• Re: Drake's equation

    From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 8 15:52:44 2024
    On Wed, 8 May 2024 14:59:33 -0700, the following appeared in
    talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com>:

    On 5/8/24 1:53 PM, vallor wrote:
    On Wed, 8 May 2024 15:22:27 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in
    <v1gjdj$4nbk$3@dont-email.me>:

    jillery wrote:

    [...]

    And so we have arrived at the point where JTEM
    can't abide _any_ discussion from jillery.

    Rather than (fail to) argue about the semantics
    of "paradox", maybe one could discuss the merits
    of Drake's equation?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation#Equation

    Be aware that JTEM doesn't abide any discussion worth having.

    Nope, Clip-n-Snark is about it.

    That said, it's been noted that all the terms in the Drake
    Equation beyond the third are sheer conjecture based on zero
    evidence; IOW, WAGs, not even SWAGs.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From Athel Cornish-Bowden@21:1/5 to Bob Casanova on Thu May 9 08:46:11 2024
    On 2024-05-08 22:52:44 +0000, Bob Casanova said:

    On Wed, 8 May 2024 14:59:33 -0700, the following appeared in
    talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com>:

    On 5/8/24 1:53 PM, vallor wrote:
    On Wed, 8 May 2024 15:22:27 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in
    <v1gjdj$4nbk$3@dont-email.me>:

    jillery wrote:

    [...]

    And so we have arrived at the point where JTEM
    can't abide _any_ discussion from jillery.

    Rather than (fail to) argue about the semantics
    of "paradox", maybe one could discuss the merits
    of Drake's equation?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation#Equation

    Be aware that JTEM doesn't abide any discussion worth having.

    Nope, Clip-n-Snark is about it.

    That said, it's been noted that all the terms in the Drake
    Equation beyond the third are sheer conjecture based on zero
    evidence; IOW, WAGs, not even SWAGs.

    You took the words out of my mouth. The Drake equation is pure
    speculation, not remotely scientific.

    --
    Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
    in England until 1987.

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 9 08:12:22 2024
    On Thu, 9 May 2024 08:46:11 +0200, the following appeared in
    talk.origins, posted by Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com>:

    On 2024-05-08 22:52:44 +0000, Bob Casanova said:

    On Wed, 8 May 2024 14:59:33 -0700, the following appeared in
    talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com>:

    On 5/8/24 1:53 PM, vallor wrote:
    On Wed, 8 May 2024 15:22:27 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in
    <v1gjdj$4nbk$3@dont-email.me>:

    jillery wrote:

    [...]

    And so we have arrived at the point where JTEM
    can't abide _any_ discussion from jillery.

    Rather than (fail to) argue about the semantics
    of "paradox", maybe one could discuss the merits
    of Drake's equation?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation#Equation

    Be aware that JTEM doesn't abide any discussion worth having.

    Nope, Clip-n-Snark is about it.

    That said, it's been noted that all the terms in the Drake
    Equation beyond the third are sheer conjecture based on zero
    evidence; IOW, WAGs, not even SWAGs.

    You took the words out of my mouth. The Drake equation is pure
    speculation, not remotely scientific.

    Agreed. To be fair, however, I believe it was generated as a
    basis for discussion, and was never intended (by Drake) to
    be rigorous. Those who quote it as semi-gospel (IIRC we had
    a rather loud one here a while ago) lost track of that or
    simply ignored it to advance a personal agenda.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 9 15:10:50 2024
    On Thu, 9 May 2024 10:12:52 -0700, the following appeared in
    talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com>:

    On 5/9/24 8:12 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
    On Thu, 9 May 2024 08:46:11 +0200, the following appeared in
    talk.origins, posted by Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com>:

    On 2024-05-08 22:52:44 +0000, Bob Casanova said:

    On Wed, 8 May 2024 14:59:33 -0700, the following appeared in
    talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com>:

    On 5/8/24 1:53 PM, vallor wrote:
    On Wed, 8 May 2024 15:22:27 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in >>>>>> <v1gjdj$4nbk$3@dont-email.me>:

    jillery wrote:

    [...]

    And so we have arrived at the point where JTEM
    can't abide _any_ discussion from jillery.

    Rather than (fail to) argue about the semantics
    of "paradox", maybe one could discuss the merits
    of Drake's equation?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation#Equation

    Be aware that JTEM doesn't abide any discussion worth having.

    Nope, Clip-n-Snark is about it.

    That said, it's been noted that all the terms in the Drake
    Equation beyond the third are sheer conjecture based on zero
    evidence; IOW, WAGs, not even SWAGs.

    You took the words out of my mouth. The Drake equation is pure
    speculation, not remotely scientific.

    Agreed. To be fair, however, I believe it was generated as a
    basis for discussion, and was never intended (by Drake) to
    be rigorous. Those who quote it as semi-gospel (IIRC we had
    a rather loud one here a while ago) lost track of that or
    simply ignored it to advance a personal agenda.

    Exactly. I knew Frank and talked with him about it. The point was to >identify what we knew and didn't know, and suggest where future efforts
    ought to be concentrated. Back then (early 70s) we knew significantly
    less than we do now, but what we don't know continues to dominate.
    "Pure speculation" isn't the case.

    I misspoke on that; what I meant, and should have said (as I
    have in the past) was that the True Believers who assign
    numerical values to terms past the 3rd, not the terms
    themselves, are engaging in pure speculation. The terms
    themselves are merely "talking points", as you note. Mea
    culpa.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to jillery on Wed May 15 11:13:20 2024
    On Wed, 15 May 2024 04:54:18 -0400
    jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 May 2024 01:19:16 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> trolled:

    jillery wrote:

    JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> trolled:

    What could a REASONABLE person REASONABLY expect to result
    from your post here?

    You have an UN-reasonable understanding of what is reasonable.

    You're mentally unhinged. You invited a negative response
    and then used that negative response to "Prove" that you're
    attacked for no reason.


    You're describing the person you see in a mirror.


    I thought you were against people here posting personal attacks?


    That's pretty fucked up, but also pretty typical of a lot
    of narcissists.


    You're here to hide from your stupidity. You're here to
    present yourself, to you, as someone who isn't a mental
    invalid, and I get in the way of that fantasy.

    Yeah, I get that a lot from willfully stupid trolls.

    So your parents ARE still alive! That's really nice for
    them. Almost makes up for having you...almost.


    Your momma.


    If you think (as I do) there's no sense to JTEM's posts, then it seems
    to me counter-productive to stoop to replying; especially in kind.




    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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