports; the 18 year old one is "from a >quarry to the south west of Mexico City" later Puebla is mentioned.
The recent one is of footprints at White Sands, New Mexico.
On 10/8/2023 10:15 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 12:41:40 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 10:30 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:Interesting. I use ES now (I used to use Supernews), but via
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 09:22:21 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 2:59 AM, jillery wrote:Usenet works in mysterious ways, its wonders to perform.
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my herohttps://www.science.org/content/article/new-footprint-dates-bolster-claim-human-arrival-americas-during-ice-age
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
RonO wrote:
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the
fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans >>>>>>>> were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the >>>>>>>> glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some >>>>>>>> time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia >>>>>>>> and the Americas at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4650307.stm
The good Doctor posted that one... 18 years ago.
Still, for you that's fast. Way to catch up here, speedy!
...and for now let's ignore the fact that you "Cite" has >>>>>>> nothing to do with footprints.
From the cited article:
***************************
Dr Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University and her
colleagues found the footprints in the quarry, some 130km (80 miles) >>>>>> south-east of Mexico City, in 2003. But they have only finished dating >>>>>> them this year.
****************************
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
This is the link that I wanted to post. I do not know how the cichlid >>>>> link got pasted in since I hadn't gone to phys.org that day, and I had >>>>> the science article up in my browser and took the link from there. I >>>>> had posted the cichlid phys.org article as one of two links for a TO >>>>> post several days before. It must have been something screwy about the >>>>> eternal september copy and paste buffers.
It may be due to the new feature of eternal september. It is
irritating. When you click on a thread or post eternal september opens
a copy and it goes to a bar across the top of the window, but the post
that gets opened only has the first part of the post, and you can't
access the rest of the post from that window. I just reduce them and
let them build up along the bar. This bar fills up with useless
windows, and I cleared them before starting that last post. Sometimes
when you are trying to delete the bit on the bar the window will expand
to full screen. It is a really annoying feature, but I probably did
access a cichlid post in that mess as I was cleaning it up before
writing that post.
Agent as a news client, so I don't see any of that. Can I
assume you use ES "directly", the way GurgleGropes works?
As far as I know the version of eternal september that I have is
independent of google groups and google. I made the mistake of donating >money to eternal september and got an upgrade that wiped out the TO
groups threads and posts that I had back to 2010. It was all treed
unlike google, and it used to be easier to look up older posts.
I also get two windows opened every time I click on a thread or post.
As I said one window has only a partial copy of the post and is
basically useless.
Ron Okimoto
Interesting. I use ES now (I used to use Supernews)
On 10/8/2023 10:15 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 12:41:40 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 10:30 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:Interesting. I use ES now (I used to use Supernews), but via
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 09:22:21 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 2:59 AM, jillery wrote:Usenet works in mysterious ways, its wonders to perform.
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my herohttps://www.science.org/content/article/new-footprint-dates-bolster-claim-human-arrival-americas-during-ice-age
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
RonO wrote:
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the
fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans >>>>>>>> were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the >>>>>>>> glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some >>>>>>>> time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia >>>>>>>> and the Americas at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4650307.stm
The good Doctor posted that one... 18 years ago.
Still, for you that's fast. Way to catch up here, speedy!
...and for now let's ignore the fact that you "Cite" has >>>>>>> nothing to do with footprints.
From the cited article:
***************************
Dr Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University and her
colleagues found the footprints in the quarry, some 130km (80 miles) >>>>>> south-east of Mexico City, in 2003. But they have only finished dating >>>>>> them this year.
****************************
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
This is the link that I wanted to post. I do not know how the cichlid >>>>> link got pasted in since I hadn't gone to phys.org that day, and I had >>>>> the science article up in my browser and took the link from there. I >>>>> had posted the cichlid phys.org article as one of two links for a TO >>>>> post several days before. It must have been something screwy about the >>>>> eternal september copy and paste buffers.
It may be due to the new feature of eternal september. It is
irritating. When you click on a thread or post eternal september opens
a copy and it goes to a bar across the top of the window, but the post
that gets opened only has the first part of the post, and you can't
access the rest of the post from that window. I just reduce them and
let them build up along the bar. This bar fills up with useless
windows, and I cleared them before starting that last post. Sometimes
when you are trying to delete the bit on the bar the window will expand
to full screen. It is a really annoying feature, but I probably did
access a cichlid post in that mess as I was cleaning it up before
writing that post.
Agent as a news client, so I don't see any of that. Can I
assume you use ES "directly", the way GurgleGropes works?
As far as I know the version of eternal september that I have is
independent of google groups and google. I made the mistake of donating >money to eternal september and got an upgrade that wiped out the TO
groups threads and posts that I had back to 2010. It was all treed
unlike google, and it used to be easier to look up older posts.
I also get two windows opened every time I click on a thread or post.
As I said one window has only a partial copy of the post and is
basically useless.
On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 12:02:35 -0500, RonO <rokimoto@cox.net> wrote:
On 10/8/2023 10:15 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 12:41:40 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 10:30 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:Interesting. I use ES now (I used to use Supernews), but via
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 09:22:21 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 2:59 AM, jillery wrote:Usenet works in mysterious ways, its wonders to perform.
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my herohttps://www.science.org/content/article/new-footprint-dates-bolster-claim-human-arrival-americas-during-ice-age
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
RonO wrote:
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the
fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans >>>>>>>>> were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the >>>>>>>>> glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some >>>>>>>>> time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia
and the Americas at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4650307.stm
The good Doctor posted that one... 18 years ago.
Still, for you that's fast. Way to catch up here, speedy!
...and for now let's ignore the fact that you "Cite" has >>>>>>>> nothing to do with footprints.
From the cited article:
***************************
Dr Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University and her >>>>>>> colleagues found the footprints in the quarry, some 130km (80 miles) >>>>>>> south-east of Mexico City, in 2003. But they have only finished dating >>>>>>> them this year.
****************************
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
This is the link that I wanted to post. I do not know how the cichlid >>>>>> link got pasted in since I hadn't gone to phys.org that day, and I had >>>>>> the science article up in my browser and took the link from there. I >>>>>> had posted the cichlid phys.org article as one of two links for a TO >>>>>> post several days before. It must have been something screwy about the >>>>>> eternal september copy and paste buffers.
It may be due to the new feature of eternal september. It is
irritating. When you click on a thread or post eternal september opens >>>> a copy and it goes to a bar across the top of the window, but the post >>>> that gets opened only has the first part of the post, and you can't
access the rest of the post from that window. I just reduce them and
let them build up along the bar. This bar fills up with useless
windows, and I cleared them before starting that last post. Sometimes >>>> when you are trying to delete the bit on the bar the window will expand >>>> to full screen. It is a really annoying feature, but I probably did
access a cichlid post in that mess as I was cleaning it up before
writing that post.
Agent as a news client, so I don't see any of that. Can I
assume you use ES "directly", the way GurgleGropes works?
As far as I know the version of eternal september that I have is >>independent of google groups and google. I made the mistake of donating >>money to eternal september and got an upgrade that wiped out the TO
groups threads and posts that I had back to 2010. It was all treed
unlike google, and it used to be easier to look up older posts.
I also get two windows opened every time I click on a thread or post.
As I said one window has only a partial copy of the post and is
basically useless.
Weird. As an E-S user, I have experienced nothing like you describe
above. It sounds to me more like some incompatibility between your
browser and newsreader, neither of which involves E-S. According to
your headers, your newsreader is Mozilla Thunderbird or something
based on that engine.
On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 12:02:35 -0500, RonO <rokimoto@cox.net> wrote:
On 10/8/2023 10:15 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 12:41:40 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 10:30 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:Interesting. I use ES now (I used to use Supernews), but via
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 09:22:21 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 2:59 AM, jillery wrote:Usenet works in mysterious ways, its wonders to perform.
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my herohttps://www.science.org/content/article/new-footprint-dates-bolster-claim-human-arrival-americas-during-ice-age
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
RonO wrote:
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the
fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans >>>>>>>>> were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the >>>>>>>>> glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some >>>>>>>>> time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia
and the Americas at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4650307.stm
The good Doctor posted that one... 18 years ago.
Still, for you that's fast. Way to catch up here, speedy!
...and for now let's ignore the fact that you "Cite" has >>>>>>>> nothing to do with footprints.
From the cited article:
***************************
Dr Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University and her >>>>>>> colleagues found the footprints in the quarry, some 130km (80 miles) >>>>>>> south-east of Mexico City, in 2003. But they have only finished dating >>>>>>> them this year.
****************************
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
This is the link that I wanted to post. I do not know how the cichlid >>>>>> link got pasted in since I hadn't gone to phys.org that day, and I had >>>>>> the science article up in my browser and took the link from there. I >>>>>> had posted the cichlid phys.org article as one of two links for a TO >>>>>> post several days before. It must have been something screwy about the >>>>>> eternal september copy and paste buffers.
It may be due to the new feature of eternal september. It is
irritating. When you click on a thread or post eternal september opens >>>> a copy and it goes to a bar across the top of the window, but the post >>>> that gets opened only has the first part of the post, and you can't
access the rest of the post from that window. I just reduce them and
let them build up along the bar. This bar fills up with useless
windows, and I cleared them before starting that last post. Sometimes >>>> when you are trying to delete the bit on the bar the window will expand >>>> to full screen. It is a really annoying feature, but I probably did
access a cichlid post in that mess as I was cleaning it up before
writing that post.
Agent as a news client, so I don't see any of that. Can I
assume you use ES "directly", the way GurgleGropes works?
As far as I know the version of eternal september that I have is
independent of google groups and google. I made the mistake of donating
money to eternal september and got an upgrade that wiped out the TO
groups threads and posts that I had back to 2010. It was all treed
unlike google, and it used to be easier to look up older posts.
I also get two windows opened every time I click on a thread or post.
As I said one window has only a partial copy of the post and is
basically useless.
Ron Okimoto
Weird. As an E-S user, I have experienced nothing like you describe
above. It sounds to me more like some incompatibility between your
browser and newsreader, neither of which involves E-S. According to
your headers, your newsreader is Mozilla Thunderbird or something
based on that engine.
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 12:02:35 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/8/2023 10:15 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:I wasn't clear; I meant the reference to Gurgle to be an
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 12:41:40 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 10:30 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:Interesting. I use ES now (I used to use Supernews), but via
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 09:22:21 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 2:59 AM, jillery wrote:Usenet works in mysterious ways, its wonders to perform.
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my herohttps://www.science.org/content/article/new-footprint-dates-bolster-claim-human-arrival-americas-during-ice-age
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
RonO wrote:
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the
fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans >>>>>>>>> were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the >>>>>>>>> glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some >>>>>>>>> time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia
and the Americas at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4650307.stm
The good Doctor posted that one... 18 years ago.
Still, for you that's fast. Way to catch up here, speedy!
...and for now let's ignore the fact that you "Cite" has >>>>>>>> nothing to do with footprints.
From the cited article:
***************************
Dr Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University and her >>>>>>> colleagues found the footprints in the quarry, some 130km (80 miles) >>>>>>> south-east of Mexico City, in 2003. But they have only finished dating >>>>>>> them this year.
****************************
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
This is the link that I wanted to post. I do not know how the cichlid >>>>>> link got pasted in since I hadn't gone to phys.org that day, and I had >>>>>> the science article up in my browser and took the link from there. I >>>>>> had posted the cichlid phys.org article as one of two links for a TO >>>>>> post several days before. It must have been something screwy about the >>>>>> eternal september copy and paste buffers.
It may be due to the new feature of eternal september. It is
irritating. When you click on a thread or post eternal september opens >>>> a copy and it goes to a bar across the top of the window, but the post >>>> that gets opened only has the first part of the post, and you can't
access the rest of the post from that window. I just reduce them and
let them build up along the bar. This bar fills up with useless
windows, and I cleared them before starting that last post. Sometimes >>>> when you are trying to delete the bit on the bar the window will expand >>>> to full screen. It is a really annoying feature, but I probably did
access a cichlid post in that mess as I was cleaning it up before
writing that post.
Agent as a news client, so I don't see any of that. Can I
assume you use ES "directly", the way GurgleGropes works?
As far as I know the version of eternal september that I have is
independent of google groups and google. I made the mistake of donating
money to eternal september and got an upgrade that wiped out the TO
groups threads and posts that I had back to 2010. It was all treed
unlike google, and it used to be easier to look up older posts.
I also get two windows opened every time I click on a thread or post.
As I said one window has only a partial copy of the post and is
basically useless.
example of accessing newsgroups on the Web, rather than via
a newsreader like Agent. From your post and from the headers
it looks like you use a browser to access ES, and read posts
directly on ES (something I wasn't aware was available). Is
that correct? If it is, and if you can install software on
the machine you use, there are free news clients such as
Free Agent available that could solve the problem you have,
since threads are stored locally. I have access to the first
posts I made on this system, back in 2005. And I can copy
and store locally any post, mine or other.
On 10/8/2023 1:20 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 12:02:35 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/8/2023 10:15 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:I wasn't clear; I meant the reference to Gurgle to be an
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 12:41:40 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 10:30 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:Interesting. I use ES now (I used to use Supernews), but via
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 09:22:21 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 2:59 AM, jillery wrote:Usenet works in mysterious ways, its wonders to perform.
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my herohttps://www.science.org/content/article/new-footprint-dates-bolster-claim-human-arrival-americas-during-ice-age
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
RonO wrote:
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the
fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans >>>>>>>>>> were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the
glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some
time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia
and the Americas at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4650307.stm
The good Doctor posted that one... 18 years ago.
Still, for you that's fast. Way to catch up here, speedy!
...and for now let's ignore the fact that you "Cite" has >>>>>>>>> nothing to do with footprints.
From the cited article:
***************************
Dr Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University and her >>>>>>>> colleagues found the footprints in the quarry, some 130km (80 miles) >>>>>>>> south-east of Mexico City, in 2003. But they have only finished dating >>>>>>>> them this year.
****************************
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge >>>>>>>>
This is the link that I wanted to post. I do not know how the cichlid >>>>>>> link got pasted in since I hadn't gone to phys.org that day, and I had >>>>>>> the science article up in my browser and took the link from there. I >>>>>>> had posted the cichlid phys.org article as one of two links for a TO >>>>>>> post several days before. It must have been something screwy about the >>>>>>> eternal september copy and paste buffers.
It may be due to the new feature of eternal september. It is
irritating. When you click on a thread or post eternal september opens >>>>> a copy and it goes to a bar across the top of the window, but the post >>>>> that gets opened only has the first part of the post, and you can't
access the rest of the post from that window. I just reduce them and >>>>> let them build up along the bar. This bar fills up with useless
windows, and I cleared them before starting that last post. Sometimes >>>>> when you are trying to delete the bit on the bar the window will expand >>>>> to full screen. It is a really annoying feature, but I probably did >>>>> access a cichlid post in that mess as I was cleaning it up before
writing that post.
Agent as a news client, so I don't see any of that. Can I
assume you use ES "directly", the way GurgleGropes works?
As far as I know the version of eternal september that I have is
independent of google groups and google. I made the mistake of donating >>> money to eternal september and got an upgrade that wiped out the TO
groups threads and posts that I had back to 2010. It was all treed
unlike google, and it used to be easier to look up older posts.
I also get two windows opened every time I click on a thread or post.
As I said one window has only a partial copy of the post and is
basically useless.
example of accessing newsgroups on the Web, rather than via
a newsreader like Agent. From your post and from the headers
it looks like you use a browser to access ES, and read posts
directly on ES (something I wasn't aware was available). Is
that correct? If it is, and if you can install software on
the machine you use, there are free news clients such as
Free Agent available that could solve the problem you have,
since threads are stored locally. I have access to the first
posts I made on this system, back in 2005. And I can copy
and store locally any post, mine or other.
I just checked and the posts back to 2010 are back, but they are
fragmented because I've been using the "killfile" system that isn't a >killfile system, but it deletes all posts from a given poster. All the >threads that Nyikos participated in are cut up. It looks like Nyikos
should have just been banned. From what I've seen other posters are >responding to posts Nyikos is still posting to me, but they are
responding to the crap that he spreads about other posters in his usual >assoholic posting style. I did not followed Nyikos around TO with a
pooper scooper, but others did it and still do. Nyikos likely never
posted a productive post to me. It was pretty much all his stupid >harassment. It should have never started, and it should have ended
years ago.
On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 16:03:13 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/8/2023 1:20 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:OK, that's a new one on me; I have zero experience with such
On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 12:02:35 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/8/2023 10:15 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:I wasn't clear; I meant the reference to Gurgle to be an
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 12:41:40 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 10:30 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:Interesting. I use ES now (I used to use Supernews), but via
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 09:22:21 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 2:59 AM, jillery wrote:Usenet works in mysterious ways, its wonders to perform.
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my herohttps://www.science.org/content/article/new-footprint-dates-bolster-claim-human-arrival-americas-during-ice-age
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
RonO wrote:
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the
fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans >>>>>>>>>>> were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the
glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some
time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia
and the Americas at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4650307.stm
The good Doctor posted that one... 18 years ago.
Still, for you that's fast. Way to catch up here, speedy!
...and for now let's ignore the fact that you "Cite" has >>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with footprints.
From the cited article:
***************************
Dr Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University and her >>>>>>>>> colleagues found the footprints in the quarry, some 130km (80 miles) >>>>>>>>> south-east of Mexico City, in 2003. But they have only finished dating
them this year.
****************************
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge >>>>>>>>>
This is the link that I wanted to post. I do not know how the cichlid >>>>>>>> link got pasted in since I hadn't gone to phys.org that day, and I had >>>>>>>> the science article up in my browser and took the link from there. I >>>>>>>> had posted the cichlid phys.org article as one of two links for a TO >>>>>>>> post several days before. It must have been something screwy about the
eternal september copy and paste buffers.
It may be due to the new feature of eternal september. It is
irritating. When you click on a thread or post eternal september opens >>>>>> a copy and it goes to a bar across the top of the window, but the post >>>>>> that gets opened only has the first part of the post, and you can't >>>>>> access the rest of the post from that window. I just reduce them and >>>>>> let them build up along the bar. This bar fills up with useless
windows, and I cleared them before starting that last post. Sometimes >>>>>> when you are trying to delete the bit on the bar the window will expand >>>>>> to full screen. It is a really annoying feature, but I probably did >>>>>> access a cichlid post in that mess as I was cleaning it up before
writing that post.
Agent as a news client, so I don't see any of that. Can I
assume you use ES "directly", the way GurgleGropes works?
As far as I know the version of eternal september that I have is
independent of google groups and google. I made the mistake of donating >>>> money to eternal september and got an upgrade that wiped out the TO
groups threads and posts that I had back to 2010. It was all treed
unlike google, and it used to be easier to look up older posts.
I also get two windows opened every time I click on a thread or post.
As I said one window has only a partial copy of the post and is
basically useless.
example of accessing newsgroups on the Web, rather than via
a newsreader like Agent. From your post and from the headers
it looks like you use a browser to access ES, and read posts
directly on ES (something I wasn't aware was available). Is
that correct? If it is, and if you can install software on
the machine you use, there are free news clients such as
Free Agent available that could solve the problem you have,
since threads are stored locally. I have access to the first
posts I made on this system, back in 2005. And I can copy
and store locally any post, mine or other.
I just checked and the posts back to 2010 are back, but they are
fragmented because I've been using the "killfile" system that isn't a
killfile system, but it deletes all posts from a given poster. All the
threads that Nyikos participated in are cut up. It looks like Nyikos
should have just been banned. From what I've seen other posters are
responding to posts Nyikos is still posting to me, but they are
responding to the crap that he spreads about other posters in his usual
assoholic posting style. I did not followed Nyikos around TO with a
pooper scooper, but others did it and still do. Nyikos likely never
posted a productive post to me. It was pretty much all his stupid
harassment. It should have never started, and it should have ended
years ago.
a system. As jillery noted elsethread, the headers for your
posts show "User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird", so however
you're accessing Usenet whatever system creates the headers
*thinks* that you're using T'bird or something related to
it.
FWIW, I have Nyikos killfiled, along with several others,
but the Agent's killfile only operates on future posts, not
on prior ones. So I'm afraid you're on your own; good luck.
On 10/8/2023 12:16 PM, jillery wrote:
On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 12:02:35 -0500, RonO <rokimoto@cox.net> wrote:
On 10/8/2023 10:15 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 12:41:40 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 10:30 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:Interesting. I use ES now (I used to use Supernews), but via
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 09:22:21 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 2:59 AM, jillery wrote:Usenet works in mysterious ways, its wonders to perform.
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my herohttps://www.science.org/content/article/new-footprint-dates-bolster-claim-human-arrival-americas-during-ice-age
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
RonO wrote:
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the
fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans >>>>>>>>>> were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the
glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some
time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia
and the Americas at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4650307.stm
The good Doctor posted that one... 18 years ago.
Still, for you that's fast. Way to catch up here, speedy!
...and for now let's ignore the fact that you "Cite" has >>>>>>>>> nothing to do with footprints.
From the cited article:
***************************
Dr Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University and her >>>>>>>> colleagues found the footprints in the quarry, some 130km (80 miles) >>>>>>>> south-east of Mexico City, in 2003. But they have only finished dating >>>>>>>> them this year.
****************************
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge >>>>>>>>
This is the link that I wanted to post. I do not know how the cichlid >>>>>>> link got pasted in since I hadn't gone to phys.org that day, and I had >>>>>>> the science article up in my browser and took the link from there. I >>>>>>> had posted the cichlid phys.org article as one of two links for a TO >>>>>>> post several days before. It must have been something screwy about the >>>>>>> eternal september copy and paste buffers.
It may be due to the new feature of eternal september. It is
irritating. When you click on a thread or post eternal september opens >>>>> a copy and it goes to a bar across the top of the window, but the post >>>>> that gets opened only has the first part of the post, and you can't
access the rest of the post from that window. I just reduce them and >>>>> let them build up along the bar. This bar fills up with useless
windows, and I cleared them before starting that last post. Sometimes >>>>> when you are trying to delete the bit on the bar the window will expand >>>>> to full screen. It is a really annoying feature, but I probably did >>>>> access a cichlid post in that mess as I was cleaning it up before
writing that post.
Agent as a news client, so I don't see any of that. Can I
assume you use ES "directly", the way GurgleGropes works?
As far as I know the version of eternal september that I have is
independent of google groups and google. I made the mistake of donating >>> money to eternal september and got an upgrade that wiped out the TO
groups threads and posts that I had back to 2010. It was all treed
unlike google, and it used to be easier to look up older posts.
I also get two windows opened every time I click on a thread or post.
As I said one window has only a partial copy of the post and is
basically useless.
Ron Okimoto
Weird. As an E-S user, I have experienced nothing like you describe
above. It sounds to me more like some incompatibility between your
browser and newsreader, neither of which involves E-S. According to
your headers, your newsreader is Mozilla Thunderbird or something
based on that engine.
Eternal september does not come up in my goggle or microsoft browser.
It is an independent window. There is a new mozilla icon that I click
on to open eternal september, but the symbol doesn't come up in the
eternal september window any longer. The update came right after I
started using the killfile message blocker to killfile Nyikos.
I just checked and the threads back to 2010 have returned, but they are
all fragmented because all the Nykosian posts have been deleted. The
post blocking seems to be retroactive to eternity.
Ron Okimoto
On 10/8/2023 5:07 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:[]
On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 16:03:13 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/8/2023 1:20 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 12:02:35 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/8/2023 10:15 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 12:41:40 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 10:30 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 09:22:21 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
OK, that's a new one on me; I have zero experience with suchI wasn't clear; I meant the reference to Gurgle to be anInteresting. I use ES now (I used to use Supernews), but viapost several days before. It must have been something screwy about theUsenet works in mysterious ways, its wonders to perform.
eternal september copy and paste buffers.
It may be due to the new feature of eternal september. It is
irritating. When you click on a thread or post eternal september opens
a copy and it goes to a bar across the top of the window, but the post >>>>>> that gets opened only has the first part of the post, and you can't >>>>>> access the rest of the post from that window. I just reduce them and >>>>>> let them build up along the bar. This bar fills up with useless >>>>>> windows, and I cleared them before starting that last post. Sometimes >>>>>> when you are trying to delete the bit on the bar the window will expand
to full screen. It is a really annoying feature, but I probably did >>>>>> access a cichlid post in that mess as I was cleaning it up before >>>>>> writing that post.
Agent as a news client, so I don't see any of that. Can I
assume you use ES "directly", the way GurgleGropes works?
As far as I know the version of eternal september that I have is
independent of google groups and google. I made the mistake of donating >>>> money to eternal september and got an upgrade that wiped out the TO
groups threads and posts that I had back to 2010. It was all treed
unlike google, and it used to be easier to look up older posts.
I also get two windows opened every time I click on a thread or post. >>>> As I said one window has only a partial copy of the post and is
basically useless.
example of accessing newsgroups on the Web, rather than via
a newsreader like Agent. From your post and from the headers
it looks like you use a browser to access ES, and read posts
directly on ES (something I wasn't aware was available). Is
that correct? If it is, and if you can install software on
the machine you use, there are free news clients such as
Free Agent available that could solve the problem you have,
since threads are stored locally. I have access to the first
posts I made on this system, back in 2005. And I can copy
and store locally any post, mine or other.
I just checked and the posts back to 2010 are back, but they are
fragmented because I've been using the "killfile" system that isn't a
killfile system, but it deletes all posts from a given poster. All the
threads that Nyikos participated in are cut up. It looks like Nyikos
should have just been banned. From what I've seen other posters are
responding to posts Nyikos is still posting to me, but they are
responding to the crap that he spreads about other posters in his usual
assoholic posting style. I did not followed Nyikos around TO with a
pooper scooper, but others did it and still do. Nyikos likely never
posted a productive post to me. It was pretty much all his stupid
harassment. It should have never started, and it should have ended
years ago.
a system. As jillery noted elsethread, the headers for your
posts show "User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird", so however
you're accessing Usenet whatever system creates the headers
*thinks* that you're using T'bird or something related to
it.
FWIW, I have Nyikos killfiled, along with several others,
but the Agent's killfile only operates on future posts, not
on prior ones. So I'm afraid you're on your own; good luck.
When I first started using eternal september over a decade ago, I
followed the directions that had me set up mozilla and thunderbird.
That is how it has been from the beginning for me, and I recently
donated to keep it going and got an upgrade, but the upgrade seems to be doing some strange things.
Last night I was still getting two windows open when I clicked on a post
or thread, but this morning that did not happen, so it may be fixed.
On 10/8/2023 5:07 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 16:03:13 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/8/2023 1:20 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:OK, that's a new one on me; I have zero experience with such
On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 12:02:35 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/8/2023 10:15 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:I wasn't clear; I meant the reference to Gurgle to be an
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 12:41:40 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 10:30 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:Interesting. I use ES now (I used to use Supernews), but via
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 09:22:21 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 2:59 AM, jillery wrote:Usenet works in mysterious ways, its wonders to perform.
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my herohttps://www.science.org/content/article/new-footprint-dates-bolster-claim-human-arrival-americas-during-ice-age
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
RonO wrote:
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the
fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans
were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the
glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some
time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia
and the Americas at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4650307.stm
The good Doctor posted that one... 18 years ago.
Still, for you that's fast. Way to catch up here, speedy! >>>>>>>>>>>
...and for now let's ignore the fact that you "Cite" has >>>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with footprints.
From the cited article:
***************************
Dr Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University and her >>>>>>>>>> colleagues found the footprints in the quarry, some 130km (80 miles) >>>>>>>>>> south-east of Mexico City, in 2003. But they have only finished dating
them this year.
****************************
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge >>>>>>>>>>
This is the link that I wanted to post. I do not know how the cichlid
link got pasted in since I hadn't gone to phys.org that day, and I had
the science article up in my browser and took the link from there. I >>>>>>>>> had posted the cichlid phys.org article as one of two links for a TO >>>>>>>>> post several days before. It must have been something screwy about the
eternal september copy and paste buffers.
It may be due to the new feature of eternal september. It is
irritating. When you click on a thread or post eternal september opens >>>>>>> a copy and it goes to a bar across the top of the window, but the post >>>>>>> that gets opened only has the first part of the post, and you can't >>>>>>> access the rest of the post from that window. I just reduce them and >>>>>>> let them build up along the bar. This bar fills up with useless >>>>>>> windows, and I cleared them before starting that last post. Sometimes >>>>>>> when you are trying to delete the bit on the bar the window will expand >>>>>>> to full screen. It is a really annoying feature, but I probably did >>>>>>> access a cichlid post in that mess as I was cleaning it up before >>>>>>> writing that post.
Agent as a news client, so I don't see any of that. Can I
assume you use ES "directly", the way GurgleGropes works?
As far as I know the version of eternal september that I have is
independent of google groups and google. I made the mistake of donating >>>>> money to eternal september and got an upgrade that wiped out the TO
groups threads and posts that I had back to 2010. It was all treed
unlike google, and it used to be easier to look up older posts.
I also get two windows opened every time I click on a thread or post. >>>>> As I said one window has only a partial copy of the post and is
basically useless.
example of accessing newsgroups on the Web, rather than via
a newsreader like Agent. From your post and from the headers
it looks like you use a browser to access ES, and read posts
directly on ES (something I wasn't aware was available). Is
that correct? If it is, and if you can install software on
the machine you use, there are free news clients such as
Free Agent available that could solve the problem you have,
since threads are stored locally. I have access to the first
posts I made on this system, back in 2005. And I can copy
and store locally any post, mine or other.
I just checked and the posts back to 2010 are back, but they are
fragmented because I've been using the "killfile" system that isn't a
killfile system, but it deletes all posts from a given poster. All the
threads that Nyikos participated in are cut up. It looks like Nyikos
should have just been banned. From what I've seen other posters are
responding to posts Nyikos is still posting to me, but they are
responding to the crap that he spreads about other posters in his usual
assoholic posting style. I did not followed Nyikos around TO with a
pooper scooper, but others did it and still do. Nyikos likely never
posted a productive post to me. It was pretty much all his stupid
harassment. It should have never started, and it should have ended
years ago.
a system. As jillery noted elsethread, the headers for your
posts show "User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird", so however
you're accessing Usenet whatever system creates the headers
*thinks* that you're using T'bird or something related to
it.
FWIW, I have Nyikos killfiled, along with several others,
but the Agent's killfile only operates on future posts, not
on prior ones. So I'm afraid you're on your own; good luck.
When I first started using eternal september over a decade ago, I
followed the directions that had me set up mozilla and thunderbird.
That is how it has been from the beginning for me, and I recently
donated to keep it going and got an upgrade, but the upgrade seems to be >doing some strange things.
Last night I was still getting two windows open when I clicked on a post
or thread, but this morning that did not happen, so it may be fixed.
On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 15:51:58 -0500, RonO <rokimoto@cox.net> wrote:
On 10/8/2023 12:16 PM, jillery wrote:
On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 12:02:35 -0500, RonO <rokimoto@cox.net> wrote:
On 10/8/2023 10:15 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 12:41:40 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 10:30 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:Interesting. I use ES now (I used to use Supernews), but via
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 09:22:21 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 2:59 AM, jillery wrote:Usenet works in mysterious ways, its wonders to perform.
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my herohttps://www.science.org/content/article/new-footprint-dates-bolster-claim-human-arrival-americas-during-ice-age
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
RonO wrote:
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the
fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans >>>>>>>>>>> were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the
glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some
time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia
and the Americas at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4650307.stm
The good Doctor posted that one... 18 years ago.
Still, for you that's fast. Way to catch up here, speedy!
...and for now let's ignore the fact that you "Cite" has >>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with footprints.
From the cited article:
***************************
Dr Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University and her >>>>>>>>> colleagues found the footprints in the quarry, some 130km (80 miles) >>>>>>>>> south-east of Mexico City, in 2003. But they have only finished dating
them this year.
****************************
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge >>>>>>>>>
This is the link that I wanted to post. I do not know how the cichlid >>>>>>>> link got pasted in since I hadn't gone to phys.org that day, and I had >>>>>>>> the science article up in my browser and took the link from there. I >>>>>>>> had posted the cichlid phys.org article as one of two links for a TO >>>>>>>> post several days before. It must have been something screwy about the
eternal september copy and paste buffers.
It may be due to the new feature of eternal september. It is
irritating. When you click on a thread or post eternal september opens >>>>>> a copy and it goes to a bar across the top of the window, but the post >>>>>> that gets opened only has the first part of the post, and you can't >>>>>> access the rest of the post from that window. I just reduce them and >>>>>> let them build up along the bar. This bar fills up with useless
windows, and I cleared them before starting that last post. Sometimes >>>>>> when you are trying to delete the bit on the bar the window will expand >>>>>> to full screen. It is a really annoying feature, but I probably did >>>>>> access a cichlid post in that mess as I was cleaning it up before
writing that post.
Agent as a news client, so I don't see any of that. Can I
assume you use ES "directly", the way GurgleGropes works?
As far as I know the version of eternal september that I have is
independent of google groups and google. I made the mistake of donating >>>> money to eternal september and got an upgrade that wiped out the TO
groups threads and posts that I had back to 2010. It was all treed
unlike google, and it used to be easier to look up older posts.
I also get two windows opened every time I click on a thread or post.
As I said one window has only a partial copy of the post and is
basically useless.
Ron Okimoto
Weird. As an E-S user, I have experienced nothing like you describe
above. It sounds to me more like some incompatibility between your
browser and newsreader, neither of which involves E-S. According to
your headers, your newsreader is Mozilla Thunderbird or something
based on that engine.
Eternal september does not come up in my goggle or microsoft browser.
It is an independent window. There is a new mozilla icon that I click
on to open eternal september, but the symbol doesn't come up in the
eternal september window any longer. The update came right after I
started using the killfile message blocker to killfile Nyikos.
I just checked and the threads back to 2010 have returned, but they are
all fragmented because all the Nykosian posts have been deleted. The
post blocking seems to be retroactive to eternity.
Ron Okimoto
Perhaps your newsreader blocks your *viewing* of filtered messages,
but not the downloading of headers. You could test this by temporarily removing the filters to see if the thread fragmentation disappears.
Not sure what you mean by "the symbol". If you're using Windows, you
can right-click on most desktop icons, and then click on "properties".
One of those properties is the "target" executable that Windows runs
when you click on the icon. There's also a box to change the icon
image. Perhaps these will give you the info you need to get it
working like before the update.
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 05:24:03 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/8/2023 5:07 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 16:03:13 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/8/2023 1:20 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 12:02:35 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/8/2023 10:15 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 12:41:40 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 10:30 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 09:22:21 -0500, the following appeared in >>>>>>>> talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 2:59 AM, jillery wrote:
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is my hero >>>>>>>>>> <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
RonO wrote:
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of the >>>>>>>>>>>> fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these humans >>>>>>>>>>>> were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years after the >>>>>>>>>>>> glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North America some >>>>>>>>>>>> time before because there still existed a glacial barrier between Asia >>>>>>>>>>>> and the Americas at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4650307.stm
The good Doctor posted that one... 18 years ago.
Still, for you that's fast. Way to catch up here, speedy!
...and for now let's ignore the fact that you "Cite" has >>>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with footprints.
From the cited article:
***************************
Dr Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University and her >>>>>>>>>> colleagues found the footprints in the quarry, some 130km (80 miles) >>>>>>>>>> south-east of Mexico City, in 2003. But they have only finished dating >>>>>>>>>> them this year.
****************************
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
This is the link that I wanted to post. I do not know how the cichlid >>>>>>>>> link got pasted in since I hadn't gone to phys.org that day, and I had >>>>>>>>> the science article up in my browser and took the link from there. I >>>>>>>>> had posted the cichlid phys.org article as one of two links for a TO >>>>>>>>> post several days before. It must have been something screwy about the >>>>>>>>> eternal september copy and paste buffers.
Usenet works in mysterious ways, its wonders to perform.
It may be due to the new feature of eternal september. It is
irritating. When you click on a thread or post eternal september opens >>>>>>> a copy and it goes to a bar across the top of the window, but the post >>>>>>> that gets opened only has the first part of the post, and you can't >>>>>>> access the rest of the post from that window. I just reduce them and >>>>>>> let them build up along the bar. This bar fills up with useless >>>>>>> windows, and I cleared them before starting that last post. Sometimes >>>>>>> when you are trying to delete the bit on the bar the window will expand >>>>>>> to full screen. It is a really annoying feature, but I probably did >>>>>>> access a cichlid post in that mess as I was cleaning it up before >>>>>>> writing that post.
Interesting. I use ES now (I used to use Supernews), but via
Agent as a news client, so I don't see any of that. Can I
assume you use ES "directly", the way GurgleGropes works?
As far as I know the version of eternal september that I have is
independent of google groups and google. I made the mistake of donating
money to eternal september and got an upgrade that wiped out the TO >>>>> groups threads and posts that I had back to 2010. It was all treed >>>>> unlike google, and it used to be easier to look up older posts.
I also get two windows opened every time I click on a thread or post. >>>>> As I said one window has only a partial copy of the post and is
basically useless.
I wasn't clear; I meant the reference to Gurgle to be an
example of accessing newsgroups on the Web, rather than via
a newsreader like Agent. From your post and from the headers
it looks like you use a browser to access ES, and read posts
directly on ES (something I wasn't aware was available). Is
that correct? If it is, and if you can install software on
the machine you use, there are free news clients such as
Free Agent available that could solve the problem you have,
since threads are stored locally. I have access to the first
posts I made on this system, back in 2005. And I can copy
and store locally any post, mine or other.
I just checked and the posts back to 2010 are back, but they are
fragmented because I've been using the "killfile" system that isn't a
killfile system, but it deletes all posts from a given poster. All the >>> threads that Nyikos participated in are cut up. It looks like Nyikos
should have just been banned. From what I've seen other posters are
responding to posts Nyikos is still posting to me, but they are
responding to the crap that he spreads about other posters in his usual >>> assoholic posting style. I did not followed Nyikos around TO with a
pooper scooper, but others did it and still do. Nyikos likely never
posted a productive post to me. It was pretty much all his stupid
harassment. It should have never started, and it should have ended
years ago.
OK, that's a new one on me; I have zero experience with such
a system. As jillery noted elsethread, the headers for your
posts show "User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird", so however
you're accessing Usenet whatever system creates the headers
thinks that you're using T'bird or something related to
it.
FWIW, I have Nyikos killfiled, along with several others,
but the Agent's killfile only operates on future posts, not
on prior ones. So I'm afraid you're on your own; good luck.
When I first started using eternal september over a decade ago, I
followed the directions that had me set up mozilla and thunderbird.
That is how it has been from the beginning for me, and I recently
donated to keep it going and got an upgrade, but the upgrade seems to be doing some strange things.
Last night I was still getting two windows open when I clicked on a post
or thread, but this morning that did not happen, so it may be fixed.
That would be good; hope it works for you now.
I'm using Giganews and none of Ron's posts are showing up.
As a matter of fact very few TO posts are showing up. I deleted
and reloaded Giganews and that did not change.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:42:52 +0000, "Dexter" <not@home.com> wrote:
I'm using Giganews and none of Ron's posts are showing up.
As a matter of fact very few TO posts are showing up. I deleted
and reloaded Giganews and that did not change.
Posting a query to-------------------------------------
<https://support.giganews.com/hc/en-us/requests/new/>
might lead to a solution.
On 10/6/2023 7:51 PM, RonO wrote:
https://phys.org/news/2023-09-explosion-fish-biodiversity-due-genetic.html >>https://www.science.org/content/article/new-footprint-dates-bolster-claim-human-arrival-americas-during-ice-age
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of
the fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these
humans were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years
after the glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North
America some time before because there still existed a glacial barrier
between Asia and the Americas at that time.
Between warm and cold periods there has been a passage between Asia
and America from time to time. Bison came over around 400,000 years
ago (3 ice ages ago) and other animals like camels, moose and horses
have crossed over one direction or the other. Neanderthals,
Denisovans or even Homo erectus may have been able to cross over
during certain times in the past. They could have just followed the
animals that they ate.
We do not seem to have the genetic evidence that these first migrants
interbred with what came over in the last wave within the last 15,000
years. The recent migrants would have had to do a better job at
eliminating the resident population than the agriculturalists managed
to do to the hunter gatherers in Europe. Maybe the early migrants
didn't survive much past 21,000 years ago. They may have made it over
during the previous warm interval, and may have lived in the Americas
for 100,000 years, but they never seemed to be very successful. Maybe
something like a small family group were the only ones to make it over
and by 21,000 years ago they may have been as much of an inbred mess
as the last surviving Wrangel Island mammoth.
Ron Okimoto
I do not know how the wrong link got pasted in since I posted about the cichlids several days before, and I had the Science article up in my browser. I hadn't even gone to Phys.org that day. It must have been something weird about eternal september memory buffer.
Ron Okimoto
On 10/7/2023 9:16 AM, RonO wrote:I'm not sure where I saw it, but there was speculation that
On 10/6/2023 7:51 PM, RonO wrote:
https://phys.org/news/2023-09-explosion-fish-biodiversity-due-genetic.html >>>
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of
the fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these
humans were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years
after the glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North
America some time before because there still existed a glacial barrier
between Asia and the Americas at that time.
--Between warm and cold periods there has been a passage between Asiahttps://www.science.org/content/article/new-footprint-dates-bolster-claim-human-arrival-americas-during-ice-age
and America from time to time. Bison came over around 400,000 years
ago (3 ice ages ago) and other animals like camels, moose and horses
have crossed over one direction or the other. Neanderthals,
Denisovans or even Homo erectus may have been able to cross over
during certain times in the past. They could have just followed the
animals that they ate.
We do not seem to have the genetic evidence that these first migrants
interbred with what came over in the last wave within the last 15,000
years. The recent migrants would have had to do a better job at
eliminating the resident population than the agriculturalists managed
to do to the hunter gatherers in Europe. Maybe the early migrants
didn't survive much past 21,000 years ago. They may have made it over
during the previous warm interval, and may have lived in the Americas
for 100,000 years, but they never seemed to be very successful. Maybe
something like a small family group were the only ones to make it over
and by 21,000 years ago they may have been as much of an inbred mess
as the last surviving Wrangel Island mammoth.
Ron Okimoto
I do not know how the wrong link got pasted in since I posted about the
cichlids several days before, and I had the Science article up in my
browser. I hadn't even gone to Phys.org that day. It must have been
something weird about eternal september memory buffer.
Ron Okimoto
The confirmed dating does present the possibility that since Homo was in >North America 21,000 years ago that they may have existed in the
Americas for a very long time before that. They indicate that no one
knows if they could have crossed into the Americas at that time because
the ice sheets had not started their major regression. If Homo had
gotten across the previous warm interval they would not have been modern >humans. Neanderthals, Denisovans, and Homo erectus may be candidates
for an earlier migration. No evidence that these early humans interbred
with the Asians that came over within the last 15,000 years. The news >article notes that archeologists need to start looking at sediments
deposited during the last ice age.
Ron Okimoto
On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 12:04:34 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 9:16 AM, RonO wrote:I'm not sure where I saw it, but there was speculation that
On 10/6/2023 7:51 PM, RonO wrote:
https://phys.org/news/2023-09-explosion-fish-biodiversity-due-genetic.html >>>>
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of
the fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these
humans were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years
after the glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North
America some time before because there still existed a glacial barrier >>>> between Asia and the Americas at that time.
they migrated along the coast, not overland, and would have
been able to do so even at the glacial max; presumably they
could have subsisted on fish and other sea life. The
original Australians arrived by water ~50ky ago, and while
there was no glaciation to deal with there was no land
connection to Oz either. I suppose that now that the
"late-arrival-only" proponents have to accept the new
reality we'll see more research into this. Neat stuff.
Between warm and cold periods there has been a passage between Asiahttps://www.science.org/content/article/new-footprint-dates-bolster-claim-human-arrival-americas-during-ice-age
and America from time to time. Bison came over around 400,000 years
ago (3 ice ages ago) and other animals like camels, moose and horses
have crossed over one direction or the other. Neanderthals,
Denisovans or even Homo erectus may have been able to cross over
during certain times in the past. They could have just followed the
animals that they ate.
We do not seem to have the genetic evidence that these first migrants
interbred with what came over in the last wave within the last 15,000
years. The recent migrants would have had to do a better job at
eliminating the resident population than the agriculturalists managed
to do to the hunter gatherers in Europe. Maybe the early migrants
didn't survive much past 21,000 years ago. They may have made it over >>>> during the previous warm interval, and may have lived in the Americas
for 100,000 years, but they never seemed to be very successful. Maybe >>>> something like a small family group were the only ones to make it over >>>> and by 21,000 years ago they may have been as much of an inbred mess
as the last surviving Wrangel Island mammoth.
Ron Okimoto
I do not know how the wrong link got pasted in since I posted about the
cichlids several days before, and I had the Science article up in my
browser. I hadn't even gone to Phys.org that day. It must have been
something weird about eternal september memory buffer.
Ron Okimoto
The confirmed dating does present the possibility that since Homo was in
North America 21,000 years ago that they may have existed in the
Americas for a very long time before that. They indicate that no one
knows if they could have crossed into the Americas at that time because
the ice sheets had not started their major regression. If Homo had
gotten across the previous warm interval they would not have been modern
humans. Neanderthals, Denisovans, and Homo erectus may be candidates
for an earlier migration. No evidence that these early humans interbred
with the Asians that came over within the last 15,000 years. The news
article notes that archeologists need to start looking at sediments
deposited during the last ice age.
Ron Okimoto
On 10/15/2023 1:38 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 12:04:34 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
On 10/7/2023 9:16 AM, RonO wrote:I'm not sure where I saw it, but there was speculation that
On 10/6/2023 7:51 PM, RonO wrote:
https://phys.org/news/2023-09-explosion-fish-biodiversity-due-genetic.html
They claim to have confirmed the 21,000 year estimate for the age of >>>>> the fossil foot prints. The additional claim is that since these
humans were present in North America 21,000 years ago (4,000 years
after the glacial maximum) that they must have migrated into North
America some time before because there still existed a glacial barrier >>>>> between Asia and the Americas at that time.
they migrated along the coast, not overland, and would have
been able to do so even at the glacial max; presumably they
could have subsisted on fish and other sea life. The
original Australians arrived by water ~50ky ago, and while
there was no glaciation to deal with there was no land
connection to Oz either. I suppose that now that the
"late-arrival-only" proponents have to accept the new
reality we'll see more research into this. Neat stuff.
From what I recall, there was not a coastline until enough sea ice
melted. They could have traveled over the ice like the Inuits in more
recent times, but when was that technology developed? The land bridge >supposedly opened up during the glacial recession, and there was a
period of time when enough ice had melted to form the gap before sea
levels rose too high.
--
Between warm and cold periods there has been a passage between Asiahttps://www.science.org/content/article/new-footprint-dates-bolster-claim-human-arrival-americas-during-ice-age
and America from time to time. Bison came over around 400,000 years >>>>> ago (3 ice ages ago) and other animals like camels, moose and horses >>>>> have crossed over one direction or the other. Neanderthals,
Denisovans or even Homo erectus may have been able to cross over
during certain times in the past. They could have just followed the >>>>> animals that they ate.
We do not seem to have the genetic evidence that these first migrants >>>>> interbred with what came over in the last wave within the last 15,000 >>>>> years. The recent migrants would have had to do a better job at
eliminating the resident population than the agriculturalists managed >>>>> to do to the hunter gatherers in Europe. Maybe the early migrants
didn't survive much past 21,000 years ago. They may have made it over >>>>> during the previous warm interval, and may have lived in the Americas >>>>> for 100,000 years, but they never seemed to be very successful. Maybe >>>>> something like a small family group were the only ones to make it over >>>>> and by 21,000 years ago they may have been as much of an inbred mess >>>>> as the last surviving Wrangel Island mammoth.
Ron Okimoto
I do not know how the wrong link got pasted in since I posted about the >>>> cichlids several days before, and I had the Science article up in my
browser. I hadn't even gone to Phys.org that day. It must have been
something weird about eternal september memory buffer.
Ron Okimoto
The confirmed dating does present the possibility that since Homo was in >>> North America 21,000 years ago that they may have existed in the
Americas for a very long time before that. They indicate that no one
knows if they could have crossed into the Americas at that time because
the ice sheets had not started their major regression. If Homo had
gotten across the previous warm interval they would not have been modern >>> humans. Neanderthals, Denisovans, and Homo erectus may be candidates
for an earlier migration. No evidence that these early humans interbred >>> with the Asians that came over within the last 15,000 years. The news
article notes that archeologists need to start looking at sediments
deposited during the last ice age.
Ron Okimoto
From what I recall, there was not a coastline until enough sea ice
melted. They could have traveled over the ice like the Inuits in more
recent times, but when was that technology developed?
The confirmed dating does present the possibility that since Homo was in North America 21,000 years ago that they may have existed in the
Americas for a very long time before that.
They indicate that no one
knows if they could have crossed into the Americas at that time because
the ice sheets had not started their major regression.
No evidence that these early humans interbred
with the Asians that came over within the last 15,000 years.
Yep, the Beringia hypothesis (theory?) has enough evidence
in support (AFAIK) to be the dominant contender for how
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