On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 16:49:20 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
.... I thought it might not be him as it seems strange that he would still >> be employed as a lecturer at 80 years of age.
Brain fart - 78 years of age.
I just saw this: https://www.templeshalloranfuneralhome.com/obituary/dr-peter-nyikos
assuming it's genuine (and I have no reason to doubt this) , the details
fit, as does his extended absence from posting. He could be a royal pain
in the backside, but I do hope he now experiences the type of heaven he always hoped for (with a <10% certainty, of course> That the GG version
of TO will survive him by barely a week, before getting archived
forever, is maybe the most fitting memorial imaginable.
On 20/02/2024 17:05, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 16:49:20 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
.... I thought it might not be him as it seems strange that he would still >>> be employed as a lecturer at 80 years of age.
Brain fart - 78 years of age.
77; he would have been 78 next month.
On 2/20/24 8:24 AM, Burkhard wrote:
I just saw this:I am genuinely unhappy to hear this. Peter and I have had many
https://www.templeshalloranfuneralhome.com/obituary/dr-peter-nyikos
assuming it's genuine (and I have no reason to doubt this) , the details
fit, as does his extended absence from posting. He could be a royal pain
in the backside, but I do hope he now experiences the type of heaven he
always hoped for (with a <10% certainty, of course> That the GG version
of TO will survive him by barely a week, before getting archived
forever, is maybe the most fitting memorial imaginable.
rancorous exchanges over the years, but I have over the last year come
to the realization that mutual miscommunication was the cause of most of them. I never found it easy to understand what Peter was "getting at"
in his unique style of writing, but we had many common interests and he
had strong if sometimes eccentric opinions of all of them. i believe he
was committed to the truth as he understood it, and I too hope the God
he wanted to believe in accepts him as he is. I'll miss him.
I just saw this: https://www.templeshalloranfuneralhome.com/obituary/dr-peter-nyikoscertainty, of course> That the GG version of TO will survive him by barely a week, before getting archived forever, is maybe the most fitting memorial imaginable.
assuming it's genuine (and I have no reason to doubt this) , the details fit, as does his extended absence from posting. He could be a royal pain in the backside, but I do hope he now experiences the type of heaven he always hoped for (with a <10%
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 08:24:20 -0800 (PST), Burkhardcertainty, of course> That the GG version of TO will survive him by barely a week, before getting archived forever, is maybe the most fitting memorial imaginable.
<b.schafer@ed.ac.uk> wrote:
I just saw this:
https://www.templeshalloranfuneralhome.com/obituary/dr-peter-nyikos
assuming it's genuine (and I have no reason to doubt this) , the details fit, as does his extended absence from posting. He could be a royal pain in the backside, but I do hope he now experiences the type of heaven he always hoped for (with a <10%
For anybody who might care about such things, the above post is one of
a dozen which Eternal September failed to capture.
--
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On 20/02/2024 17:05, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 16:49:20 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
.... I thought it might not be him as it seems strange that he would
still
be employed as a lecturer at 80 years of age.
Brain fart - 78 years of age.
77; he would have been 78 next month.
On 2/27/24 4:04 PM, RonO wrote:
On 2/20/2024 11:13 AM, Ernest Major wrote:Several people have recently had problems with ES. The paid-for
On 20/02/2024 17:05, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 16:49:20 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
.... I thought it might not be him as it seems strange that he
would still
be employed as a lecturer at 80 years of age.
Brain fart - 78 years of age.
77; he would have been 78 next month.
For some reason my posts are not showing up. I've had trouble just
getting eternal september to open posts. I was updated, and had to
reload TO, but nothing has been working. I posted to the Dirt DNA
thread, but it didn't show up. For the last couple of weeks when I
click on a post it either opens to a blank page or it goes to a bar at
the top of the window and ony a partial post is displayed below. It
is a worthless feature that should have never been implemented. Why
would anyone want to accumulate partial posts in a bar across the top
of the window? Once in a while I can open a post and even respond to
it like I did with the Dirt DNA thread, but it doesn't seem to work.
So this is sort of a test post.
Nyikos had to prevaricate and lie about the Phillip Johnson quote
where Johnson admitted that the ID science didn't exist and that he
had given up on teaching ID in the public schools after the Dover
decision. Nyikos would usually just snip and run from the quote, but
once he put up the lame argument that Johnson could be disregarded
because he was old. Nyikos, at that time, was older than Phillip
Johnson when Johnson had made the quote (Johnson had been 65 years
old). So Nyikos claimed that he was old enough so that his opinions
could be disregarded. A true TO tale.
Ron Okimoto
newsreaders are probably more reliable.
On 2/27/24 6:54 AM, John Harshman wrote:
On 2/27/24 5:06 AM, Ernest Major wrote:I still see Burkhard's post, as well as MarkE's, but I'm paying for it.
On 27/02/2024 12:29, jillery wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 08:24:20 -0800 (PST), Burkhard
<b.schafer@ed.ac.uk> wrote:
I just saw this:
https://www.templeshalloranfuneralhome.com/obituary/dr-peter-nyikos
assuming it's genuine (and I have no reason to doubt this) , the
details fit, as does his extended absence from posting. He could be
a royal pain in the backside, but I do hope he now experiences the
type of heaven he always hoped for (with a <10% certainty, of
course> That the GG version of TO will survive him by barely a
week, before getting archived forever, is maybe the most fitting
memorial imaginable.
For anybody who might care about such things, the above post is one of >>>> a dozen which Eternal September failed to capture.
It did have it originally, but has since disappeared ("expired"). The
same happened to a couple of posts from MarkE.
Well, you have to admit that "expired" is appropriate in this case.
On 2/27/24 5:06 AM, Ernest Major wrote:
On 27/02/2024 12:29, jillery wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 08:24:20 -0800 (PST), Burkhard
<b.schafer@ed.ac.uk> wrote:
I just saw this:
https://www.templeshalloranfuneralhome.com/obituary/dr-peter-nyikos
assuming it's genuine (and I have no reason to doubt this) , the
details fit, as does his extended absence from posting. He could be a
royal pain in the backside, but I do hope he now experiences the type
of heaven he always hoped for (with a <10% certainty, of course>
That the GG version of TO will survive him by barely a week, before >>>> getting archived forever, is maybe the most fitting memorial imaginable. >>>
For anybody who might care about such things, the above post is one of
a dozen which Eternal September failed to capture.
It did have it originally, but has since disappeared ("expired"). The
same happened to a couple of posts from MarkE.
Well, you have to admit that "expired" is appropriate in this case.
On 2/20/24 8:24 AM, Burkhard wrote:
I just saw this:I am genuinely unhappy to hear this. Peter and I have had many
https://www.templeshalloranfuneralhome.com/obituary/dr-peter-nyikos
assuming it's genuine (and I have no reason to doubt this) , the details
fit, as does his extended absence from posting. He could be a royal pain
in the backside, but I do hope he now experiences the type of heaven he
always hoped for (with a <10% certainty, of course> That the GG version
of TO will survive him by barely a week, before getting archived
forever, is maybe the most fitting memorial imaginable.
rancorous exchanges over the years, but I have over the last year come
to the realization that mutual miscommunication was the cause of most of them. I never found it easy to understand what Peter was "getting at"
in his unique style of writing, but we had many common interests and he
had strong if sometimes eccentric opinions of all of them. i believe he
was committed to the truth as he understood it, and I too hope the God
he wanted to believe in accepts him as he is. I'll miss him.
Burkhard <b.schafer@ed.ac.uk> wrote:rofile_cv/nyikos_peter_cv.pdf
I just saw this: https://www.templeshalloranfuneralhome.com/obituary/dr-peter-nyikos
assuming it's genuine (and I have no reason to doubt this) , the details fit, as does his extended absence from posting. He could be a royal pain
in the backside, but I do hope he now experiences the type of heaven he always hoped for (with a <10% certainty, of course> That the GG version
of TO will survive him by barely a week, before getting archived
forever, is maybe the most fitting memorial imaginable.
The birthdate in the death notice matches his CV: https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/artsandsciences/mathematics/our_people/p
opened, and often the posts would go straight to that bar across the
top of the window and only a partial post would be displayed below. I
John Harshman<john.harshman@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/27/24 5:06 AM, Ernest Major wrote:
On 27/02/2024 12:29, jillery wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 08:24:20 -0800 (PST), Burkhard
<b.schafer@ed.ac.uk> wrote:
I just saw this: https://www.templeshalloranfuneralhome.com/obituary/dr-peter-nyikos
assuming it's genuine (and I have no reason to doubt this) , the details fit, as does his extended absence from posting. He could be a royal pain in the backside, but I do hope he now experiences the type of heaven he always hoped for (with a <10% certainty, of course>
That the GG version of TO will survive him by barely a week, before getting archived forever, is maybe the most fitting memorial imaginable.
For anybody who might care about such things, the above post is one of a dozen which Eternal September failed to capture.
It did have it originally, but has since disappeared ("expired"). The same happened to a couple of posts from MarkE.
Well, you have to admit that "expired" is appropriate in this case.Still too soon.
On 2/20/2024 11:13 AM, Ernest Major wrote:
On 20/02/2024 17:05, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 16:49:20 +0000, Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
.... I thought it might not be him as it seems strange that he would still
be employed as a lecturer at 80 years of age.
Brain fart - 78 years of age.
77; he would have been 78 next month.
For some reason my posts are not showing up. I've had trouble just
getting eternal september to open posts. I was updated, and had to
reload TO, but nothing has been working. I posted to the Dirt DNA
thread, but it didn't show up. For the last couple of weeks when I
click on a post it either opens to a blank page or it goes to a bar at
the top of the window and ony a partial post is displayed below. It is
a worthless feature that should have never been implemented. Why would
anyone want to accumulate partial posts in a bar across the top of the window? Once in a while I can open a post and even respond to it like I
did with the Dirt DNA thread, but it doesn't seem to work.
So this is sort of a test post.
Nyikos had to prevaricate and lie about the Phillip Johnson quote where Johnson admitted that the ID science didn't exist and that he had given
up on teaching ID in the public schools after the Dover decision.
Nyikos would usually just snip and run from the quote, but once he put
up the lame argument that Johnson could be disregarded because he was
old. Nyikos, at that time, was older than Phillip Johnson when Johnson
had made the quote (Johnson had been 65 years old). So Nyikos claimed
that he was old enough so that his opinions could be disregarded. A
true TO tale.
Ron Okimoto
On 2/28/24 4:25 AM, WolfFan wrote:
On Feb 27, 2024, RonO wroteAny software has some issues, Thunderbird included. It does what it
(in article <urltam$3fj4a$1@dont-email.me>):
On 2/20/2024 11:13 AM, Ernest Major wrote:
On 20/02/2024 17:05, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 16:49:20 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
.... I thought it might not be him as it seems strange that he would >>>>>> still
be employed as a lecturer at 80 years of age.
Brain fart - 78 years of age.
77; he would have been 78 next month.
For some reason my posts are not showing up. I've had trouble just
getting eternal september to open posts. I was updated, and had to
reload TO, but nothing has been working. I posted to the Dirt DNA
thread, but it didn't show up. For the last couple of weeks when I
click on a post it either opens to a blank page or it goes to a bar at
the top of the window and ony a partial post is displayed below. It is
a worthless feature that should have never been implemented. Why would
anyone want to accumulate partial posts in a bar across the top of the
window? Once in a while I can open a post and even respond to it like I
did with the Dirt DNA thread, but it doesn't seem to work.
you seem to be using Thunderbird. Thunderbird is a mail client which can be >> used to read usenet. Thunderbird has... issues. I would try a dedicated
newsreader if I were you.
So this is sort of a test post.
Nyikos had to prevaricate and lie about the Phillip Johnson quote where
Johnson admitted that the ID science didn't exist and that he had given
up on teaching ID in the public schools after the Dover decision.
Nyikos would usually just snip and run from the quote, but once he put
up the lame argument that Johnson could be disregarded because he was
old. Nyikos, at that time, was older than Phillip Johnson when Johnson
had made the quote (Johnson had been 65 years old). So Nyikos claimed
that he was old enough so that his opinions could be disregarded. A
true TO tale.
Ron Okimoto
does, but it does fine for me. I've been using it for reading email for
many years.
On 2/28/24 12:31 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:e/p
*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
Burkhard <b.schafer@ed.ac.uk> wrote:
I just saw this:The birthdate in the death notice matches his CV:
https://www.templeshalloranfuneralhome.com/obituary/dr-peter-nyikos
assuming it's genuine (and I have no reason to doubt this) , the details >>> fit, as does his extended absence from posting. He could be a royal pain >>> in the backside, but I do hope he now experiences the type of heaven he >>> always hoped for (with a <10% certainty, of course> That the GG version >>> of TO will survive him by barely a week, before getting archived
forever, is maybe the most fitting memorial imaginable.
https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/artsandsciences/mathematics/our_peopl
rofile_cv/nyikos_peter_cv.pdf
No surprise here:
He was the kind of mathematician I would have expected.
Jan
It's a pretty obscure corner of math.
A mathematician friend many years
ago told me that if I ever find myself having doubts about the validity
of arithmetic, I should consult either a psychiatrist or a point-set topologist. He further suggested that going to the psychiatrist first
would just save time.
On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 18:04:38 -0600, RonO <rokimoto@cox.net> wrote:
I posted to the Dirt DNA thread, but it didn't show up.
If you still have a copy of what you posted, I would be very
interested to read it. Repost?
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 14:11:14 -0600, RonO <rokimoto@cox.net> wrote:
On 2/28/2024 9:53 PM, jillery wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 18:04:38 -0600, RonO <rokimoto@cox.net> wrote:
I posted to the Dirt DNA thread, but it didn't show up.
If you still have a copy of what you posted, I would be very
interested to read it. Repost?
It was about the limitations of the technology. The paper that you put
up was using PCR to amplify the DNA before sequencing. You can only
amplify short pieces because the DNA is degraded, and you need to either
know the sequence of what you are amplifying or you have to try to find
some highly conserved sequences in which to amplify, but Highly
conserved sequence, is highly conserved and you will only be able to
identify species that are distantly enough related to have a different
sequence that can be identified using that primer set. You also have to
deal with the degraded DNA sequence and things like the deamination of
cytosines over time.
Success will be limited to how long the surviving DNA fragments are in
the soil samples.
We have tech that will sequence short fragments without PCR
amplification, but at this time the sequence error rates are high 10 to
20% can be erroneous calls for nanopore sequencing, so they aren't much
good at identifying specific short fragments to specific species. What
we need to develop to make biome sequencing really useful is a highly
accurate means of sequencing the short fragments that survive in the
soil samples. It might be possible with current short read technology,
but they haven't been trying it. You need to ligate sequence tags to
the ends of the fragments (PCR can be used to do a little amplification)
and then sequence the mess, but that isn't what they are doing.
This may be due to the fact that most of the DNA that they find in these
types of samples is from bacteria and fungi.
Ron Okimoto
IIUC you're saying the paper's claims are false, that their evidence
doesn't support the claim of identifying biomes full ancient species
from DNA collected from dirt.
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
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