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  • 40,000 yr/old writing?

    From bruce bowser@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 25 10:47:36 2023
    40,000 yr/old writing? (sci lang repost)

    "There is a surprising degree of similarity in the earliest rock art found all the way from France and Spain to Indonesia and Australia. With many of the same signs appearing in such far-flung places, especially in that 30,000- to 40,000-year range"

    Why did ancient humans paint the same 32 symbols in caves all over Europe?
    NPR - June 7, 2017
    -- https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1134027564

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  • From erik simpson@21:1/5 to bruce bowser on Sat Nov 25 14:46:14 2023
    On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 10:51:50 AM UTC-8, bruce bowser wrote:
    40,000 yr/old writing? (sci lang repost)

    "There is a surprising degree of similarity in the earliest rock art found all the way from France and Spain to Indonesia and Australia. With many of the same signs appearing in such far-flung places, especially in that 30,000- to 40,000-year range"

    Why did ancient humans paint the same 32 symbols in caves all over Europe? NPR - June 7, 2017
    -- https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1134027564
    Fascinating indeed. I wonder which symbols are common to Europe and Australia. Hands, for sure.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?w5bDtiBUaWli?=@21:1/5 to erik simpson on Mon Nov 27 00:13:50 2023
    On Sunday, 26 November 2023 at 00:46:50 UTC+2, erik simpson wrote:
    On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 10:51:50 AM UTC-8, bruce bowser wrote:
    40,000 yr/old writing? (sci lang repost)

    "There is a surprising degree of similarity in the earliest rock art found all the way from France and Spain to Indonesia and Australia. With many of the same signs appearing in such far-flung places, especially in that 30,000- to 40,000-year range"

    Why did ancient humans paint the same 32 symbols in caves all over Europe? NPR - June 7, 2017
    -- https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1134027564

    Fascinating indeed. I wonder which symbols are common to Europe and Australia. Hands, for sure.

    No links to papers, no photos ... just nothing. How does it really work? Why anyone reads
    or listens it? All kind of commercial and/or political enterprises constantly put up lot better
    scams and advertisements of scams. Why does not population gain/train immunity to it?

    Especially when these are empty and primitive bald assertions. We have all seen better
    materials about earth being flat and/or in centre of universe. There are lot better proofs
    that ghosts exist, moon landing was fake, moon is in fact hollow, interstellar aliens visited
    our planet frequently in past etc. etc.


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  • From Pro Plyd@21:1/5 to erik simpson on Tue Nov 28 21:24:01 2023
    erik simpson wrote:
    On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 10:51:50 AM UTC-8, bruce bowser wrote:
    40,000 yr/old writing? (sci lang repost)

    "There is a surprising degree of similarity in the earliest rock art found all the way from France and Spain to Indonesia and Australia. With many of the same signs appearing in such far-flung places, especially in that 30,000- to 40,000-year range"

    Why did ancient humans paint the same 32 symbols in caves all over Europe? >> NPR - June 7, 2017
    -- https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1134027564

    Hmmm, the link has a date of 2022... but most of what I
    googled was of that vintage (her book came out in 2016,
    for example).

    Fascinating indeed. I wonder which symbols are common to Europe and Australia. Hands, for sure.

    I found this

    https://www.scribd.com/document/676092842/Sign-of-Ice-Age

    which is a display of the geometric signs.

    These two links

    <https://www.openculture.com/2019/03/40000-year-old-symbols-found-in-caves-worldwide-may-represent-the-earliest-written-language.html>

    https://cuevadelapileta.blogspot.com/2015/11/why-are-these-32-symbols-found-in.html

    have maps showing (broadly) which symbols have
    been found where.

    Most of what I came across said von Petzinger was
    a grad student at the University of Victoria in
    Canada. It's not clear if she got her PhD or not.
    Has an association with NatGeo

    https://explorer-directory.nationalgeographic.org/genevieve-von-petzinger
    ...
    HISTORY AT NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC
    2016 Emerging Explorer, 2020 Grantee, 2016 Grantee
    ...
    Grant status: Active
    Project start: 2020-05-18
    Project end: 2024-04-26
    Project location: Spain
    ...

    Other than the book not sure what she's published.
    Google scholar shows she's been involved with this
    area since 2005

    https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=QaDkX_UAAAAJ&hl=sv


    Some nice background here, she certainly covered a
    lot of sites!

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/cave-art-ice-age-paleolithic-writing-first-signs

    "Intrigued, von Petzinger expanded her study to all
    of Europe, scouring reports of 367 Upper Paleolithic
    rock art sites from northern Spain to the Ural
    Mountains in Russia."

    This can't really be termed "writing", proto-writing
    seems more appropriate. A couple articles called these
    doodles or emojis.

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