• ATTN E-S users

    From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 14 12:36:22 2023
    By comparing messages from a different server, I have recently
    identified over a dozen messages since Oct 4. which were not
    propagated by E-S. I neither checked for nor discerned a pattern to
    those dropped posts.

    As E-S is the only free Usenet server I know which is still in
    operation, this should be a concern to some T.O. readers. Those who
    choose to be willfully blind can ignore this post also.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 14 17:01:31 2023
    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:36:22 -0400, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

    By comparing messages from a different server, I have recently
    identified over a dozen messages since Oct 4. which were not
    propagated by E-S. I neither checked for nor discerned a pattern to
    those dropped posts.

    As E-S is the only free Usenet server I know which is still in
    operation, this should be a concern to some T.O. readers. Those who
    choose to be willfully blind can ignore this post also.

    Thanks for the info. I'm not sure what the last sentence is
    supposed to mean, but not being "willfully blind" I suppose
    I don't have to.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From DB Cates@21:1/5 to Bob Casanova on Sat Oct 14 20:41:17 2023
    On 2023-10-14 7:01 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:36:22 -0400, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

    By comparing messages from a different server, I have recently
    identified over a dozen messages since Oct 4. which were not
    propagated by E-S. I neither checked for nor discerned a pattern to
    those dropped posts.

    As E-S is the only free Usenet server I know which is still in
    operation, this should be a concern to some T.O. readers. Those who
    choose to be willfully blind can ignore this post also.

    Thanks for the info. I'm not sure what the last sentence is
    supposed to mean, but not being "willfully blind" I suppose
    I don't have to.

    I'm using both E-S and Solani. Both work fine.
    --
    --
    Don Cates ("he's a cunning rascal" PN)

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 15 00:47:42 2023
    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 20:41:17 -0500, DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    I'm using both E-S and Solani. Both work fine.


    I totally forgot about Solani. Thank you for pointing it out.

    Some usenet readers are configurable to use multiple servers, and to automatically search through them all. If that's your case, it's
    unlikely you would see dropped posts from one or the other. Also,
    since you don't post very often, it's unlikely you would have noticed
    dropped posts even if you did miss any.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Athel Cornish-Bowden@21:1/5 to Bob Casanova on Sun Oct 15 10:24:29 2023
    On 2023-10-15 00:01:31 +0000, Bob Casanova said:

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:36:22 -0400, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

    By comparing messages from a different server, I have recently
    identified over a dozen messages since Oct 4. which were not
    propagated by E-S. I neither checked for nor discerned a pattern to
    those dropped posts.

    As E-S is the only free Usenet server I know which is still in
    operation, this should be a concern to some T.O. readers. Those who
    choose to be willfully blind can ignore this post also.

    Thanks for the info. I'm not sure what the last sentence is
    supposed to mean, but not being "willfully blind" I suppose
    I don't have to.

    I think most of us can afford the 5.5c per day that News.Individual.net
    ("the German server") costs me.


    --
    Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
    in England until 1987.

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  • From Martin Harran@21:1/5 to athel.cb@gmail.com on Sun Oct 15 14:35:17 2023
    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 10:24:29 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden
    <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 2023-10-15 00:01:31 +0000, Bob Casanova said:

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:36:22 -0400, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

    By comparing messages from a different server, I have recently
    identified over a dozen messages since Oct 4. which were not
    propagated by E-S. I neither checked for nor discerned a pattern to
    those dropped posts.

    As E-S is the only free Usenet server I know which is still in
    operation, this should be a concern to some T.O. readers. Those who
    choose to be willfully blind can ignore this post also.

    Thanks for the info. I'm not sure what the last sentence is
    supposed to mean, but not being "willfully blind" I suppose
    I don't have to.

    I think most of us can afford the 5.5c per day that News.Individual.net
    ("the German server") costs me.

    I have been using NIN for years and it is excellent - except for TO
    where I have found it to be very erratic in posting :-(

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 15 10:55:23 2023
    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 00:47:42 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 20:41:17 -0500, DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    I'm using both E-S and Solani. Both work fine.


    I totally forgot about Solani. Thank you for pointing it out.

    Some usenet readers are configurable to use multiple servers, and to >automatically search through them all. If that's your case, it's
    unlikely you would see dropped posts from one or the other. Also,
    since you don't post very often, it's unlikely you would have noticed
    dropped posts even if you did miss any.


    Here's the latest post which did not appear on E-S:

    <0aa38883-900b-4681-9ac6-22ef94b9129an@googlegroups.com>

    <https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/JKnUO3rwKo4/m/GKwxgo48BQAJ>

    Check to see if your newsreader got it.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 15 11:10:32 2023
    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:36:22 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    By comparing messages from a different server, I have recently
    identified over a dozen messages since Oct 4. which were not
    propagated by E-S. I neither checked for nor discerned a pattern to
    those dropped posts.

    As E-S is the only free Usenet server I know which is still in
    operation, this should be a concern to some T.O. readers. Those who
    choose to be willfully blind can ignore this post also.


    Since I posted the above, E-S has failed to propagate five more posts.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Don Cates@21:1/5 to jillery on Sun Oct 15 10:35:56 2023
    On 2023-10-15 9:55 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 00:47:42 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 20:41:17 -0500, DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    I'm using both E-S and Solani. Both work fine.


    I totally forgot about Solani. Thank you for pointing it out.

    Some usenet readers are configurable to use multiple servers, and to
    automatically search through them all. If that's your case, it's
    unlikely you would see dropped posts from one or the other. Also,
    since you don't post very often, it's unlikely you would have noticed
    dropped posts even if you did miss any.


    Here's the latest post which did not appear on E-S:

    <0aa38883-900b-4681-9ac6-22ef94b9129an@googlegroups.com>

    <https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/JKnUO3rwKo4/m/GKwxgo48BQAJ>

    Check to see if your newsreader got it.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    I was a long time E-S user but during a serious outage I switched to
    Solani and decided to switch permanently and transfered all my filters
    and other preferences from E-S. For some reason (I don't remember
    exactly what) I decided to check back in with E-S and reestablished its presence in Thunderbird. I still use Solani with all its settings as my
    primary feed but keep E-S with no filtering automatically keeping a
    month's worth of headers available should i become aware of some posts
    that I might be interested in that were filtered out in Solani.

    The post you reference above was in my Solani feed but did not show up
    in E-S.
    --
    --
    Don Cates ("he's a cunning rascal" PN)

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 15 09:24:17 2023
    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 10:24:29 +0200, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by Athel Cornish-Bowden
    <athel.cb@gmail.com>:

    On 2023-10-15 00:01:31 +0000, Bob Casanova said:

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:36:22 -0400, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

    By comparing messages from a different server, I have recently
    identified over a dozen messages since Oct 4. which were not
    propagated by E-S. I neither checked for nor discerned a pattern to
    those dropped posts.

    As E-S is the only free Usenet server I know which is still in
    operation, this should be a concern to some T.O. readers. Those who
    choose to be willfully blind can ignore this post also.

    Thanks for the info. I'm not sure what the last sentence is
    supposed to mean, but not being "willfully blind" I suppose
    I don't have to.

    I think most of us can afford the 5.5c per day that News.Individual.net
    ("the German server") costs me.

    Sure; I used Supernews (~$60/year) until a few months ago.
    Now I use ES, and it's been working fine for me; no
    indication of the problems others have seen lately.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 15 12:38:46 2023
    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 10:35:56 -0500, Don Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 2023-10-15 9:55 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 00:47:42 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 20:41:17 -0500, DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    I'm using both E-S and Solani. Both work fine.


    I totally forgot about Solani. Thank you for pointing it out.

    Some usenet readers are configurable to use multiple servers, and to
    automatically search through them all. If that's your case, it's
    unlikely you would see dropped posts from one or the other. Also,
    since you don't post very often, it's unlikely you would have noticed
    dropped posts even if you did miss any.


    Here's the latest post which did not appear on E-S:

    <0aa38883-900b-4681-9ac6-22ef94b9129an@googlegroups.com>

    <https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/JKnUO3rwKo4/m/GKwxgo48BQAJ>

    Check to see if your newsreader got it.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    I was a long time E-S user but during a serious outage I switched to
    Solani and decided to switch permanently and transfered all my filters
    and other preferences from E-S. For some reason (I don't remember
    exactly what) I decided to check back in with E-S and reestablished its >presence in Thunderbird. I still use Solani with all its settings as my >primary feed but keep E-S with no filtering automatically keeping a
    month's worth of headers available should i become aware of some posts
    that I might be interested in that were filtered out in Solani.

    The post you reference above was in my Solani feed but did not show up
    in E-S.


    That's good to know. Thank you.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ray Banana@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 15 20:07:38 2023
    Thus spake jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:36:22 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    By comparing messages from a different server, I have recently
    identified over a dozen messages since Oct 4. which were not
    propagated by E-S. I neither checked for nor discerned a pattern to
    those dropped posts.

    Eternal-September and other servers have started scanning all postings originating from Google Groups for spam due to a massive (~20.000
    articles/day) flood from Google Groups.

    In addition, the mail headers contained in articles to moderated groups
    have a certain "spammieness" about them which caused the articles to be rejected by SpamAssassin.

    I have adjusted the spam filter to ignore articles that have been
    approved by a moderator, as it's the moderators' responsibility to
    reject spam.

    --
    Пу́тін — хуйло́
    http://www.eternal-september.org

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  • From Don Cates@21:1/5 to jillery on Sun Oct 15 12:41:47 2023
    On 2023-10-15 9:55 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 00:47:42 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 20:41:17 -0500, DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    I'm using both E-S and Solani. Both work fine.


    I totally forgot about Solani. Thank you for pointing it out.

    Some usenet readers are configurable to use multiple servers, and to
    automatically search through them all. If that's your case, it's
    unlikely you would see dropped posts from one or the other. Also,
    since you don't post very often, it's unlikely you would have noticed
    dropped posts even if you did miss any.


    Here's the latest post which did not appear on E-S:

    <0aa38883-900b-4681-9ac6-22ef94b9129an@googlegroups.com>

    <https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/JKnUO3rwKo4/m/GKwxgo48BQAJ>

    Check to see if your newsreader got it.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    I was a long time E-S user but during a serious outage I switched to
    Solani and decided to switch permanently and transfered all my filters
    and other preferences from E-S. For some reason (I don't remember
    exactly what) I decided to check back in with E-S and reestablished its presence in Thunderbird. I still use Solani with all its settings as my
    primary feed but keep E-S with no filtering automatically keeping a
    month's worth of headers available should i become aware of some posts
    that I might be interested in that were filtered out in Solani
    --
    --
    Don Cates ("he's a cunning rascal" PN)

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  • From Athel Cornish-Bowden@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 15 20:27:45 2023
    On 2023-10-15 18:07:38 +0000, Ray Banana said:

    Пу́тін — хуйло́

    I had guessed that that was Ukrainian or Byelorussian, but Google
    Translate tells me that it's Kazakh. That surprised me, because I'd
    expect Kazakh to be more Turkish-looking.

    Anyway, no diagreement with the sentiment: Putin is a jerk

    --
    athel cb : Biochemical Evolution, Garland Science, 2016

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 15 11:41:07 2023
    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 20:07:38 +0200, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by Ray Banana
    <rayban@raybanana.net>:

    Thus spake jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:36:22 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    By comparing messages from a different server, I have recently
    identified over a dozen messages since Oct 4. which were not
    propagated by E-S. I neither checked for nor discerned a pattern to >>>those dropped posts.

    Eternal-September and other servers have started scanning all postings >originating from Google Groups for spam due to a massive (~20.000 >articles/day) flood from Google Groups.

    In addition, the mail headers contained in articles to moderated groups
    have a certain "spammieness" about them which caused the articles to be >rejected by SpamAssassin.

    I have adjusted the spam filter to ignore articles that have been
    approved by a moderator, as it's the moderators' responsibility to
    reject spam.

    Thanks for the update.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From Athel Cornish-Bowden@21:1/5 to Athel Cornish-Bowden on Sun Oct 15 21:56:36 2023
    On 2023-10-15 18:27:45 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden said:

    On 2023-10-15 18:07:38 +0000, Ray Banana said:

    Пу́тін — хуйло́

    I had guessed that that was Ukrainian or Byelorussian, but Google
    Translate tells me that it's Kazakh. That surprised me, because I'd
    expect Kazakh to be more Turkish-looking.

    Anyway, no diagreement with the sentiment: Putin is a jerk

    Looking further, although Google Transate likes Kazakh best (Putin is a
    jerk), it also accepts Ukrainian and Belarusian (both: Putin is a
    scumbag), Russian (Putin is a dick), Uzbek (Putin is an image -- a bit
    weird, that one), Turkmen and Uyghur (Putin is a hypocrite).


    --
    athel cb : Biochemical Evolution, Garland Science, 2016

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  • From Robert Carnegie@21:1/5 to Bob Casanova on Sun Oct 15 20:00:27 2023
    On Sunday, 15 October 2023 at 19:46:09 UTC+1, Bob Casanova wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 20:07:38 +0200, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by Ray Banana
    <ray...@raybanana.net>:
    Thus spake jillery <69jp...@gmail.com>

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:36:22 -0400, jillery <69jp...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    By comparing messages from a different server, I have recently >>>identified over a dozen messages since Oct 4. which were not
    propagated by E-S. I neither checked for nor discerned a pattern to >>>those dropped posts.

    Eternal-September and other servers have started scanning all postings >originating from Google Groups for spam due to a massive (~20.000 >articles/day) flood from Google Groups.

    In addition, the mail headers contained in articles to moderated groups >have a certain "spammieness" about them which caused the articles to be >rejected by SpamAssassin.

    I have adjusted the spam filter to ignore articles that have been
    approved by a moderator, as it's the moderators' responsibility to
    reject spam.

    Thanks for the update.

    And thank you for your work. We should say,
    however, that talk.origins moderation is quite
    permissive. I'm not speaking on behalf of it.

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 16 12:01:45 2023
    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 11:41:07 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 20:07:38 +0200, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by Ray Banana
    <rayban@raybanana.net>:

    Thus spake jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:36:22 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    By comparing messages from a different server, I have recently >>>>identified over a dozen messages since Oct 4. which were not
    propagated by E-S. I neither checked for nor discerned a pattern to >>>>those dropped posts.

    Eternal-September and other servers have started scanning all postings >>originating from Google Groups for spam due to a massive (~20.000 >>articles/day) flood from Google Groups.

    In addition, the mail headers contained in articles to moderated groups >>have a certain "spammieness" about them which caused the articles to be >>rejected by SpamAssassin.

    I have adjusted the spam filter to ignore articles that have been
    approved by a moderator, as it's the moderators' responsibility to
    reject spam.

    Thanks for the update.


    Failing to notice missing posts is an effect of willful blindness.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 16 11:46:28 2023
    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 20:07:38 +0200, Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net>
    wrote:

    Thus spake jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:36:22 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    By comparing messages from a different server, I have recently
    identified over a dozen messages since Oct 4. which were not
    propagated by E-S. I neither checked for nor discerned a pattern to >>>those dropped posts.

    Eternal-September and other servers have started scanning all postings >originating from Google Groups for spam due to a massive (~20.000 >articles/day) flood from Google Groups.

    In addition, the mail headers contained in articles to moderated groups
    have a certain "spammieness" about them which caused the articles to be >rejected by SpamAssassin.

    I have adjusted the spam filter to ignore articles that have been
    approved by a moderator, as it's the moderators' responsibility to
    reject spam.


    That's good to know. Thank you for posting this.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 16 16:36:19 2023
    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 12:01:45 -0400, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 11:41:07 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 20:07:38 +0200, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by Ray Banana
    <rayban@raybanana.net>:

    Thus spake jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:36:22 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    By comparing messages from a different server, I have recently >>>>>identified over a dozen messages since Oct 4. which were not >>>>>propagated by E-S. I neither checked for nor discerned a pattern to >>>>>those dropped posts.

    Eternal-September and other servers have started scanning all postings >>>originating from Google Groups for spam due to a massive (~20.000 >>>articles/day) flood from Google Groups.

    In addition, the mail headers contained in articles to moderated groups >>>have a certain "spammieness" about them which caused the articles to be >>>rejected by SpamAssassin.

    I have adjusted the spam filter to ignore articles that have been >>>approved by a moderator, as it's the moderators' responsibility to
    reject spam.

    Thanks for the update.


    Failing to notice missing posts is an effect of willful blindness.

    All that from "Thanks for the update".

    Anyway, that's your opinion; I disagree. And no, I'm not
    interested in discussing it.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 17 01:21:58 2023
    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 16:36:19 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 12:01:45 -0400, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 11:41:07 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 20:07:38 +0200, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by Ray Banana
    <rayban@raybanana.net>:

    Thus spake jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:36:22 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    By comparing messages from a different server, I have recently >>>>>>identified over a dozen messages since Oct 4. which were not >>>>>>propagated by E-S. I neither checked for nor discerned a pattern to >>>>>>those dropped posts.

    Eternal-September and other servers have started scanning all postings >>>>originating from Google Groups for spam due to a massive (~20.000 >>>>articles/day) flood from Google Groups.

    In addition, the mail headers contained in articles to moderated groups >>>>have a certain "spammieness" about them which caused the articles to be >>>>rejected by SpamAssassin.

    I have adjusted the spam filter to ignore articles that have been >>>>approved by a moderator, as it's the moderators' responsibility to >>>>reject spam.

    Thanks for the update.


    Failing to notice missing posts is an effect of willful blindness.

    All that from "Thanks for the update".


    All what? One single sentence? You're still exercising your inner
    troll here. Give it a rest.


    Anyway, that's your opinion; I disagree. And no, I'm not
    interested in discussing it.


    So stop trolling already. Not sure how even you *still* can't figure
    that out.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

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  • From Martin Harran@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 17 09:12:39 2023
    In the Seeing What You Don't See category:

    Failing to notice missing posts is an effect of willful blindness.

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to martinharran@gmail.com on Tue Oct 17 08:45:43 2023
    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 09:12:39 +0100, Martin Harran
    <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:

    In the Seeing What You Don't See category:

    Failing to notice missing posts is an effect of willful blindness.


    Harran loves shows how he cowardly hides behind his killfiles, to post
    about things he willfully knows nothing about. I bet 100 Quatloos
    Isaak will approve this Chez Watt too.


    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 17 08:11:33 2023
    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 01:21:58 -0400, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 16:36:19 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 12:01:45 -0400, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 11:41:07 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 20:07:38 +0200, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by Ray Banana
    <rayban@raybanana.net>:

    Thus spake jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:36:22 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    By comparing messages from a different server, I have recently >>>>>>>identified over a dozen messages since Oct 4. which were not >>>>>>>propagated by E-S. I neither checked for nor discerned a pattern to >>>>>>>those dropped posts.

    Eternal-September and other servers have started scanning all postings >>>>>originating from Google Groups for spam due to a massive (~20.000 >>>>>articles/day) flood from Google Groups.

    In addition, the mail headers contained in articles to moderated groups >>>>>have a certain "spammieness" about them which caused the articles to be >>>>>rejected by SpamAssassin.

    I have adjusted the spam filter to ignore articles that have been >>>>>approved by a moderator, as it's the moderators' responsibility to >>>>>reject spam.

    Thanks for the update.


    Failing to notice missing posts is an effect of willful blindness.

    All that from "Thanks for the update".


    All what? One single sentence? You're still exercising your inner
    troll here. Give it a rest.


    Anyway, that's your opinion; I disagree. And no, I'm not
    interested in discussing it.


    So stop trolling already. Not sure how even you *still* can't figure
    that out.

    Says the person who replied to a statement of thanks to
    another with an irrelevant comment about "willful
    blindness", a la JTEM the Idiot. Go look in the mirror,
    troll.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 17 12:09:45 2023
    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:45:43 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    <correction>

    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 09:12:39 +0100, Martin Harran
    <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:

    In the Seeing What You Don't See category:

    Failing to notice missing posts is an effect of willful blindness.


    Harran loves [to show] how he cowardly hides behind his killfiles, to post >about things he willfully knows nothing about. I bet 100 Quatloos
    Isaak will approve this Chez Watt too.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 17 12:14:35 2023
    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:11:33 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 01:21:58 -0400, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 16:36:19 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 12:01:45 -0400, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 11:41:07 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> >>>>wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 20:07:38 +0200, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by Ray Banana
    <rayban@raybanana.net>:

    Thus spake jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:36:22 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    By comparing messages from a different server, I have recently >>>>>>>>identified over a dozen messages since Oct 4. which were not >>>>>>>>propagated by E-S. I neither checked for nor discerned a pattern to >>>>>>>>those dropped posts.

    Eternal-September and other servers have started scanning all postings >>>>>>originating from Google Groups for spam due to a massive (~20.000 >>>>>>articles/day) flood from Google Groups.

    In addition, the mail headers contained in articles to moderated groups >>>>>>have a certain "spammieness" about them which caused the articles to be >>>>>>rejected by SpamAssassin.

    I have adjusted the spam filter to ignore articles that have been >>>>>>approved by a moderator, as it's the moderators' responsibility to >>>>>>reject spam.

    Thanks for the update.


    Failing to notice missing posts is an effect of willful blindness.

    All that from "Thanks for the update".


    All what? One single sentence? You're still exercising your inner
    troll here. Give it a rest.


    Anyway, that's your opinion; I disagree. And no, I'm not
    interested in discussing it.


    So stop trolling already. Not sure how even you *still* can't figure
    that out.

    Says the person who replied to a statement of thanks to
    another with an irrelevant comment about "willful
    blindness", a la JTEM the Idiot. Go look in the mirror,
    troll.


    All that, from the troll who said he's "not interested in discussing
    it". That he claimed E-S is "working fine", without even checking
    that they dropped over a dozen posts in the past few days, shows how
    "willful blindness" applies to him. That, and his JTEM-style
    irrelevant and asinine attacks.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 17 09:31:59 2023
    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 12:14:35 -0400, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:11:33 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 01:21:58 -0400, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 16:36:19 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 12:01:45 -0400, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 11:41:07 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> >>>>>wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 20:07:38 +0200, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by Ray Banana
    <rayban@raybanana.net>:

    Thus spake jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:36:22 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    By comparing messages from a different server, I have recently >>>>>>>>>identified over a dozen messages since Oct 4. which were not >>>>>>>>>propagated by E-S. I neither checked for nor discerned a pattern to >>>>>>>>>those dropped posts.

    Eternal-September and other servers have started scanning all postings >>>>>>>originating from Google Groups for spam due to a massive (~20.000 >>>>>>>articles/day) flood from Google Groups.

    In addition, the mail headers contained in articles to moderated groups >>>>>>>have a certain "spammieness" about them which caused the articles to be >>>>>>>rejected by SpamAssassin.

    I have adjusted the spam filter to ignore articles that have been >>>>>>>approved by a moderator, as it's the moderators' responsibility to >>>>>>>reject spam.

    Thanks for the update.


    Failing to notice missing posts is an effect of willful blindness.

    All that from "Thanks for the update".


    All what? One single sentence? You're still exercising your inner
    troll here. Give it a rest.


    Anyway, that's your opinion; I disagree. And no, I'm not
    interested in discussing it.


    So stop trolling already. Not sure how even you *still* can't figure >>>that out.

    Says the person who replied to a statement of thanks to
    another with an irrelevant comment about "willful
    blindness", a la JTEM the Idiot. Go look in the mirror,
    troll.


    All that, from the troll who said he's "not interested in discussing
    it". That he claimed E-S is "working fine", without even checking
    that they dropped over a dozen posts in the past few days, shows how
    "willful blindness" applies to him. That, and his JTEM-style
    irrelevant and asinine attacks.
    "
    Mirror.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 17 12:41:15 2023
    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 09:31:59 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 12:14:35 -0400, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:11:33 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 01:21:58 -0400, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 16:36:19 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> >>>>wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 12:01:45 -0400, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 11:41:07 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> >>>>>>wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 20:07:38 +0200, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by Ray Banana
    <rayban@raybanana.net>:

    Thus spake jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:36:22 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    By comparing messages from a different server, I have recently >>>>>>>>>>identified over a dozen messages since Oct 4. which were not >>>>>>>>>>propagated by E-S. I neither checked for nor discerned a pattern to >>>>>>>>>>those dropped posts.

    Eternal-September and other servers have started scanning all postings >>>>>>>>originating from Google Groups for spam due to a massive (~20.000 >>>>>>>>articles/day) flood from Google Groups.

    In addition, the mail headers contained in articles to moderated groups >>>>>>>>have a certain "spammieness" about them which caused the articles to be >>>>>>>>rejected by SpamAssassin.

    I have adjusted the spam filter to ignore articles that have been >>>>>>>>approved by a moderator, as it's the moderators' responsibility to >>>>>>>>reject spam.

    Thanks for the update.


    Failing to notice missing posts is an effect of willful blindness.

    All that from "Thanks for the update".


    All what? One single sentence? You're still exercising your inner >>>>troll here. Give it a rest.


    Anyway, that's your opinion; I disagree. And no, I'm not
    interested in discussing it.


    So stop trolling already. Not sure how even you *still* can't figure >>>>that out.

    Says the person who replied to a statement of thanks to
    another with an irrelevant comment about "willful
    blindness", a la JTEM the Idiot. Go look in the mirror,
    troll.


    All that, from the troll who said he's "not interested in discussing
    it". That he claimed E-S is "working fine", without even checking
    that they dropped over a dozen posts in the past few days, shows how >>"willful blindness" applies to him. That, and his JTEM-style
    irrelevant and asinine attacks.
    "
    Mirror.


    HAND

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

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  • From peter2nyikos@gmail.com@21:1/5 to jillery on Fri Oct 27 19:10:59 2023
    On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:46:11 AM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 09:12:39 +0100, Martin Harran
    <martin...@gmail.com> wrote:

    In the Seeing What You Don't See category:

    Failing to notice missing posts is an effect of willful blindness.

    Harran loves shows how he cowardly hides behind his killfiles, to post
    about things he willfully knows nothing about. I bet 100 Quatloos
    Isaak will approve this Chez Watt too.

    FWIW, it seems rather innocuous to me. The way I parse it, willful blindness
    is one way that this failure can occur, but it does not mean that there can't be
    other reasons, like the existence of missing posts not having a noticeable effect on the posts that one reads.

    With that backdrop, I think Martin's category is also innocuous, relying on surreal humor without any sign of malice that I can see. I say this even though
    killfiles can indeed be a form of willful blindness.

    I have often written that if some people choose to hide their heads in the sand,
    there is no reason for others to refrain from criticizing them.
    The killfilers are drawing on an instinct learned from childhood
    about "not talking about people behind their backs,"
    but there is a qualifier, "that they won't say to their faces."
    It is precisely this that the people being killfiled cannot do.


    Peter Nyikos

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to peter2nyikos@gmail.com on Sat Oct 28 00:54:11 2023
    On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 19:10:59 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com" <peter2nyikos@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:46:11?AM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 09:12:39 +0100, Martin Harran
    <martin...@gmail.com> wrote:

    In the Seeing What You Don't See category:

    Failing to notice missing posts is an effect of willful blindness.

    Harran loves [to show] how he cowardly hides behind his killfiles, to post >> about things he willfully knows nothing about. I bet 100 Quatloos
    Isaak will approve this Chez Watt too.

    FWIW, it seems rather innocuous to me. The way I parse it, willful blindness >is one way that this failure can occur, but it does not mean that there can't be
    other reasons, like the existence of missing posts not having a noticeable >effect on the posts that one reads.

    With that backdrop, I think Martin's category is also innocuous, relying on >surreal humor without any sign of malice that I can see. I say this even though
    killfiles can indeed be a form of willful blindness.

    I have often written that if some people choose to hide their heads in the sand,
    there is no reason for others to refrain from criticizing them.
    The killfilers are drawing on an instinct learned from childhood
    about "not talking about people behind their backs,"
    but there is a qualifier, "that they won't say to their faces."
    It is precisely this that the people being killfiled cannot do.


    Peter Nyikos

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 30 12:59:04 2023
    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 11:46:28 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 20:07:38 +0200, Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net>
    wrote:

    Thus spake jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:36:22 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    By comparing messages from a different server, I have recently >>>>identified over a dozen messages since Oct 4. which were not
    propagated by E-S. I neither checked for nor discerned a pattern to >>>>those dropped posts.

    Eternal-September and other servers have started scanning all postings >>originating from Google Groups for spam due to a massive (~20.000 >>articles/day) flood from Google Groups.

    In addition, the mail headers contained in articles to moderated groups >>have a certain "spammieness" about them which caused the articles to be >>rejected by SpamAssassin.

    I have adjusted the spam filter to ignore articles that have been
    approved by a moderator, as it's the moderators' responsibility to
    reject spam.


    That's good to know. Thank you for posting this.


    Since the above, I found several additional posts missing from E-S.
    One of them says much of what I would have said, and as it applies to
    a currently active topic, I have replied to it uncommented.

    ************************************
    From: Lawyer Daggett <j.nobel.daggett@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.origins
    Subject: Re: DNA PROOFREADING AND ?REPAIR MECHANISMS ~ REVISITED
    Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 12:43:09 -0700 (PDT)
    Message-ID: <0e508a5a-0515-4181-a430-f72ec3fe1401n@googlegroups.com> *************************************

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 30 13:34:12 2023
    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 12:41:47 -0500, Don Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 2023-10-15 9:55 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 00:47:42 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 20:41:17 -0500, DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    I'm using both E-S and Solani. Both work fine.


    I totally forgot about Solani. Thank you for pointing it out.

    Some usenet readers are configurable to use multiple servers, and to
    automatically search through them all. If that's your case, it's
    unlikely you would see dropped posts from one or the other. Also,
    since you don't post very often, it's unlikely you would have noticed
    dropped posts even if you did miss any.


    Here's the latest post which did not appear on E-S:

    <0aa38883-900b-4681-9ac6-22ef94b9129an@googlegroups.com>

    <https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/JKnUO3rwKo4/m/GKwxgo48BQAJ>

    Check to see if your newsreader got it.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    I was a long time E-S user but during a serious outage I switched to
    Solani and decided to switch permanently and transfered all my filters
    and other preferences from E-S. For some reason (I don't remember
    exactly what) I decided to check back in with E-S and reestablished its >presence in Thunderbird. I still use Solani with all its settings as my >primary feed but keep E-S with no filtering automatically keeping a
    month's worth of headers available should i become aware of some posts
    that I might be interested in that were filtered out in Solani


    FWIW I found one post missing from Solani but present on E-S.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

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