It isn't any longer now, that much I can tell you - though we braced the
cold and went for a swim yesterday. Not exactly Skye, though we can see
it from where we are (Malaig)
On 2024-07-24 15:00, burkhard wrote:
It isn't any longer now, that much I can tell you - though we braced the
cold and went for a swim yesterday. Not exactly Skye, though we can see
it from where we are (Malaig)
I envy you. It was 37° C here yesterday.
On 7/24/24 4:20 PM, erik simpson wrote:
On 7/24/24 3:52 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:You underestimate the abilities of some people to deny. Incidentally,
On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:35:12 -0600, the following appearedWhen it gets to that in Skye, global warming won't be deniable by anybody. >>
in talk.origins, posted by André G. Isaak
<agisaak@gm.invalid>:
On 2024-07-24 15:00, burkhard wrote:Oooh, a low-temp sauna! ;-)
It isn't any longer now, that much I can tell you - though we braced >>>>> the
cold and went for a swim yesterday. Not exactly Skye, though we can see >>>>> it from where we are (Malaig)
I envy you. It was 37° C here yesterday.
It's varied form 42C to 47C (daytime highs) here this month,
with dew points from -5C to 23C. A "dry heat" it's not, at
this time of year. :-(
Sunday and Monday were the two hottest days in recorded history (world >average).
On 7/24/24 3:52 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:35:12 -0600, the following appearedWhen it gets to that in Skye, global warming won't be deniable by anybody.
in talk.origins, posted by André G. Isaak
<agisaak@gm.invalid>:
On 2024-07-24 15:00, burkhard wrote:Oooh, a low-temp sauna! ;-)
It isn't any longer now, that much I can tell you - though we braced the >>>> cold and went for a swim yesterday. Not exactly Skye, though we can see >>>> it from where we are (Malaig)
I envy you. It was 37° C here yesterday.
It's varied form 42C to 47C (daytime highs) here this month,
with dew points from -5C to 23C. A "dry heat" it's not, at
this time of year. :-(
On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:35:12 -0600, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by André G. Isaak
<agisaak@gm.invalid>:
On 2024-07-24 15:00, burkhard wrote:Oooh, a low-temp sauna! ;-)
It isn't any longer now, that much I can tell you - though we braced the >>> cold and went for a swim yesterday. Not exactly Skye, though we can see
it from where we are (Malaig)
I envy you. It was 37° C here yesterday.
It's varied form 42C to 47C (daytime highs) here this month,
with dew points from -5C to 23C. A "dry heat" it's not, at
this time of year. :-(
On 7/24/24 3:52 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:35:12 -0600, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by André G. Isaak
<agisaak@gm.invalid>:
On 2024-07-24 15:00, burkhard wrote:Oooh, a low-temp sauna! ;-)
It isn't any longer now, that much I can tell you - though we braced the >>> cold and went for a swim yesterday. Not exactly Skye, though we can see >>> it from where we are (Malaig)
I envy you. It was 37° C here yesterday.
It's varied form 42C to 47C (daytime highs) here this month,When it gets to that in Skye, global warming won't be deniable by anybody.
with dew points from -5C to 23C. A "dry heat" it's not, at
this time of year. :-(
On 7/25/24 6:47 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/24/24 3:52 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:35:12 -0600, the following appearedWhen it gets to that in Skye, global warming won't be deniable by anybody.
in talk.origins, posted by André G. Isaak
<agisaak@gm.invalid>:
On 2024-07-24 15:00, burkhard wrote:Oooh, a low-temp sauna! ;-)
It isn't any longer now, that much I can tell you - though we braced the
cold and went for a swim yesterday. Not exactly Skye, though we can see >>>>> it from where we are (Malaig)
I envy you. It was 37° C here yesterday.
It's varied form 42C to 47C (daytime highs) here this month,
with dew points from -5C to 23C. A "dry heat" it's not, at
this time of year. :-(
It may well get much colder than that, with the Gulf Stream stopping.
Since the warming farther south won't stop the weather will get fiercer. You'll be getting cold and tropical storms...
Jan
"World averages" require some work and thought. Almost any local
changes could be greater or less, depending on many things. The
collapse of circulation patterns in the north Atlantic would probably
make things in northern Europe cooler.
I live in Toronto, where the smoke was nowhere near as bad as in, say,
NY or DC.
But I coughed a lot that summer, and so far not this summer.
The only compensation was a beautiful blood-red moon.
And in the past 24hourse we've lost most of another town, the resort of Jasper.
erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/24/24 3:52 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:35:12 -0600, the following appearedWhen it gets to that in Skye, global warming won't be deniable by anybody.
in talk.origins, posted by André G. Isaak
<agisaak@gm.invalid>:
On 2024-07-24 15:00, burkhard wrote:Oooh, a low-temp sauna! ;-)
It isn't any longer now, that much I can tell you - though we braced the >>>>> cold and went for a swim yesterday. Not exactly Skye, though we can see >>>>> it from where we are (Malaig)
I envy you. It was 37° C here yesterday.
It's varied form 42C to 47C (daytime highs) here this month,
with dew points from -5C to 23C. A "dry heat" it's not, at
this time of year. :-(
It may well get much colder than that, with the Gulf Stream stopping.
Since the warming farther south won't stop the weather will get fiercer. You'll be getting cold and tropical storms...
Jan
On 7/25/24 2:06 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2024-07-24 22:52:47 +0000, Bob Casanova said:
On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:35:12 -0600, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by André G. Isaak
<agisaak@gm.invalid>:
On 2024-07-24 15:00, burkhard wrote:Oooh, a low-temp sauna! ;-)
It isn't any longer now, that much I can tell you - though we braced >>>> the
cold and went for a swim yesterday. Not exactly Skye, though we can see >>>> it from where we are (Malaig)
I envy you. It was 37° C here yesterday.
It's varied form 42C to 47C (daytime highs) here this month,
with dew points from -5C to 23C. A "dry heat" it's not, at
this time of year. :-(
They've been predicting 33-35° for us for days, but it's never been that hot on our balcony -- maybe 31° maximum.
A friend of mine was injured in Italy and spend more time the he wanted
in a hospital there. He complained about the lack of air conditioning
even there. I've heard that France is also air conditioner deficient.
Is that your experience?
erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/25/24 2:06 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2024-07-24 22:52:47 +0000, Bob Casanova said:A friend of mine was injured in Italy and spend more time the he wanted
On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:35:12 -0600, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by André G. Isaak
<agisaak@gm.invalid>:
On 2024-07-24 15:00, burkhard wrote:Oooh, a low-temp sauna! ;-)
It isn't any longer now, that much I can tell you - though we braced
the
cold and went for a swim yesterday. Not exactly Skye, though we can see >> >>>> it from where we are (Malaig)
I envy you. It was 37° C here yesterday.
It's varied form 42C to 47C (daytime highs) here this month,
with dew points from -5C to 23C. A "dry heat" it's not, at
this time of year. :-(
They've been predicting 33-35° for us for days, but it's never been that >> > hot on our balcony -- maybe 31° maximum.
in a hospital there. He complained about the lack of air conditioning
even there. I've heard that France is also air conditioner deficient.
Is that your experience?
Softies, you Americans,
Bob Casanova wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:41:41 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by John Harshman
<john.harshman@gmail.com>:
On 7/24/24 4:20 PM, erik simpson wrote:"Recorded history" dating back...200 years?
On 7/24/24 3:52 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:You underestimate the abilities of some people to deny. Incidentally,
On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:35:12 -0600, the following appearedWhen it gets to that in Skye, global warming won't be deniable by anybody. >>>>
in talk.origins, posted by André G. Isaak
<agisaak@gm.invalid>:
On 2024-07-24 15:00, burkhard wrote:Oooh, a low-temp sauna! ;-)
It isn't any longer now, that much I can tell you - though we braced >>>>>>> the
cold and went for a swim yesterday. Not exactly Skye, though we can see >>>>>>> it from where we are (Malaig)
I envy you. It was 37° C here yesterday.
It's varied form 42C to 47C (daytime highs) here this month,
with dew points from -5C to 23C. A "dry heat" it's not, at
this time of year. :-(
Sunday and Monday were the two hottest days in recorded history (world
average).
The instrumental record does not go back that far in the sense of global >coverage, though isolated areas do have longer records - but there is
then the question of accuracy, reliability, and so forth.
We know the world is much warmer than in 1824 from a mass of data, but >temperature records form a small part of this.
In later times when we have more measurements, but still not global
coverage, a lot can be done with statistical methods, but the fewer and
worse distributed the observations, the larger the error bars.
How far in the past we have a global temperature estimate accurate to
within .2C is a question to which I don't have an answer. I would
suspect no less than 50 years or so, and possibly a hundred.
The good news for me is that this summer I'm not coughing up bits of
tree. Of course, that is largely because so much of the susceptible
area is still ash from last year. But I'll take all the small victories
I can get.
On Sat, 27 Jul 2024 11:44:14 +0200, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder):
erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/25/24 2:06 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2024-07-24 22:52:47 +0000, Bob Casanova said:that > hot on our balcony -- maybe 31° maximum. > > A friend of mine
On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:35:12 -0600, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by André G. Isaak
<agisaak@gm.invalid>:
On 2024-07-24 15:00, burkhard wrote:Oooh, a low-temp sauna! ;-)
It isn't any longer now, that much I can tell you - though we braced >> >>>> the
cold and went for a swim yesterday. Not exactly Skye, though we
can see it from where we are (Malaig)
I envy you. It was 37° C here yesterday.
It's varied form 42C to 47C (daytime highs) here this month,
with dew points from -5C to 23C. A "dry heat" it's not, at
this time of year. :-(
They've been predicting 33-35° for us for days, but it's never been
was injured in Italy and spend more time the he wanted in a hospital
there. He complained about the lack of air conditioning even there.
I've heard that France is also air conditioner deficient.
Is that your experience?
Softies, you Americans,
I suspect that if the Netherlands had the climate which is
normal here in many places you'd be a "softy" too. Come to
Phoenix in July and go without AC for a few weeks, then
repeat that.
Why be intentionally uncomfortable?
Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2024 11:44:14 +0200, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder):
erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:I suspect that if the Netherlands had the climate which is
On 7/25/24 2:06 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2024-07-24 22:52:47 +0000, Bob Casanova said:that > hot on our balcony -- maybe 31° maximum. > > A friend of mine
On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:35:12 -0600, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by André G. Isaak
<agisaak@gm.invalid>:
On 2024-07-24 15:00, burkhard wrote:Oooh, a low-temp sauna! ;-)
It isn't any longer now, that much I can tell you - though we braced >> >> >>>> the
cold and went for a swim yesterday. Not exactly Skye, though we
can see it from where we are (Malaig)
I envy you. It was 37° C here yesterday.
It's varied form 42C to 47C (daytime highs) here this month,
with dew points from -5C to 23C. A "dry heat" it's not, at
this time of year. :-(
They've been predicting 33-35° for us for days, but it's never been
was injured in Italy and spend more time the he wanted in a hospital
there. He complained about the lack of air conditioning even there.
I've heard that France is also air conditioner deficient.
Is that your experience?
Softies, you Americans,
normal here in many places you'd be a "softy" too. Come to
Phoenix in July and go without AC for a few weeks, then
repeat that.
There you go again. It was Italy and France that we were talking about.
Why be intentionally uncomfortable?
Burning coal to feed air conditioners to combat global warming
is of course the way to go,
On 2024-07-27 21:11:56 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2024 11:44:14 +0200, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder):
erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:I suspect that if the Netherlands had the climate which is
On 7/25/24 2:06 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2024-07-24 22:52:47 +0000, Bob Casanova said:Is that your experience?
On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:35:12 -0600, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by André G. Isaak
<agisaak@gm.invalid>:
On 2024-07-24 15:00, burkhard wrote:Oooh, a low-temp sauna! ;-)
It isn't any longer now, that much I can tell you - though we braced >>>>>>>> the
cold and went for a swim yesterday. Not exactly Skye, though we >>>>>>>> can see it from where we are (Malaig)
I envy you. It was 37° C here yesterday.
It's varied form 42C to 47C (daytime highs) here this month,
with dew points from -5C to 23C. A "dry heat" it's not, at
this time of year. :-(
They've been predicting 33-35° for us for days, but it's never been >>>> that > hot on our balcony -- maybe 31° maximum. > > A friend of mine >>>> was injured in Italy and spend more time the he wanted in a hospital >>>> there. He complained about the lack of air conditioning even there. >>>> I've heard that France is also air conditioner deficient.
Softies, you Americans,
normal here in many places you'd be a "softy" too. Come to
Phoenix in July and go without AC for a few weeks, then
repeat that.
There you go again. It was Italy and France that we were talking about.
Why be intentionally uncomfortable?
Burning coal to feed air conditioners to combat global warming
is of course the way to go,
I can't find a reference to it now, but my recollection (possibly quite wrong) is that in the 1930s there was a major exhibition in London
where the buildings were heated with a giant heat exhanger driven by
the flow of the Thames: no burning involved, even indirectly.
Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2024 11:44:14 +0200, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder):
erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:I suspect that if the Netherlands had the climate which is
On 7/25/24 2:06 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2024-07-24 22:52:47 +0000, Bob Casanova said:that > hot on our balcony -- maybe 31° maximum. > > A friend of mine
On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:35:12 -0600, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by André G. Isaak
<agisaak@gm.invalid>:
On 2024-07-24 15:00, burkhard wrote:Oooh, a low-temp sauna! ;-)
It isn't any longer now, that much I can tell you - though we braced >>>>>>>> the
cold and went for a swim yesterday. Not exactly Skye, though we >>>>>>>> can see it from where we are (Malaig)
I envy you. It was 37° C here yesterday.
It's varied form 42C to 47C (daytime highs) here this month,
with dew points from -5C to 23C. A "dry heat" it's not, at
this time of year. :-(
They've been predicting 33-35° for us for days, but it's never been
was injured in Italy and spend more time the he wanted in a hospital
there. He complained about the lack of air conditioning even there.
I've heard that France is also air conditioner deficient.
Is that your experience?
Softies, you Americans,
normal here in many places you'd be a "softy" too. Come to
Phoenix in July and go without AC for a few weeks, then
repeat that.
There you go again. It was Italy and France that we were talking about.
Why be intentionally uncomfortable?
Burning coal to feed air conditioners to combat global warming
is of course the way to go,
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